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Old November 28th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default If your phone sucks after ICS...

...SWAP IT.

Long story short i couldn't stand the lag and problems after ICS update... even after a full reset. So i called and complained, and couldn't get a new razr like someone else i saw, but they did send me another bionic.

Now that its up and running, im liking this phone again, and its usable again for me for a little while longer than before with the unbearable lag.

Guess the old phone had an issue where it couldn't handle an ICS update? or it never installed correctly?

just a fyi... guess not all bionics work swell with ICS. i was jealous of all the people loving ICS on this forum while i was tearing my hair out with lags.

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I am glad to see that your liking your bionic again. I think it is a great phone that still hangs with the latest and greatest.
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*shrug* I find stuff like this hard to believe. There's no reason the install of the new update should have behaved differently on one Bionic to the next. There was likely SOMETHING causing the issue that could have been remedied without needing a completely new device, but if that ended up being the simplest solution for you, awesome. From my time here at the forums the only thing I can think of is that it seems a lot of people treat their Bionic with a lot more "permanence" for lack of a better word, people install hundreds of apps and keep them all, people talk about never wanting their text messages to disappear, etc. I treat my phone like a dry erase board that is ready to be wiped clean at any moment. So installing updates has never caused a single hiccup for me. I have no idea what it would be like to accept a new Android Update if I had 200 apps on my phone, a bunch of conflicting software, years of emails and texts, hundreds of pictures, etc. As often as I remember to, I connect my phone to my PC and copy things that I want to keep, and then clear it off the phone. I'm not at all suggesting there is a right or a wrong way to use your phone, just saying in my experience it has never been an issue to fully reset my phone and start over, whereas many times when I see people dealing with weird issues that they can't resolve, they're usually the type who have layers upon layers of stuff loaded onto their phone.
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Actually I've been suffering ever since the 246 update. Most responses I get are telling me to reset the thing, which I've done numerous times. The lag comes back. The whole homescreen has to redraw all the icons and widgets, apps hang and then the phone eventually unfreezes.

Rebooting the device alleviates it for a little while but it comes back soon after.

The thing is--Motorola phones have a tendency to be this way. The Droid 2, Droid X, and Razr(my fiance's and my friend's) all seem to have these weird issues with overheating, freezing/rebooting, or lag. I'm going to buy a Galaxy Note 2 tomorrow, I'm going to give Moto a chance to get back on it's feet, I feel like they have put too many products out and they're losing quality.
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It would be nice to know what you were doing ...

"reset multiple times" ... what kind of reset?

Unfreezes ... are you rooted?

The whole process was very straight forward for many of us and the changes brought in by ICS were phi nominal with many-many bug fixes.

Did you install the OTA without interruption of any kind?
Did you do a Factory Data Reset after the installation?
Did you download the apps from Play Store again?
Did you refrain from any kind of mass app recovery from some backup you had?

What I ended up with was shat looked and felt like a brand new phone with most of the bugs fixed.

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Did full factory resets. Not soft.
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There might be an issue with the software one the phone and a FDR will not fix it. I would flash the 6.7.246 FXZ and start with a fresh system. you can follow the thread in my signature it gives you step by step.
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I guess out all boils down to what level of troubleshooting you are willing to deal with.
I say keep at it...elbow grease is free.
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Did full factory resets. Not soft.
What about the other listed items?

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*shrug* I find stuff like this hard to believe. There's no reason the install of the new update should have behaved differently on one Bionic to the next. There was likely SOMETHING causing the issue that could have been remedied without needing a completely new device, but if that ended up being the simplest solution for you, awesome. From my time here at the forums the only thing I can think of is that it seems a lot of people treat their Bionic with a lot more "permanence" for lack of a better word, people install hundreds of apps and keep them all, people talk about never wanting their text messages to disappear, etc. I treat my phone like a dry erase board that is ready to be wiped clean at any moment. So installing updates has never caused a single hiccup for me. I have no idea what it would be like to accept a new Android Update if I had 200 apps on my phone, a bunch of conflicting software, years of emails and texts, hundreds of pictures, etc. As often as I remember to, I connect my phone to my PC and copy things that I want to keep, and then clear it off the phone. I'm not at all suggesting there is a right or a wrong way to use your phone, just saying in my experience it has never been an issue to fully reset my phone and start over, whereas many times when I see people dealing with weird issues that they can't resolve, they're usually the type who have layers upon layers of stuff loaded onto their phone.
the sad thing is, i treat my phone the same way. which is why trying a full reset was no big deal, and which is why the ICS update frustrated me a lot. For the basics i use this phone, it was struggling for that.

