Do you guys think that the Extreme will be better than the Incredible? I personally think that this phone will be hot if the Motoblur is improved a lot.
I can tell you this. From what has been leaked it will be more durable. Has a Moto Droid type of build. It is gonna be hot but it will be even hotter if Motoblur isn't even on it.
Well, from the pictures, it seems there is some kind of overlay. What I'm truly curious about is how the Extreme has a better benchmark test than the Nexus One and Galaxy S. Doesn't make a lot of sense, unless the Ninja Blur really speeds it up that much. Not getting how an OMAP 3630 can beat an OMAP 3640.
It makes sense that it outruns the Nexus One, the Galaxy S is a bit funnier but several things could be behind that: TouchWiz is more of a resource hog than Motoblur maybe?
And yeah, the Moto Droid had gorilla glass in it, so on that note, it will probably be more durable than the DInc screen.
Also, apparently you can turn off Motoblur (turning off the skin at least and keeping it's beneficial services) whereas you cannot turn of HTC Sense on the Inc sans root. You can turn off Sense on the Evo tho (don't quote me on this though) so maybe that'll be fixed. A lot of people prefer stock android so at least Motorola gives you the option to aesthetically run stock. I hear rumors of the original Droid getting 2.2 soon too while the DInc remains up in the air.
I think the build and some of the extra's like HDMI out and 720p video recording will make it hot! The only thing I lack in knowledge about and wonder about, is the comparison between the OMAP 3630 720MHz processor & the incredibles 1ghz Snapdragon processor. I've had the Moto Droid, Eris and Incredible and if it wasn't for the weird, cheap build of the Incredible and lack of HDMI/video, I would probably still own it(Sold). The speed and reliability was incredible compared to the Eris and Moto. Is this OMAP 3630 going to be clocked higher or somehow be faster than the 1ghz snapdragon? I have a need for speed!
It makes sense that it outruns the Nexus One, the Galaxy S is a bit funnier but several things could be behind that: TouchWiz is more of a resource hog than Motoblur maybe?
And yeah, the Moto Droid had gorilla glass in it, so on that note, it will probably be more durable than the DInc screen.
I wondered if it did, but where did you hear that? When I had a DI, it seemed fairly resistant as it was always loose in my pocket with other junk and no scratches occured. I was always worried though...
I remember reading about the DI having resolution issues compared to the Moto Droid and I can confirm that the DI screen was terrible outside in the sun!
Another tid bit comparrison: When I had the Moto Droid, my call quality and clarity was awesome, best phone ever in that regard! The Eris and Incredible are sub-par in my opinion, they seem to have issues with background noise and volume leveling. The Moto Droid was always crisp and clear with perfect volume leveling, so I'm banking that the Extreme will share the same qualities! Did the Moto Droid have a noise canceling mic maybe?
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I think the build and some of the extra's like HDMI out and 720p video recording will make it hot! The only thing I lack in knowledge about and wonder about, is the comparison between the OMAP 3630 720MHz processor & the incredibles 1ghz Snapdragon processor. I've had the Moto Droid, Eris and Incredible and if it wasn't for the weird, cheap build of the Incredible and lack of HDMI/video, I would probably still own it(Sold). The speed and reliability was incredible compared to the Eris and Moto. Is this OMAP 3630 going to be clocked higher or somehow be faster than the 1ghz snapdragon? I have a need for speed!
I think first I need to state that I am not trying to patronize or belittle you.
But when people who do not understand throw out buzzwords like Snapdragon, 1Ghz , Amoled people buy into that junk way too much.
Let me start buy saying that Snapdragon is a very powerful processor but it has been around for quite sometime (I am talking about the 1st gen snapdragon). Its problem is with its relatively weak Graphics core compared to A4. Although I am not an expert on mobile processors but you cannot compare two different architectures solely based on their "Clock Speed".
Therefore it is to hard to fully conclude whether OMAP 3630 is going to be faster than 1st gen snapdragon. But as seen in OMAP 3630 vs 3430, there is huge difference b/w the two. Based on that we can deduced that 3630 will PROBABLY faster(this is a subjective term) than 1st gen snapdragon.
Side Note: I just hate what android crowds are turning into.
We should not turn into
1. "wow this phone has 100MP camera vs 10MP in iphone", although it actual picture quality is worse
2. "Super AMOLED, hell yeah" another buzzword, IPS used in iphone is very high quality as well
3. "iphone sucks no matter what" ok if they sucked so bad why are they doing so well it can't just be all marketing.
