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Old October 4th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Actually John I put a lot of stock in those rumors, I just don't discuss it here much because I don't really have anything useful to add.

And I've been flashing the leaks as fast as I can get my hands on them (after security version check and verification if can still be rooted) of course.
I did jump the gun on .246 when Sam was @ the races, but I saw where he said he installed it so I added that one to the HOB myself

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I don't even bother checking security nor rootability. By the time I get to seeing it's out all that has already been done lol.

I have o spend too much time writing my thesis....and thus have not enough time to play like I used to.
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Yup, I don't have any relation to any of the companies involved. I have a couple sources of info but EVERYTHING is subject to change. That's why when people ask me if I can guarantee such and such build will become OTA I simply roll my eyes. No build is OTA until it is. EVERY build is potentially an OTA build until it isn't. As for the Kor thing I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more dev come out of there given the announcement today that Google's laying off even more people. That's not a sign that it won't be an OTA build. We need to see what's on the QA4 server....and keep an eye on it.
When are you going to put your HOB thread on here sam? The only bad thing is this place can get pretty heavy handed with the moderation..
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When are you going to put your HOB thread on here sam? The only bad thing is this place can get pretty heavy handed with the moderation..
2 threads are more than enough to try to keep up to date.
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Dautley... Is it clear how I feel about heavy handed moderation now?
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Dautley... Is it clear how I feel about heavy handed moderation now?
Yeah, that was great! It kills off the development community, that's for sure!
(not talking about here of course)
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Yeah, that was great! It kills off the development community, that's for sure!
(not talking about here of course)
I will say that everyone leaving was NOT my intention at all. I simply felt that I couldn't continue to provide the support that I wanted while being targeted. So, I decided to move the HoB to a place where I had more control. What happened next was outside of my control. I'm quite happy in our new home and have a lot more joy now.
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I will say that everyone leaving was NOT my intention at all. I simply felt that I couldn't continue to provide the support that I wanted while being targeted. So, I decided to move the HoB to a place where I had more control. What happened next was outside of my control. I'm quite happy in our new home and have a lot more joy now.
I'm not leaving the other place but nothing there to hold my interest for the time being, great additions to Hob 8 by the way!
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And I honestly wouldn't mind seeing HoB in both places if you decide to with making where it is now the "official home of the house"!
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It's not going back to being hosted in two places. That was a major pain. I'm happy where it is. The users seem happy in their new home. All is well afaic.
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Soak test emails went out tonight.
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I saw one of those, now we can make Bionic go, lol!
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But seriously people, now would be a good time to go back to .905 if your on .232 or lower.
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But NOT if you're 235 or higher!
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Now would be a good time to find the House if your on .235 or higher..
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You ain't kidding.
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You think thats why the delayed ICS? Maybe they will just release us JB as a surprise?
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I'm sick of waiting so long for updates! Where the hell is Key Lime Pie!!
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I'm sick of waiting so long for updates! Where the hell is Key Lime Pie!!
I was thinking more about going to "Zucchini Lemon Muffins" and getting it all over with....
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I was thinking more about going to "Zucchini Lemon Muffins" and getting it all over with....
Whatever all.... my bionic is rocking 7.0... "Creme Brulee' ". It's a direct neural interface. I just think and it does stuff.
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I saw one of those, now we can make Bionic go, lol!
Than Bionic make us smart.

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What Google needs to do, if it even can, is take a more Apple-ish approach and handle sending out the updates themselves rather than dealing with the carriers.
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Bloat going away on Android phones carried by Verizon isn't going to happen regardless of if Moto and Google want it or not. Motorola Wants To Give Their Users A Stock Android Experience – Verizon, Not So Much
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Bloat going away on Android phones carried by Verizon isn't going to happen regardless of if Moto and Google want it or not. Motorola Wants To Give Their Users A Stock Android Experience – Verizon, Not So Much
I just don't understand the thinking on the carriers part. If they want to put on some apps preinstalled, fine, but make them uninstallable and most certainly not required to get an OS upgrade.