why this happened and why changing the handset worked? i don't know... the old phone was fine before ICS. maybe there was a glitch when dl'n the ICS apk, that no matter how i re-installed it, it would lag. but it pissed me off that i had to wait 5 seconds for the basic phone call app to go through. i thought it was ICS because my original droid 1 lagged after certain updates. but i gave it another chance since people on this forum were loving the update.

i know im not on this forum enough for you to get an assumption of how i treat my phone, but i don't know why you jump to the conclusion that im one of "those" that you speak of. hell i don't even bother rooting cause i don't use anything that rooting does.
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One of the things that people who had trouble with ICS never say is go into detail about what happened during the install.

Thom asked Chmodx all sorts of specific questions, and yet all Chmodx said is he did full factory resets. Well, there is one quirk about the ICS install that is known, if you have a lot of multimedia files it can/will take a long time to build the database during install. Many people stopped the install because of this, and of course, that would mess it up.

Many other people restored backedup apps rather than installing those apps fresh off the play store and just importing the data those apps use back in. That can make a difference too.
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One of the things that people who had trouble with ICS never say is go into detail about what happened during the install.

Thom asked Chmodx all sorts of specific questions, and yet all Chmodx said is he did full factory resets. Well, there is one quirk about the ICS install that is known, if you have a lot of multimedia files it can/will take a long time to build the database during install. Many people stopped the install because of this, and of course, that would mess it up.

Many other people restored backedup apps rather than installing those apps fresh off the play store and just importing the data those apps use back in. That can make a difference too.
to be clear for what i did, i did try everything.
full reset. installed apps new (not automatic). blank memory card no memory, no media.

never rooted my phone ever. my apps don't even fill one screen of the phone.

i don't know why, maybe never will. if my returned phone goes back into circulation, then maybe whoever gets it can figure it out.
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to be clear for what i did, i did try everything.
full reset. installed apps new (not automatic). blank memory card no memory, no media.

never rooted my phone ever. my apps don't even fill one screen of the phone.

i don't know why, maybe never will. if my returned phone goes back into circulation, then maybe whoever gets it can figure it out.
Maybe so, but you also didn't answer Thom's question if you were using the battery, cable and charger that came with your Bionic.

It is quite possible that something happened to your phone and that it was faulty. But when people like Thom ask these questions, they aren't just trying to shift the blame, they aren't being apologists trying to vindicate the Bionic. So many times I have seen people with problems who, after blaming this or that, it came down to them using a non OEM battery, such as those 4000mA extended batteries, or using a different charger, say one that works with a different phone, but assume because it has the same mini USB plug that it must work just fine or that they pulled the battery during an upgrade or pulled the SD card during the upgrade.

I really think that people look at smartphones the same way that they looked at the old "dumbphones", that they are simple pieces of electronic equipment like an alarm clock and that turning it off and on can solve just about any problem. But the fact is these are computers, very powerful computers about as powerful as what were on desks just 10 years ago. While that can come with some very great benefits, it can also come with some very big headaches if we aren't careful with them.
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Maybe so, but you also didn't answer Thom's question if you were using the battery, cable and charger that came with your Bionic.

It is quite possible that something happened to your phone and that it was faulty. But when people like Thom ask these questions, they aren't just trying to shift the blame, they aren't being apologists trying to vindicate the Bionic. So many times I have seen people with problems who, after blaming this or that, it came down to them using a non OEM battery, such as those 4000mA extended batteries, or using a different charger, say one that works with a different phone, but assume because it has the same mini USB plug that it must work just fine or that they pulled the battery during an upgrade or pulled the SD card during the upgrade.

