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Old December 4th, 2009, 10:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ringer Volume Lock? Other volume question

Is there any way to lock the ringer volume? I keep my phone on vibrate always... well, I try to, but sometimes I hit the volume button on accident and it would be nice to not have to adjust it. Not only do I not want the phone to ring, but I don't want it to not vibrate (all the way down).

Also, I still don't always understand when I can adjust other volumes, like Media Volume. Sometimes I start an app or music and the volume is too loud. It seems like sometimes I can't adjust the volume till after it starts playing.

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Old December 5th, 2009, 02:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I found an app called "Volume Control" (the one with ladybug icon). It's a simple ringer control that automatically reverts the ringer volume to whatever it is set to.

I just hope it doesn't use much memory - it stays in notification bar as "ongoing."
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Is there any way to lock the ringer volume? I keep my phone on vibrate always... well, I try to, but sometimes I hit the volume button on accident and it would be nice to not have to adjust it. Not only do I not want the phone to ring, but I don't want it to not vibrate (all the way down).
It's available on the Android Market, it's called "Lock Ringer" by Slackey Software for $1.19
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Try also, "Sound Manager". It's great; you can set volume levels of all things on the phone (ringer, media, notifications, etc) individually, and you can also set times for them to be silent, etc.
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Try also, "Sound Manager". It's great; you can set volume levels of all things on the phone (ringer, media, notifications, etc) individually, and you can also set times for them to be silent, etc.
Very cool stock looking app with no adware.
In your experience have you ever been able to set the "notification" volume separately from the "ringer" volume? I was under the impression that they are the same audio stream, at least on the Droid and G1.
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In your experience have you ever been able to set the "notification" volume separately from the "ringer" volume? I was under the impression that they are the same audio stream, at least on the Droid and G1.
I know on the Droid you can set them separately, in sound settings->ringer volume, uncheck the box that says "use ringer volume for notifications" and a second slider appears for you to adjust your notification volume separately
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In your experience have you ever been able to set the "notification" volume separately from the "ringer" volume? I was under the impression that they are the same audio stream, at least on the Droid and G1.
I absolutely have.

Go into Menu/Sound and Display/Ringer Volume and you'll see two different volume sliders,one for the ringer, one for notifications.
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Also, I still don't always understand when I can adjust other volumes, like Media Volume. Sometimes I start an app or music and the volume is too loud. It seems like sometimes I can't adjust the volume till after it starts playing.
Also, this can be done with "AudioManager Pro" from Smart Android Apps, LLC for $0.99US
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I've just put a free app on the market just for this situation. It's called "Volume Locker" and it's a very lightweight app. It will lock any stream you want, and allows you to quickly override the locked setting by clicking a notification when the volume is changed. If you don't click the notification within 30 seconds, your volume settings will be reverted back to the last locked in value. Feel free to give it a try and provide feedback
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I found an app called "Volume Control" (the one with ladybug icon). It's a simple ringer control that automatically reverts the ringer volume to whatever it is set to.

I just hope it doesn't use much memory - it stays in notification bar as "ongoing."
I use this as well and my only complaint is that it doesn't start automatically if you restart the phone.
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I use this as well and my only complaint is that it doesn't start automatically if you restart the phone.
I wrote Volume Locker because of that app actually. I liked the concept, but it was a hassle to manage and it constantly drained my battery.

Opening an app to change the sound level was time consuming, then of course it was constantly in the tray and polling the sound manager every second. Add to that the fact that it didn't restart itself on boot.

I condensed the ability to change the sound levels by allowing the user to override the default value by clicking the notification in the tray within 30 seconds. Not clicking it reverts the sound levels back to the original settings.

