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Old July 12th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #601 (permalink)
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I have a feeling they did that due to all the problems they had with the Galaxy Nexus.
Not really. The gnex was locked also.

It really won't do anyone any good to trade the sgs3 in on a razr hd. If history is the best teacher, the downloader in it will be encrypted which is even worse than locked.

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One more benchmark sighting:

DROID RAZR HD Appears in GLBenchmark – Snapdragon S4, HD Screen Confirmed Again – Droid Life
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I took my S3 back. Looks like this is the next phone on my radar.
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I unsubscribed from the SIII Pre-Release thread - I'm waiting for the Moto. Waiting isn't something I do very well. Still not impressed with Samsung's Build Quality.

Hope everyone getting their SIII's really like them.
Nope, my S3 went back today. Weak radio, data drops, dim screen, and other issues. It was fast though.
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Man - now -I see this - and think of trying:

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Great device if you don't need to make a call.
However, a lot of people are having good luck with it. If you live in a fringe area, keep your receipt.
If your on the fence about a purchase, buy and try, but you'll pay a 10% restock fee. My error in purchasing cost me $37. No big deal.
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Great device if you don't need to make a call.
However, a lot of people are having good luck with it. If you live in a fringe area, keep your receipt.
If your on the fence about a purchase, buy and try, but you'll pay a 10% restock fee. My error in purchasing cost me $37. No big deal.
I'll have to disagree with you on this. A small percentage of people are having reception issues with the S3. A lot of people are looking at signal bars and dBm readings and assuming poor reception even if they haven't had any dropped calls or data issues. I don't know if there was a bad batch of phones or what, but it seems very odd that there are phones that are beating the Motos in side by side signal performance and phones that are actually worse than the Gnex on a bad day.

My S3's reception is as good if not better than my DX both in real world use and watching the signal strength it reports.

I do feel your pain though. I had a Samsung Saga before the DX and it was terrible at holding a signal. Dropped calls while sitting still if you turned your head the wrong way, and I'm not joking...

All this being said, IF the Fighter/Razr HD would have been a choice when VZN forced our hands to keep unlimited data, I probably would have chose to go with it based on my previous experience with the DX and Saga regardless of whether the S3 had great reception or not. So far, I am not regretting going with the S3.
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I'll have to disagree with you on this. A small percentage of people are having reception issues with the S3. A lot of people are looking at signal bars and dBm readings and assuming poor reception even if they haven't had any dropped calls or data issues. I don't know if there was a bad batch of phones or what, but it seems very odd that there are phones that are beating the Motos in side by side signal performance and phones that are actually worse than the Gnex on a bad day.

My S3's reception is as good if not better than my DX both in real world use and watching the signal strength it reports.

I do feel your pain though. I had a Samsung Saga before the DX and it was terrible at holding a signal. Dropped calls while sitting still if you turned your head the wrong way, and I'm not joking...

