During a discussion in another forum I was praising the impementation of a nice, juicy 1860 mAh batter being installed in the new Droid Pro. My viewpoint was that Motorola wants to pursuad RIM users away from their Blackberries and bring them over to the Android side of life. Which is fine, no quarrel about that here. Of course I was hit with the age old, "well of course Blackberries last forever, you can't do anything on them". Well I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold water with me. If Blackberry didn't care about their customers, they could have skimped on their batteries just the same as so many other OEM's have with their devices and saved themselves money.
But they have been catering to the business class for years and years. Long before Android, long before Apple, and long before 'apps' were part of our every day language. And one thing they were smart enough to understand is, people in business are often on the go all day long, on business trips, on airplanes, in taxi's, attending seminars, etc... they can't just 'plug in' whenever their phone is running low. So they made sure that for what their phone did, people could use them at least all day, if not for 2 or 3 days if they really needed to.
Enter the Droid Pro... just one look at this guy and you know it's made to steal RIM users away. So Motorola had the presence of mind to know to give it the juice to keep up with the business class. Well that's good for them, but it makes me feel a bit left out. Ok sure, it's pretty safe to assume that a large percentage of techies bide their time by a computer, or other power source. So maybe they do have a greater access and don't NEED the extra battery life, but I'm sure they would still appreciate it. But besides that, how many Dinc, EVO, Galaxy S, and Droid 1/2/X owners really are 'techies'? I'd say I'm more technical than not, but I don't know if I'd pigeon-hole myself as one.
And one thing that a lot of people don't seem to understand is that someone switching over to an Android device isn't going to automatically assume that there is going to be that much difference in battery life. The first time they unplug their phone and then look at it 5 hours later an the charge is down to 60% they're going to think, "what the hell's going on"? It won't just suddenly occur to them that, "oh, well this phone is 300 times more 'kick ass', so of course it isn't going to last very long". That's just not human nature, they will be expecting something close to what they've come accustomed to... I know I did.
So it kind of rubbed me a little bit the wrong way when I started to think about it. Motorola knows they have to give the market they're trying to capture a device that keeps up with their needs. Otherwise, they won't switch over to Android, they'll stay with RIM. So it seems to me that whatever market we're in, we haven't been demanding enough from the OEM's in terms of battery life.
If Motorola is willing to give their business phone more longevity to satisfy that market, then we had better decide what market we're in, and demand that they cater to our needs just as much. Otherwise, they might always just consider us a bunch of techie 'push-overs'.
During a discussion in another forum I was praising the impementation of a nice, juicy 1860 mAh batter being installed in the new Droid Pro. My viewpoint was that Motorola wants to pursuad RIM users away from their Blackberries and bring them over to the Android side of life. Which is fine, no quarrel about that here. Of course I was hit with the age old, "well of course Blackberries last forever, you can't do anything on them". Well I'm sorry, but that doesn't hold water with me. If Blackberry didn't care about their customers, they could have skimped on their batteries just the same as so many other OEM's have with their devices and saved themselves money.
I have to disagree with you on this one. I don't think Motorola skimped on the X's battery life. I believe they incorporated a battery that is comparable to other smartphones within the same category (ie - iphone and other androids). Every smartphone manufacturer have to make business decisions that will give them best cost/performance/design ratio. IMHO I think they did a pretty good job.
I think the age old argument that "Blackberries last longer because they do less" is true. For one, most blackberries have smaller screens. This alone saves a lot of battery. Just ask storm users, they tell you that they get horrible battery life compare to their other blackberries like the bold or tour. It's just the way it is.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Android runs widgets and background apps that are constantly pulling data and updating info on your screen. That also takes alot of juice.
Yes, I agree it would be nice to have a phone that would last for days, but at what cost? Are we willing to compromise with paying more for the device or are we willing sacrifice the sleek design with a bulkier phone.
The fact is, battery technology is just not up to the demands of true mobile computing. Until they innovate new ways of delivering power, we'll always be tied to the charger.
The Droid Pro and it's 1840 mAh battery doesn't cost any more than the Droid X. How much more do you think that battery is really going to add to the cost of manufacturing the phone... I'd say $5 bucks would be a generous guess. So throw that on top (if you buy your phone at Verizon they're still going to absorb it, they won't charge $204 bucks for it, it will still be $199) of the price instead of us having to go pay $50 for the extended battery... or should I say the stock battery in the Pro.
The Storm wasn't aimed at the business class. It was aimed at the iPhone. Which is the market we Android users are in. And that was the whole point of my post, this market we're in, we should tell the OEM's, "hey don't treat us any different than the business class, we want bigger batteries in our phones as well". Heck why is everyone so content on rolling over and giving them excuses.... "we have widgets, bigger screens, wifi...", ummm yeah, you're right. Exactly why we need more juice.
