bruceo

Just added this video illustrating the same card in an Eris and some feedback on other features I feel sorely missing on the droid

Last edited by bruceo; 12-04-2009 at 11:27 PM.

travva

no one cares.

colnago

Some people care, especially given that the DROID is being marketed as a direct competitor to the iphone. However I'm thinking that the lag vs. iphone could be due to iphone not having as high a resolution as Droid, and who knows what background/foreground processes are active on the Droid, given that iphone is not a big multitasker.

Personally I don't understand why people get hung-up on multi-touch, but everyone has their requirments. I'd never want, nor expect an all-in-one device to perform at similar levels as a dedicated device (camera). I would have been happy, and not returned my DROIDs, if it just performed better as "a phone" (poor reception).

bruceo

Yeah that the superfast droid cant even handle basic photo viewing as fast as a 2G Ipod....

Juneau

Why are you even on this forum?

I did not look at your post history, but I have noticed some of your posts the last couple of days and it seems that you really do not like the Droid and you truly enjoy the iPhone. I am just curious why you even post. I do not want this to come across as an attack, as I am truly just curious. I am interested in what motivates you. Thanks.

As for the picture viewing abilities compared to the iPhone, I use a real camera for pictures that are important to me and do not keep thousands of photos on my phone so I do not have the "problem" shown in the video. I just know that I have used several versions of the iPhone (not mine) and I did not enjoy the inability to customize it. This is what I enjoy. I do not want a device that a three year old can use, as I am much older and would be very bored with such a device. I need a level of difficulty that makes me think about what I want to accomplish and the ability to proceed in various different directions.

I am not bashing the iPhone, it is a great device. I just do not want one myself. I enjoy tinkering with my equipment and making it do what I want, even if it doesn't do a few things as well as another device. Overall it makes me happy, which the iPhone does not.

So if your curious, the pleasure of tinkering with things is what motivates me.

dave412_4

this really isnt that big of a deal, but on the droid all media is stored on the micro sd correct? and not knowing what kind of memory the ipod touch has what if the ipod has faster memory when the ipod accessing the photos?

Not only that but im sure the memory chip is directly hooked up with the circuit board in the ipod.

Bobarazzi

The only thing I agree with is, the Gallery App. sucks BAD! I can't even open it without it completely locking up my DROID.(requiring battery pull)

However, It is probably my fault...I think I may have corrupted it somehow when I first started playing with mine (adding every app. under the sun).

When I use other photo viewers (like Astro) The are no problems.

I am happy with the one-handed operation of the DROID's photo viewing. I only have to tap in one spot on my screen to get to the next pic. (2 taps, at most)... as opposed to swiping my fingers across the width of my screen, hence smudging a larger area. (and sometimes getting stuck, mid-drag)

2 taps, to zoom in (with one hand) as opposed to grabbing the phone in my left hand (or placing on a surface) only to drag 2 fingers across the phone again.

No Thanks.

By the way. On the DROID, I can view the next pictures as fast as I can tap...which is a lot faster than you can drag. It also requires more energy to swipe. (for me, at least)

sooper_droid12

He's a troll. All he does is troll around and bash the DROID. From what I gather, he doesn't ever keep a phone. Trades them in every 30 days. He has some weird animosity to the phone. He's basically been doing that all over the board.

Hey bro, touch not sensitive? How about trying to touch on an actual icon? Ever consider the fact that the DROID stores the photos in higher resolution and needs to render those photos in higher resolution compared to your iPod? How about the fact that the photos are stored on an SD card? C'mon man. Real world test? Laughable!

Last edited by sooper_droid12; 12-04-2009 at 04:58 PM.

Bobarazzi

Ditto

Bobarazzi

Guy in video opens folder which says 6,403 photos...then in next sentence, guy in video says...I can scan through literally 100's of thousands of photos...funny.

ratchetjaw

Your an idiot, i came out and said what everyone knows. Why in the hell would you need to scroll that dam fast and cant even see what the hell your looking for. Look hard enough and you find stuff. Dumb ass post sheesh

bruceo

Ummm because I own the Droid and want it to be what they advertised it to be? If you don't raise your expectations then these handset makers will never rise to them.

Dude i have those 6 thou on the Touch i was only demonstrating a fraction of that capacity on the Droid.

the prob is the 3 yr old can use the deice that is more feature rich and capable than the device you were sold as being more capable than the device the 3 yr old is using.

there are plenty of times something happens that are important to you and you dont have a "real" camera around. Currently the droid fails for many of those picture/video taking and viewing situations.

bruceo

Ummm. yeah.. when you set up your photo sync for the ipod it gives you the option to store photos in their original resolution. It is not rendering them in the original resoultion thats why they are called thumbnails... You know the things that are low resolution renditions so you can quickly scan and find what you are looking for.....