BTW, I hate Steve Jobs and they way Apple does business but if we don't focus on what's more important we will lose.
Sorry for the long rant.
I wondered if it did, but where did you hear that? When I had a DI, it seemed fairly resistant as it was always loose in my pocket with other junk and no scratches occured. I was always worried though...
I remember reading about the DI having resolution issues compared to the Moto Droid and I can confirm that the DI screen was terrible outside in the sun!
Another tid bit comparrison: When I had the Moto Droid, my call quality and clarity was awesome, best phone ever in that regard! The Eris and Incredible are sub-par in my opinion, they seem to have issues with background noise and volume leveling. The Moto Droid was always crisp and clear with perfect volume leveling, so I'm banking that the Extreme will share the same qualities! Did the Moto Droid have a noise canceling mic maybe?
Here's where I found out about the Gorilla Glass. I preferred my Droid's screen to the Incredible because it uses that pentacel extrapolation, so you don't actually get 800x480. I would imaging the iPhone 4 screen is phenominal, just wish it was larger. I am not a fan of oled screens. If Moto or HTC would release a phone with a 4" or larger screen and up the resolution to something with a ppi resolution of 300 and a front facing camera, I think it would blow all of Apple's endevours out of the water.
I think first I need to state that I am not trying to patronize or belittle you.
But when people who do not understand throw out buzzwords like Snapdragon, 1Ghz , Amoled people buy into that junk way too much.
Let me start buy saying that Snapdragon is a very powerful processor but it has been around for quite sometime (I am talking about the 1st gen snapdragon). Its problem is with its relatively weak Graphics core compared to A4. Although I am not an expert on mobile processors but you cannot compare two different architectures solely based on their "Clock Speed".
Therefore it is to hard to fully conclude whether OMAP 3630 is going to be faster than 1st gen snapdragon. But as seen in OMAP 3630 vs 3430, there is huge difference b/w the two. Based on that we can deduced that 3630 will PROBABLY faster(this is a subjective term) than 1st gen snapdragon.
Side Note: I just hate what android crowds are turning into.
We should not turn into
1. "wow this phone has 100MP camera vs 10MP in iphone", although it actual picture quality is worse
2. "Super AMOLED, hell yeah" another buzzword, IPS used in iphone is very high quality as well
3. "iphone sucks no matter what" ok if they sucked so bad why are they doing so well it can't just be all marketing.
BTW, I hate Steve Jobs and they way Apple does business but if we don't focus on what's more important we will lose.
Sorry for the long rant.
You're cool with me. I think you make some good points about the "BUZZ", which I've been lured into and thanks for sharing some info/points on the processors! Sounds like it may have better Arch and GPU abilites, so that's cool. I feel less distracted by that now.
I shoot with a DSLR camera, so I know all to well about MP size versus a good sensor and pixil density. I agree MP and GHZ ect... isn't everything!
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Here's where I found out about the Gorilla Glass. I preferred my Droid's screen to the Incredible because it uses that pentacel extrapolation, so you don't actually get 800x480. I would imaging the iPhone 4 screen is phenominal, just wish it was larger. I am not a fan of oled screens. If Moto or HTC would release a phone with a 4" or larger screen and up the resolution to something with a ppi resolution of 300 and a front facing camera, I think it would blow all of Apple's endevours out of the water.
Thanks for sharing the link, good stuff! Pentacel extrapolation, I would have never remembered that term. I imagine the Extreme is going to make a lot of DI owners jealous! I would still have the Moto Droid if it wasn't for the slideout keyboard, it wasn't appealing to me.
Maybe the re-design will include the front facing cam...
You're cool with me. I think you make some good points about the "BUZZ", which I've been lured into and thanks for sharing some info/points on the processors! Sounds like it may have better Arch and GPU abilites, so that's cool. I feel less distracted by that now.
I shoot with a DSLR camera, so I know all to well about MP size versus a good sensor and pixil density. I agree MP and GHZ ect... isn't everything!
Thanks for sharing the link, good stuff! Pentacel extrapolation, I would have never remembered that term. I imagine the Extreme is going to make a lot of DI owners jealous! I would still have the Moto Droid if it wasn't for the slideout keyboard, it wasn't appealing to me.
Maybe the re-design will include the front facing cam...
I think almost everyone gets drawn into those buzz words at first (unless you've been around the game a while). I mean it's really kinda hard not to. It is helpful when someone who knows a bit more points out the importance of remembering what's really important though (so thank you ghdtpdna)
As for a front facing camera, I don't believe that any of the rumors or pictures point to the Xtreme sporting one. I know some things change last minute, but it seems unlikely that such a major change would be made right before announcement/release (I'm basing my comments on the leaks over at HoFo btw).