All this being said, IF the Fighter/Razr HD would have been a choice when VZN forced our hands to keep unlimited data, I probably would have chose to go with it based on my previous experience with the DX and Saga regardless of whether the S3 had great reception or not. So far, I am not regretting going with the S3.
I tried not to fall into the signal vs. bars thing, but when it came down to it, I've made called with my DX and my wifes Maxx in my bedroom for 1 year and have never dropped a call. I've had several dropped calls in the 4 days I had it.
On my hour long drive to work in weaker areas of only 3G, I'd get pauses in streaming radio playback with the S3. For the past year, streaming has been almost perfect with the DX.
What killed it for me was sitting in bed and the S3 says no connection and I verified I cannot connect to the internet, app store, etc while my wifes Maxx had 3 bars of 4G and was chuckelling at my "new" phone.
Even if it wasn't an issue, I do a lot of GPS use with the DX in my window. The S3 was very difficult to see the smaller road on google maps that were small gray lines. I just wasn't bright enough. That and due to my 1-hour drive each way to work, I stream to my car stereo all the time. Having to unplug the headphone to take a call was a pain also.
Just a few little things that added up to make it not worth it. Really, 9M pre-orders cant all have issues. I just did and will be hoping the Fighter/DC HD is better.
The 4G on the S3 was smoking fast though as well as with WiFi connected.
I've had a lot of issues with restarts with my DX, but have a feeling it needs to have a factory reset to clean it up again. So many things don't uninstall properly when dealing with device location, security, ect. Right now I'm having issues removing Avast.
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I have read what I could find on the Fighter, but haven't seen AMOLED vs. LCD yet. Anyone see a rumor on which way it will go?
I'm torn now between the two.
1) Love the color (really the black) of AMOLED. I have my phone about 1 foot from my head as an alarm clock and the lack of light from a true black is great.
2) The S3 is just too dim compared to a good LCD/IPS.
Guess I'd rather have a good LCD vs AMOLED which is contrary to what I've been wanting for the past 2 years since purchsing my DX.
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I have read what I could find on the Fighter, but haven't seen AMOLED vs. LCD yet. Anyone see a rumor on which way it will go?
I'm torn now between the two.
1) Love the color (really the black) of AMOLED. I have my phone about 1 foot from my head as an alarm clock and the lack of light from a true black is great.
2) The S3 is just too dim compared to a good LCD/IPS.
Guess I'd rather have a good LCD vs AMOLED which is contrary to what I've been wanting for the past 2 years since purchsing my DX.
I believe it is going to be AMOLED, if all the other devices Moto is putting out is any indication.
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I believe it is going to be AMOLED, if all the other devices Moto is putting out is any indication.
Ya, I've seen that writing on the wall. Hopefully it's brighter. Wish it had the OneX screen that I didn't want until I got the dim S3 screen
I "can" say I hope it's not Pentile, but the S3 was a sharp and beautiful screen. I would not care if the Fighter was pentile really.
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Ya, I've seen that writing on the wall. Hopefully it's brighter. Wish it had the OneX screen that I didn't want until I got the dim S3 screen
I "can" say I hope it's not Pentile, but the S3 was a sharp and beautiful screen. I would not care if the Fighter was pentile really.
As far as brightness goes all the current Moto phones with Amoled are pretty bright. Razr and Maxx have nice displays.

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So, maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe they are starting to use LCD now.
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I'm glad. It has truer color representation.
My only concerns about this phone, as of now, is how the camera will end up, and the battery size.
12+mp is cool and all, but I really want them to fix their lens issues. The Picasa pics didn't look like anything special. iPhone pics looked better than those

Aside from those concerns I'm stoked!

and can we stop talking about the S3?
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and can we stop talking about the S3?
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Not really. The gnex was locked also.
Ok I have to ask - what am I missing here? True the gnex shipped locked, but it was super simple to unlock, no?
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Ok I have to ask - what am I missing here? True the gnex shipped locked, but it was super simple to unlock, no?
Locked is different then encrypted.
Locked can be unlocked with simple tools. That is why you can root a locked phone before it is even released like the S3. When it is locked you can flash complete ROMs over the existing sytem to include kernals for like radio etc.
Encryped is not hackable. I.e. most VZW phones. S3! You can root, but cannot change the kernals. So, if you have piss poor reception and it's due to software processing, a ROM on a encrypted boot loader will not be able to change it.
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If the lower-quality cousin known as the Atrix HD can get a rave review (from BGR no less), hopefully the top-of-the-line RAZR HD will hit it out of the park/into the net (pick your sports metaphor)

Motorola ATRIX HD review: Motorola's $99 AT&T phone is a winner

And RAZR HD has DLNA Test Certificate:

http://certification.dlna.org/certs/REG75443576.pdf
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The atrix seems like a pretty good phone and not middle of the line.
4.5-inch high-definition display
dual-core 1.5GHz processor (I'm not sure if it is S4 though)
1GB of RAM
decent 8-megapixel camera
microSDHC support in addition to 8GB of internal memory
4G LTE connectivity
1780 mAh battery

That pretty much meet all my requirements, except a larger battery. Everything should have at least 2000+ now days. I will not buy a phone without a removable battery unless its huge! That is why the HOX never made my list.

The DF will have:
larger battery
slightly larger screen
larger camera

I hope the DF comes with 2gb ram. That was nice on the S3.
I usually don't take the looks of a phone as a purchase requirement unless it is really fugly, but the leaked DFighter is really nice.

