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Old September 22nd, 2012, 01:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/22/motorola-updates-ice-cream-sandwich-timeline-bionic-and-xyboard-8-2-officially-pushed-to-q4/

Pretty ridiculous, although I guess that VP of products who has been responding to customer concerns lately has been quoted as saying that they were going to reset the deadline and then make sure they stick to that one. And then apparently responded to someone else and said not Q4 as in Dec 31st, much earlier than that.

Still though, I think I've finally had enough. The ICS leaks seem to work perfectly fine, and I'm talking about version 232 which I still use, after which there has been 4 or 5 more updates. The rumor going around is that Flash is still the biggest issue but I'm not sure if that's true or not. Other than that I just can't imagine what the hold up is.

My Bionic with its extended battery has pretty much been relegated to wifi hotspot duty for my Nexus 7 anyway, but now I feel like selling it just out of spite. But that's just creating more work for myself, and I don't think too many newer devices offer the extended battery size that the Bionic got, at least not OEM products. So this disappointing Moto device may live on as a wifi hotspot for a while longer. And maybe now I'll finally update from 232, the last ICS leak that lets you easily flash back to Gingerbread. I kept waiting thinking I wanted to be able to get back to stock and flash the official update with as little hassle as possible, but now that it may take 3 more months, I don't care.
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Flash is finally fixed on .246
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So this disappointing Moto device may live on as a wifi hotspot for a while longer. And maybe now I'll finally update from 232, the last ICS leak that lets you easily flash back to Gingerbread. I kept waiting thinking I wanted to be able to get back to stock and flash the official update with as little hassle as possible, but now that it may take 3 more months, I don't care.
What I have been reading is ... hold off on making any decision until Tuesday.

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I thought moto said we get JB by the end of December.....but which year?
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 05:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What I have been reading is ... hold off on making any decision until Tuesday.

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Surprise! (Of course I'm being sarcastic). Screw it. It's time to flash unofficial ICS. I was going to swap my Bionic with my sister's Galaxy Nexus, but I'd feel guilty for giving her this POS.
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Motorola Updates Ice Cream Sandwich Timeline – Bionic and Xyboard 8.2 Officially Pushed to Q4 – Droid Life

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We have been discussing that over at ICS pushed till Q4 come on and join the conversation!
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Sigh.
I guess I'll root and rom while I plan on getting an S3.
I'm tired of this waiting game.
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Who am I kidding? I'm far too lazy to hack this thing again.
I'll wait and see what happens while I plan my replacement.

I really looked forward to this phone too. It's quite disappointing.
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DOH!
Didn't see it, sorry.

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Sigh.
I guess I'll root and rom while I plan on getting an S3.
I'm tired of this waiting game.
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I'll wait and see what happens while I plan my replacement.

I really looked forward to this phone too. It's quite disappointing.
I'm still cautiously optimistic we will see ICS either next week or the week after, but who really knows @ this point
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At this point,I'm tired of all the B.S. so I'm sticking w/ .232,and I'll get the OTA when it gets here.
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You all forget one very important thing. Actually, two very important things.
  1. It's not Motorola making the final decision on whether the update gets released or not. it's VZW.
  2. I'd rather have a working ICS upgrade that works seamlessly, than one that causes even more problems like the RAZR ICS update did.

As Dautley points out, Flash only now works as of .246 - which most of y'all are not jumping to b/c it prevents you from going back to .905 (GB)....

I'd rather NOT have to go through what a lot of RAZR users did. Yes, I'm running the leaks, as of right now .246, but I'm limited in that I can only switch between .235+ leaks now. I can deal with it, I know what I am doing, but there are still issues - one of which is that my phone STILL only clocks in at stock 1.0 GHz, not 1.2 like it is supposed to....
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If it really is all Verizon's fault, I don't think Moto would take all the heat for it from their customers without mentioning that, at least in a subtle way without stating it so obviously to tick off Verizon. Also, did we ever truly confirm that the ICS update is supposed to push the Bionic to 1.2ghz? I kinda doubt that it was really meant to change one of the hardware specs of the phone and overclock it. I could be wrong though.

Whoever is at fault here, VZW or Moto, needs a lesson in "under-promise and over-deliver". If they had said the Bionic would get ICS by 2013 all along, we'd have no room to complain. No better way to anger customers than keep dangling it in their face by saying it's coming soon. Case in point, the delays shouldn't really even bother me seeing as I am perfectly happy flashing the leaks, and also have a Nexus 7 sitting here with JB. The only reason it does matter to me is because I am still a Bionic customer and I think it's annoying seeing the missed deadlines.
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I'm basing my observations about the OC from what they did to the D1, OCing it to 800 MHz when they released FroYo for it, to make it more responsive. That was an official OC, since the CPU in that phone was stock clocked at 600 MHz by TI and under clocked to 550 MHz by Moto....