Also it lets you lock multiple sound levels (notification, ringer, voice call, etc). All in all I feel it's a bit cleaner of an implementation.
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I installed Volume Locker and it looks good but I wish the 30 seconds was adjustable. Now I'll sit and stare at it for 30 long seconds to make sure it worked.
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I installed Volume Locker and it looks good but I wish the 30 seconds was adjustable. Now I'll sit and stare at it for 30 long seconds to make sure it worked.
What options would you like? 5s, 10s, 15s, 20s, etc?
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What options would you like? 5s, 10s, 15s, 20s, etc?
5 seconds would be plenty of time for me to decide if I want the volume level to stick. I'm probably different in that my hearing is going so I have it loud all the time.
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5 seconds would be plenty of time for me to decide if I want the volume level to stick. I'm probably different in that my hearing is going so I have it loud all the time.
Sure thing, I'll push an update tonight with a timeout selection option.
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Sure thing, I'll push an update tonight with a timeout selection option.
Now that's service, thanks!
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Sure thing, I'll push an update tonight with a timeout selection option.
I just did the update and it is just what I needed - thank you very much!

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All hail Scythe, the savior of haulers-out-of-the-pocket and left-handed Droid users everywhere!!! (If you are a right hander- or someone who merely holds the phone in your right hand- try holding the phone up to your ear with your left hand and notice how your fingers land SPOT ON the volume control rocker!)

Scythe, may your path always be aided with tailwinds and may your every commute be traffic-less. Never doubt that there is a legion of Droid users praising you silently-and not so silently- the second they find your application in the murky swamp that is the Google market. You can't hear it, but rest assured that I burst into a spontaneous rendition of "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" when I realized that I could now restart my phone without having to open up a volume control app. (Understand the "he" is generic; should you be a woman, I will just as lustily cheer "For SHE'S a jolly good fellow.") Quite simply, (and understand that underneath the normally overblown rhetoric notwithstanding, this is some of my highest and most heartfelt praise,) this app doesn't suck. At all.
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All hail Scythe, the savior of haulers-out-of-the-pocket and left-handed Droid users everywhere!!! (If you are a right hander- or someone who merely holds the phone in your right hand- try holding the phone up to your ear with your left hand and notice how your fingers land SPOT ON the volume control rocker!)

Scythe, may your path always be aided with tailwinds and may your every commute be traffic-less. Never doubt that there is a legion of Droid users praising you silently-and not so silently- the second they find your application in the murky swamp that is the Google market. You can't hear it, but rest assured that I burst into a spontaneous rendition of "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow" when I realized that I could now restart my phone without having to open up a volume control app. (Understand the "he" is generic; should you be a woman, I will just as lustily cheer "For SHE'S a jolly good fellow." Quite simply, (and understand that underneath the normally overblown rhetoric notwithstanding, this is some of my highest and most heartfelt praise,) this app doesn't suck. At all.

Hahaha! I feel like I need to print that on a poster and put it on my wall
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I just did the update and it is just what I needed - thank you very much!

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Glad to help!

If you think up anymore improvements (or find a bug) feel free to let me know.
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I have "Wheres My Droid" app, will the lock function interfere w/ that? Same w/ me, I don't really need to adjust the ring volume or the phone volume....just need to switch it off when appropriate.
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It will ring for as long as 30 seconds, until the notification times out and the volume level is reset.

I'm wondering if there should be an option to unlock the volume when the phone's lock screen is up (the one with the slider bar to unlock the phone)? That would potentially allow for folks to be able to schedule ringers and such.

Would that be helpful to any of you guys? I have no problem implementing it. It will also allow you to mute your volume with the slider bar on the lock screen. If so, should it reset your volume back to what it was when the screen is unlocked?
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Personally I think the app should be set to over ride everything except the mute function, which is on the same screen w/ the unlock function.....so when I go to church, I can mute it and when out can slide the icon to turn it back on to the last volume setting.
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Personally I think the app should be set to over ride everything except the mute function, which is on the same screen w/ the unlock function.....so when I go to church, I can mute it and when out can slide the icon to turn it back on to the last volume setting.

