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Old July 25th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #651 (permalink)
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Not a problem dude. I am a Moto fan from the OG Droid myself. I like how they just feel more substantial and expensive than most other brands. They also really do seem to have more reliable cellular connection, primarily at the limits of a signals ability to be usable.

I don't need the signal capability, but have some hope there will be something new and unique about the RAZR HD to get me excited about Motorola's future again. I am a sucker for big displays so probably could have ended up with the RAZR if it had been a larger display device while not being any bigger. Seemingly the large bezel was to hit that magically RAZR thinness to validate the naming. I am just confused why you focus so much on that aspect, but then leave a big hump for the camera?? Basically hoping some of these nuanced and somewhat intangible aspects of the RAZR's design that turned me off are somehow addressed by the HD.

Samsung is really hard to not prefer these days though if you want a big display and have a smartphone a lot more for the smart aspect than the phone aspect. And really with the SIII I think connectivity concerns most had with VZW GNex have probably been addressed by the use of a Qualcomm baseband. I just don't need a new device at the moment. Chances are though my wife and I will be looking more at Note variety devices by the time we are looking to replace ours hopefully. Maybe Moto will have an answer to that phablet segment by then?

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Yeah, when I saw all the press when Note launched I really wanted VZW to get it. I like big displays too. But someone in my office just got a Note on AT&T last month and I gotta say, it's too big for me. Didn't think I'd have that reaction.

You know if Samsung came out and said "Yes VZW customers, your Galaxy Nexus sucked. We understand your frustration. We promise you the SGSIII is awesome and you won't have the trouble with it you had with the Galaxy Nexus"...well then I might consider it. But that damn phone was frustrating. I'm starting to not trust user reviews. Too many...uh...I better stop there.
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Yeah, when I saw all the press when Note launched I really wanted VZW to get it. I like big displays too. But someone in my office just got a Note on AT&T last month and I gotta say, it's too big for me. Didn't think I'd have that reaction.

You know if Samsung came out and said "Yes VZW customers, your Galaxy Nexus sucked. We understand your frustration. We promise you the SGSIII is awesome and you won't have the trouble with it you had with the Galaxy Nexus"...well then I might consider it. But that damn phone was frustrating. I'm starting to not trust user reviews. Too many...uh...I better stop there.
Yeah. I know what you are saying. And I actually think there may have been some more quality sorta issue with the baseband or something on the GNex even on top of the fact it was just a weak component in the first place. I only say this because I have read things of issue with the GNex that I am pretty sure go way beyond anything I have experienced with mine and can't see any reason they would exaggerate such a thing.

Samsung's nonCDMA stuff has been a lot less of an issue and have given them plenty of business. They probably figure fessing up they offered halfazzed stuff to VZW and Sprint peeps prior to SGSIII would hurt the brand more where they have been fine than what it would be rewarded in sales of SGSIII on those networks. I totally understand how the GNex might really have soured many on Samsung though. I dread 3g only use on my GNex. Luckily I rarely have to worry about that as I have great LTE almost everywhere I frequent.
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Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

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Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

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I wouldn't worry too much about this. It was discussed a few posts back. The 28nm Qualcomm SOC most likely getting used in this device should be MUCH more power efficient than the stuff used in RAZR and RAZR Maxx. So you should be getting better bang for your mah buck if you will. It's probably not quite going to match the Maxx, but doubt there will be many that feed the need for more after a hard day exploiting this device. I don't think it's a huge deal if there is no Maxx version when this is the standard battery, but there could be a Maxx version also I suppose, but 2530mah will be plenty sufficient enough that most aren't going to raise pitchforks when/if a Maxx version is eventually offered.

My guess is this is a choice to keep the RAZR HD true to the RAZR aspect of the name while also making a Maxx version less necessary. Can't really criticize this at all if it's the standard size, and this is brilliant if there is a Maxx with closer to 4000mah than 3300mah.
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Going to be disappointed if it is a 2530mAH non-removable battery.

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I heard/read some time back that the 2nd generation LTE radios would be much more efficient when it comes to thier power consumption. Therefore a 2530mAh battery should be roughly the equivalent of a 3300mAh battery in a phone with 1st generation radios.

However, I would still prefer a removable/replacable battery.
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I heard/read some time back that the 2nd generation LTE radios would be much more efficient when it comes to thier power consumption. Therefore a 2530mAh battery should be roughly the equivalent of a 3300mAh battery in a phone with 1st generation radios.

