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Old October 1st, 2012, 06:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rootable, apparently same security, rumor has it a patch to help upgrade to Jelly Bean has been included.

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6.7.247 added to Bionic Reference - Terms - Links.

Is 6.7.247 still locked and can it be root-ed?

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Is 6.7.247 still locked and can it be root-ed?

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Whats this all mean for us non tech savvy folk?
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Rootable, apparently same security, rumor has it a patch to help upgrade to Jelly Bean has been included.

When you say patch to help upgrade to JB, do you think this means we will still get ICS but they are preparing for an upgrade soon to JB or do you think they may just skip ahead to JB?
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Supposedly its a patch to help get to JB.
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So you think we may go straight from GB to JB and skip ICS altogether?
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So you think we may go straight from GB to JB and skip ICS altogether?
Sources are reporting that this is similar to what .905 was. 905 was a patch to facilitate the upgrade from GB to ICS.

Supposedly .247 was originally going to be a supplemental release to the full ICS build .246, but time was available to incorporate the patch into the full ICS build before it went OTA.

This would appear to me to be an indication that JB is a real possibility for the Bionic.
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You think thats why the delayed ICS? Maybe they will just release us JB as a surprise?
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I'm wondering why the time stamps on 6.7.247 are now KST (Korean Standard Time).

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I'm wondering why the time stamps on 6.7.247 are now KST (Korean Standard Time).

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I was wondering the same thing last night when I took the screen shot as almost all of the others have been in CDT.

*edit* I just posted this somewhere else to see if anyone might have a clue.
Seems to be a diff PC, it says w21529@zkr30lnxdroid18 #1 instead of hudsoncm@il93lnxdroid83 #1 in the Kernel version like the others.
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They wont be skipping ics. The existence of these leaks is proof. They are also slow so don't expect jb within 6 months. Frankly, froyo does everything all these other versions do. This hype to get the next version is foolish imo.
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... except for one thing ... it has the patch for the 4G data drops that is driving everyone (except us 3G-only people) nuts. There needs to be a "patching mechanism" to apply these more critical patches without waiting 3-6 months for the next big release.

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... except for one thing ... it has the patch for the 4G data drops that is driving everyone (except us 3G-only people) nuts. There needs to be a "patching mechanism" to apply these more critical patches without waiting 3-6 months for the next big release.

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It is my understanding that THAT is exactly what is holding everything up currently as they try to come to some new agreements with Verizon. My point was that due to the current way of doing things the ICS release is much more than cosmetic.

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It is my understanding that THAT is exactly what is holding everything up currently as they try to come to some new agreements with Verizon. My point was that due to the current way of doing things the ICS release is much more than cosmetic.

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You know, I've been wondering if that was the case. I didn't think it could take this long for ICS to be fixed for the Razr's and our Bionic's getting our ICS.
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I'll have to disagree, I think everything bad ever said about the Bionic is nullified by ICS.

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It's my understanding that Motorola started pushing ICS for Atrix 2 on the 26th and didn't want to do the Bionic at the same time so they did .247 to take care of a small bug and include the patch, but after so many ICS leaks I'm not putting my faith in any rumor. I guess we'll know when it's pushed out.
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I'll have to disagree, I think everything bad ever said about the Bionic is nullified by ICS.



It's my understanding that Motorola started pushing ICS for Atrix 2 on the 26th and didn't want to do the Bionic at the same time so they did .247 to take care of a small bug and include the patch, but after so many ICS leaks I'm not putting my faith in any rumor. I guess we'll know when it's pushed out.
Isn't the Atrix 2 an AT&T phone though?
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Isn't the Atrix 2 an AT&T phone though?
Yes but the OTA's are still pushed in stages by Motorola's servers once approved, not by Verizon or AT&T.
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Yes but the OTA's are still pushed in stages by Motorola's servers once approved, not by Verizon or AT&T.
The reason I brought it up though is perhaps AT&T doesn't demand as much bloatware or whatever as Verizon and perhaps Google is trying to get Verizon to change some things which wouldn't affect their phones they have on other carriers.
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Hey, I have a new theory. Everybody else in the world already has the ICS OTA for Bionic and this is all just a big conspiracy to keep me out of the loop!
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Hey, I have a new theory. Everybody else in the world already has the ICS OTA for Bionic and this is all just a big conspiracy to keep me out of the loop!
Dude. I got the OTA yesterday morning. I thought everyone did. Didn't you all notice the lack of dumb questions from me the last couple days??

