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Old December 17th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Hi could someone tell this extremely green noob where I can find this mototorch have been looking for a download button for an hour,thanks
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Hi could someone tell this extremely green noob where I can find this mototorch have been looking for a download button for an hour,thanks
What phone do you have? If you have a droid, download Barcode Scanner, then scan my avatar. Then "Open in browser".

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I've been told by an engineer that this sort of use really, really limits the life of the LED since these types of "flash" LEDs are simply not designed for continuous use. Any truth to this?
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I've been told by an engineer that this sort of use really, really limits the life of the LED since these types of "flash" LEDs are simply not designed for continuous use. Any truth to this?
Its possible. But since the droid has only been out for a short period of time, nobody knows.
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I've been told by an engineer that this sort of use really, really limits the life of the LED since these types of "flash" LEDs are simply not designed for continuous use. Any truth to this?
Many of us have used the flashes on previous phones and have never had any reports of an issue with LED life. LED's are designed to last a very long time.

I for one, have used my previous phone as a flashlight for over two years, every night, with no problems. I like to use it when the lights are off as it is easier than waking the wife up with the house lights.
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I really had no intention of making your app look bad. I'm simply bringing across the concerns I myself have about over-using the rear-light. How would you feel when you got that first email about how somebody without a warranty busted their rear-light because of your app. I have nothing against you or your app. I was under the impression this is an open forum for discussion.
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I really had no intention of making your app look bad. I'm simply bringing across the concerns I myself have about over-using the rear-light. How would you feel when you got that first email about how somebody without a warranty busted their rear-light because of your app. I have nothing against you or your app. I was under the impression this is an open forum for discussion.
Maybe if you had actually tried my app, you would know that when the user opens it the first time, I display a disclaimer telling them about this. I also have it on my website, which the "Help" menu in the app sends users to.

And FYI, none of the 200,000+ downloaders of my app have emailed me about my app breaking their phone.

And no, don't pull that, "just concerns". You have posted this twice in this topic, and you posted in the other LED thread about how "BeLight" was a great application, even though it didn't do what the people in that thread was asking for. You are obviously marketing for the app.
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also, my app is free - secondly i have no idea why my post came up twice. I never meant to do that. If there is a way for me to delete the exttraneous post, i'd be happy to.
You posted them almost an hour apart. This means that you came to this thread and typed that in twice.
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Who runs their flashlight app an hour at a time? I basically use it to go to bed after playing WoW without aggroing the raid boss at my home (IE, Wife).
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Old April 19th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #262 (permalink)
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It's a pretty expensive device, and I would rather not use a light that wasn't meant for prolonged use, in a prolonged manner.
And why does Droid light offer a disclaimer warning you about the risks?
So you would rather damage the screen from it being on the highest brightness, rather than damaging the LED on the back? If your screen fails, how are you going use your phone? If your LED fails, you can still use the phone just fine.

And one last note. If Motorola thought it was so bad, why did they release their own?
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So you would rather damage the screen from it being on the highest brightness, rather than damaging the LED on the back? If your screen fails, how are you going use your phone? If your LED fails, you can still use the phone just fine.

And one last note. If Motorola thought it was so bad, why did they release their own?
No, no... I would rather blow out the LED than blow out the screen. Let me phrase it another way:

Blow out LED: preferred
Blow out LCD Screen: not preferred

Flashlight using LED: preferred
Flashlight using LCD @ full white/full bright: not preferred

Your app is the best. No issues so far. And +1 on the Moto release. That's what I'm saying: He says "Android developers," but no quote. Hey guess what? Android developers just released a statement saying that they do not see any problems with prolonged, extended use of the LED light.
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No, no... I would rather blow out the LED than blow out the screen. Let me phrase it another way:

Blow out LED: preferred
Blow out LCD Screen: not preferred

Flashlight using LED: preferred
Flashlight using LCD @ full white/full bright: not preferred

Your app is the best. No issues so far. And +1 on the Moto release. That's what I'm saying: He says "Android developers," but no quote. Hey guess what? Android developers just released a statement saying that they do not see any problems with prolonged, extended use of the LED light.
My bad, I meant to only quote AndroidMike.
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I love this freakin app. and the ease of a widget, are you kidding me, never again will I strain to see the plug in behind the couch to charge my phone.
Its great, my hats off, and for almost every device out there, android or not, there is an app that uses the LED of the phone for a flashlight, just as a side note.
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Give it time, I'm positive someone will speak out when their led breaks.