Last edited by bruceo; 12-04-2009 at 05:21 PM.

bruceo

Typical response.. obviously it shows how many photos and I meant to say hundreds or thousands. You caould see scrolled 6,000 photos in a few seconds where the droid was struggling with 700....

sooper_droid12

What the heck is your beef with the advertising? It's like VZW promised you the world and gave you a patch of grass. VZW can hardly be faulted with their advertising and have been consistent in only saying what the DROID does.

The commercials didn't say: "Want to take night videos? The DROID does that!" Did they? I think you're expectations are way to high. You have to understand that things like on-board cameras are going to have compromises. That's why you should NEVER expect to use these cameras to win any photo contests.

And I think you're confusing your response in this thread to another DROID bashing thread you posted. This is about how the phone scrolls through its gallery. Keep your bashing threads straight!

sooper_droid12

The screen bro... is a higher resolution. More pixels to render. In combination with the other things mentioned bro... SD card transfer, etc. C'mon man. You gotta do better than that.

bruceo

Umm because when you open an album you may want to go to a specific timeframe and if it takes you a crapload of time to scroll down and then you cant even see the thumbs at all until you stop and wait for them to load that is idiotic....

A lot like having hundreds of folders in outlook converted to labels in gmail and then to find a label you have to scroll way down in the the gmail app because it doesnt provide a coarse scroll handle, so to get that particular common sense feature you have to download K9 just for that....

Of course you prob wouldnt have folders or labels for your email because you probably just use your phone for texting and playing 2nd rate games....

sooper_droid12

Hey, bruceo, my home computer has problem rendering thumbnails from my photo folder especially when I scroll down really fast. Do you think I should update my CPU to the one that's in the iPod so that that they'd render faster? Since you're an expert on how CPUs render thumbnails from memory, can you enlighten us on the differences of how Apple's on-board NAND flash memory enables it to access its info compared to standard flash memory cards like those found on the DROID?

Last edited by sooper_droid12; 12-04-2009 at 05:44 PM.

Gunner

While your posts are 'interesting', I'm not going to bash you. Just going to ask a simple and completely serious question.

Why don't you return your Droid, and go get an iphone? You obviously want to. So why don't you? You seem to be absolutely miserable w/ your Droid. Why don't you return it? Asking seriously.

bruceo

LOL... Faster than a racehorse taped to a scud missle. They forgot to put in the disclaimer that it is flying through a ocean of moleasses. Oh they prob did put in the discalimer it is just down there hidden in micetype next to where it also says you get an $350 termination fee, erroneous charges, reduced corp discount and updates that will come after your trial period has run out....

ratchetjaw

Lol uh ok, i wont get into verbal gymnastics with you. I was taught "dont argue with idiots cause they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience " that said i have a 3g and 3gs and the Droid. They are all good phones but your constant badgering is getting old real fast

sooper_droid12

My ETF is $175. And my Gov't discount hasn't changed... still solid. And my bill has always been ludicrous, but that's the same for all wireless providers. As for the updates, I'm glad they're at least tackling the issues.

CatsTide

user error...mine doesn't hang up like the op's

bruceo

As can be garnered from my overall posts but in summary. I dont like AT&T's plans. I don't like apple (much of my opinion garnered from my experience in the video prod world) I spent many frustrating hours modding my Mogul and subsequent touch pro to actually work as advertised but always still ended up failing miserably at even the most basic tasks, frustration which carries over to the Droid which is far better but still fails in so many ways that it shouldn't especially given the way it is/was sold.

Coming from a crappy Mogul and Tocuh Pro i have no real great love for HTC, But the Droid with HTCs apps would actually make a magnificent phone and from what i can tell the HD2 with android instead of winmo would be my dream phone, but that remains to be seen. What I don't get is why all the good handsets always go euro and rarely make it to the US. Hopefully that will change with this new direction that Sprint and VZ have been going with lifestyle centered handsets.

I just dont see anything i have posted as being invalid and the only time i would feel like someone was assuming i was a prick is if they were blinded by the same fanboyism that they accuse the Apple guys of being. i can ASSURE everyone that I am generally unbiased when it comes to this stuff. I just want the stuff to work as advertised and expected of devices in this class at this day and age.