EDIT: Just realized you may have been talking about the Droid 2... not to sure about that one b/c I haven't been following it.
Also, apparently you can turn off Motoblur (turning off the skin at least and keeping it's beneficial services) whereas you cannot turn of HTC Sense on the Inc sans root. You can turn off Sense on the Evo tho (don't quote me on this though) so maybe that'll be fixed. A lot of people prefer stock android so at least Motorola gives you the option to aesthetically run stock. I hear rumors of the original Droid getting 2.2 soon too while the DInc remains up in the air.
MOTOBLUR isn't really a skin. My Devour looks exactly like stock android, with the exception of the MOTOBLUR specific widgets I have on my home screen.
MOTOBLUR isn't really a skin. My Devour looks exactly like stock android, with the exception of the MOTOBLUR specific widgets I have on my home screen.
And the buttons at the bottom. The blue silver and green ones, stock android doesnt look like that.
Those really aren't much. One is the dialer which I find necessary to have the. The other two are the menu and contacts buttons. All of them belong there.
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Minus the green dialer and the blue contacts buttons, they look nearly the same. The rest are just removable widgets. Saying it doesn't look like stock at all is a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say?
Well, from the pictures, it seems there is some kind of overlay. What I'm truly curious about is how the Extreme has a better benchmark test than the Nexus One and Galaxy S. Doesn't make a lot of sense, unless the Ninja Blur really speeds it up that much. Not getting how an OMAP 3630 can beat an OMAP 3640.
could u please link me to the where you read (or saw) that the Extreme has a better benchmark than the Galaxy S. I know that the Galaxy S is a beast with the Hummingbird processor and dedicated GPU, so if the Extreme is more powerful than it then i might just wait for it to come to Europe
I'm trying to decide between the Incredible and the Shadow. I see that a lot of people don't like Motoblur. I have no experience with it. What's so bad about it and how does it differ from the Incredible's UI?
Minus the green dialer and the blue contacts buttons, they look nearly the same. The rest are just removable widgets. Saying it doesn't look like stock at all is a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say?
Not really, but its just my opinion. The app drawer handle is different (but I'll agree that its somewhat similar) the notification bar icons are different, the application icons are different, the app drawer itself is different. The only thing thats exactly the same is the white notification bar. But like I said, just my opinion.
could u please link me to the where you read (or saw) that the Extreme has a better benchmark than the Galaxy S. I know that the Galaxy S is a beast with the Hummingbird processor and dedicated GPU, so if the Extreme is more powerful than it then i might just wait for it to come to Europe
I'd be careful about making a distinction between what you know and what you think you know. I've only recently begun making this distinction myself tbh. Basically what I'm suggesting is that all the information about unreleased phones is largely speculative and should be filed under "what we think we know". Benchmarks, leaks and hype are great, but until the phone is released and lots of people can go hands on, we are unlikely to have any cold hard facts. Even the period after the phone is announced but before it is on sale is still really a period of uncertainty concerning performance.
My point is, while the benchmark showing the Xtreme beating the heralded Galaxy S Hummingbird processor is compelling, I would take it with a grain of sand/salt. Until both phones are released everything really is in the realm of what you think you know. I certainly hope the results are correct and indicative of the Xtreme's real world performance though.
One more thing: I find that this type of mentality helps me keep expectations in check. I have been disappointed before b/c my expectations were to high... this should help.
Motoblur has yet to be put on a high-end phone. I think....,
Hummingbird seems to be the same one in iPad but galaxy S is struggling to play 720p video off of youtube, is iphone os that much better? or Samsung UI just a bottleneck?
What do you guys think?
I'd be careful about making a distinction between what you know and what you think you know. I've only recently begun making this distinction myself tbh. Basically what I'm suggesting is that all the information about unreleased phones is largely speculative and should be filed under "what we think we know". Benchmarks, leaks and hype are great, but until the phone is released and lots of people can go hands on, we are unlikely to have any cold hard facts. Even the period after the phone is announced but before it is on sale is still really a period of uncertainty concerning performance.
My point is, while the benchmark showing the Xtreme beating the heralded Galaxy S Hummingbird processor is compelling, I would take it with a grain of sand/salt. Until both phones are released everything really is in the realm of what you think you know. I certainly hope the results are correct and indicative of the Xtreme's real world performance though.
