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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I just bought a 32GB Micro SD card off Newegg. Do I only have to turn the phone off, copy the data off of the 16GB card it came with on my computer and then copy that over to the 32GB and put that in and it work normally or is there more I need to do?

Never changed out the card on my Bionic before.

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Technically, you can unmount the 16 GB card via settings --> storage (scroll to the bottom), and then do as you thought of doing.

A suggestion, though. Perform a full format on the new card first. Also, just to be safe, go ahead and power down instead of unmounting.

That's how i did mine.
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I just swapped in an SD card on my phone using John's method last night to copy some files from a different phone, so you *can* do it with the phone running. However, in order to minimize the potential of forgetting to unmount before you pull the card, if I ever do this I'm usually less lazy and power down and then back up.
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Oh I will definately power down. I don't like taking the back off unless it's off.

But when you say format, do you mean doing this with the card in the computer or can the Bionic format it?
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Computer. And make sure it is a full format.

I'm talking about the NEW card not the one you pull out of your BIONIC.
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Computer. And make sure it is a full format.

I'm talking about the NEW card not the one you pull out of your BIONIC.
LOL yes I assumed you meant the new one

Is there any particular format I should use? NTFS? Or is FAT32 the only option?
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LOL yes I assumed you meant the new one

Is there any particular format I should use? NTFS? Or is FAT32 the only option?
FAT32 for sure.

Honestly, I think that if the card is going to be in the phone, you are far better off formatting it on the phone (settings->storage; unmount the SD card and then format it.)
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Well thank you both. That's very helpful Now I feel better about swapping the cards out.
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FAT32 for sure.

Honestly, I think that if the card is going to be in the phone, you are far better off formatting it on the phone (settings->storage; unmount the SD card and then format it.)
Disagree. here is why.

The phone will format the same FAT system as you can with your computer - but on your computer, you'll be able to monitor the process. I formatted my 16 GB SDCard on my D1 when it started giving me issues - it took 3 format attempts before it completed without an error.

A full format via Windows takes a very long time, but it is worth it in the long run - it will help spot a fake card before you start using it, for one (although I'd pretty much trust NewEgg) and also, doing it on the computer means that the phone is still usable until the format is complete, making for a lot less down time.

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Plus, you have to remove the card again anyway, b/c the data on the old card is copied to the computer, and then you'll copy it from the computer to the new card.
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Disagree. here is why.

The phone will format the same FAT system as you can with your computer - but on your computer, you'll be able to monitor the process. I formatted my 16 GB SDCard on my D1 when it started giving me issues - it took 3 format attempts before it completed without an error.

A full format via Windows takes a very long time, but it is worth it in the long run - it will help spot a fake card before you start using it, for one (although I'd pretty much trust NewEgg) and also, doing it on the computer means that the phone is still usable until the format is complete, making for a lot less down time.



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Plus, you have to remove the card again anyway, b/c the data on the old card is copied to the computer, and then you'll copy it from the computer to the new card.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I didn't think of that.
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I haven't done one ... about how long (ballpark) does it take to do a full format of a 32GB card?

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IIRc, a full format to FAT32 on my 32GB card took around 75 minutes....
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IIRc, a full format to FAT32 on my 32GB card took around 75 minutes....
LOL That scares me considering I'm about to build a new desktop tower and have two 2TB drives coming. I hope that doesn't mean those will take hours to format
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the 2 TB drives will take a while, but they are a lot faster when you use the Windows Install disc to format them.
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Be safe, transfer your files to your computer, shut the phone down, insert the new sd card, reformat the new card using the built android utility to do so, then move your files from your hardrive to your new sdcard.

This part is tricky...

If you have gigs of music, use "Wifi Pro" to transfer your music, not through the usb cable. Everytime I use an usb cable my mp3s have gotten corrupted...

Should you choose to use wifi pro, only tranfer songs about a 75 (Give or take) to your phone at one time. Transferring music for me is like pulling teeth! (Pulls hair and screams!lol)

P.S. A 64 gig card will work in your phone, should you ever buy one. You would have to follow the procedure I outlined above. I always format a new card with the phone, not a computer.
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Be safe, transfer your files to your computer, shut the phone down, insert the new sd card, reformat the new card using the built android utility to do so, then move your files from your hardrive to your new sdcard.