If it fails a little in retina scanning for secure access or facial recognition or speech to text or any other new and cutting edge feature that is acceptable, but (not specifically referring to the Droid)failing in common sense ergonomics, functionality, or basic features that have been in place long enough in varieties of handsets to be considered expected standards should not be acceptable.

Same thing goes for a lot of stuff. I get pissed off everytime i get a new device and all the bluetooth accessories dont work correctly or the same way. WTF bluetooth has standards. Basic stuff... like... Clear audio within 30 feet, Stop, play, pause, Vol up/dn, etc etc. Why do some work and others partially or dont at all but all have the bluetooth logo? Its just nonsensical and negligent IMO. As I have said before, if these guys ran airlines they'd be crashing planes daily.... And for you guys to continue to flounder and make excuses for them is just old, but i guess i'm in the minority here....

bruceo

Good for you!

bruceo

Cool. Can you put 700+ photos on there and then demonstrate for us. That would be very helpful. I'm going to transfer the photos to the class 2 that came with the Droid and see if there is a difference.

CatsTide

onr thing that you did a little wrong that made the operation seem bad was when you paused on a pic...you don't have to tap the top to bring up the arrows again.you can just tap the side again to bring up the arrows. i do wish it had swipe instead of the arrows.

Bobarazzi

yeahbut...while the iphone is winning the "gallery race", the DROID is running several races, simultaneously, winning most of them.

...and it's out for debate, weather or not this is happening on every DROID.

Gunner

Don't know what to say other than nothing in this world is perfect...nothing. Not people, nor the products they produce. The more you roll w/ that reality, the happier you'll be. I readily agree the Droid has flaws, issues, annoyances. But it is still by far the best phone I've ever used. Is something better going to come out? Of course. Probably next year even. Will it be pefect? No, it will not. I guarantee you.

colnago

Not that your post is invalid, its just not qualified. It may have helped if you first shown what else was running on the Droid before posting any performance based results. Also keep in mind that the SD card given with the phone is a large slow Class 2 microSD. I'm sure performance would improve with a class 4 or 6, just like an upgrade on the iPhone's microSD.

Last edited by colnago; 12-04-2009 at 06:47 PM.

square

complain more.

bruceo

As i thought I said in the video and have posted it was a off of my Sandisk 16GB class 6 card and I even did a full error and bad sector scan just to make sure there were no faults.

It shouldn't matter what was running on the droid because android is multitasking, right? So to get good gallery performance i should say hold on I'll show you the pic after I put in my class 6 card reboot the phone open a task manager, kill running apps and then browse th my pic using a kludgy interface?

I am going to test just the pics on the class 2 card because I suspect maybe performance is hit because i have 12 gigs of videos, photos and files on the class 6 card. Although that would still be bush because then you'd need to disclaim the fact that as your 16GB of storage fills up your speed drops wayyy down. where that doesnt occur on the ipod that i have been able to tell...

BottledHate

photos on my itouch are optimized by itunes before being put on....

photos on my droid scrolls fast too, accept the large 5mp photos, and backgrounds that don't scroll fast.

i wonder if someone optimized a few thousand pics just for the screens resolution, the results might be different.

edit:
for all i know itunes creates a small thumb image at the same time as optimizing the pic.... droid renders the icons/thumbs on the fly.

Last edited by BottledHate; 12-04-2009 at 07:21 PM.

colnago

I wouldn't know if you said it on the vid...wasn't listening, and didn't see anything to that effect. No you shouldn't have to stop and switch, cards, a faster card should already be in there. As far as multitasking, we don't know what possible buggy app you've installed and possibly jacking up your phone. This forum is full of varying reports of lagg, or absence of, along with reasons for it.

But for someone so obviously into photography, and clearly knowlegable to an advanced state, why would you use a cell phone as such an important/primary photo device?

bruceo

Really... are you asking me this quesion for real....Because i dont lug around by backs and lenses all the time for personal stuff. that's for uncle charlie who has nothing beter to shoot with his Digital rebel...Which is why I have a Lumix LX3 for most of my personal stull, its an awesome compact and what i actually use to shoot even most of my family video stuff even though i have Several Sony Z7U cams. But I find myself in PLENTY of situations where having a half decent cameraphone gets me great images. My last trip to the keys i didn't even bother bringing my LX3 to the beach I just took shots with the HTC Hero and processed them in cam with CameraZoomFX app and I loved them. When the kids are doing somehing cut it is nice to whip out the phone and get a decent video, not say... Hold on while I grab the cam and you do that again.... If I was going to take holiday card pics or 8x10 ports yeah i would have shot with my DSLR...

colnago

Fair enough, but wow...6000+ pics on a phone camera? Good luck with that.

bruceo

Its not all photos taken with the cameraphone. It is photos constantly synched to my pics and docs on the raid for instant acess and archive at all times.