One more thing: I find that this type of mentality helps me keep expectations in check. I have been disappointed before b/c my expectations were to high... this should help.
i totally agree with you, but i can afford to think that because this phone isnt coming to Europe for now. So if performance isnt is as good as that chart shows i wouldnt mind too much.
Motoblur has yet to be put on a high-end phone. I think....,
Hummingbird seems to be the same one in iPad but galaxy S is struggling to play 720p video off of youtube, is iphone os that much better? or Samsung UI just a bottleneck?
What do you guys think?
I think I understand why you're making the comparison between the Hummingbird and the A4 processor (in the iPad): I heard a rumor that Samsung produces the A4... <--- Is that correct info?
Also, has it been confirmed that the A4 processors are just Hummingbirds w/ some slight changes?
Sorry for questioning the underlying parts of your post, but I think we need to establish that before we move on to speculating about why the Hummingbird struggles where the iPad doesn't (apparently).
As I type, I also realize we're moving more and more off topic too. Perhaps we should reclaim the original Extreme vs Incredible discussion. If not, perhaps the OP should request he mods to change the thread title accordingly.
I think I understand why you're making the comparison between the Hummingbird and the A4 processor (in the iPad): I heard a rumor that Samsung produces the A4... <--- Is that correct info?
Also, has it been confirmed that the A4 processors are just Hummingbirds w/ some slight changes?
Sorry for questioning the underlying parts of your post, but I think we need to establish that before we move on to speculating about why the Hummingbird struggles where the iPad doesn't (apparently).
As I type, I also realize we're moving more and more off topic too. Perhaps we should reclaim the original Extreme vs Incredible discussion. If not, perhaps the OP should request he mods to change the thread title accordingly.
I don't know for sure.
But I was reading Koreans news today and found an article stating that Chips are made by Samsung and LCD screen by LG. Not sure how accurate it was. Galaxy S is launching soon (maybe already in some countries) so we will know for sure soon.
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I would like to add something to this conversation since I have been using the incredible since April 24th and prior to that I have the 1st gen droid for 5 months.
The incredible is crazy fast. If the droid x is anything like the incredible you will be very happy. The only real difference is the skin. Blur or Sense.
Do you REALLY think you will use the HDMI out very often? Doubt it but it is cool to say you can.
720p video... Do you really care?
Screen size is the real selling point over the incredible.
Bottom line is that you are choosing an Android device (open) over the iPhone (closed). This shows you have the ability to think for yourself and don't need Steve to think for you.
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Like I said in another thread regarding the front facing camera, if you have kids, especially the age of mine, having 720p video is a nice feature to have, especially when sharing the vids online. Being able to quickly set up and show pics and videos on my TV is the icing!
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Do you REALLY think you will use the HDMI out very often? Doubt it but it is cool to say you can.
I would like to add something to this conversation since I have been using the incredible since April 24th and prior to that I have the 1st gen droid for 5 months.
The incredible is crazy fast. If the droid x is anything like the incredible you will be very happy. The only real difference is the skin. Blur or Sense.
Do you REALLY think you will use the HDMI out very often? Doubt it but it is cool to say you can.
720p video... Do you really care?
Screen size is the real selling point over the incredible.
Bottom line is that you are choosing an Android device (open) over the iPhone (closed). This shows you have the ability to think for yourself and don't need Steve to think for you.
How do you think the Incredible's AMOLED compares to your old Droid? I've seen them up close but not for a long time. I'm debating weather or not to get rid of my Inc for the X but the AMOLED is the only thing in the way.
Like I said in another thread regarding the front facing camera, if you have kids, especially the age of mine, having 720p video is a nice feature to have, especially when sharing the vids online. Being able to quickly set up and show pics and videos on my TV is the icing!
Ok. So you are the one out of 1000 that might make good use of the features. The other 999 just want the features so they can say they have them. Lame reason.
I still think the screen size is the only solid reason the phone might be better.
How do you think the Incredible's AMOLED compares to your old Droid? I've seen them up close but not for a long time. I'm debating weather or not to get rid of my Inc for the X but the AMOLED is the only thing in the way.
Put the droid or incredible next to each other and they are almost the same. Not different enough to make it a deciding factor.
Put the droid or incredible next to the 3GS and the difference is HUGE.
I'm not bashing the Droid X. I believe it will be awesome....just like the incredible already is.
I am jealous of the screen size. Size does matter.