However, I would still prefer a removable/replacable battery.
This is true. This will be pretty firm for standby battery life, but most are hoping for a larger display and it may also return to a nonpentile LCD that would possible suck a decent bit more juice than pentile or AMOLED. So I tend to see this size choice as mostly a middle ground that will be plenty to keep most going all day rather than something that will really match the Maxx with lots of screen on time sorta heavy usage.
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Do you guys think this will be an option for the HD?
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You beat me to it. I don't think so though...
The Sprint, ATT and other S3 phones are unlocked already. I think you might see other carriers (sprint) offer unlocked versions, but VZW will lock it down even if the identical phone exists on other carriers, i.e. the Galaxy S3. One can hope though. Moto was going to unlock the Razr, but as far as I know, not yet.
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My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?
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My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?
When phones get this big, a mm isn't going to make a difference really. Maxx, HD, S3, are all just big phones. It comes down to you just holding the device. The S3 is comfortable, my wife's max is pretty square. The HD looks nice from the back, rounded. It might be a decent profile.
2550 in the HD with the S4 chip should be plenty and fair nicely with the Maxx. I'll probably buy it, but I'll still complain about it not being removable.
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My first smartphone was the Orig Droid Inc and the same one I am still using, have never used another phone. Since my contract has expired and I'm over 2 yrs, I am seriously thinking of getting a little larger screen for my next phone.

I'm so use to my 3.7 Amoled screen, so clear and crisp. I thought I'd jump on the new Inc 4G but realize that 3.7 to 4.0 is not really much difference.

I was thinking of the Razr Maxx because it's amoled which I am use to but am concerned the pixel is not as high as it could be and some reviews say text is not so crisp. I love the fact it has the 3300mh battery. The most important thing to me for my next phone is battery.

I was wondering if I should wait for the Razr HD or just get the Razr Maxx. I just don't want a phone that is too big such as the S3. I also don't want to get the Maxx because the phone has been out for awhile and want to get somewhat newer specs. I went to Verizon and played with the Razr Maxx, compared to my Inc1 is did feel bigger but after playing with it for almost 10 mins it didn't seem so big after all. I never thought I'd say I want a larger phone but 3.7 is getting a little tiny for my eyes but 4.8 is too big for my pocket.

Do you think the Razr HD will be about the same size as the Razr Maxx in terms of physical size (not screen) but size of the phone width/height?
No one has a clue on this aspect yet. Have you played with an S3 though?? It's about the same size as a RAZR Maxx. I haven't yet, but this review here has plenty of pictorial size comparisons and it looks VERY close to the same size as the Maxx. The RAZR's are HUGE surface area wise for only having 4.3" screen because they have LOTs and LOTs of bezel. The S3 is 2 tenths of an inch taller and not quite a tenth of an inch wider, but it has rounder corners so my impression is it would fit hands and pockets just as easily as the RAZR Maxx 99% of the time.

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When phones get this big, a mm isn't going to make a difference really. Maxx, HD, S3, are all just big phones. It comes down to you just holding the device. The S3 is comfortable, my wife's max is pretty square. The HD looks nice from the back, rounded. It might be a decent profile.
2550 in the HD with the S4 chip should be plenty and fair nicely with the Maxx. I'll probably buy it, but I'll still complain about it not being removable.
Exactly and this is the WHOLE reason I am curios about the screen size on the RAZR HD. They will NOT go much bigger than S3 in overall size I do not believe. But I for the life of me can't decide if that means 4.5" screen or 4.8" or what as it will have the ICS onscreen nav stuff and it will HAVE to be bigger than 4.3 due to that. But to have a 4.7" screen even with nav buttons, but then be the same size as the SIII over all would be a good bit less screen and just as much device to shoehorn in a pocket.
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The two pictures from my earlier posted review that say it all.





Seem so close in size as devices, but screen size comparison alone in dark is so massively different in a way you could almost swear it was not the same two devices.
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No one has a clue on this aspect yet. Have you played with an S3 though?? It's about the same size as a RAZR Maxx. I haven't yet, but this review here has plenty of pictorial size comparisons and it looks VERY close to the same size as the Maxx. The RAZR's are HUGE surface area wise for only having 4.3" screen because they have LOTs and LOTs of bezel. The S3 is 2 tenths of an inch taller and not quite a tenth of an inch wider, but it has rounder corners so my impression is it would fit hands and pockets just as easily as the RAZR Maxx 99% of the time.