I'll implement an option to disable locking while the user has the system lock screen up. I'll also have an option to save the changed values on unlock. That should allow overriding Volume Locker for those who use the schedule ringer applications, where's my droid, and other similar apps that change volume settings when the phone is locked.

The problem with ignoring the mute option is that lots of folks leave their phone on the vibrate setting. If they hit the volume rocker down once, it will also mute the phone.

There's sadly no way for me to determine if it's the lock screen that set the volume, or if the volume rocker set the volume. All I know is that the ringer and notification volume are set to zero. It's a flaw in the design of Android's sound system.

So, effectively I don't know how it was changed, I just know that it was.

I can however detect if the lock screen is up, and I can detect when the screen is unlocked. So I think this would be a good workaround.
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Not sure what's wrong, but I'm not getting a popup screen about the volume change from the side button...
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Cool, lemme know if you have any other issues. I'll put up an update tonight with a "disable while screen's locked" option
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Uploaded the update. You can now disable Volume Locker from resetting the volume while the locked screen is up. If you unlock the screen, it will prompt you to confirm the volume change.

If you select "Auto Save Changes" under it, it will automatically save the changes that occur while the screen is locked.

Use both settings if you use a ring scheduling app.

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Scythe, great app! So much better than other free ones I have seen (ie ringguard). Very nicely integrated.
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Scythe, great app! So much better than other free ones I have seen (ie ringguard). Very nicely integrated.

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Let me know if you guys come up with any new ideas or find any bugs.

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- Researching navigation volume locking
- Widget's to turn on/off Volume Locker, and quick switches for Silent/Vibrate (skipping the notification)
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Let me know if you guys come up with any new ideas or find any bugs.

Current ideas in progress:
- Researching navigation volume locking
- Widget's to turn on/off Volume Locker, and quick switches for Silent/Vibrate (skipping the notification)

Does this work during in-call? I'd like to "lock" my in-call volume. Is there an app for that or could you add it to this app? Thanks.
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Does this work during in-call? I'd like to "lock" my in-call volume. Is there an app for that or could you add it to this app? Thanks.
There is a setting for call volume so it will work for that.
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RingGuard is what I've been using for a while and it works very well. the timeout is adjustable as well.
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Does this work during in-call? I'd like to "lock" my in-call volume. Is there an app for that or could you add it to this app? Thanks.
As stevehy said, yes there's a setting to do that in Volume Locker. What it'll do is while you're on a call it'll let you change the volume, and once your call is complete it will prompt you to save the in-call volume if it's been changed (or if you've disabled the timeout notification, it'll just set it back to the volume you locked it at). If you don't save the volume it'll set it back to the locked value. That way if someone is really quiet on the phone you can still adjust it.

Is that what you want or do you want it to constantly set it back to a set value while you're on the call? I can modify the app to do that as well (I've contemplated making it an option, but no one has said they wanted it and I thought it might be a bad user experience).
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Volume locker is very good. However, on the Incredible the notifications are kind of a pain to get to, making confirming changes somewhat of a pain. One other app I saw actually had a popup window that you could use to confirm changes. I kinda liked that (except it didn't work right). If that kind of confirmation dialog was added to Volume Locker, it would be my perfect solution.

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Volume locker is very good. However, on the Incredible the notifications are kind of a pain to get to, making confirming changes somewhat of a pain. One other app I saw actually had a popup window that you could use to confirm changes. I kinda liked that (except it didn't work right). If that kind of confirmation dialog was added to Volume Locker, it would be my perfect solution.

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The reason I went with the notification was that the pop up steals focus from any app your in. So if you're playing a full-screen game or you're using an app that you want constant focus on like Google Navigation -- it'll break in and ruin whatever you are doing. I'll see if I can work on an option for it though. I'll add it to my "todo" list.
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The reason I went with the notification was that the pop up steals focus from any app your in. So if you're playing a full-screen game or you're using an app that you want constant focus on like Google Navigation -- it'll break in and ruin whatever you are doing. I'll see if I can work on an option for it though. I'll add it to my "todo" list.
is it possible to add an "auto accept" list? right now im manually locking the volume when im at work, and when i get off work, before the sound manager schedule kicks in... while it works, but it is a hassle.
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is it possible to add an "auto accept" list? right now im manually locking the volume when im at work, and when i get off work, before the sound manager schedule kicks in... while it works, but it is a hassle.
Unfortunately there's no way of knowing where/what exactly changed the volume (otherwise it would be a trivial problem).