This part is tricky...

If you have gigs of music, use "Wifi Pro" to transfer your music, not through the usb cable. Everytime I use an usb cable my mp3s have gotten corrupted...

Should you choose to use wifi pro, only tranfer songs about a 75 (Give or take) to your phone at one time. Transferring music for me is like pulling teeth! (Pulls hair and screams!lol)

P.S. A 64 gig card will work in your phone, should you ever buy one. You would have to follow the procedure I outlined above. I always format a new card with the phone, not a computer.
Why not use Google music then no MP3 corruption
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You mean like a cloud drive? I already use amazon.

Besides, I'm so addicted to music that I have it on an sd card and a cloud drive.

Music was the ONLY reason I ever got into computers and the internet to begin with.
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Be safe, transfer your files to your computer, shut the phone down, insert the new sd card, reformat the new card using the built android utility to do so, then move your files from your hardrive to your new sdcard.

This part is tricky...

If you have gigs of music, use "Wifi Pro" to transfer your music, not through the usb cable. Everytime I use an usb cable my mp3s have gotten corrupted...

Should you choose to use wifi pro, only tranfer songs about a 75 (Give or take) to your phone at one time. Transferring music for me is like pulling teeth! (Pulls hair and screams!lol)

P.S. A 64 gig card will work in your phone, should you ever buy one. You would have to follow the procedure I outlined above. I always format a new card with the phone, not a computer.
Actually I just pulled the 16GB SD card and put it in my laptops card reader (phone was off) and copied it all off and then out the 32GB in the card reader and copied it back to that. Also put on my music while it was in the card reader.
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Exactly. If you can format the SDCard on your computer, you can copy the date from the card to the computer and from the computer back to the new card without using your phone.

Transferring over wireless will be slower than direct physical transfer. For someone upgrading a 16 GB SDCard to a 32 GB SDCard, it's a pretty good bet that they have a god bit of data that needs transferring.

Glad you got it all working, WK.
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Exactly. If you can format the SDCard on your computer, you can copy the date from the card to the computer and from the computer back to the new card without using your phone.

Transferring over wireless will be slower than direct physical transfer. For someone upgrading a 16 GB SDCard to a 32 GB SDCard, it's a pretty good bet that they have a god bit of data that needs transferring.

Glad you got it all working, WK.
Windows has always had a way of corrupting some of my mp3's and ubuntu linix is slow.

Wireless was my only option because I have close to 30 gigs of music. Maybe it's just my computers, but transferring gigs of music for me is like pulling teeth.

This also happend on another newer xp I had.

This is just my personal experience. Maybe people only have a gig or two of music, which I could get away with, doing it wirelessly (Just in my personal experience) really wasn't that much slower and my files never got corrupted using the wireless method. The trick was, only moving between 50 and a hundred songs at a time.
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How many people have you talked to about their music collections? I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that most people only have 1 or 2 GB of music. I'll be willing to put a wager on that as well.

Well over 75% of people I have talked to both online and in real life have always told me totals of 20 GB and up - I myself have well over 400 GB of music alone, and another 200 GB of music videos.

Finally, your experiences of copying files locally versus wireless are your own experiences. Local copies will move faster than wireless connections, with the added benefit that you don't have to worry about a wireless card / router crapping out in the middle of a transfer. it's local.

Half of the problem is XP, but the other half of the problem is that when copying large amounts of data, using the native Windows Explorer in XP to copy said files, you've already opened the door for disaster. Copying large amounts of data can be alleviated in XP by 1) copying smaller sets, 2) using a file copier app like TeraCopy / Robocopy, or 3) Don't use your computer for anything else when performing the copying, and temporarily disabling your Internet connection and then your antivirus' real time protection to help speed things along.
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How many people have you talked to about their music collections? I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that most people only have 1 or 2 GB of music. I'll be willing to put a wager on that as well.