Yeah.... just pulling your chain. Still rocking the gingerbread like a sucker...
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They wont be skipping ics. The existence of these leaks is proof. They are also slow so don't expect jb within 6 months. Frankly, froyo does everything all these other versions do. This hype to get the next version is foolish imo.

Really........ Froyo, C'mon bro.
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Frankly, froyo does everything all these other versions do.
Does Froyo support Cisco AnyConnect without rooting?

Gingerbread sure doesn't.

ICS does.
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You think thats why the delayed ICS? Maybe they will just release us JB as a surprise?
No, it has been stated more than once that the reason ICS was delayed was to avoid all of the issues that sprung up when they released ICS for the RAZR. This merely facilitates the eventual upgrade to JB when they finish working on JB as a final product for our phones. The fact that they included it in this leak, though, makes me (and many others) actually believe that JB is now a reality on these phones, although most of us are hedging our bets as to *WHEN* we'll actually see it.
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No, it has been stated more than once that the reason ICS was delayed was to avoid all of the issues that sprung up when they released ICS for the RAZR. This merely facilitates the eventual upgrade to JB when they finish working on JB as a final product for our phones. The fact that they included it in this leak, though, makes me (and many others) actually believe that JB is now a reality on these phones, although most of us are hedging our bets as to *WHEN* we'll actually see it.
You are very right about it being the original delay. However, after 2 months one would think they would have gotten the Razr's ICS bugs fixed (and could it be that the Razr's ICS bugs were caused by things Verizon required?) as well as the Bionic's ICS finished. And with several successful leaks that so many of you praise, and I believe you all about how good they are, it seems as if it's ready to go as far as being stable.

While I know I could be completely wrong, I can't help believe that now that Google owns Motorola's mobile division that they may very well be trying to use that increased strength to get Verizon to change some things, like getting rid of included bloatware or making it so we can uninstall it and not being required for an update. I think the fact that the ICS leaks allow freezing of bloatware is one indication that this is a real possibility cause I can't believe Verizon likes that idea.

As far as JB, I actually am optomistic that once Google gets Verizon to approve ICS on the Bionic we won't have to wait long on JB. I think Google wants to end the fragmentation of Android and what better way to set the example than on their own phones.
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The reason I brought it up though is perhaps AT&T doesn't demand as much bloatware or whatever as Verizon and perhaps Google is trying to get Verizon to change some things which wouldn't affect their phones they have on other carriers.
You would think I'm changing the subject every time this is brought up wildkitten, I have heard these rumors but would think the negotiations of two major companies (if they exist on these issues) wouldn't hold hostage the bionic OTA. Moto and Verizon are still adding new phones all the time.
If any of this ever was a leak, it's a well placed one by someone with a purpose.
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No, it has been stated more than once that the reason ICS was delayed was to avoid all of the issues that sprung up when they released ICS for the RAZR. This merely facilitates the eventual upgrade to JB when they finish working on JB as a final product for our phones. The fact that they included it in this leak, though, makes me (and many others) actually believe that JB is now a reality on these phones, although most of us are hedging our bets as to *WHEN* we'll actually see it.
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You would think I'm changing the subject every time this is brought up wildkitten, I have heard there rumors but would think the negotiations of two major companies (if they exist on these issues) wouldn't hold hostage the bionic OTA. Moto and Verizon are still adding new phones all the time.
If any of this ever was a leak, it's a well placed one by someone with a purpose.
Like I said, I could be completely wrong, just seems weird that our ICS hasn't been released yet with all these versions of leaks that seem to work so well, as well as the Razr's ICS fix being delayed as well. I was thinking of what many have said about the ability to freeze bloatware in ICS and Verizon maybe not liking it and both are sticking to their positions.
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Honestly, if Google is fighting to have Verizon make their bloatware uninstallable and not required for updates, then I would be very happy for it. To me that's not punishing us for what you said, but rather standing up for us.