But the way it is now, what Verizon is essentially telling all of it's customers is "We don't care what you want. We will do with your phone what we want and if you don't like it, well we don't care." There is nothing that comes close to customer service in demanding bloatware remain on the phone and can only serve to drive customers away. Those who like the apps will keep them and won't care if someone else uninstalls them, but demanding that everyone live with their junk only serves to drive some people to another carrier.
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I just don't understand the thinking on the carriers part. If they want to put on some apps preinstalled, fine, but make them uninstallable and most certainly not required to get an OS upgrade.

But the way it is now, what Verizon is essentially telling all of it's customers is "We don't care what you want. We will do with your phone what we want and if you don't like it, well we don't care." There is nothing that comes close to customer service in demanding bloatware remain on the phone and can only serve to drive customers away. Those who like the apps will keep them and won't care if someone else uninstalls them, but demanding that everyone live with their junk only serves to drive some people to another carrier.
I agree but if Verizon allows us to remove the bloat then they can not charge as much to the vendor that wants their app included in the bloat. This this is bad for big V's pockets
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I agree but if Verizon allows us to remove the bloat then they can not charge as much to the vendor that wants their app included in the bloat. This this is bad for big V's pockets
It's also bad for their pockets if customers leave because Verizon isn't customer oriented.

But I don't see what difference it could make to a vendor if someone who never uses their app uninstalls it from their phone. They still got Verizon to preinstall it so people could see it. But it's not like people are going to use an app they don't want and potentially spend money within it.
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I think it is approaching critical mass.

On one side you have iPhone in what four models?

Just for fun ... go to the main index of forums on this website and see how many Android phones there are ... then co sider that close to all of them are customized.

It is hard to believe that the Android "every phone is different" approach is going to survive. There has to be some standardization ... at least by manufacturer.

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Anyone here know if windows phones are packed with bloat?
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Anyone here know if windows phones are packed with bloat?
I would like to know this as well. If no, I have to say I may give serious consideration to a Windows 8 phone next year.

I like the Android, but I agree with Thom, this desire to have every Android phone different just fragments the entire community. Would love to see Google try to make it so Android device makers use the standard OS and then each OEM can make sure it's optimized to their device.

If someone wants customization after that, there will always be apps that will do the job just as there is now.
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You guys are kidding right? Anything on a VZW network will have bloatware.
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You guys are kidding right? Anything on a VZW network will have bloatware.
I thought the iPhone didn't.
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I thought the iPhone didn't.
The ONLY exception. And that's simply cause Apple wouldn't bring it to VZW unless they skipped the bloatware. Every other phone has it.
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You guys are kidding right? Anything on a VZW network will have bloatware.
As far as I know iPhone doesn't, no Verizon logo and no Verizon bloat, Apple putting it's foot down on this issue is one of the reasons AT&T had it exclusively for so long.
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So you found ONE phone. WOO HOO! Here's a cookie. But it doesn't change the fact that every other phone on VZW's network has bloatware of some kind. All Android phones do. There hasn't been a true GED without bloatware in quite a while. I seriously doubt the W8 phones are going to escape. The only reason the iPhone did is cause Apple has THAT much pull.
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The ONLY exception. And that's simply cause Apple wouldn't bring it to VZW unless they skipped the bloatware. Every other phone has it.
I've never even played with a Windows phone, that's the reason I was asking
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My one non-moto phone was a windows phone. I had a sony ericson. It sucked. I hated it.
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I'm just thinking that the way things are going with Android fragmentation they might be worth a look in another year or so, I sure as heck don't want anything with a apple on it, but this Vzw Moto stuff has the potential to put one in a bad mood.
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Yea. I've decided I'm only buying unlockable devices in the future. I want to take control of it. Look how long the OG Droid survived. That was due to an active rom'ing community.
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It's stale, has only 2 chocolate chips in it, and I have no milk!
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Those aren't chocolate chips....these are, um.........wait for it.......you know what's coming......[Dr Evil]Gingerbread......cookies?
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So you found ONE phone. WOO HOO! Here's a cookie. But it doesn't change the fact that every other phone on VZW's network has bloatware of some kind. All Android phones do. There hasn't been a true GED without bloatware in quite a while. I seriously doubt the W8 phones are going to escape. The only reason the iPhone did is cause Apple has THAT much pull.
But wouldn't that be just one of two relevant OS's at this point? Blackberry from what I have heard may actually go under, and right now doesn't iOS and Android account for like over 90% of the market share?
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Sure, but, eventually VZW will get their claws into iPhone and muck it up with bloatware, as well. Just give them time. They're all about the greed.
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But wouldn't that be just one of two relevant OS's at this point? Blackberry from what I have heard may actually go under, and right now doesn't iOS and Android account for like over 90% of the market share?
Lol! I forgot about Blackberry and I use to own one, embarrassing!
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Sure, but, eventually VZW will get their claws into iPhone and muck it up with bloatware, as well. Just give them time. They're all about the greed.
I don't know. I think Apple would be willing to say goodbye to Verizon. I mean they were willing to stay with one carrier for quite a while and aren't even on all carriers yet.