Since i'm new to the Droid fighter / HD intrigue, the fighter and HD are the same right?
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Since i'm new to the Droid fighter / HD intrigue, the fighter and HD are the same right?
Fighter is the same as the RAZR HD and Vanquish...AFAIK They don't tell us anything
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After all the GS3 sales will there be anyone still buying when Razr HD releases? Certainly the dozen of us won't be enough.
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I personally think that there will be some moto fans that are holding out for this device... I just hope its worth the wait.
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I personally think that there will be some moto fans that are holding out for this device... I just hope its worth the wait.
Yep - I'm one of them. I was too burned by the GNex reception issues to stray from Moto without a really good reason. So I'm sticking to the DX until this thing comes out.

Or, you know, the next ice age. Whichever comes first.

Any day, Moto...
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Yep - I'm one of them. I was too burned by the GNex reception issues to stray from Moto without a really good reason. So I'm sticking to the DX until this thing comes out.

Or, you know, the next ice age. Whichever comes first.

Any day, Moto...
I too, am a hold out. If the Maxx HD lives up to the hype, I'll have one. If not, the GS3 will still be available, possible at a nice discount by then. Until then, my "X" is humming along like a champ. You guys have heard me say it before, my "X" is the best smartphone I ever had.

C'mon, Motorola/Verizon, throw us some info that we can chew on and discuss for awhile!

I remain, patiently/impatiently waiting for the Maxx HD,
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After all the GS3 sales will there be anyone still buying when Razr HD releases? Certainly the dozen of us won't be enough.
Ya, every sure snapped up the S3. They just release an update and I'm not sure if it was to help the weak radio. They do have a new unlocked verizon version coming from Samsung directly. However, I'm not huge into roms, mostly root for ad removal, tether, etc. I think I'll still hold out for at least the specks come out on the DF.
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Add me as another Moto holdout.

Through the years...I just had the best experiences with Moto phones...overall. Mainly with phone reception. I'm one of the few that actually uses these phones for calls....lol.

I do think the GS3 is ok, and I plan one having more than Moto phones on my family plan. But I think the RAZR HD will be my main phone.
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Add me as another Moto holdout.

Through the years...I just had the best experiences with Moto phones...overall. Mainly with phone reception. I'm one of the few that actually uses these phones for calls....lol.

I do think the GS3 is ok, and I plan one having more than Moto phones on my family plan. But I think the RAZR HD will be my main phone.
A resent article I read said that, at least in the UK, texting is more common then phone calls. I.e. people will text 6 times a day and make only 2 calls.
The US is probably not that far off.
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Great device if you don't need to make a call.
However, a lot of people are having good luck with it. If you live in a fringe area, keep your receipt.
If your on the fence about a purchase, buy and try, but you'll pay a 10% restock fee. My error in purchasing cost me $37. No big deal.

I live in KY and call range is just as good as the Droid 3 and Razr. The ironic thing is the Droid 3 smokes both the GS3 and Razr for 3G reception and range in regards to actual results. I would have waited to check out the HD, but despise fixed navigation bars taking up space on a smaller display. Being too easy to hit the buttons when playing games seals it for me. Gnex was awful with game emulators for this reason.

Added: Seems criminal really... A fixed nav bar taking up precious space.... It just ain't right.

Added 2: Fixed battery is not preferred either... Me thinks there will be a HD Maxx, two months after release
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So one of the phones on my accounts was lost and I was actually in Las Vegas when it happened. I decided to go for the Razr Maxx (Still holding out for the Razr HD for my line). Anyway, I decided to give my Gnex to the lost phone line and put the Maxx on mine.
The one thing I can say is: This thing is a BEAST!

The battery life is out of this world. I thought that I was a moderate to heavy (at times) user and I still couldn't get this damn phone under 40%

Basically, I ran out of things to do on the phone to drain the battery down below 40% by the end of the day (we're talking 21 hours of wake time for me) I just couldn't do it. The Google Navigation is the biggest battery hog that I know. I had that thing on for 45 minutes and it barely took out 7% of battery. That's insane.
I really liked the Gnex for the ICS and software buttons as well as the bigger screen. (my only complaint with the razr maxx)......but there's no freakin way I'm ever going back to samsung with their crappy battery life after traveling for hours with the maxx.