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That's why I couldn't get the Razr. It reminds me of the old plasma tvs with the 6" bezels. The sales guy in the corporate store kept saying "but look how thin it is", and I kept saying "but see how big it looks."
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That's why I couldn't get the Razr. It reminds me of the old plasma tvs with the 6" bezels. The sales guy in the corporate store kept saying "but look how thin it is", and I kept saying "but see how big it looks."
Yeah. It really wasn't the greatest device design in the sorts of compromises they made. And too me the thinness was silly also as it still had the camera hump, yet the camera in the hump is nothing special at all compared to the devices it was competing with. I would have SORTA got it if it didn't have the camera hump, but would still been with you saying "but look how big it looks". And the squareness of it just makes it even worse when trying to use it one handed. That squareness is fine in a tiny device like the iPhone, but ergonomic shapes are needed as you get toward the limits of hand size.
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This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?
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This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?
No clue on that yet for certain, but the pictures of the RAZR HD Droid-Life was forced to take down seem as thick or maybe even a bit thicker than the RAZR Maxx. We now know it only has a 2530mah battery though. This could mean it has improved that aspect. They also seem to have moved USB and HDMI to the side again also and that may be the reason for the smaller battery. So who knows. That seemed to be a common compliant about RAZR though so I would think they would have tried to improve that aspect. Somehow doubt it has caught upto Samsung on minimal bezel though.
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This is what I meant to say, when I was trying out the Razr Maxx at the Verizon store, I noticed right away that there was too much bezel surrounding the screen. Maybe it's because of the large mh battery but for the size of the phone it didn't match up with the size of the screen. When they designed it they could have actually made the phone smaller in dimensions while keeping the same 4.3 screen.

Do we know if the Razr HD will correct this?
The Atrix HD is just about the same size and has a larger screen so you know the bezel is thinner.

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As far as brightness goes all the current Moto phones with Amoled are pretty bright. Razr and Maxx have nice displays.



So, maybe I was wrong about that. Maybe they are starting to use LCD now.
With the developer S3 coming and the Fighter not having a date on the wall, I went to the VZW store "again" to play with the S3. It's parked next to a Razr. I put the same color LCD app on both phones and cycled through red, blue, green, gray, and black. The Razr is noticeably brighter than the S3. So, learned three things:
1) Hate to say, I won't do the S3 developer for sure. The screen is too dim.
2) If the Fighter is the same as the Razr, it will be better than the S3 which is good. Not on par with my DX LCD, but it makes me feel better none the less. If the Fighter goes LCD, all the better. I've always wanted a nice black screen from Amoled, but have now determined that brightness tops blackness.
3) Now I'm forced to wait for the hopefully better Fighter. The S3, the Almost Phone.
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What this picture shows me is the Razr screen is larger than the Atrix HD. Why? If the tops are aligned, and you look at the display and compare the size based on the on screen displayed area and NOT the space consumed by the Atrix soft keys....the Razr is larger. I know everyone wants soft keys as Google intended, but it makes the displays smaller since the soft keys consume valuable space.
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What this picture shows me is the Razr screen is larger than the Atrix HD. Why? If the tops are aligned, and you look at the display and compare the size based on the on screen displayed area and NOT the space consumed by the Atrix soft keys....the Razr is larger. I know everyone wants soft keys as Google intended, but it makes the displays smaller since the soft keys consume valuable space.
This is always going to be the case with the soft keys. The only time they go away is during videos and some games. A 4.5" screen will typically become a 4.3" or 4.2" screen with soft keys.

The benefit of the soft keys is that much like other things they can be modified. If you want the search icon, it can be added. Want to change the order of the keys? You can. Want to change the way the keys look? You can do that too. It is more or less just an extra bit of customization that can be done on the phone.
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Wow, your right, seeing it in pics like this those soft keys do take up vaulable screen space. I noticed this the first time ICS came out and thinking why are we losing screen space with keys like this?

I like the dedicated fixed keys on the Razr Maxx a bit better but realize this was needed for GB.

I think the Atrix HD is a pretty nice looking phone, if I was on ATT, I'd be tempted to get it.
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This is always going to be the case with the soft keys. The only time they go away is during videos and some games. A 4.5" screen will typically become a 4.3" or 4.2" screen with soft keys.

The benefit of the soft keys is that much like other things they can be modified. If you want the search icon, it can be added. Want to change the order of the keys? You can. Want to change the way the keys look? You can do that too. It is more or less just an extra bit of customization that can be done on the phone.
I agree, but if you get a locked and encrypted BL and really zero support for custom builds of Android they aren't that easily modded. I'm sure they can be with just root, but not a huge fan of having to hack such mods into a factory build.