As for it being VZW's fault, they had not signed off on any previously release until .242 or .244, don't remember which one it was, I think .242 - and after that we've had 2 more. Plus, Flash was not working properly on any release (100% properly) until now, so I think taking their time and getting everything right is more important than getting it out as fast as possible.
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I'm basing my observations about the OC from what they did to the D1, OCing it to 800 MHz when they released FroYo for it, to make it more responsive. That was an official OC, since the CPU in that phone was stock clocked at 600 MHz by TI and under clocked to 550 MHz by Moto....

As for it being VZW's fault, they had not signed off on any previously release until .242 or .244, don't remember which one it was, I think .242 - and after that we've had 2 more. Plus, Flash was not working properly on any release (100% properly) until now, so I think taking their time and getting everything right is more important than getting it out as fast as possible.
But why would Flash even matter? I know a lot of people use it, and I don't use it that much, but considering Adobe has said they are ending support for Flash on the Android it seems silly to delay ICS this long for that being even just one reason.

Android drops Adobe Flash support from today as Adobe focuses on HTML5 - Techworld.com
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I'm basing my observations about the OC from what they did to the D1, OCing it to 800 MHz when they released FroYo for it, to make it more responsive. That was an official OC, since the CPU in that phone was stock clocked at 600 MHz by TI and under clocked to 550 MHz by Moto....
I think some definitions are needed. OC means Over Clocking and that is using an after-purchase technique to increase the clock speed from what was guaranteed by the manufacturer. It requires root-ing and violates the terms of most warranties.

The manufacturer measures the maximum clock speed and then guarantees it to a lesser value. They measure each device to see if it falls into an acceptable range above what is guaranteed before they release it for sale. If it fails when running at the guaranteed speed then they provide a replacement while you are under warranty.

In the reference provided I think they increased the clock speed covered by the warranty.

In everything I've read about the ICS leaks it seems that some people re getting 1.0 GHz and some people are getting 1.2 GHz with the same leak for no apparent reason. The Bionic was always advertised as 1.0 GHz. The Razr was always advertised as 1.2 GHz.

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Who's running this show? A bunch of politicians??? Promise and then break promises...


All of this is a ploy to delay, delay, delay... by which time most of our contracts will be nearing renewal.... then, since we'll be up for renewal and most of us will renew,,,, THEY will not be on the hook to give us 100.00 bucks for the Jelly Bean thingy...

Yeah, I'm being a smart arse, but ... I still believe the Bionic (and maybe the RAZR) are flawed devices...

BTW, my work phone (Samsung Galaxy) just got the JB update...

Never had a 4g data drop with that one... works great... (battery does drop quickly though)...

Lets just hope ICS will make it to the Bionic...

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Who's running this show? A bunch of politicians??? Promise and then break promises...


All of this is a ploy to delay, delay, delay... by which time most of our contracts will be nearing renewal.... then, since we'll be up for renewal and most of us will renew,,,, THEY will not be on the hook to give us 100.00 bucks for the Jelly Bean thingy...

Yeah, I'm being a smart arse, but ... I still believe the Bionic (and maybe the RAZR) are flawed devices...

BTW, my work phone (Samsung Galaxy) just got the JB update...

Never had a 4g data drop with that one... works great... (battery does drop quickly though)...

Lets just hope ICS will make it to the Bionic...

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LOL, Dave, in one breath you say "works great" and then you mention lousy battery life. lousy battery life is a deal breaker issue for me. I dont want to worry about my phone needing a mid-day charge. thankfully the bionic can go all day with quite a bit of use.
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Well, it doesnt do as well as my Bionic with the extended battery... that is true... and that is my reference... and yeah, it might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm just being honest with my findings and such...and when I say quickly... I am talking about maybe 10hrs of moderate use. I do get through a business day with it.
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Who's running this show? A bunch of politicians??? Promise and then break promises...


All of this is a ploy to delay, delay, delay... by which time most of our contracts will be nearing renewal.... then, since we'll be up for renewal and most of us will renew,,,, THEY will not be on the hook to give us 100.00 bucks for the Jelly Bean thingy...

Yeah, I'm being a smart arse, but ... I still believe the Bionic (and maybe the RAZR) are flawed devices...

BTW, my work phone (Samsung Galaxy) just got the JB update...

Never had a 4g data drop with that one... works great... (battery does drop quickly though)...

Lets just hope ICS will make it to the Bionic...

I'm DDave and I approved this message...
If it was just the Bionic that has had data problems I would agree with you, however, EVERY 4G phone (at least up until a certain point) has had data drops. I don't think this points to the Bionic being flawed but rather how Verizon has done their network being flawed.