If you have a scheduling app, what you should do is check: "Disable Volume Lock While Screen's Locked", and right below that check "Auto Save Any Changes"

That way your scheduled app is allowed to modify the sound settings, and Volume Locker will just accept the new values (locking only the sound settings while the screen is in the unlocked state).

What's the exact name of the app you're using by the way, since I might be able to make that app work with it properly?
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As stevehy said, yes there's a setting to do that in Volume Locker. What it'll do is while you're on a call it'll let you change the volume, and once your call is complete it will prompt you to save the in-call volume if it's been changed (or if you've disabled the timeout notification, it'll just set it back to the volume you locked it at). If you don't save the volume it'll set it back to the locked value. That way if someone is really quiet on the phone you can still adjust it.

Is that what you want or do you want it to constantly set it back to a set value while you're on the call? I can modify the app to do that as well (I've contemplated making it an option, but no one has said they wanted it and I thought it might be a bad user experience).
I'll have to try this out. I was thinking more on the lines of:

-I set my in-call volume
-If by accident I hit the volume rocker, the volume doesn't change
-I'd have to hit the volume rocker again quickly to change the volume or a notification message pops up asking if I want to change the volume
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I'll have to try this out. I was thinking more on the lines of:

-I set my in-call volume
-If by accident I hit the volume rocker, the volume doesn't change
-I'd have to hit the volume rocker again quickly to change the volume or a notification message pops up asking if I want to change the volume
I can implement it that way if you'd like.
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I can implement it that way if you'd like.

I would, but I dunno if others would mind/complain.
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I would, but I dunno if others would mind/complain.
That's what options are for

Should be fine, I'll just make the current behavior default.
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nice, thanks! Post on here when the update is done? Thanks again!
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nice, thanks! Post on here when the update is done? Thanks again!
Sounds good, I'll let you know.
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Unfortunately there's no way of knowing where/what exactly changed the volume (otherwise it would be a trivial problem).

If you have a scheduling app, what you should do is check: "Disable Volume Lock While Screen's Locked", and right below that check "Auto Save Any Changes"

That way your scheduled app is allowed to modify the sound settings, and Volume Locker will just accept the new values (locking only the sound settings while the screen is in the unlocked state).

What's the exact name of the app you're using by the way, since I might be able to make that app work with it properly?
the app is actually called "sound manager" lol

i did try the lock screen trick, but on some occasion i would miss the volume change notification when i was on a fullscreen app
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the app is actually called "sound manager" lol

i did try the lock screen trick, but on some occasion i would miss the volume change notification when i was on a fullscreen app

I'll email the dev and see if we can get him to call an intent to notify Volume Locker and other apps that he's changing the volume levels. Setting Profiles has done this and a few others, I just need to add in support which is fairly easy. Also he'd have to push an update to call out as well.

I'll drop him a line tonight and see if he's interested in helping out.
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I'll email the dev and see if we can get him to call an intent to notify Volume Locker and other apps that he's changing the volume levels. Setting Profiles has done this and a few others, I just need to add in support which is fairly easy. Also he'd have to push an update to call out as well.

I'll drop him a line tonight and see if he's interested in helping out.
which "few others" are you talking about?

im going to try setting profiles; been using sound manager for ages (also havent been updated for ages)
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which "few others" are you talking about?

im going to try setting profiles; been using sound manager for ages (also havent been updated for ages)
Ahh, looks like Locale and Setting Profiles are still working on the details. I'll add them in once they get something formalized...
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