Honestly, im not trying to market my app, im just trying to participate. Lots of people will agree the Android Marketplace makes it a little hard to get yourself out there.
I give you alot of credit for having 200k+ downloads, and you have a very tight app. But apparently there is only room for the "Big Fish" on this forum. MY apologies, I was under the impression that there was room for everyone. Can't let the little guy try to participate? It's fine, I can see you are being very defensive, even though I never said anything bad about your app.
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Give it time, I'm positive someone will speak out when their led breaks.

Honestly, im not trying to market my app, im just trying to participate. Lots of people will agree the Android Marketplace makes it a little hard to get yourself out there.
I give you alot of credit for having 200k+ downloads, and you have a very tight app. But apparently there is only room for the "Big Fish" on this forum. MY apologies, I was under the impression that there was room for everyone. Can't let the little guy try to participate? It's fine, I can see you are being very defensive, even though I never said anything bad about your app.
It has nothing to do with "Big Fish" and "Little Fish". Notice what this thread is about. It is me telling everybody about my app. I didn't go to somebody else's thread to put down their app to market mine. I created my own thread. I would suggest you do the same.

Of course I am being defensive. This is my app. I don't take the unnecessary criticism of my apps without speaking up. If it's a user of my app, I let them know about the concern and how I personally feel about it. But I am certainly not going to stand by while somebody puts down my app IN MY OWN THREAD to simply try to promote their own. If you read the thread, you would have seen that this has been brought up before. So basically, your criticism was unnecessary. And since I publically state the concern in the disclaimer before the app can be used, that makes it even more unnecessary.
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The LCD was made to be always on. I'm pretty sure an LED adapted to be a camera flash wasn't made to work continuously. And if eclipsed4utoo wouldn't be getting so defensive we might actually hear some other devs chime in with their own thoughts. I was simply trying to start a discussion without reposting a whole blog post into a forum.
Show me somebody that has TESTED it and says that it can't handle being on, and I will listen. Until then, it's just speculation with no data to back it up.

And no, you weren't "trying to start a discussion". You posted here to get people to look at your application.
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@ AndroMike, I was just curious to see your answer to the fact that motorola created their own app that uses the flash as a flashlight. If it was so bad for the LEDs, then why would they do that? I'm not trying to argue with you, but I use Mototorch all the time, and as such would like to know if you know something that we don't.
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I've used MotoTorch LED for months and really like it.

Regarding using LEDs as a flashlight, I used a similar app on my HTC PPC 6800 Windows Mobile phone for TWO YEARS and never had a problem. I'll take my chances and if the LED fries, then I'll switch to the backlight flashlight that is in QuickSettings.
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@ AndroMike, I was just curious to see your answer to the fact that motorola created their own app that uses the flash as a flashlight. If it was so bad for the LEDs, then why would they do that? I'm not trying to argue with you, but I use Mototorch all the time, and as such would like to know if you know something that we don't.
I have pondered the same question, but at the same time that Motorola app also gives a disclaimer alerting the user to that fact - it's what got my attention and it seems to have fallen into two major schools of thought - those who are more conservative and don't wish to risk it, and those who tend to take risks.
I can't confirm or deny either side myself, but I'm leaning toward conservative. I also considered that it could be a numbers game. So if 1 million people download my app (wishful) and use it from time to time over the course of 2 years - how many of those million would have LED issues?

In terms of developing software, we simply didn't want to risk it. Would i use the rear-led on my Droid if I had to? Sure.