Also, I tend to feel if you do want to go this route you need to try and fit a larger screen than intended competitors. This was the case with the GNex. GNex was also intended to be easily modded as you point out from the get go.
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With the developer S3 coming and the Fighter not having a date on the wall, I went to the VZW store "again" to play with the S3. It's parked next to a Razr. I put the same color LCD app on both phones and cycled through red, blue, green, gray, and black. The Razr is noticeably brighter than the S3. So, learned three things:
1) Hate to say, I won't do the S3 developer for sure. The screen is too dim.
2) If the Fighter is the same as the Razr, it will be better than the S3 which is good. Not on par with my DX LCD, but it makes me feel better none the less. If the Fighter goes LCD, all the better. I've always wanted a nice black screen from Amoled, but have now determined that brightness tops blackness.
3) Now I'm forced to wait for the hopefully better Fighter. The S3, the Almost Phone.
In general I like LCD better also, but not really for brightness. I find that AMOLED's superior contrast means it needs FAR less brightness to match LCD outdoor readability. I just like LCD better because they seem to have more accurate color and are capable of better resolution than my eyes can resolve.
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Do you feel that since Motorola released the Atrix HD with an LCD display that they will do the same with the Razr HD? Wouldn't the LCD use more battery than the Amoled? Since we know the battery is less than the Razr Maxx I would think they would want to conserve as much power as possible on the Razr HD.

I think the 1.5 Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor will be a huge plus on this phone. It looks to perform fantastic on the Atrix HD.
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Do you feel that since Motorola released the Atrix HD with an LCD display that they will do the same with the Razr HD? Wouldn't the LCD use more battery than the Amoled? Since we know the battery is less than the Razr Maxx I would think they would want to conserve as much power as possible on the Razr HD.

I think the 1.5 Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor will be a huge plus on this phone. It looks to perform fantastic on the Atrix HD.
The battery is smaller than the Maxx, but larger than the OG Razr. You have to keep in mind that this is being marketed (or will be anyway) as the successor to the Razr and not necessarily the Razr Maxx. At this point there is also no telling if there will ever be a Razr HD Maxx or Razr Maxx HD.

As far as the screens go, Amoled is more power efficient when you are dealing with a lot of black. If you spend time reading black text on a white background then LCD is actually better on battery. I doubt most people see the difference in battery life between the two though. LCD is easier to see in direct sunlight than Amoled. Super Amoled and Super Amoled Plus screens take care of this, but of course they are more expensive and primarily come from Samsung. Amoled does, however, offer better contrast ratio than LCD and the color reproduction is better as well.

In the end the difference in battery size between this and the Razr Maxx should be a wash. The S4 is much more power efficient as are the new gen LTE radios. Also, any time you use the screen you are consuming battery and there is no way around that. If the battery can last for more than 20 hours with reasonable use then it should work for most. I've seen people claim that they can burn through the Maxx's battery in 8 hours and others that say they get 60 hours out of a single charge. It is all in how you use it.
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Do we know based on previous phones, when a phone gets to the fcc how long after that does it take for the phone to get to market? Would it be a 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? Could we possibly see this phone by the end of august?
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I've seen the delay after the FCC postings range from 3 weeks to over 2 months, so no way to tell.
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It was mentioned on another forum by someone known to have connections to Moto that the Maxx will be the battery life king for some time. BUT, the HD shouldn't be so far off. Obviously some of us refuse to buy permanent battery phones and are running near 4000mah humpback aftermarket options so that's not really the full truth either if some OEMs continue to do removable batteries.

No hints on screen tech though. My guess is LCD.
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It was mentioned on another forum by someone known to have connections to Moto that the Maxx will be the battery life king for some time. BUT, the HD shouldn't be so far off. Obviously some of us refuse to buy permanent battery phones and are running near 4000mah humpback aftermarket options so that's not really the full truth either if some OEMs continue to do removable batteries.

No hints on screen tech though. My guess is LCD.
I hope LCD also. Although 3000+ would be great, I think with todays new S4 and 2500 should be better than the S3 with 2100 even with LCD vice AMOLED. Throw in a smaller Fighter screen than S3 and I think the fighter should get a heavy user through the day and a light user through two days.
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If it's encouraging at all, or useful for setting expectations, I have a 4.7" 720p LCD and an S4 processor driven by a 2000 mAh battery.