Well over 75% of people I have talked to both online and in real life have always told me totals of 20 GB and up - I myself have well over 400 GB of music alone, and another 200 GB of music videos.

Finally, your experiences of copying files locally versus wireless are your own experiences. Local copies will move faster than wireless connections, with the added benefit that you don't have to worry about a wireless card / router crapping out in the middle of a transfer. it's local.

Half of the problem is XP, but the other half of the problem is that when copying large amounts of data, using the native Windows Explorer in XP to copy said files, you've already opened the door for disaster. Copying large amounts of data can be alleviated in XP by 1) copying smaller sets, 2) using a file copier app like TeraCopy / Robocopy, or 3) Don't use your computer for anything else when performing the copying, and temporarily disabling your Internet connection and then your antivirus' real time protection to help speed things along.
Thank you. I will look into the software you speak of. Do you have any idea why ubuntu linux would be slow? I don't use my xp machine other than to reformat phones.

How a file would get corrupted is, I would be listening to a song, halfway through the song the music player would play something completely different, but according to the music player I'm still on the original track I was playing. It's as if, windows spliced to song together into one...
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... and consder Windows 7 in place of Windows XP ... you will be very happy you did for this problem and MANY others.

I have never encountrered the problem you describe on Windows 7 (dual quad-core workstation with 12GB memory).

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Thank you. I will look into the software you speak of. Do you have any idea why ubuntu linux would be slow? I don't use my xp machine other than to reformat phones.

How a file would get corrupted is, I would be listening to a song, halfway through the song the music player would play something completely different, but according to the music player I'm still on the original track I was playing. It's as if, windows spliced to song together into one...
RoboCopy is built into XP as a hidden utility, but might require installation of an SDK / SP, cannot remember.

TeraCopy is a 3rd party software.

And if you were listening to your music while trying to copy it to another device, I'm not surprised that this happened.

As for your *nix box, depends upon 1) the hardware, and 2) the configuration your use for your installs. a default install of most *nix will not be strikingly faster than a Windows install.
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RoboCopy is built into XP as a hidden utility, but might require installation of an SDK / SP, cannot remember.

TeraCopy is a 3rd party software.

And if you were listening to your music while trying to copy it to another device, I'm not surprised that this happened.

As for your *nix box, depends upon 1) the hardware, and 2) the configuration your use for your installs. a default install of most *nix will not be strikingly faster than a Windows install.
Nope, I wasn't listening to music while transferring. I know well enough to not use any type of resources whole doing file transfers.

Is far as my linux box goes. I download ubuntu, burned it to a disk as an iso file and did a full install. Linux is the only operating system on this particular machine. 4 gigs of ram and an AMD 2.8 gig processor. I built it three years ago.
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The OOB install is a very generic install, and not all that bad, but also really not all that much better than, say, XP on the same machine.

The beauty of Linux is that you have direct access to the kernel. You can recompile a new kernel all on your own, and instead of having a kernel that polls all the hardware that you ahve nad then tries ot match a corresponding module so that hte hardware will be usable, you can manually specify which ones to laod so that the boot takes much less time. After that, the performance will also be determined upon how your partitions are set up, recompiling for your specific processor and hardware (which makes a huge difference in access times and whatnot) as well as the actual hardware used - you can use the most modern processor, with gobs of RAM, but you throw in a couple of 5400 rpm IDE drives you'll hit a bottleneck faster than you can say uncle. SATA III is the new gold standard, while SATA II is the current de facto standard, but even then HDs have different levels of internal cache and differnt spindle speeds. Each of these is going to affect performance. Faster drives get access to data faster. more cache means that more data can be loaded from the drive and then shunted over to RAM / CPU at any given time. Your motherboard's BUS, the CPU and RAM interface type, all sorts of things will factor in to how 'fast' or slow an app in any given OS will be.

For all we know, it could be that the MP3 encoding used on your files are problematic for whatever reason, and so your computer is working double time to try to 1) decode, and 2) fix any issues, before 3) playing the decoded audio. if this were to be the case it would manifest in all OS, not just XP.

