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Old July 31st, 2012, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Tethering with Razr Maxx (on Verizon Wireless)

I want to be able to tether my PC to my Droid Razr Maxx (either through Wifi, Bluetooth, or USB). I don't want to go through Verizon because I honestly can't afford it (kind of why I'm not just buying a USB dongle). I have an unlimited data plan.

Is there an app that allows me to access the Internet on my PC through my phone without paying for a tethering plan? Is this even possible?

Any help would be appreciated.

If it makes a difference, I am running Android 4.0.4 ICS.

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Yes, there are many tethering apps out there. Depending on whether or not Verizon has it blocked in the market, search for wifi tether
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Easy tether lite in the G store. Follow directions and it works perfect!
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From an article I read today, if you are on a metered data plan, you don't need the extra add-on on the plan anymore.

I'll find the link...

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FoxFi (free) .... Turns your Razr Maxx into a wifi hotspot. No cable (tether) needed.
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I would use pda net or FoxFi
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From an article I read today, if you are on a metered data plan, you don't need the extra add-on on the plan anymore.

I'll find the link...

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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/31/verizon-to-stop-blocking-tethering-apps-settles-with-fcc-for-1/

+1 for Foxfi. Great app and easy to use.

The other part of that article that is significant is that the FCC said that Big Red cannot restrict third-party tethering apps. Big win for us. Of course, I'm sure they will figure out some way around that eventually.
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+1 for Foxfi. Great app and easy to use.

The other part of that article that is significant is that the FCC said that Big Red cannot restrict third-party tethering apps. Big win for us. Of course, I'm sure they will figure out some way around that eventually.
They can't restrict ACCESS to 3rd party apps, but they can still charge for the services you use with that app. So they can charge you for tethering even if you're using FoxFi.
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They can't restrict ACCESS to 3rd party apps, but they can still charge for the services you use with that app. So they can charge you for tethering even if you're using FoxFi.
Only on an unlimited data plan. If it's metered, then they can't charge you extra, except for the used bandwidth overall.
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Only on an unlimited data plan. If it's metered, then they can't charge you extra, except for the used bandwidth overall.
True.
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How would they know you were using foxfi unless you told them? Not sure how to determine if I would be tethering cblock, but I do not see how they can monitor. Any thoughts?

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In the case of Verizon, the company started charging users a $20 per month tethering charge even if they had an “unlimited” plan. Those days are done. You will now be able to freely share your bandwidth as you see fit.


In addition, “Under the terms of today’s settlement, Verizon Wireless will make a voluntary payment to the Treasury in the amount of $1.25 million, and has committed to notifying the application store operator that it no longer objects to the availability of the tethering applications to C-Block network customers” and that Verizon “revised its service offerings such that consumers on usage-based pricing plans may tether, using any application, without paying an additional fee.”
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With foxfi how do you switch between wpa and wpa2 ?
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Is this a fact that they can still charge you even if it is a free app? I am still on the unlimited data plan.

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They can't restrict ACCESS to 3rd party apps, but they can still charge for the services you use with that app. So they can charge you for tethering even if you're using FoxFi.
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How would they know you were using foxfi unless you told them? Not sure how to determine if I would be tethering cblock, but I do not see how they can monitor. Any thoughts?
DPI or deep packet inspection boxes. Every major carrier has some version of these.

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Is this a fact that they can still charge you even if it is a free app? I am still on the unlimited data plan.

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They can, but will they?
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Verizon: No free tethering for unlimited data plan customers


Earlier, Rich Young, Verizon’s director of media relations for human resources issues, told The New York Times that Verizon had not blocked customers from using third-party apps. Verizon blamed third-party tethering apps being blocked on an employee who had been working with the Google’s Android app store operators. Lewis continued:
We still offer Mobile Broadband Connect, and the fee applies to customers using unlimited data plans. If a usage-based customer wants to subscribe, or continue to subscribe, to Mobile Broadband Connect, they can do so. They get both a high-quality robust tethering app and additional data allowances. On the other hand, a usage-based customer that wishes to tether other devices but does not wish to subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect can cancel the service, purchase or obtain a third-party tethering application, and simply pay for the additional data usage.

What all this means is that if you have an unlimited Verizon plan you're still going to be stuck with a tethering fee. If you have an older restricted data plan, though, you will be able to freely share your bandwidth with third-party applications. You'll just need to keep in mind that you'll pay for the extra bits if you go over your monthly bandwidth limits.
And, finally, what Verizon would really like from all of this is for you to switch over to one of its Share Everything plans.
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Entire article....good read. Looks like we are in the crosshairs.

http://www.zdnet.com/verizon-no-free-tethering-for-unlimited-data-plan-customers-7000001987/
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ive been tethering on my unlimited plan with this razr and before it a bionic. never charged once. beed doing this for over 2 years
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ive been tethering on my unlimited plan with this razr and before it a bionic. never charged once. beed doing this for over 2 years
Which tether app? I just tried one and it worked great. I guess I will get my 5 cent bill in the mail.
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Already covered... but.

I'm on unlimited.

What if I tether? Oh, I need the tethering plan.

I'm not on unlimited now, I'm on 5Gig with a tethering plan.

Let's see how this shakes out!
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Already covered... but.

I'm on unlimited.

What if I tether? Oh, I need the tethering plan.

I'm not on unlimited now, I'm on 5Gig with a tethering plan.

Let's see how this shakes out!


That's why I think there is no way to enforce this crap
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Sure there is. It's been done in the past for walled garden non-pay accounts, not on vzw in my story. They have to look up your account, query, and then have a result. I've seen it first hand. The packets and info going through the network can be setup for a flag/result. Your computer or tablet tethering through your phone doesn't have the same results as sent through your phone directly.