I average about 10% battery consumption per hour of screen on time with wifi.
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In general I like LCD better also, but not really for brightness. I find that AMOLED's superior contrast means it needs FAR less brightness to match LCD outdoor readability. I just like LCD better because they seem to have more accurate color and are capable of better resolution than my eyes can resolve.
I have found this as well. The S3 in reality turns out to be far more usable and readable than my DX. Also, the S3's auto brightness curves suck in favor of trying to maximize batterry life. I'm using Lux and defined my own brightness curves.

Also, if you compare a RAZR and S3 side by side and you disable the auto brighteness on both and turn them both up to maximum, the brightness is nearly identical. Make sure power save mode is off and make sure you are *not* using the stock browser on the S3 as it has it's own special brightness control which overrides the global one and even messes up third party controllers like Lux.
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I have found this as well. The S3 in reality turns out to be far more usable and readable than my DX. Also, the S3's auto brightness curves suck in favor of trying to maximize batterry life. I'm using Lux and defined my own brightness curves.

Also, if you compare a RAZR and S3 side by side and you disable the auto brighteness on both and turn them both up to maximum, the brightness is nearly identical. Make sure power save mode is off and make sure you are *not* using the stock browser on the S3 as it has it's own special brightness control which overrides the global one and even messes up third party controllers like Lux.
I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
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I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
It's hard to say. They are both VERY similar display tech. If the S3 has any less brightness capability to RAZR it's a compromise for display life, battery life, or something related to the higher pixel count and density on the S3.

I think the real point though is that if you are after outdoor readability as your concern when comparing brightness, you have to also account for differences in contrast capabilities that LCDs just can't match since they do not have individually lit pixels. Also you can't really compare solid color brightness tests to get any idea of how contrast will help outdoor readability. LCD's can get really bright, but the brighter you set them the more horrid their contrast tends to get as the LCD just can't be opaque where you don't want backlighting. Basically, point being AMOLED is often equal or better to VERY VERY bright LCD's out doors simply because it can create extreme contrast variations and ends up not needing to over power the sun to the same degree as an LCD.
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I'll have to disagree with you on this. A small percentage of people are having reception issues with the S3. A lot of people are looking at signal bars and dBm readings and assuming poor reception even if they haven't had any dropped calls or data issues. I don't know if there was a bad batch of phones or what, but it seems very odd that there are phones that are beating the Motos in side by side signal performance and phones that are actually worse than the Gnex on a bad day.

My S3's reception is as good if not better than my DX both in real world use and watching the signal strength it reports.

I do feel your pain though. I had a Samsung Saga before the DX and it was terrible at holding a signal. Dropped calls while sitting still if you turned your head the wrong way, and I'm not joking...

All this being said, IF the Fighter/Razr HD would have been a choice when VZN forced our hands to keep unlimited data, I probably would have chose to go with it based on my previous experience with the DX and Saga regardless of whether the S3 had great reception or not. So far, I am not regretting going with the S3.
The fortunate thing is that VZW is not forcing those of us with unlimited that didn't pull the trigger to switch to the new plan. Every time I go online to look at upgrading it allows me to retain my current plan. Not sure how long it will last? And this does work because a friend of mine just did it a week ago purchasing the S III and keeping his unlimited data.
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It's hard to say. They are both VERY similar display tech. If the S3 has any less brightness capability to RAZR it's a compromise for display life, battery life, or something related to the higher pixel count and density on the S3.

I think the real point though is that if you are after outdoor readability as your concern when comparing brightness, you have to also account for differences in contrast capabilities that LCDs just can't match since they do not have individually lit pixels. Also you can't really compare solid color brightness tests to get any idea of how contrast will help outdoor readability. LCD's can get really bright, but the brighter you set them the more horrid their contrast tends to get as the LCD just can't be opaque where you don't want backlighting. Basically, point being AMOLED is often equal or better to VERY VERY bright LCD's out doors simply because it can create extreme contrast variations and ends up not needing to over power the sun to the same degree as an LCD.
The SGS3 doesn't seem equal to the GNex in sunlight performance, neither seems to match what the One X LCD can do.

I think that for the Fighter, it's going to be more about the specific panel that they choose rather than the technology.

In my opinion.
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I think we are gonna hear something this week moto announced 2 today the defy xt and the electrify 2 so that's all the carriers except Verizon
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The SGS3 doesn't seem equal to the GNex in sunlight performance, neither seems to match what the One X LCD can do.