However, transmitting data wirelessly is adding anywhere from 3 to 5 more points of failure, so when transferring data to a new SDCard, you're better off not going that route unless it is the only way possible (IOW, you do not have an SDCard reader in your computer).
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The OOB install is a very generic install, and not all that bad, but also really not all that much better than, say, XP on the same machine.

The beauty of Linux is that you have direct access to the kernel. You can recompile a new kernel all on your own, and instead of having a kernel that polls all the hardware that you ahve nad then tries ot match a corresponding module so that hte hardware will be usable, you can manually specify which ones to laod so that the boot takes much less time. After that, the performance will also be determined upon how your partitions are set up, recompiling for your specific processor and hardware (which makes a huge difference in access times and whatnot) as well as the actual hardware used - you can use the most modern processor, with gobs of RAM, but you throw in a couple of 5400 rpm IDE drives you'll hit a bottleneck faster than you can say uncle. SATA III is the new gold standard, while SATA II is the current de facto standard, but even then HDs have different levels of internal cache and differnt spindle speeds. Each of these is going to affect performance. Faster drives get access to data faster. more cache means that more data can be loaded from the drive and then shunted over to RAM / CPU at any given time. Your motherboard's BUS, the CPU and RAM interface type, all sorts of things will factor in to how 'fast' or slow an app in any given OS will be.

For all we know, it could be that the MP3 encoding used on your files are problematic for whatever reason, and so your computer is working double time to try to 1) decode, and 2) fix any issues, before 3) playing the decoded audio. if this were to be the case it would manifest in all OS, not just XP.

However, transmitting data wirelessly is adding anywhere from 3 to 5 more points of failure, so when transferring data to a new SDCard, you're better off not going that route unless it is the only way possible (IOW, you do not have an SDCard reader in your computer).
No, I don't have a built in card reader... Just a usb adapter. It would appear the wireless option is my only option. It has done very well thus far. I just move small groups of songs at a time.

As far as compiling kernals and such, I have zero experience....

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I didn't mean to imply built in - any SDCard reader, built in or USB attachable, will work.

If you can format USB thumb drives on a computer (which is a USB attachable device) then why can't you format an SDCard via a USB attachable card reader?

If you can copy data to and read from a USB thumb drive on a computer, then why can't you copy data to and read from an SDCard via a USB attachable card reader?

As for those copying utilities (I'm pretty sure there is an analog for *nix users, but I cannot remember it for now) they perform the copying with error correction, and also monitor abnormalities in terms of if the device goes offline / gets abruptly removed from the computer or not. Regular Windows Explorer cannot do all that, it just says "unable to copy" and let's you (very ungracefully I might add) exit the process.
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I didn't mean to imply built in - any SDCard reader, built in or USB attachable, will work.

If you can format USB thumb drives on a computer (which is a USB attachable device) then why can't you format an SDCard via a USB attachable card reader?

If you can copy data to and read from a USB thumb drive on a computer, then why can't you copy data to and read from an SDCard via a USB attachable card reader?

As for those copying utilities (I'm pretty sure there is an analog for *nix users, but I cannot remember it for now) they perform the copying with error correction, and also monitor abnormalities in terms of if the device goes offline / gets abruptly removed from the computer or not. Regular Windows Explorer cannot do all that, it just says "unable to copy" and let's you (very ungracefully I might add) exit the process.
No, I can reformat thumbdrives and sdcards and even transfer files on both computers. Transferring music has always been an issue, it will tranfer, it just somehow gets corrupted or is very slow and transferring music files. Perhaps you have a point when it's coming to your point about different encodings on the mp3 files. Some I've downloaded (Legally) from different sources and some were cut and edited with an mp3 editor. Though all have the .mp3 file extension, like you said, the may have been encoded differently.
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Out of curiosity - how do you transfer music to and from devices when using the computer?
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I use "Wifi Pro". What this app does is go through your router. On the computer, you open your browser, type in the address wifi pro tells you to type in and viola, you see all of your phone's files including the sd card files. With wifi pro you can create a folder on your sd card and then select what ever files you have on your computer to transfer to the sd card, through your wireless router. It's worked out really well for me.