I hope that answers your question, but Droid, and the Motorola app are simply too new to tell. It's the prolonged use that *might* create a problem - as per Motorola's own disclaimer on their app.
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I've been playing around with some rooted ROMs and kernels, and surprise, MotorTorch doesn't work on them. However, the camera does work. So I'm not sure which exactly which is the culprit yet. Using CyanogenMod 6 RC 1 with a jdlfg kernel.
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I've been playing around with some rooted ROMs and kernels, and surprise, MotorTorch doesn't work on them. However, the camera does work. So I'm not sure which exactly which is the culprit yet. Using CyanogenMod 6 RC 1 with a jdlfg kernel.
I noticed this too and I am running BB 0.4. I know the motorola droid light still works from motorola on my rooted phone. I want the torch app to get fixed as I miss the widget
 
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what is the deal with all of your posts plugging your site? enough already.
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what is the deal with all of your posts plugging your site? enough already.
more views = more $$ from advertisements.

and i knew the moto torch was the best...all those other screen flashlights suck. and who needs strobes and different colors...i mean seriously
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I like Extended Controls because this feature comes with the app, then theres much more. I don't like having pointless apps.

Edit: Not saying this app is pointless period. It is to me. Already bought EC before i even discovered this app. Just don't like having two apps that can do the same thing.
(Though I did like the effects i can do with mototorch, but still.)
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Reviewed all of them out there, and concluded that MotoTorch LED is simply the best.
"simply the best" is such a subjective statement that it always gives me a chuckle when someone tries to use it to describe anything... in reality, it only depends on what you need for a flashlight app...

Personally, for my needs, TeslaLED works better because it is much brighter of a flashlight... which is the only use I need any of these apps for. If someone needed the other features that MotoTorch has... obviously that would weigh into the equation...

I don't mind when someone ( such as 2guys1droid or anyone ) links to their own site to host a nice video review... in fact, I completely understand that. My only objection ( if you want to call it that ) is when someone over-embellishes a product with claims such as "simply the best"... it always want to make me say "the best for who?"

PS... it is still great to see that MotoTorch LED is finally working on a 2.2 Droid now... I know a lot of users that like it and were upset when it quit working just after 2.2 Roms were being released.
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Well he has spent a good amount of time making those videos and they are done pretty well so I think a click is not to much to ask (dont forget to click on my blog in my signature:P)
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Same here. I just wish that Tesla didn't have the slight delay and "camera lens" sound when it opens, but that is probably a result of whatever makes it brighter.
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Ooh... I see "we" got merged into the main MotoTorch thread ( I probably wouldn't have mentioned the TelsaLED app had I known that would happen )... probably a good place for it still... but I also see the subject being discussed is now about the issue of possible LED failures/problems...

I can sort of understand why some would think that a warning about a possible issue with the LED's may be warrented.... but I still call that type of warning "an idiot's warning" ... sort of like the ones they place on hot coffee now ...

We should already know that running any light, including an LED will cause them to fail sooner than if you never used it at all.... this is true for LED's just as much as it is for an incandecent light. It just seems a bit silly to have to be told that it could happen.... or perhaps even that if I use say the TeslaLED app instead, since it is brighter, that the failure may happen even sooner since the LED's are being pushed harder.

For me... MotoTorch was the first really ( really ) nice app to use the camera LED on the Droid... I'm very thankful for AndoMike for producing this app and then kindly providing it for everyone... So just in case you haven't been thanked recently... thanks again.
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I keep waiting for MotoTorch to be equipped with an intensity slider so I can ditch Tesla.
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Or be able to turn them into laser beams so we can attach them to the heads of our sharks... or is that too much to friggen' ask?
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Or be able to turn them into laser beams so we can attach them to the heads of our sharks... or is that too much to friggen' ask?
Actually, now that you mention it...