This Is Why Your Verizon Galaxy Nexus (Or Other 4G LTE VZW Phone) Is Losing Its Data Connection

The Nexuses, the Razr's, all of them have had software updates since the Bionic which seems to have cleared up their data issues. Other phones released since then seem to have had the fix built in from the start.

And while we complain (and I among them) that we haven't gotten ICS yet, the Razr which is nearly identical to the Bionic has had issues since they got their ICS.

Droid RAZR & Droid RAZR MAXX ICS Issues Now Two Months Old

I could be wrong, but it seems that our ICS release is somehow tied to the Razr's ICS fix. Something tells me the two will be pushed out at the same time.
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Man i just updated my droid to .232 friday night and i am so impressed how much it has improved my phone! Every broken feature on Gb is not fixed. Geez i love ics
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Tuesdays almost over, can we start making decisions now? It was a rough weekend. My friends wanted to know if we should go mexican or italian and was rather hard to explain why I couldn't make a decision. I also have a test tommorrow and need to decide on the answers.

Oh, also, would like to make a decision on the phone too.
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Tuesdays almost over, can we start making decisions now? It was a rough weekend. My friends wanted to know if we should go mexican or italian and was rather hard to explain why I couldn't make a decision. I also have a test tommorrow and need to decide on the answers.

Oh, also, would like to make a decision on the phone too.
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Oh, also, would like to make a decision on the phone too.
Atrix 2 for AT&T is getting ICS pushed out now, I doubt Moto would push out updates for two phones during the same week but who knows......
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Oh, also, would like to make a decision on the phone too.
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So your saying us .232 people cant upgrade to the ota ehen its released without going back to .905?

Or are you saying we wont recieve the update but can still download it and flash it?
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So your saying us .232 people cant upgrade to the ota ehen its released without going back to .905?

Or are you saying we wont recieve the update but can still download it and flash it?
1. yes
2. no you won't receive (get pushed) the update on anything but .905, you can still manually do updates via HOB or FXZ back to .905 and wait for the update to be pushed.

It has been made very clear in many posts that you somehow MUST BE ON THE UPGRADE PATH (.905) to be able to receive OTA updates hence all the warnings on 235 and above. That's why I provided links for RSD and the .905 FXZ I will add a big red warning to the download links thread though.
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2. no you won't receive (get pushed) the update on anything but .905, you can still manually do updates via HOB or FXZ back to .905 and wait for the update to be pushed.

It has been made very clear in many posts that you somehow MUST BE ON THE UPGRADE PATH (.905) to be able to receive OTA updates hence all the warnings on 235 and above. That's why I provided links for RSD and the .905 FXZ I will add a big red warning to the download links thread though.
So.... If I am on .905 now, make a nandroid, then get on one of the 'safe' ICE leaks (meaning I can get back to GB from it), when the OTA finally arrives, why wouldn't I be able to recover using my nandroid backup and be back 'on the path'? (Meaning back to GB .905)

Is that because nandroids are there to save your butt when flashing ROM's, but once you take the ICS leak path, you have changed too much "stuff" for using your nandroid backup to be able to get back?

(Kind of like using recovery discs from Windows 3.1 and expecting it to work on Windows 7)

If that's the case, why not just grab an ICS leak, not worry about a backup at all, and run with it? The only things I really wanted to do w/ root access was freeze bloatware. lol Custom ROM's do not call to me.

ICS does. Having a stable 4g w/o data drops does. lol Hell, even normal screen shot taking does.

Guess I'm just getting tired of waiting for the OTA (I know... like EVERYONE else isn't. )
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So your saying us .232 people cant upgrade to the ota ehen its released without going back to .905?

Or are you saying we wont recieve the update but can still download it and flash it?
From what I understand, you have to go back to 905 than take the OTA. You may can get an OTA file and flash it if someone puts up the exact file but Thom or Dautley or someone else will have to answer for sure.

But that's not that big a deal to flash back and take the OTA. Those who went past 232 can not go back at all and have to do a diffucult workaround to get the OTA update.
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What I have read here MANY times is that your options are ...

- Wait for the ICS OTA.
- Install up to 6.7.232 and when the OTA comes out revert to 5.9.905 and accept the OTA. If you install past 6.7.232 you cannot return to 5.9.905.


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So.... If I am on .905 now, make a nandroid, then get on one of the 'safe' ICE leaks (meaning I can get back to GB from it), when the OTA finally arrives, why wouldn't I be able to recover using my nandroid backup and be back 'on the path'? (Meaning back to GB .905)

Is that because nandroids are there to save your butt when flashing ROM's, but once you take the ICS leak path, you have changed too much "stuff" for using your nandroid backup to be able to get back?

(Kind of like using recovery discs from Windows 3.1 and expecting it to work on Windows 7)

If that's the case, why not just grab an ICS leak, not worry about a backup at all, and run with it? The only things I really wanted to do w/ root access was freeze bloatware. lol Custom ROM's do not call to me.