If you haven't tried the maxx and are holding out for the Razr HD try it and you'll NEVER go back to sub-3000 mah batteries ever again.

Can't wait for this phone to finally come out. It's gonna be a monster.

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I haven't missed my GNex once since I traded it for a Maxx. When VZW GNex gets the Jellybean OTA I might be a little bummed.
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Seems this HD will finally get NFC. Also has SVDO, but that was expected since I am guessing all the Qualcomm MSM8960 stuff will get that.

Motorola XT926 (DROID RAZR HD) Cruises Through FCC With Verizon Radios and NFC – Droid Life
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JB has been pretty much buttery awesomeness on the VZW Nexus since the day the GSM JB build was ported to the VZW Nexus a less than a day after I/O. Not all ports were 100% stable and really not sure any are yet even, but most have been and are good enough if you don't use your GNex as an extreme mission critical device.
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Seems this HD will finally get NFC. Also has SVDO, but that was expected since I am guessing all the Qualcomm MSM8960 stuff will get that.

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Woohoo! The one spec I most want to see is that battery. Usually one of the last specs to be confirmed though.
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Seems doubtful the HD will have as big a battery as the Maxx, but could be a little smaller and get similar battery life.
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Seems doubtful the HD will have as big a battery as the Maxx, but could be a little smaller and get similar battery life.
Insider over at howard forums basically said the Maxx was a mistake in being a post launch option. So this will either have a Maxx version on day one or be a Maxx sorta capability standard. Guess the Maxx wildly outsold the standard version once it hit and caused so much PR issue with OG RAZR buyers they know not to repeat.
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Insider over at howard forums basically said the Maxx was a mistake in being a post launch option. So this will either have a Maxx version on day one or be a Maxx sorta capability standard. Guess the Maxx wildly outsold the standard version once it hit and caused so much PR issue with OG RAZR buyers they know not to repeat.
If they drop the ball on the monster battery life I hope Moto bends over and takes it in the pants because after a battery like this there's just no going back. No way.
I've been using cellphones since 1998 and this is the first time I feel confident in leaving my home without a charger. There's just no knocking out this battery in a day. It punches back.
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Looking thru the FCC docs...I saw:

Battery 2530 mAh. Maybe its just for testing purposes....or there is gonna be two versions at launch? Its either this:

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Insider over at howard forums basically said the Maxx was a mistake in being a post launch option. So this will either have a Maxx version on day one or be a Maxx sorta capability standard.

And LTE Voice : Yes (3rd party VOIP clients only) Wonder what does this mean?
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Yeah. 2530mah to me sorta suggests a middle ground accounting for more power efficient second gen LTE chipset. Probably not as great overall as the Maxx, but wouldn't be so marginal battery wise so as to really get on peoples nerves if a Maxx did show up later. And allows for a "RAZR" thinness.

Hopefully there is a Maxx version at launch with something bigger than this also as the SIII isn't far off this in the 2000+mah stock range and is replaceable with probably 4000+mah aftermarket options about to hit. If 2530mah is going to be the ONLY option I am expecting the new ColorBoost LCD to be smallish. A SIII competitive sized LCD would just require more battery than this to challenge the current Maxx.
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Yeah. 2530mah to me sorta suggests a middle ground accounting for more power efficient second gen LTE chipset. Probably not as great overall as the Maxx, but wouldn't be so marginal battery wise so as to really get on peoples nerves if a Maxx did show up later. And allows for a "RAZR" thinness.

Hopefully there is a Maxx version at launch with something bigger than this also as the SIII isn't far off this in the 2000+mah stock range and is replaceable with probably 4000+mah aftermarket options about to hit. If 2530mah is going to be the ONLY option I am expecting the new ColorBoost LCD to be smallish. A SIII competitive sized LCD would just require more battery than this to challenge the current Maxx.
Torn between developer SIII or the HD. The battery should be good at 2500. My DX on the extended battery (1840) is good about 95% of the time. I'd like a removable for long airplane flights, but that is only a few times a year.
Lots of things are on the fence on a HD purchase.
1) Volume of speaker. DX sucks.
2) Screen brightness. SIII is dim.
3) BT and aux jack at the same time like my DX. SIII cannot do music through the headphone and BT calls at the same time?!