I really think that people look at smartphones the same way that they looked at the old "dumbphones", that they are simple pieces of electronic equipment like an alarm clock and that turning it off and on can solve just about any problem. But the fact is these are computers, very powerful computers about as powerful as what were on desks just 10 years ago. While that can come with some very great benefits, it can also come with some very big headaches if we aren't careful with them.
i agree with u, and also the other guy saying some people install an insane amount of apps to the phone and then complain about how slow android is. i guess there is just that population out there.

anyways, to answer that question i do have an OEM extended battery from the verizon store so i know its not a fake, and a OEM charger/cables. when the ICS update came, i did do that insane wait for the media refresh (had a 32gb card with music so i went to sleep waiting... was super hard to how anxious i was waiting for ICS). that also gave me the idea to do a reset without a media card in, because that gave me the idea that it screwed it up.
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i agree with u, and also the other guy saying some people install an insane amount of apps to the phone and then complain about how slow android is. i guess there is just that population out there.

anyways, to answer that question i do have an OEM extended battery from the verizon store so i know its not a fake, and a OEM charger/cables. when the ICS update came, i did do that insane wait for the media refresh (had a 32gb card with music so i went to sleep waiting... was super hard to how anxious i was waiting for ICS). that also gave me the idea to do a reset without a media card in, because that gave me the idea that it screwed it up.
See, that last part is making me suspect that is the real culprit. There is some sort of bug or quirk with that whole media database thing. It may be possible that somehow that bug affects things in some that maybe an FDR can't quite resolve, but I'm not sure if there are system files that the FDR doesn't touch, so not sure.
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See, that last part is making me suspect that is the real culprit. There is some sort of bug or quirk with that whole media database thing. It may be possible that somehow that bug affects things in some that maybe an FDR can't quite resolve, but I'm not sure if there are system files that the FDR doesn't touch, so not sure.
could be. i was tempted to do a battery pull when it was taking so long, but i didn't wanna screw it up so did the wait.

well if it did do it, then it was too late anyways and required a new handset. at this point its probably too late to warn anyone as everyone probably has the update rolled out, but hopefully anything from this thread helps.
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See, that last part is making me suspect that is the real culprit. There is some sort of bug or quirk with that whole media database thing. It may be possible that somehow that bug affects things in some that maybe an FDR can't quite resolve, but I'm not sure if there are system files that the FDR doesn't touch, so not sure.
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*shrug* I find stuff like this hard to believe. There's no reason the install of the new update should have behaved differently on one Bionic to the next. There was likely SOMETHING causing the issue that could have been remedied without needing a completely new device, but if that ended up being the simplest solution for you, awesome. From my time here at the forums the only thing I can think of is that it seems a lot of people treat their Bionic with a lot more "permanence" for lack of a better word, people install hundreds of apps and keep them all, people talk about never wanting their text messages to disappear, etc. I treat my phone like a dry erase board that is ready to be wiped clean at any moment. So installing updates has never caused a single hiccup for me. I have no idea what it would be like to accept a new Android Update if I had 200 apps on my phone, a bunch of conflicting software, years of emails and texts, hundreds of pictures, etc. As often as I remember to, I connect my phone to my PC and copy things that I want to keep, and then clear it off the phone. I'm not at all suggesting there is a right or a wrong way to use your phone, just saying in my experience it has never been an issue to fully reset my phone and start over, whereas many times when I see people dealing with weird issues that they can't resolve, they're usually the type who have layers upon layers of stuff loaded onto their phone.
This can and does happen. My droid x kept rebooting coming from Froyo to Gingerbread despite factory resets. I even went as far as doing an SBF back to froyo and re-downloading the gingerbread OTA update on a clean slate.

They wanted to send me a new one but in a last ditch effort I used the "Two file SBF" method to root gingerbread when it first came out and the droid x lived happily ever after.

Believe me, this does happen.
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