The fact is Google needs to do this with carriers to get the same deal as Apple has. Apple doesn't allow it, and they don't have to get carrier approval to send out updates. Could you imagine if Microsoft had to go through Dell and HP and Acer and all of the computer manufacturers to allow them to send Windows Updates to people? Everyone would hate that.
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As far as JB, ... we won't have to wait long on JB.
I BELIEVE you are correct, but I am absolutely positive that as soon as ICS drops, there will be immediate posts complaining and whining about the delay in getting JB!!

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The big deal for me is that Bionic has always been marketed by both Verizon and Motorola as ICS ready or ICS compatible giving a perception that it would get ICS sooner rather than later, and here we are over a year later. No such promises were made about Jelly Bean.
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The quote was about JB and not ICS.

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In the ten years that I have had Verizon smartphones, one thing stands true. They are the slowest on updates of all the carriers, but they do release eventually.

I had a Samsung i500 that was out of off the radar for years. I only used it as a world phone occasionally. One day magically there was a new update for it. Of course, like many Samsung phones, this update bricked it, but the point is that some phones get updates long after they aren't "officially" supported anymore.
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To be honest Thom, I haven't seen any whining or complaining about getting or not getting JB. I've seen people talk about whether we will or not and be hopeful we will and speculate if we will go straight to JB, but that is far from whining and complaining.

I myself hope we get JB. Let's be honest, the Bionic can more than support it hardware wise. I also believe Google needs to be very proactive with the phones that are the product of the company they now own (Motorola) because of the fragmentation in the Android community and needs to be a leader showing that hey, if a phone can support it, put it on there.

Of course it's tougher for Google because each manufacturer has to present an OS build to the carrier for approval, something Apple doesn't have to do, and there are many many manufacturers whereas no one but Apple does iOS.

But while I (and others) wish for JB, no one was promised JB on the Bionic. I was however promised ICS for the Bionic and will complain about not getting it, but as I said before, speculating and wishing for JB isn't complaining.
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That's a good point about Motorola and Google. Also Blur has become a pretty lightweight platform so I would guess most of it revolves around getting the hardware to play nice with Android AOSP. We can only hope that Moto phones will someday be Nexus rated.
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That's a good point about Motorola and Google. Also Blur has become a pretty lightweight platform so I would guess most of it revolves around getting the hardware to play nice with Android AOSP. We can only hope that Moto phones will someday be Nexus rated.
I'm not understanding what you mean by "Nexus rated". No, the Bionic doesn't have an AMOLED screen, but hardware wise it's a very good phone still and I actually like the screen as much as I do an AMOLED screen.