Not sure on the HD now that my DX has lost root with .621 update. I've always had root on the DX, but the last update somehow removed it and hasn't been broken yet. I fear more devices, HD, will be locked down pretty hard. I don't do roms often and don't really care if I can, but root is mandatory! My DX cant get root right now. Hence, my desire to just do a developer version of the verizon SIII direct from Samsung.
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First of all, Moto would have to really screw up for the HD not to rock.

As far as the GS3, the display does not get as bright as the Razr, but at full brightness, the Razr is too bright. There are two settings that are on by default that makes the GS3 look dim, but plenty bright once those settings are turned off. I fell "victim" to the settings and cried that a demo was dim, but turns out I was dim. The display on the GS3 is amazing and apparently the HD uses similar tech.

My GS3 performs a little under the Razr for 3G, but better with 4g. Call range is the same. The two trumps IMO for the GS3 is a replaceable battery and no fixed navigation bar hogging display space.
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First of all, Moto would have to really screw up for the HD not to rock.

As far as the GS3, the display does not get as bright as the Razr, but at full brightness, the Razr is too bright. There are two settings that are on by default that makes the GS3 look dim, but plenty bright once those settings are turned off. I fell "victim" to the settings and cried that a demo was dim, but turns out I was dim. The display on the GS3 is amazing and apparently the HD uses similar tech.

My GS3 performs a little under the Razr for 3G, but better with 4g. Call range is the same. The two trumps IMO for the GS3 is a replaceable battery and no fixed navigation bar hogging display space.
I am also concerned about the display size to device size relationship of the HD. Particularly with the onscreen NAV stuff. That means it really needs to be about a full 5" to match the SIII in remaining display real estate. The display tech of the Atrix HD seems to be as good or better than the Samsung AMOLED stuff so that should be good, but size could be an issue while not really getting a smaller device with the smaller display.
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I don't do roms often and don't really care if I can, but root is mandatory!
To me, ROMs are really where it's at if you have a device well supported by the different Dev teams. This is much less true if you have a less supported device. My wife for example has the Droid Charge and there is really nothing useful in the ROM world for that phone at all. You can really only get gussied up customized and repackaged TouchWiz stuff for it.

With my GNex though, even the VERY early GSM JellyBean based ports on day one of the JellyBean IO announcement were pretty much very usable and had all the butter Google promised earlier that day. When AOSP hit and everyone started building 4.1.1 stuff it was a bit less stable actually, but now everything is pretty good again.

Basically though can't see why one would see root mandatory, but not see a lot of value in unlocked BL and custom ROMs also.
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To me, ROMs are really where it's at if you have a device well supported by the different Dev teams. This is much less true if you have a less supported device. My wife for example has the Droid Charge and there is really nothing useful in the ROM world for that phone at all. You can really only get gussied up customized and repackaged TouchWiz stuff for it.

With my GNex though, even the VERY early GSM JellyBean based ports on day one of the JellyBean IO announcement were pretty much very usable and had all the butter Google promised earlier that day. When AOSP hit and everyone started building 4.1.1 stuff it was a bit less stable actually, but now everything is pretty good again.

Basically though can't see why one would see root mandatory, but not see a lot of value in unlocked BL and custom ROMs also.
1st thing I used to want root for is wifi tethering. I know there are apps now, one at least, that can do without root. However, the past week with no root has made me realize the worst thing without root is....
FREAKING POP UP ADS! Wow, I had forgot about how annoying it is in games, streaming apps, etc. I'd have to say blocking ads is just as important wifi tether.
Root on the SIII removes silly pop up notifications on WiFi, adds functionality to the phone, etc. Root, TO ME, is very important.
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1st thing I used to want root for is wifi tethering. I know there are apps now, one at least, that can do without root. However, the past week with no root has made me realize the worst thing without root is....
FREAKING POP UP ADS! Wow, I had forgot about how annoying it is in games, streaming apps, etc. I'd have to say blocking ads is just as important wifi tether.
Root on the SIII removes silly pop up notifications on WiFi, adds functionality to the phone, etc. Root, TO ME, is very important.
Yeah. But there are LOTS and LOTS of things you get with proper custom rom that are VERY handy. Stuff like WiFi tether exactly as Google intended, but without network really being able to track you doing it easily, toggles in the status pull down like Samsung TouchWiz(except whichever ones you want), custom NAV bar buttons for devices such as the RAZR HD will be, custom stock browser with stuff like UA spoof for desktop sites, and various other things that maybe are possible with just Root, but tend to work even better when built as part of a custom ROM.