Looking around the different forums I see a lot of people complaining about battery life. When one of the main topics is, "what can I do to extend my battery life", that tells me I'm not the only one who would like to see Motorola, HTC, Samsung, Sony/Ericson and whoever else to beef em up a little. If you aren't someone who uses your battery in a days time good for you, I'm proud of you. It's not going to hurt you if you have more of your battery left when you plug in at night. When I used to plug my Curve in at night and it was only half way drained I didn't hop on the internet and complain, "man the battery in this phone is just too big, they need to come out with a smaller one". Those people will not be effected either way if they make the extended battery the stocker instead. But it would help those who run out of power too early, too often.
I dunno, maybe it's just me. I just started thinking about the reasoning behind the 1840 mAh in the Pro and I realized it was because Moto knew the business crowd was more demanding, and I wondered why we weren't? Why let them get away with giving the business class the extended battery but make us pay them $50 bucks for it?
I'm a pretty techie guy, but I wasn't attracted to the phone because of too many techie reasons. I liked Swype on my last phone, a MyTouch 3G, and I liked the X's huge screen and decent camera. The battery life doesn't bother me. It's much better than my MyTouch's was, and pretty comparable to the Sony-Ericsson flip phone I had before that. I think the average smartphone user probably wants something thinner and more stylish than your typical business Blackberry user will put up with. If they added even 2mm to the X's thickness for a bigger battery, I bet every review would comment even more about what a fat brick it was.
People THINK I'm techie but I tell them there is so much more to these phones that I don't do, it's amazing. I don't root, ROM, etc. but I do mess with the phone's features a good bit.
The average person is lucky to know how to make a call and maybe do a text. Above that is "techie" to them.
I had to show an 18 year old girl what Angry Birds is... and she had a Droid X. She didn't know about LP or any of that.
Everything I learned I learned from reading Engadget and Gizmodo (im not a techie). Honestly I love technology but I keep myself from getting too involved with it. I do know that punching, smashing, throwing, kicking, pounding, death gripping, and threatening does not fix technology.
Sorry, I think I misunderstood your post. I thought you were comparing the X's battery life to blackberries, which I don't think it's a fair comparison. It seems to me your argument is less about blackberry but more about X and other motorola phones getting the same battery as the Droid Pro. If that's your argument, then sure I totally agree with you. I would like more for my money too.
One thing to keep in mind though is that the Droid Pro is a world phone with extra circuitry for the radio and keyboard. So, perhaps it has the bigger battery not because it's a business phone, but because it actually needs it. I would bet once the phone comes out, this forum will be filled with people bitching about battery life on it as well.
Also, $5 may not seem like a lot of money, but over hundred of thousands it becomes a large sum. Companies don't like to "absorb" cost without a really good reason for it.
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i have to agree with dylo22...battery technology is not up to the current task of smartphone use. and to be honest i don't mind having to plug in my phone every night...i've had several dumb-smartphones (storm1, moto Q) before my X and they all required the same plug-in schedule if not more so than my X.
As for those in the dark concerning the "42", its from the book "the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy", actually it's the main point, so i won't ruin it for those of you who haven't read it...i would highly recommend picking up "the ultimate hitchhikers guide to the universe". its all five books and its really a fun read
I might not be a techie, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
As for being a techie, I am like bigbadwulff. I don't root or ROM my phones (not yet anyway), but I am willing to read all the pros and cons, learn about the latest and greatest, and honestly, I got the X as my first smartphone because of all it could do and its size. My last phone was the LG enV Touch, which I was able to mess with, get updates manually, do backups and access paid stuff for free, but it scared the hell out of me with the possibity to brick it. I know the X is now "unbrickable" but I am fine with using themed LPP and custom screens and docks. I may grow a sack before I switch to my next phone and use this sucker as a guinea pig to root, but until then, I'm good.
My ex knew NOTHING about smart phones. I showed her the ropes as she was coming from the Storm 1 and she loved this new world she found. She was a sorority girl and fit the stereotype for that perfectly...so....no lol
My supervisor at work actually just got a DX. He was showing it to me and talking about how much he liked it. I pulled my phone out and just smiled. He now asks me for advice all the time on it as this is his first smart phone as well.
It's just a great phone, period. For those that get online to research more on it, I actually believe we're probably the minority. But maybe it's just me
Decidedly no. I know a few people who just asked me what phone I had, and went and got it. They use it as *gasp* a phone, mp3 player, and maybe some Facebook. They know nothing of rooting, CPUs, Memory, ROMs, etc. One in particular just likes to keep up with the other douches in his office, so he asked me to pick him a phone on VZW, which wasn't hard.
Really, I think Android does attract the geekier crowd in general, but with VZW's advertising blitz, it's also mainstream.
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I would say no as well, but Android and the X can make even the most tech challenged people feel like a techie. With just a little reading and help from places like this forum anyone can do cool things to their X.
Personally I would say I am not a techie, but play one at work. Just because I know more about windows and office than most people do.
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Nah, I'm no techie.
I'm scared to root my phone because I'm scared I'm going to mess something up.