In fact, they are grossly different. DPI, it works. Can they? Yes. Will they? Maybe
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Sure there is. It's been done in the past for walled garden non-pay accounts, not on vzw in my story. They have to look up your account, query, and then have a result. I've seen it first hand. The packets and info going through the network can be setup for a flag/result. Your computer or tablet tethering through your phone doesn't have the same results as sent through your phone directly.

In fact, they are grossly different. DPI, it works. Can they? Yes. Will they? Maybe
I will just play stupid..I know I can pull that off..
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I will just play stupid..I know I can pull that off..
Agreed, most people that do light tethering have no problems

This used to be a taboo topic here, but it's allowed now. Just don't complain if they actually implement a change on your account!
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I'm confused. I don't see in the press release where this applies only to metered data plans. Whether you have a metered plan or unlimited, those C Block rules still apply: "requiring licensees of C Block spectrum to allow customers to freely use the devices and applications of their choosing." Am I missing something here?

At the bottom of the press release, the terms/actions say VZW is:

"committed to notifying the application store operator that it no longer objects to the availability of the tethering applications to C-Block network customers in the operator's online market. Verizon Wireless has also agreed to implement a compliance plan, requiring that: employees will receive training on compliance with the C Block rules;
future communications with application store operators regarding the availability of applications to Verizon Wireless customers will be reviewed in advance by legal counsel; and
Verizon will report any instances of noncompliance with the rule at issue that might occur during the two-year term of the plan.
In addition, the company recently revised its service offerings such that consumers on usage-based pricing plans may tether, using any application, without paying an additional fee."


That last line sounds to me like they're acknowledging the fact that they just went to the usage based share everything plans, since it says they "recently revised its service offerings"... not that this ruling is that way.


So... are they saying you can use an outside hotspot rather than the built in one ("applications of their choosing") only, but that VZW can still charge for the access?


It doesn't make any sense at all to say that the rules for C band ("shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C Block network") would apply any differently to usage based vs unlimited. Again, am I missing something?
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I'm confused. I don't see in the press release where this applies only to metered data plans. Whether you have a metered plan or unlimited, those C Block rules still apply: "requiring licensees of C Block spectrum to allow customers to freely use the devices and applications of their choosing." Am I missing something here?

At the bottom of the press release, the terms/actions say VZW is:

"committed to notifying the application store operator that it no longer objects to the availability of the tethering applications to C-Block network customers in the operator's online market. Verizon Wireless has also agreed to implement a compliance plan, requiring that: employees will receive training on compliance with the C Block rules;
future communications with application store operators regarding the availability of applications to Verizon Wireless customers will be reviewed in advance by legal counsel; and
Verizon will report any instances of noncompliance with the rule at issue that might occur during the two-year term of the plan.
In addition, the company recently revised its service offerings such that consumers on usage-based pricing plans may tether, using any application, without paying an additional fee."


That last line sounds to me like they're acknowledging the fact that they just went to the usage based share everything plans, since it says they "recently revised its service offerings"... not that this ruling is that way.


So... are they saying you can use an outside hotspot rather than the built in one ("applications of their choosing") only, but that VZW can still charge for the access?


It doesn't make any sense at all to say that the rules for C band ("shall not deny, limit, or restrict the ability of their customers to use the devices and applications of their choice on the licensee's C Block network") would apply any differently to usage based vs unlimited. Again, am I missing something?
Yes. The fact that customers can "freely use the applications of their choosing" (freely as in without restriction) for services that still cost them money.

It's the same way that I can freely use any compatible cable modem for my internet or telephone for my home phone service, but it still costs me money to have both those services. If there was a third party cable box that (assuming you receive a cable signal at your home, like if you had a cable modem) lets you watch the digital cable channels without paying. Essentially this analogy here is I can use that cable box instead of Time Warner's, but either way I still have to pay for cable.

The ruling here is not "if you're paying for tethering, one way or another, then you can tether any way you want". That is very different from saying "you don't have to pay for tethering".
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After that ruling, when can I start using that I tried to use it but it didnt work
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Mine worked no problem.....at least for the 1 minute I tested it....
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Same here...I've done the mobile hack using SQLite and also used FoxFi and both methods work for maybe a minute and then stop. I've tried everything now.

Thanks to the ICS update I can no longer successfully tether.
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Easy tether works perfect on ICS. Not a big deal to plug into computer, charges it while its tethering which is convenient.
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Same here...I've done the mobile hack using SQLite and also used FoxFi and both methods work for maybe a minute and then stop. I've tried everything now.

Thanks to the ICS update I can no longer successfully tether.
Try updating Foxfi. If that doesn't work, uninstall and re-install it. It works just fine for me on ICS. PC and Jelly Bean XOOM connect up just fine.
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If your worried about them knowing your tethering, your internet identity can be spoofed. I read about this some years ago...
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Same here...I've done the mobile hack using SQLite and also used FoxFi and both methods work for maybe a minute and then stop. I've tried everything now.

Thanks to the ICS update I can no longer successfully tether.
My opinion is that Verizon made some changes to ICS upgrade to prevent certain hacks. There are still certain work arounds, but I think they inserted some code changes that took out things that were in GB that now make work arounds impossible or at least much harder for certain functions. If rooted you can make some changes using an app called SQLite that displays files and the ability to edit them. Hence the hot spot hack and also a throttling hack. We were discussing this on XDA and it seems files have been removed that we're on GB. I found a throttling adjustment I made thru SQLite that seems to prevent throttling as I have been getting throttling regularly it pleased me to no end to have some faster speeds. The folks on ICS did not have this option (I stuck to GB) even tho rooted. It also helped my 3G data drops.
If anyone thinks that these big companies don't insert certain codes into their updates to benefit them and prevent hacking some functions these folks are mistaken.
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