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Exactly. If you can format the SDCard on your computer, you can copy the date from the card to the computer and from the computer back to the new card without using your phone.

Transferring over wireless will be slower than direct physical transfer. For someone upgrading a 16 GB SDCard to a 32 GB SDCard, it's a pretty good bet that they have a god bit of data that needs transferring.

Glad you got it all working, WK.
Yeah, it was actually quite humdrum actually. Of course I've been acking up a LOT of data cause I'm currently building a new tower.

What amazes me is how much faster the USB on my laptop is than on my current desktop. I guess the fact that I use the desktop case's front USB ports make the difference.

Of course my new tower will have USB 3, yay, so I expect MUCH faster performance.

And since the Bionic will take a 64GB card, I will have to keep an eye out for sales. Of course I got the 32GB for free off Newegg so no complaints and holds sooooo much more music and videos over the 16GB that came with it. And the 32GB is class 6 and seems much snappier than the class 4 that the 16GB is.
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Unless your device supports USB3, it really won't make a difference. I've already got USB 3 ports on my recent build and I have no devices that are USB3 compliant, only USB2. They are no faster than the USB2 ports on my tower.

Also, be careful when using the BIONIC on USB3 ports for things like RSD and such - the BIONIC can be finicky. with USB3.
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Unless your device supports USB3, it really won't make a difference. I've already got USB 3 ports on my recent build and I have no devices that are USB3 compliant, only USB2. They are no faster than the USB2 ports on my tower.

Also, be careful when using the BIONIC on USB3 ports for things like RSD and such - the BIONIC can be finicky. with USB3.
Oh I have a Mushkin 64GB that is USB3 and backward compatible for USB2.

The new motherboard has 4 or 6 built on USB 3 ports and 4 or 6 USB 2 ports plus the ones that can use the case headers. Supposedly it also has a USB port that supports fast charging for like smartphones and iPods, etc instead of just the trickle charging.

But I really only use my Bionic on my laptop anyway and that has only USB2 ports.
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No, I can reformat thumbdrives and sdcards and even transfer files on both computers. Transferring music has always been an issue, it will tranfer, it just somehow gets corrupted or is very slow and transferring music files. Perhaps you have a point when it's coming to your point about different encodings on the mp3 files. Some I've downloaded (Legally) from different sources and some were cut and edited with an mp3 editor. Though all have the .mp3 file extension, like you said, the may have been encoded differently.
I previously suggested Windows 7 instead of Windows XP. (I never had your problem on Windows 7.)

Another idea popped up today ... have you considered that you might have a bad USB port or corroded or bad USB socket? Perhaps just using a different port or USB cable will make your problem magically disappear.

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If it was the port, then all the other functions listed would not perform correctly. Satires indicated that it is music files specific....
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He also eluded to BIG files. It might be worth just trying a different USB port and see if it made a difference.

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I cannot find any option to format a SD card under Storage in my rooted Bionic w/ICS. Only Erase all Internal Memory, which I didn't want to do.

I copied all the data from my 16gb card to a folder on my PC. Then I formatted the 32gb card (FAT32) on my Win7 pc, then copied all the data from my PC to the newly formatted 32gb card. When I inserted the new card I found a couple of strangenesses:
My Smartkeyboard and SmartkeyboardPro folders have disappeared, and I now see one named SMARTK~2 instead. There was one backup.zip file in the Smartkeyboard folder, and it is not to be found.

My MEDIA folder on my old card had several music files, and several video and photo files. Now only the music files appear, the videos and photos seem to be missing. Yet all the missing files do exist on the card; I can see them when I remove the card from the phone and put it in my card reader. I remember old DOS days when long filenames were shortened to 8.3 format in a way similar to the SMARTK~2 folder name, but my old 16gb card shows the long filename, and all the missing files, when it is inserted in the phone. Both cards are formatted FAT32 so I am confused.

Any help would be appreciated.
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