I don't even hook my phone up to my computer anymore because I'm too afraid I'm going to screw something up.
im not a techie at all. i enjoy messing with smartphones trying to act lie i am sometimes! i loved my bb but the dx is much more fun for me. some of the guys i work with tho the dx isnt for them. thy asked me my opinion and i told them to wait and get the droid pro. its kind of a mix between the dx and bb. a way that they will get the awesome speed and fun of android but stay in their comfort zone with a bb feel
Anyone who says their BB lasted for days didn't use it much. I can remember having to put my BBs on the charge through the day quite often. Sure if you leave your phone sit it will last forever, but who cares? Maybe better than android phones but its not the gap most make it out to be. Eris was notorious for horrible battery life, but using one on my work account just like my berry, easily lasts the entire day just like the storm2 with the same number of things syncing.
At 71 years of age, I'm no techie. I put my Samsung Alias 2 away and bought my first smart phone, my X. I have 4+ screens loaded with widgets and short cuts and about 30 apps.
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I consider myself a techie. Well, enough of one to not have to call support numbers to fix problems. I usually just find the answer online. And I'm the one who ppl come to for techie questions and answers in my family. My brother called tech support cuz he couldnt get online with a new laptop. Still couldnt until he called me and we did some troubleshooting. Its funny cuz it was an easy fix. It was so easy I overlooked it too at first...lol
If the X had/has decent sales, I know everyone that bought one cant be a techie.
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I like to consider myself a techie, but who knows :P
I've only had the X for almost two weeks now, my dad and I both have one and he's a techie. I got my boyfriend this phone and he isn't into technology.
the droidx battery can last 2 days if you root, adjust some settings and simply use the phone normally. However if you are like me, a techie I suppose, then getting a full 24 hours of battery while using your phone to the fullest is almost unheard of. I know people with iphones that charge their phone twice a day, and I know evo users that have the same problem, but since I got my dx I have been more then happy. Blackberry is dead, they are just hanging on hoping people are dumb enough to buy their phones at the outrageous prices they are charging for them.
I wouldn't say blackberry is dead. Their phones are excellent for calls,email and messaging. Until Android gets better exchange support, blackberry is still king among the business crowd.
Blackberry is definately not dead. In their catagory they are far and away the clear leader. They aren't in a head to head competition with Android or Apple. They dabble in that market, with the Storm and now the Tourch. But that's not where they make their bread and butter.
Same with Android, they are attempting to dabble in the business market with the Droid Pro. It's yet to be seen if they're going to make a very big impact. I'm sure we'll see more movement over to that market in the future from all the OEM's, because that's a very big market. And most people in that market aren't that interested in Android or Apple.
You know, Android is sort of like a well known sports car company (Porsche for example) developing the 'Panamera', a 4 door luxury sedan to steal a few sales from the luxury car market. While Blackberry is the Mercedes-Benz side of the cell phone industry throwing an 'SLK350 Roadster' into the mix to capture a bit of the sports car market. I don't see either one over throwing the other and rendering the other one DEAD anytime soon. Because they attract different consumers, and they always will no matter how much they dabble in the other one's market.
As little interest as you might have in a Blackberry, I assure you most business type people have just as little interest in using an Android device as their work phone. Oh perhaps as their play phone after they get off of work. But not as their workhorse. They are just two very different markets. That's all.
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While blackberry is very much alive in the business market, they do have serious competition on their hands.
There are now competitors to the Blackberry enterprise server (Good For Enterprise) so they no longer have a corner on the market for secure corporate data access. Good for enterprise does pretty much exactly what BES does but they support iphone, android, WM and are working on windows phone 7 device support.
Blackberry is still the leader but they need to get off their butts and get to work or they will quickly loose their dominance.
I also wonder if MS isn't going to come out with a competitor to BES that's device agnostic as well... if they do blackberry is going to be in a world of hurt. Why pay for exchange servers as well as BES servers?
As for being a techie, I am like bigbadwulff. I don't root or ROM my phones (not yet anyway), but I am willing to read all the pros and cons, learn about the latest and greatest, and honestly, I got the X as my first smartphone because of all it could do and its size. My last phone was the LG enV Touch, which I was able to mess with, get updates manually, do backups and access paid stuff for free, but it scared the hell out of me with the possibity to brick it. I know the X is now "unbrickable" but I am fine with using themed LPP and custom screens and docks. I may grow a sack before I switch to my next phone and use this sucker as a guinea pig to root, but until then, I'm good.
I'm the same way. I'm a systems admin at my company and am comfortable working with windows and linux but for some reason I'm hesitant to root and deodex my phone. I suppose the main reason is I don't feel like dealing with bricking it or just having problems in general but at the same time the performance is so good with the stock phone I don't feel compelled either.
I was worried about rooting as well until I found a step by step guide. I did it a few weeks ago and removed a lot of the bloatware and have noticed a bit of a performance boost.
If you are not a techie or like me a techie want to be then I'm not sure you are really getting the true enjoyment out of the phone. I also hesitated rooting but finally did and it opens up so much more things to try. As for performance I did see a little but the big surprise is battery life. It has made a huge difference. What I really enjoy is when I meet someone with a Droid X and we strt comparing. The other guy is always blow away by the look and options
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Is every DX owner a 'techie'?
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