Yes, we on the Bionic still have our 4G data issues, but let's not forget, so did the Nexus (and at one point all VZW 4G phones), and we are in the unfortunate position of having the patch that fixes these issues being included in our ICS release, at least it seems that way considering how ICS seems to have cleared those issues up for people that have installed it.
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I think what he means by "Nexus rated" is approved by Google, a stock vanilla Google OS, and Google handles the OTA's
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I think what he means by "Nexus rated" is approved by Google, a stock vanilla Google OS, and Google handles the OTA's
Is that true even with Nexus's purchased through the carrier or just the unlocked ones off the Play market? And if it covers the ones at the carrier as well, does that mean that the Nexus that VZW sells doesn't have Verizon bloatware?
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I think what he means by "Nexus rated" is approved by Google, a stock vanilla Google OS, and Google handles the OTA's
Exactly. If you follow the Rom'ing peeps do to get AOSP running on a Moto or any non Nexus phone, you will see that there is much tweaking needed to get things like BT and camera working. Many of the drivers are proprietary and not open source. Moto and such write them special to fit their hardware. I'm not implying anything about the quality or capability of the hardware. After all a Bionic outperforms previous AOSP phones like the Nexus and Google G1 etc phones.
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So I'm predicting the week of October 22 for ICS ota and it's my belief that it'll be 247. That build came out of nowhere and surprised a bunch of people. Kudos for moto on it though as it's one less update we'll have to wait for later. I'd expect to see jb in January sometime. The thing people don't get is that moto unified the ics builds across the razr d4 and bionic. This makes future updates far easier. JB won't be such a clustermess as ics has been. Hang in there... We're almost there.
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So I'm predicting the week of October 22 for ICS ota and it's my belief that it'll be 247. That build came out of nowhere and surprised a bunch of people. Kudos for moto on it though as it's one less update we'll have to wait for later. I'd expect to see jb in January sometime. The thing people don't get is that moto unified the ics builds across the razr d4 and bionic. This makes future updates far easier. JB won't be such a clustermess as ics has been. Hang in there... We're almost there.
Based on my reading of other forums to doubt Sam is folly (and can lead to a katana strike). He has a real handle on this subject but I do hope he is being conservative on the release date for ICS. A week earlier would be much better.
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Based on my reading of other forums to doubt Sam is folly (and can lead to a katana strike). He has a real handle on this subject but I do hope he is being conservative on the release date for ICS. A week earlier would be much better.
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I might even be slightly optimistic in that date, but, I hope not at this point. I think Moto figured that with the Atrix 2 ICS OTA pushing out, they had a window of opportunity to get one last ICS build done for Bionic. That pushes our date back a little but in the end is a positive thing as we won't have to have another build between now and the JB update. So a minor delay now (and really, given all the delays up to this point plus _11_ ICS builds so far, what's another week or two?) with a potential big gain later. I'd say the trade off is worth it if it solves an issue for us down the road.
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Dude. I got the OTA yesterday morning. I thought everyone did. Didn't you all notice the lack of dumb questions from me the last couple days??

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You are very right about it being the original delay. However, after 2 months one would think they would have gotten the Razr's ICS bugs fixed (and could it be that the Razr's ICS bugs were caused by things Verizon required?) as well as the Bionic's ICS finished. And with several successful leaks that so many of you praise, and I believe you all about how good they are, it seems as if it's ready to go as far as being stable.

While I know I could be completely wrong, I can't help believe that now that Google owns Motorola's mobile division that they may very well be trying to use that increased strength to get Verizon to change some things, like getting rid of included bloatware or making it so we can uninstall it and not being required for an update. I think the fact that the ICS leaks allow freezing of bloatware is one indication that this is a real possibility cause I can't believe Verizon likes that idea.

As far as JB, I actually am optomistic that once Google gets Verizon to approve ICS on the Bionic we won't have to wait long on JB. I think Google wants to end the fragmentation of Android and what better way to set the example than on their own phones.
You might be on to something there about the freezing of VZW apps and whatnot. I know that some but not all of the VZW apps are easily frozen, but there is also that stupid CallerID thing that cannot be frozen unless you run the app and decline to use it - at which point it freezes itself. Backup Assistant is another - 1 module can be frozen but the other two cannot. (I am not counting rooted methods of freezing because with root damn near anything is freezable).

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You would think I'm changing the subject every time this is brought up wildkitten, I have heard these rumors but would think the negotiations of two major companies (if they exist on these issues) wouldn't hold hostage the bionic OTA. Moto and Verizon are still adding new phones all the time.
If any of this ever was a leak, it's a well placed one by someone with a purpose.
I owuld put a lot more stock in these rumors than you think.

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Like I said, I could be completely wrong, just seems weird that our ICS hasn't been released yet with all these versions of leaks that seem to work so well, as well as the Razr's ICS fix being delayed as well. I was thinking of what many have said about the ability to freeze bloatware in ICS and Verizon maybe not liking it and both are sticking to their positions.
See what I wrote above. But there is more to it than that. We're so far behind the curve that the Moto Devs are working hard to bring us ahead of hte game with this latest leak.