Why not do that? If my raid goes down in a catastrophe then i actually have all of my family photos saved with me at all times as well as all of my thousands of personal and business documents in PDF. Why not if you have the storage space and if the ipod can instantly browse them, why can't the droid since it is advertised to beat that kind of device.

Are you telling me it is not advertised to beat that device? Are you telling me I shouldn't exect it to have that capability? I did the same thing on my Touch Pro... Should the Droid not do that?

Last edited by bruceo; 12-04-2009 at 08:00 PM.

BottledHate

maybe instant access and reference?

my itouch (1st gen) doesn't retain the full resolution of the photo synced through itunes... does your iphone? have you tried manually puling the photos off the phone and seeing what quality you are left with? .....is that really backing them up if they aren't original quality?

Last edited by BottledHate; 12-04-2009 at 08:07 PM.

bruceo

You check include full resolution photos.

Hee is a good engadget tut on retrieving data and see the manually retriving photos near the bottom.

BottledHate

good to know might find some use for that old thing(itouch)... i have way too many photos that could use another backup source!

colnago

I don't know...I didn't design the phone, nor develop the marketing strategy. Again, I also don't know what else you've done with your phone to make it laggy. As stated, the screen res is higher on DROID than iPhone. If your requirement to have access to 6000+ photos "instantly accessible", as part of a redundant backup, and the Droid isn't doing it, move on. Try the Nokia n900. I've seen it handle 27 apps running simultaneously and it has 1GB of RAM. It also has a 5Mp Carl Zeiss FWIW.

If the photo and video features aren't up to snuff, try a 3rd party. iphone is all about "there's an app for that", why not the DROID. Sorry its not working and I can't be a help. My DROIDS went back a week ago.

Also, can you even change the SD card in an iPhone?

Last edited by colnago; 12-04-2009 at 08:51 PM.

bruceo

Just as i suspected. When I moved the 700 pics to the class 2 card that te Droid came with the thumbnails were instant. But when i moved all the data to the class 2 card which was 12 GB of the 16GB Then it was WAAAYYY worse. Where with 12GB on the class 6 card even though the thumbs were white when scrolling once I stopped you could see them populate the screen very fast. On the class 2 once they stopped you had to wait for about 5 secs or so then they would start filling up.

So unfortunately it looks like the Droid has 16GB of storage but if you start filling it up your performance takes a HUGE hit.

bruceo

Why would you need to with 32GC full performance beats the SD sotrage because it lags the phone more as you fill it up. I have a class 6 and it lags like as in the video. use the affordable class 2 and it is at least 5 times worse.

iboombastic

yeah they need to fix the multimedia apps, which maybe they will for the android 2.5 update.

krichek

I think if you do another test with just pics what you'll find is that it's the videos you have on there that is slowing things down. I just did a test a little while ago, exported roughly 5000 pics to .jpgs as I shoot in raw, and copied them to the phone. I could scroll through them as fast as I could swipe the screen forward an back with no lag/white boxes.. I tossed in about 12-15 videos after that and then I noticed some slowing but not like what you had in your video.

If there was a way to exclude videos from appearing when showing all photos I don't think there would be any issue at all.

bruceo

yes you can exclude videos or pics you dont want to show up in the gallery by just using a file browser and browse to that folder then put a period before the folder name and then it wont be seen by the gallery.

But that shouldnt matter. The software should be engineered to cache the thumbnails so there is little to no lag. The Ipod prob has 30 videos or more on ther.

I am posting another video with my findings and applying to the eris with other feedback i have been trying to illustrate.

bruceo

How full is your card?

Mine is at about 12GB with documents, music and such that are hidden from the gallery. i dont have many videos displaying in the gallery

square

the eris is "very laggy" but a "much better experience"?

where is the "ignore douche" button?

bruceo

Just click your name and read your replies to others then you'll know the true definition of Douche. Now go back to the NAMBLA forums where you can contribute your personal experience instead of weak one word or one line replies without substance that you leave on this forum.

square

i had to google NAMBLA. you knew what that was? wow.

edit... i forgot.

complain more.

Last edited by square; 12-05-2009 at 12:06 AM.