Generally though any sort of customizing you might do with root is even better and can be more stable when built from the get go into a ROM.
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Youre not implying the HD will be unlocked/unencrypted are you. That will never happen.
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Youre not implying the HD will be unlocked/unencrypted are you. That will never happen.
Oh sorry. Not at all.

More suggesting there are probably limited reasons to WAIT around for it if you are ready to replace the DX. The Dev SIII is an awesome option really.

Moto did a Dev RAZR, but NOT VZW Droid one. I suppose there is a SLIGHT chance Samsung's move with the Dev SIII could give Moto bargaining power to offer such a competing device, BUT not sure Moto is interested in Dev devices in all reality.

Only real advantages I think you can count on Moto having are more premium material build and maybe reception/call quality. I expect reception and call quality advantages to be less pronounced with these two devices than normal though since both will use same baseband and such as far as we know.
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I expect reception and call quality advantages to be less pronounced with these two devices than normal though since both will use same baseband and such as far as we know.
I revise my earlier statement about battery size being my #1 burning question about specs. I've read the information above in several posts and am getting a little concerned. I'm speaking out of ignorance here...how do we know this? Is this new for Moto? If so, is there a possibility that Moto's stellar radio performance could suffer with this tech? I would be so bummed.
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I revise my earlier statement about battery size being my #1 burning question about specs. I've read the information above in several posts and am getting a little concerned. I'm speaking out of ignorance here...how do we know this? Is this new for Moto? If so, is there a possibility that Moto's stellar radio performance could suffer with this tech? I would be so bummed.
Not at all. Moto won't suffer so much as Samsung will become a lot more competitive with them. The last several Samsung device have used basebands that are known to be pretty crappy for CDMA use and had LTE internally developed by Samsung and of probably less that leading grade. Moto used Qualcomm all along for their CDMA baseband and has used their own GSM/LTE baseband. Troubles with development of the Moto GSM/LTE baseband was the reason Bionic was delayed so long.

This year everything will be using a more or less total Qualcomm setup as Qualcomm has the Krait snapdragon core that is going to be the best processor until ARM A15 stuff shows up next year. They also integrated this core with their baseband chip on one chip. This is a pretty "ahead of the game" component if you will, so companies would foolish to use anything else this year really.

Moto's advantage with voice reliability and call quality are partially antenna and component integration know how along with proprietary software/firmware tuning know how so they will probably still have some advantages in these respects. It's just that they will now be using the same components as Samsung on Verizon, where as in the past couple years Samsung has been using some very inferior components for Verizon products, probably to save cost and increase margin on these more or less one off device specially for VZW. With the SIII they got Verizon to take a device that is really very similar to what they are selling AT&T and Sprint(not sure there are even any actual hardware differences so much as software and radio firmware) so there was less reason to cut corners on component costs and sourcing.

Really feel though picking the RAZR HD over SIII choice is going to be more about less plastic build this time around rather than differences in call reception and quality that became the bigger deal with RAZR and GNex. Samsung will just be A LOT closer this time around in that regard.
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Here is a good explanation of why Samsung stuff on VZW has been crap for CDMA reception. And it's not like they have been totally worthless. My GNex works fine for me, but I live in COMPLETE 3G and near complete LTE covered area. I just never hang out where there might be a bit troublesome signal, even for a poor baseband.

The Radio Performance Disparity of the Galaxy Nexus on GSM and CDMA - Mobile Central - Binary Outcast

SIII has the newest and best Qualcomm baseband. Moto has been using Qualcomm CDMA basebands all along and also has a lot of antenna and baseband firmware know how that give it an even better advantage. Once you are talking same basebands though, that advantage is less quantifiable/noticeable in daily use than what many found between GNex and RAZR.
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Many thanks Jasaero. That was fabulous info.
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