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Old August 11th, 2012, 07:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default OK before I "Leak" I just have a couple questions

I'm getting impatient with all this OTA speculation & I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go ahead and install .232 this weekend. I just wanna be clear on a couple things. what specifically are the pro's & con's of ics? :-) Thank
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EDIT : OK so I did it. So far I am very impressed! I didn't lose any apps or data & everything is just so much smoother. Even the haptic feedback is different. It did take almost an hour to completely boot up but now that it has, WOW!

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An hour? Wow...I would have been very nervous, haha
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How much different is the ui mate?
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It's buttery smooth. Every bit as smooth as an I phone. The pinch zoom on Web pages flawlessly smooth like an I phone. My Go Launcher is WAY smoother. Navaiating through pics & videos with QuickPic is virtually instant. Overall VERY quick, snappy, & smooth. Very nice. The way it should be. :-)
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Hows it setup?

Is it a black theme? I hate the blue and white of stock!
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Yeah, the notification bar is black and blue with black pull down. The settings menu is very different. It's even got a stock data usage counter. Other than that, the stock launcher is pretty much the same, appearance wise.
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My advice to anyone on Gingerbread whose still on the fence about installing a leak, Go for it. It's totally worth it.
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My advice to anyone on Gingerbread whose still on the fence about installing a leak, Go for it. It's totally worth it.
Yes there have been great reports from people who have installed the leaks that are not supported by Motorola or Verizon.

There still seem to be some capabilities missing that may or may not ever be in the ICS OTA.

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If we root to. 232 will we still get the message about a new ota update?
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Thanks for the post, having the same feelings about being on the fence regarding .232. My question is, if I update now, once the OTA comes out what do you think will be the next course of action for those on .232+?
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Thanks for the post, having the same feelings about being on the fence regarding .232. My question is, if I update now, once the OTA comes out what do you think will be the next course of action for those on .232+?
Well, if the ota has eliminated the following small issues of. 232
;Sound stops working intermittently - have to restart ;Calendar app is gone from app list, but its found under manage apps and under widgets ;Sound in physical phone earpiece is sometimes garbled ; GPS was fine for a few days, but is now intermittent &;When in car mode, home button should take you to car mode, not the home screen
& slightly Glitchy but functional video.

Then I would return to . 905 & take the ota, but if you flash anything higher than. 232, you're stuck with it pretty much as I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong Thom. That said, I'm still quite stoked on ics . 232, it's that good :-)
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from what i understand from motorola devices, if you root then you will still receive update notifications, however if you freeze apps or uninstall them, they need to be unfrozen or reinstalled or you might have a big issue on your hands. I am not sure if having the stock recovery is that big of a deal for the new updates now? but i know it does matter for the nexus.
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Then I would return to . 905 & take the ota, but if you flash anything higher than. 232, you're stuck with it pretty much as I understand. Correct me if I'm wrong Thom. That said, I'm still quite stoked on ics . 232, it's that good :-)
There is no way to know for sure what Motorola/Verizon will do after the ICS OTA is released for the people who did all the volunteer testing for them to improve their product.

The assumption has always been that you had to revert to Gingerbread to get back on the OTA automatic update path. This is yet to be determined.

There is also the question of where people go from 6.7.235 and 6.7.238. This is yet to be determined.

In essence ... you have to wait and see ... and ... if you want to try ICS the recommended leak is 6.7.232 because you can revert to Gingerbread and get back on the OTA automatic update path ... if the other possibilities are not available.

So ... most conservative ... wait for the ICS OTA ... most conservative to try leaks ... go with 6.7.232.

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There is no way to know for sure what Motorola/Verizon will do after the ICS OTA is released for the people who did all the volunteer testing for them to improve their product.

The assumption has always been that you had to revert to Gingerbread to get back on the OTA automatic update path. This is yet to be determined.

There is also the question of where people go from 6.7.235 and 6.7.238. This is yet to be determined.

In essence ... you have to wait and see ... and ... if you want to try ICS the recommended leak is 6.7.232 because you can revert to Gingerbread and get back on the OTA automatic update path ... if the other possibilities are not available.

So ... most conservative ... wait for the ICS OTA ... most conservative to try leaks ... go with 6.7.232.

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i agree with everything thom says.

however knowing verizon's track record with updates. i wouldnt wait around to experience ICS, i cant speak for Motorola's ICS build as it looks blurred all the crap and it is no where close to AOSP (which i enjoy) then i wouldnt care for it that much.
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from what i understand from motorola devices, if you root then you will still receive update notifications, however if you freeze apps or uninstall them, they need to be unfrozen or reinstalled or you might have a big issue on your hands. I am not sure if having the stock recovery is that big of a deal for the new updates now? but i know it does matter for the nexus.
I think he was asking if he would get automatic notification of the OTA if he installed the ICS leak and was root-ed.The kicker here IMNHO is that there is no way for knowing how Verizon/Wireless will recognize the "from" state in the ICS OTA. It has been assumed that it is Gingerbread root-ed or Gingerbread un-root-ed. I think that is likely but is yet to be determined.