I cant wait till when the next android phone comes out, everyone will be bashing this phone. Incredible's been out >2 months, people are making it sound like the lg voyager.
How do you think the Incredible's AMOLED compares to your old Droid? I've seen them up close but not for a long time. I'm debating weather or not to get rid of my Inc for the X but the AMOLED is the only thing in the way.
Are you saying that you prefer the AMOLED screen? I'm assuming so. That said, the DI screen is very vibrant inside. In direct sunlight, it is very difficult for me to view, at least in June. The TFT screen on my BB 9630 is much easier to read outside...but doesn't look near as nice inside. I hate my 9630 btw.
I have no idea what the X screen will look like but I will take slightly diminished overall display quality if it allows me to easily view the display outside. Of course I'd like the best of both. To your question, I think the DI screen has a better display than the old Droid. Again, no idea on X.
I cant wait till when the next android phone comes out, everyone will be bashing this phone. Incredible's been out >2 months, people are making it sound like the lg voyager.
I wouldnt say that, there is only one phone in my mind that is better than the Droid Incredible and that is the Evo 4g...These new Moto Droids (x, and 2) arent better than the DInc. I prefer a smaller phone, and the DInc is the perfect size in my mind, and its fast, and I love Sense. Just my .02
The incredible screen is awesome.Not as bright in sunlight as the droid but not enough to complain.
I now have concerns about the hardware buttons. Not a big fan of pocket dialing.
thats because the incredible is amoled. They are very pretty indoors, but suck hard outside in the sun. I'm outside or in my car most of the time, so as fast and as pretty as the incredible is, I am more than happy to wait for the X
I wouldnt say that, there is only one phone in my mind that is better than the Droid Incredible and that is the Evo 4g...These new Moto Droids (x, and 2) arent better than the DInc. I prefer a smaller phone, and the DInc is the perfect size in my mind, and its fast, and I love Sense. Just my .02
So why do you you like the EVO better than? It has a couple of extra features than the Incredible but that is it, I have heard quite a few people on the EVO forums saying it was a little laggy compared to the incredible. So to me it has a tad bit better features but it is mostly a bigger screen.
Now these two phones are supposed to be faster according to someone who has hands on experience, bigger screens(well I am not sure about Droid 2), HDMI out like the EVO, I guess my point is that the only thing missing from the EVO is the front facing camera and sense if you want that.
I think it depends on what you want, and if you want a big screen. I was just confused on why you think the EVO is better but not these, especially since you dont want a big phone like these?
So why do you you like the EVO better than? It has a couple of extra features than the Incredible but that is it, I have heard quite a few people on the EVO forums saying it was a little laggy compared to the incredible. So to me it has a tad bit better features but it is mostly a bigger screen.
Now these two phones are supposed to be faster according to someone who has hands on experience, bigger screens(well I am not sure about Droid 2), HDMI out like the EVO, I guess my point is that the only thing missing from the EVO is the front facing camera and sense if you want that.
I think it depends on what you want, and if you want a big screen. I was just confused on why you think the EVO is better but not these, especially since you dont want a big phone like these?
Its just that the EVO has more features, I like the Incredible better personally.
Time to sell my Inc and move on up in the world. Engadget's little preview they just did is enough for me to cross over. Love my incredible, haven't had a problem with it, including battery performance. But that screen size on the X and the undoubtedly better omap processor is enough for me to jump ship.
I had a chance to get this phone for free trading my dad my incredible but after taking a day to research b its a no. sense ui makes this phone I love the integration of facebook with people the contact widget is unbeatable nothing like it the bookmark one also, theres also full flash support via a download on xda that only works on sense phones with the x you will have to wait tell 2.2 and I love my amoled screen if you turn on full brightness you can see it fine outdoors. There is tv out support on the incredible also just need a special cable, 720p should be coming soon considering the evo has it with the same processor and camera. Also people disregard the importance of the optical joystick its extremly obnoxious to go back and edit text without it, because you constantly miss where you want to add your letter.
Main issue is size, so if you do not mind probably having to almost always use two hands to operate the device and do not mind the bigger size, this device should be a great choice.
For me, I like the ability to operate the device with one hand. Case in point, this reply was done with Swype with one hand. Tried texting with one hand with EVO and could not do it and I have medium hands. Perhaps if I had bigger hands or at least longer thumbs, my perspective would be different.
Actually, I could operate with one hand, but always awkwardly holding it and at risk of dropping it.
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Extreme vs. Incredible
Sounds like it may have better Arch and GPU abilites, so that's cool. I feel less distracted by that now.