And when AT&T got the iPhone originally they passed Verizon in total customers and didn't it take Verizon buying like Alltell to get the lead back?

I've just never seen Apple willingly give up total control over their products and I don't think they will in this case. And wasn't it Verizon they originally approached and Verizon said they wanted bloatware and Apple went to AT&T instead and was Verizon who agreed to the no bloatware to get the iPhone finally?
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Yes, and Samsung resisted locking the firmware on their most popular phone in the world, too. Oh, wait, no, they didn't. Don't count out VZW's greed. Ever.
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Yes, and Samsung resisted locking the firmware on their most popular phone in the world, too. Oh, wait, no, they didn't. Don't count out VZW's greed. Ever.
Oh I have little doubt you're right and Verizon will try, what I don't think will happen is Apple agreeing to it. I think they believe, and likely rightly so, that their customers will follow them if they left any one carrier so Apple wouldn't be the one taking any loss.
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You do understand that not even apple can release an update on VZW network phones without VZW's *APPROVAL* right? They can, and have, delayed updates that AT&T iPhones got over a month earlier. Don't underestimate VZW....ever.
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I thank a big thing people overlook is Android is open source software while iOS isn't. It might make a big difference if the bundling issue ever goes to court.
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You do understand that not even apple can release an update on VZW network phones without VZW's *APPROVAL* right? They can, and have, delayed updates that AT&T iPhones got over a month earlier. Don't underestimate VZW....ever.
it does? i've never heard of a new iOS version getting delayed.
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it does? i've never heard of a new iOS version getting delayed.
Apple delays iOS 4.3 for CDMA Verizon iPhone

Apparently you've never looked. That delay was due to VZW not signing off on it. The official explanation of "it uses a different baseband so it needed a separate update" is nonsense.
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Apple delays iOS 4.3 for CDMA Verizon iPhone

Apparently you've never looked. That delay was due to VZW not signing off on it. The official explanation of "it uses a different baseband so it needed a separate update" is nonsense.
No, you are misinterpreting. That story says nothing about Verizon not signing off on it. iOS4 had a separate build for CDMA (or, Verizon) iPhones and GSM iPhones and other iOS devices. 4.2.5 through 4.2.10 were all CDMA-only updates, provided in parallel with 4.3.1 through 4.3.5 (4.2.9 was released the same day as 4.3.4, for example; 4.2.10 the same day as 4.3.5.) Since iOS5, all Verizon iPhones (and iPads) have received the same update on the same schedule as all other iPhones (because, of course, Apple controls the distribution - not Verizon.)

If you have evidence that Verizon has the contractual ability to delay iOS updates, I'd love to see it.
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