ICS does. Having a stable 4g w/o data drops does. lol Hell, even normal screen shot taking does.

Guess I'm just getting tired of waiting for the OTA (I know... like EVERYONE else isn't. )
what you could do is flash the .905 fxz, restore your .905 nandroid and then take the OTA for ICS. You can not restore a different nadroid if the radios are different because it will cause issues and FC.
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"I have been thinking about the long delayed update and have been guilty along with others of putting the majority of the blame on VZ. However, if flash is the holdup and it didn't work in previous builds but works now in build .246 (from other forums) then since Moogle writes the updates then they are responsible. I think they may have had the gig crew at the sweeps when they needed the varsity. Sometimes it is difficult to teach a hamster to say "row". Even if Flash was not the problem there was apparently a defect in the previous builds causing VZ to reject them and Moogle to write others (several in fact). This is purely a suspicion on my part based on information from blogs, tech sites, other forums etc. and is not conclusive but does seem reasonable. VZ has, on the other hand, been extremely generous in swapping out phones for customers, often numerous times. I feel fairly sure that VZ is having growing pains with the LTE network based on several trips I have taken recently, Columbus OH just this past weekend, where I had superb LTE reception.(our hotel was right under a tower) with minimal and very short drops. Speed was excellent as was GPS navigation. Performance on my stock GB Bionic was excellent.

I have a lot invested in my Bionic, numerous accessories, and my coveted unlimited data. I do not want to mod my phone or update too soon but I do want a solid ICS OTA. I am encouraged by Mr. Soni's statements and continue to wait for the OTA and more communication."

The above is a partial copy of a post on another forum. Tuesday has come and gone and yes, there is apparently a soak in progress......for the Atrix. What have Bionic owners been told? Nada, just more rumors. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the rumors since that really seems to be the only information we are getting. As for Mr. Soni........strike one!
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"I have been thinking about the long delayed update and have been guilty along with others of putting the majority of the blame on VZ. However, if flash is the holdup and it didn't work in previous builds but works now in build .246 (from other forums) then since Moogle writes the updates then they are responsible. I think they may have had the gig crew at the sweeps when they needed the varsity. Sometimes it is difficult to teach a hamster to say "row". Even if Flash was not the problem there was apparently a defect in the previous builds causing VZ to reject them and Moogle to write others (several in fact). This is purely a suspicion on my part based on information from blogs, tech sites, other forums etc. and is not conclusive but does seem reasonable. VZ has, on the other hand, been extremely generous in swapping out phones for customers, often numerous times. I feel fairly sure that VZ is having growing pains with the LTE network based on several trips I have taken recently, Columbus OH just this past weekend, where I had superb LTE reception.(our hotel was right under a tower) with minimal and very short drops. Speed was excellent as was GPS navigation. Performance on my stock GB Bionic was excellent.

I have a lot invested in my Bionic, numerous accessories, and my coveted unlimited data. I do not want to mod my phone or update too soon but I do want a solid ICS OTA. I am encouraged by Mr. Soni's statements and continue to wait for the OTA and more communication."

The above is a partial copy of a post on another forum. Tuesday has come and gone and yes, there is apparently a soak in progress......for the Atrix. What have Bionic owners been told? Nada, just more rumors. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the rumors since that really seems to be the only information we are getting. As for Mr. Soni........strike one!
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No one said Flash was the holdup by itself.

I pointed out that .246 fixed Flash issues that were prevalent in every ICS leak previous. That was not the only fix, just the one that was the easiest to verify.

And, I'll say it again - 4G has been rock solid on ICS leaks, and the phone is tons more responsive even without freezing all of the bloatware that comes installed.

As for blaming VZW, well, yes, you have to, b/c until VZW says yes Moogle is forced to keep going back to the drawing board to change things. As things get delayed they then also have to update patches for system apps as well as newer versions of those are released in the Play Store.
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John, I certainly respect your opinion but Moogle did push bad ICS updates to the Razr and Razr Maxx. It is possible that VZ doesn't want a repeat as they take the majority of the heat for a bad upgrade. I understand flash probably isn't the only issue but they were apparently able to fix it in .246. I would like to know the real reason for this delay but it doesn't look like either VZW or Moogle is ever going to tell us.
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I think it will eventually be known but it is not public yet.

As to which is at fault ... it is a partnership deal and they are both at fault.

The Bionic always seems to be delayed by the latest business maneuver between Motorola and Verizon and that seems to be what is happening ... yet again.

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Only if the NFL ref's are pushing it....
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if they were pushing it there would be more than this one bad call...
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They can't screw it up any worse. ICS was released last Q4.
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if they were pushing it there would be more than this one bad call...

Well how many leaked OTA are there? Moto/VZW is worst by my count.
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