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yea, just plain rooted he would get the notification, however with the ICS leak, the devs altered the build to make it to where it doesnt receive notification of a new official ota update. i believe they change the updater.apk to updater.bak or remove it completely
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So is this just a upgrade or is this going to replace gingerbread?
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gee, "buttery smooth" vs garbled audio and other sound issues? doesn't sound like that great of a deal IMO. I don't want to go back to similar problems that I had with my Storm with missing calls (the ringer would stop functioning when it felt like it), not to mention a whole host of other show stopper problems. My bionic is my ONLY phone--I can't have it become more flaky than it already is, which is currently tolerable except for the data dropping issues that persist to this day.
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There ya go, you're thanked again and now are on the enlightened path :/

Great discussion and thanks everyone. I'll try out .232 tomorrow so I can at least get comfortable with it. I don't have a lot of time to go back and forth between roms, but got a nice week off of work. What I was wondering is if it would be a timesaver to set up ics, homescreens, settings etc now before the OTA and the (possibly) better roms come out based on a new build. I guess we'll see.
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I think he was asking if he would get automatic notification of the OTA if he installed the ICS leak and was root-ed.The kicker here IMNHO is that there is no way for knowing how Verizon/Wireless will recognize the "from" state in the ICS OTA. It has been assumed that it is Gingerbread root-ed or Gingerbread un-root-ed. I think that is likely but is yet to be determined.

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Once you are on an ICS leak (any ICS leak, as in an OTA candidate straight from Motorola, not an ICS ROM) you lose the ability to receive the update OTA. The OTA will require that you are on 5.9.905 stock in order to receive the notification, much less the ability to download it OTA and install it.

It has to do with several things, including lines in the build.prop file among other things, that cause this. See also my next response for more info.

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yea, just plain rooted he would get the notification, however with the ICS leak, the devs altered the build to make it to where it doesnt receive notification of a new official ota update. i believe they change the updater.apk to updater.bak or remove it completely
Actually, it is a bit more entailed than that. It comes down to the way the cheesecake app was developed to look for pre-OTA leaks, which is exactly what these leaks are - every one from .2231 through .238 are pre-release leaks that were found via cheesecake. You have to be on 5.9.905 in order to find the leaks, just as you will have to be on 5.9.905 for the final release OTA (as I noted above).

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It is an upgrade from GB to ICS, and yes, it will replace GB permanently.

The pre-release leaks from .2231through .232 are not permanent. Leaks .235 and .238 ARE permanent.

See below for a full listing.

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gee, "buttery smooth" vs garbled audio and other sound issues? doesn't sound like that great of a deal IMO. I don't want to go back to similar problems that I had with my Storm with missing calls (the ringer would stop functioning when it felt like it), not to mention a whole host of other show stopper problems. My bionic is my ONLY phone--I can't have it become more flaky than it already is, which is currently tolerable except for the data dropping issues that persist to this day.
The ICS pre-release leaks don't have garbled audio across the board, if it is happening, it is to a select few.

Some folks have complained about a whine when using wired headsets (mine does not and never has done that) but that does not extend to the earphone when making and receiving calls, only to wired headset (and only to a few people, and these folks also had the same problem back in 5.8.886 through 5.9.902 as well).

Data issues are almost non-existent with the ICS leaks - as I said in another thread, 99% of issues not caused by a major outage or VZW doing something stupid are FIXED with ICS pre-release leaks.

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Great discussion and thanks everyone. I'll try out .232 tomorrow so I can at least get comfortable with it. I don't have a lot of time to go back and forth between roms, but got a nice week off of work. What I was wondering is if it would be a timesaver to set up ics, homescreens, settings etc now before the OTA and the (possibly) better roms come out based on a new build. I guess we'll see.
You can do all that, b/c when it comes time to be back on .905, there is a way to flash only the parts that it needs, without losing your data. The final OTA is an update and [B]expects you to keep your data./B]
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Let's get one thing clear. The ICS pre-release leaks are not ROMs made by a developer. They are testing versions of pre-release software that various engineers and developers at Motorola are testing on their own BIONICs to work out a lot of the kinks that they encountered when they pushed ICS OTA to the RAZRs. In that sense, the RAZR users were so happy and gleeful about getting ICS so early, but they, in effect, became guinea pigs for us BIONIC users.

The leaks so far:
  1. Original engineering leak (uninstallable)
  2. 6.7.2231 (first installable leak)
  3. 6.7.2233
  4. 6.7.229 (numbering change)
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  6. 6.7.232 (major overhaul of the underlying system framework - updating from previous builds to this build required that you not use TiBu to restore apps)
  7. 6.7.235 (First irreversible leak - better battery life for me than .232)
  8. 6.7.238 (second irreversible leak, best leak thus far on my phone)
  9. 6.7.239 (a hodge-podge build that apparently only works on some specifically designed engineer phones Motorola, cannot be installed by regular end users like you and me)

MattLGroff (of RAZR fame) has devised a lot of little things for the RAZR community that are going to help us out as well. He devised the method used to install a temporary 5.9.905 /system partition onto a phone that fools the next pre-release leak / OTA into thinking that you are on a true 5.9.905 system, and allows you to flash any update 6.7.235 and on, if you are already on 6.7.235/.238, but you cannot boot into that temporary .905 system at all, only use it to upgrade. So, we can move forward from 6.7.235 and 6.7.238 to the next leak / final OTA. If you hae any other leak installed, you can always FXZ back to 5.9.905, and you'll also be able to do it without wiping /data if you so choose.

SamuriHL has written a set of utilities collectively called House of BIONIC that performs all of these functions and many more, so that you can try to your heart's content.

Bottom line - you don't need to be rooted, and if you stick the 6.7.232 (the best of the reversible leaks) you're fine, golden, and will be able to revert to 5.9.905 in order to take another leak or the final OTA.

The final OTA will be permanent - IOW, once it is officially leaked, you'll be stuck on it just like use 6.7.235 / 6.7.238 users are, there will be no going back to GB at all.
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Yes, thanks for clearing the air on all things leak in one post. You Rock John!
P. S. Where can one find these "House of Bionic" utilities you spoke of?
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Link to the official HoB thread - read the first post very carefully. It's at DroidForums.net

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