The thing about Tesla, it is really bright, but it appears to be using the part of the video setting in 2.2 that allows you to set the LED to the on position for recording. That option is as bright as Tesla.
2 things about that are kinda strange to me; Do the powers that be with regards to giving our Droids updates feel it's not detrimental to the longevity of the LED(s) to have it on that that bright for rather long durations? and secondly, is the fact that every time Tesla is started the aperture is opened or the filter lens is moved or the focusing solenoid kicks in, or whatever the hell that noise is; is that not detrimental to the longevity of the camera either?
Not that I use the light all that much. I mean, maybe a couple times to find the key hole in my door at night after walking home from the bar...
Once though the strobe did come in rather handy as my wife pushing our newborn in a carriage, my 7 year old daughter and myself were walking home from a restaurant at night along a stretch of road in our town that has no sidewalk.
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The thing about Tesla, it is really bright, but it appears to be using the part of the video setting in 2.2 that allows you to set the LED to the on position for recording. That option is as bright as Tesla.
2 things about that are kinda strange to me; Do the powers that be with regards to giving our Droids updates feel it's not detrimental to the longevity of the LED(s) to have it on that that bright for rather long durations? and secondly, is the fact that every time Tesla is started the aperture is opened or the filter lens is moved or the focusing solenoid kicks in, or whatever the hell that noise is; is that not detrimental to the longevity of the camera either?
Not that I use the light all that much. I mean, maybe a couple times to find the key hole in my door at night after walking home from the bar...
Once though the strobe did come in rather handy as my wife pushing our newborn in a carriage, my 7 year old daughter and myself were walking home from a restaurant at night along a stretch of road in our town that has no sidewalk.
As for having the LEDs on for max (defined) power for a length of time - well, no, it is not detrimental in any other way than to shorten the life of the LED by the amount of time that you have it on. of course, this is true for any such electrical light source today - the more it is used, the sooner it is going to fail.

If the actual aperture is being adjusted every time the Tesla app is being used, then yes, it will contribute to its overall failure - but that doesn't mean the aperture will fail before the phone itself fails / is replaced. Until someone can provide tested data that indicates a good average MTBF for both the LEDs and the aperture (or whatever part of the camera goes active when Tesla is used) all you *can* say is that you are contributing to the failure of the device - but in that case, as long as your phone is on, you're contributing to the failure of your phone, too. As long as you are reading the screen, you're contributing to the failure of your screen As long as you are swiping and touching and scrolling and such on the capacitive interface of the screen, you're contributing to the failure of that as well.

The choice is yours - an as another poster mentioned above, the app you choose is going to be base upon your own needs and wants. I have both installed, as I have always used MOTOTorch LED until it broke in 2. a few months ago, and then I added Tesla. Tesla is nice and bright - but since I use only the flashlight regardless of which I want to use, until MOTOTorch started working again I was using Tesla exclusively.

Now, I am back to MOTOTorch - b/c it works, and it does what I need it to.
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As for having the LEDs on for max (defined) power for a length of time - well, no, it is not detrimental in any other way than to shorten the life of the LED by the amount of time that you have it on. of course, this is true for any such electrical light source today - the more it is used, the sooner it is going to fail.

If the actual aperture is being adjusted every time the Tesla app is being used, then yes, it will contribute to its overall failure - but that doesn't mean the aperture will fail before the phone itself fails / is replaced. Until someone can provide tested data that indicates a good average MTBF for both the LEDs and the aperture (or whatever part of the camera goes active when Tesla is used) all you *can* say is that you are contributing to the failure of the device - but in that case, as long as your phone is on, you're contributing to the failure of your phone, too. As long as you are reading the screen, you're contributing to the failure of your screen As long as you are swiping and touching and scrolling and such on the capacitive interface of the screen, you're contributing to the failure of that as well.

The choice is yours - an as another poster mentioned above, the app you choose is going to be base upon your own needs and wants. I have both installed, as I have always used MOTOTorch LED until it broke in 2. a few months ago, and then I added Tesla. Tesla is nice and bright - but since I use only the flashlight regardless of which I want to use, until MOTOTorch started working again I was using Tesla exclusively.

Now, I am back to MOTOTorch - b/c it works, and it does what I need it to.
...Reported for being long winded, and I completely agree. However, there's a bit of difference between use of the touch screen depleting overall life of that component and the use of a rather bright (pretty damned bright!) use of the LED which is meant to be bright, but flashed quickly.
So, while yes it's true that use of all the components constitutes USE, how they're used clearly has an impact on longevity.



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