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The big deal for me is that Bionic has always been marketed by both Verizon and Motorola as ICS ready or ICS compatible giving a perception that it would get ICS sooner rather than later, and here we are over a year later. No such promises were made about Jelly Bean.
There were plenty of computers that were labeled as Vista ready back in the day. I do not want a repeat of that (kind of a) fiasco lol.

But, yeah, I feel your pain. If I had not been brave enough to jump on new leaks like I was, I'd be one pretty frustrated brown smurf right now....

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In the ten years that I have had Verizon smartphones, one thing stands true. They are the slowest on updates of all the carriers, but they do release eventually.

I had a Samsung i500 that was out of off the radar for years. I only used it as a world phone occasionally. One day magically there was a new update for it. Of course, like many Samsung phones, this update bricked it, but the point is that some phones get updates long after they aren't "officially" supported anymore.
More recently, the Motorola DROID (OG) also got an update a full 2 years after release.

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To be honest Thom, I haven't seen any whining or complaining about getting or not getting JB. I've seen people talk about whether we will or not and be hopeful we will and speculate if we will go straight to JB, but that is far from whining and complaining.

I myself hope we get JB. Let's be honest, the Bionic can more than support it hardware wise. I also believe Google needs to be very proactive with the phones that are the product of the company they now own (Motorola) because of the fragmentation in the Android community and needs to be a leader showing that hey, if a phone can support it, put it on there.

Of course it's tougher for Google because each manufacturer has to present an OS build to the carrier for approval, something Apple doesn't have to do, and there are many many manufacturers whereas no one but Apple does iOS.

But while I (and others) wish for JB, no one was promised JB on the Bionic. I was however promised ICS for the Bionic and will complain about not getting it, but as I said before, speculating and wishing for JB isn't complaining.
While that is a logical conclusion, there has been plenty of whining about not getting JB, mainly b/c it has taken this long to get ICS....

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That's a good point about Motorola and Google. Also Blur has become a pretty lightweight platform so I would guess most of it revolves around getting the hardware to play nice with Android AOSP. We can only hope that Moto phones will someday be Nexus rated.
Let me put it this way: Blur is so lightweight on my phone in the ICS leaks that I haven't put a ROM on here since the first ICS leak was released. I've even tried Nova Launcher (Prime) and LPP (Premium) and even Apex launcher (Premium) - non of them are as fast and as nice as stock Blur. Of course, since with ICS I can create groups of apps on the fly, it's a lot easier to maintain access to apps I use all the time by way of groups in the dock *AND* the "frequently used" folder in Blur. Anything else I just search for.

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So I'm predicting the week of October 22 for ICS ota and it's my belief that it'll be 247. That build came out of nowhere and surprised a bunch of people. Kudos for moto on it though as it's one less update we'll have to wait for later. I'd expect to see jb in January sometime. The thing people don't get is that moto unified the ics builds across the razr d4 and bionic. This makes future updates far easier. JB won't be such a clustermess as ics has been. Hang in there... We're almost there.
I'm betting tha we see JB leaks right after Thanksgiving. And I say .247 is not final b/c the patches were written by a dev in Kor and need to be edited for CDT.

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Based on my reading of other forums to doubt Sam is folly (and can lead to a katana strike). He has a real handle on this subject but I do hope he is being conservative on the release date for ICS. A week earlier would be much better.
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He's been wrong before lol.... Insider info is only as good as the companies making the decisions....and they can change their minds in 2.3 nanoseconds.
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Yup, I don't have any relation to any of the companies involved. I have a couple sources of info but EVERYTHING is subject to change. That's why when people ask me if I can guarantee such and such build will become OTA I simply roll my eyes. No build is OTA until it is. EVERY build is potentially an OTA build until it isn't. As for the Kor thing I wouldn't be surprised if we see a lot more dev come out of there given the announcement today that Google's laying off even more people. That's not a sign that it won't be an OTA build. We need to see what's on the QA4 server....and keep an eye on it.
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