I think that for the Fighter, it's going to be more about the specific panel that they choose rather than the technology.

In my opinion.
Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out that sunlight performance can't be checked properly without putting both in the sun mostly. And that which is brightest won't always translate to most sunlight readable even if it's the most important factor.

It really does seem that AMOLED in general can vary a lot on various performance metrics depending on some sorta design/pixel life parameters though where as LCD is more mature and you can design to some pretty specific performance requirements at the cost of fewer others. You can get extreme small pixels and similar brightness, contrast, and color for example and only cost some extra power and maybe thickness. With AMOLED it seems there is more of a box you are in and try to tweak to the corners of rather than almost being able to pick some specification never before bothered with out of the thin blue sky and go for it.

Now there are drawbacks obviously as can be seen with the latest iPad that got sorta huge compared to the previous in the effort to shoehorn a retina LCD AND LTE into it.
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Just read about those phones. Hope we hear something in the next week or two
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Doubting this is the shipping back cover so much as some value option to development devices. Not sure why the pattern even then though??
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Doubting this is the shipping back cover so much as some value option to development devices. Not sure why the pattern even then though??
First thing that I thought was that they will be selling an exciting new line of cases and covers!
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First thing that I thought was that they will be selling an exciting new line of cases and covers!
Hah. Yeah, particularly since this will be non-removable/replaceable so you would have to cover it. Earlier prototype leaks had a similar looking back cover, but apparently made of Kevlar. Somehow figuring that will be the final choice. Unless maybe some market's carriers are looking to save cost in that particular part and this is the alternative?

I do know a real composite/Kevlar part of this variety would be much more spendy to produce than the more flat with slight curve on one edge with metal surround part of the OG RAZR's. Those could have been laid up and cured as a big long sheet with multiple device widths down the length of the sheet and the radius on each long edge and width of two device lengths and then cut down to several devices after cure finished. This new back would seemingly take individual device layups.
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1) The lettering "seems" pretty white to me. =LCD not AMOLED? Good for me.
2) The screen black seems more gray like an LCD not Amoled. Good for me.
Both are good signs for me as long as it is brighter than the S3.

3) The buttons look like touch keys, not on screen, not hardware. Good. I still like buttons myself. And, the button back ground black is not the same shade as the screen gray which leads me to believe they are not on screen buttons or the background black would be the same color. Good for me again.
4) The back IS fugly compared to the other leaked pictures. I don't think they would leave it with those holes either.
5) Two usb ports? As mentioned earlier, probably usb and HDMI. Good.
6) Side bezel looks smaller/normal not huge like Razr. Good.
7) I like the size of the speaker grill. Hopefully it's loud!
I'll take it even if the back is fugly.
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The fortunate thing is that VZW is not forcing those of us with unlimited that didn't pull the trigger to switch to the new plan. Every time I go online to look at upgrading it allows me to retain my current plan. Not sure how long it will last? And this does work because a friend of mine just did it a week ago purchasing the S III and keeping his unlimited data.
Really.. That would be nice since I'm due for an upgrade, unfortunately last time I checked the Verizon website was down so I can't see if this is still true.


Edit: Well it doesn't seem to be available for me anymore, I get a pop-up window saying "Your unlimited data plan is no longer available"
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I've tried both on full brightness. When I hold the DX and S3 side by side with google maps, I can see the thin gray roads on the DX much better than the S3.
Just for kicks, I went into VZW last week cause some one stated the Razr is brighter than the S3. I put a LCD test app on the RAZR and S3 and ran through solid colors of red, blue, green, black, and gray. The razr, to me, was noticably brighter. Enough for me to say I'll wait for the fighter over the S3 although both are nowhere near my DX.
That would be a pretty good indicator that the S3 your comparing has something wrong with it. I did the same test with my S3 and and a razr in a corporate store and found the brightness of both to be the same.

I guess it depends on the user. We have opposite experiences. I found the S3 more usable and readable in pretty much any light. I still use my DX as a backup tablet for my Pioneer receiver and now when I look at it, the colors and contrast are so washed out it's almost difficult to look at now.
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3) The buttons look like touch keys, not on screen, not hardware. Good. I still like buttons myself. And, the button back ground black is not the same shade as the screen gray which leads me to believe they are not on screen buttons or the background black would be the same color. Good for me again.
I suspect that the buttons are on screen - compare the photo with the video playing in it, the three buttons have migrated to the top of the screen
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They're on screen buttons.
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