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Old December 18th, 2009, 02:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Droid as a Playstation 3 remote control??

So I searched and searched because I didn't want to duplicate a thread, but didn't find anything. So here is my question.

Since the Playstation 3 uses bluetooth, the remote that you buy in stores for it is bluetooth, and our Motorola Droids are bluetooth compatible, would it be possible for someone (not me cause I don't know how) to make an app that would enable the Droid to be a bluetooth remote for the Playstation 3??

I know there are apps to turn it into a remote, but I think this requires an separate adapter or receiver. Anyways, if anyone knows if its even possible or not, please let me know. If it is possible, does anyone want to tackle this app?? I know I would be willing to pay for it, as I'm sure others might as well.

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Old December 18th, 2009, 02:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think the Bluetooth on the PS3 and Droid are compatible. That might require root access, or may not be possible at all.
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I was afraid of that. I understand that there are several different bluetooth profiles and such, but I don't have the slightest idea what they mean and what is compatible with what. I haven't been planning on rooting my phone, but if it makes this possible, then I might have to look into it and research it more.

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That would be an awesome feature.
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Bump! Hopefully someone who knows a little more about all the bluetooth stuff will stop in here and comment. Thanks.
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I know nothing about Bluetooth but a lot about PS3 control because that is the largest category of products we sell and there are several solutions that will allow you to convert an IR signal from a universal remote to the Bluetooth signal for the PS3. But there are no Bluetooth solutions for current phones or devices.

The reason I don't think using the BT radio of the Droid is possible is simply because no one has done it for the Apple iPhone yet. I am not an iPhone fan but there is an iPhone solution for just about everything. The Droid is catching up but it's still too new.

We have just brought in an iPhone to IR control solution called the RedEye and I would expect that to have PS3 control built in if it were possible. But since it does not I am assuming there's much more to it.

I hope this helps.
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I was just searching for the same thing. I would love to use my phone as a remote control for both my TV and my PS3.
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As of right now it is not possible. From what I understand Sony has done something with the bluetooth on the playstation to make it proprietary. That is why if you buy a non-sony wireless controller for the playstation you still have to plug an adapter into the playstation itself to use it.
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As of right now it is not possible. From what I understand Sony has done something with the bluetooth on the playstation to make it proprietary. That is why if you buy a non-sony wireless controller for the playstation you still have to plug an adapter into the playstation itself to use it.
That's not true. There are several IR to Bluetooth adapters available for universal remotes that do communicate with the PS3 the same way the sixaxis controllers do with no additional components to plug in. Logitech, Schmartz, Audio Authority and many others all use Sony's Bluetooth radio specs. The problem as I understand it is that there are two things needed to utilize BT. 1) The BT radio. 2) The profile for that radio. The problem is that phones like the droid do not have support for all profiles. That is why the iPhone didn't even support stereo through NT until just recently.
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This is an awsome idea and I think the most important question is are we willing to pay for it. I would. And I think a lot of others would as well.

Is there anyone out their capable of making this happen???
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This is an awsome idea and I think the most important question is are we willing to pay for it. I would. And I think a lot of others would as well.

Is there anyone out their capable of making this happen???
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As of right now it is not possible. From what I understand Sony has done something with the bluetooth on the playstation to make it proprietary. That is why if you buy a non-sony wireless controller for the playstation you still have to plug an adapter into the playstation itself to use it.
Nokia n900 as PS3 controller (Maemo Central via Gizmodo)

Using PS3 controller on Nokia n900. (Aberration via Gizmodo)

The n900 is a beast. Too bad Maemo is far from being polished, but oh if I were a Linux developer...
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to control the TV we would need some kinda of hardware to receive the commands from the phone (bluetooth) and convert it to the tv,(this device allows blackberry to be used as remote control to tv) since tvs are not bluetooth capable, playstation its very possible for us to be able to do...
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It's not exactly what you want, but pocket blu is really cool. Only works for pocket-blu enabled discs though... Better than nothing-
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ok, don't make fun of me, but does the droid have any IR capabilities? if so, nyko makes a IR remote with a usb dongle for the ps3. i am able to use my beastie harmony remote with the dongle. i'm sure the droid doesn't have IR, but i just don't know.
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No IR on the Droid.
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I would like to use my Droid has a keypad for my PS3. I don't have a Bluetooth keyboard and I don't want to buy the keypad for the PS3 controller. But I hate typing messages with the controller.

There is an easy solution (buy a keypad or BT keyboard) but the BEST solution is to use my Droid :-) Just isn't possible (yet?).
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I don't have a PS3 so I didn't/can't test this, but I saw an app called Pocket Blu awhile back that I think acted as a PS3 blu ray remote.

App Shopper: pocket BLU (Entertainment)

Search the market for "Pocket Blu".
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I don't have a PS3 so I didn't/can't test this, but I saw an app called Pocket Blu awhile back that I think acted as a PS3 blu ray remote.

App Shopper: pocket BLU (Entertainment)

Search the market for "Pocket Blu".

Yes it works with Blurays which support it. Used it on my Behold II this week with the "Inglorious Basterds" title. Worked perfectly with my PS3. Since the PS3 uses BT for remote, it seems like someone could develop an APP that would control all PS3 functions via BT, just like their own BT remote. Can't wait for it to happen. This Pocket Blu is a good start.
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That would be terrible. I dont even own a PS3 and I can tell you that you would rather buy a regular remote. You would play awful.
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That would be terrible. I dont even own a PS3 and I can tell you that you would rather buy a regular remote. You would play awful.
I think he was referring to watching movies.
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That would be terrible. I dont even own a PS3 and I can tell you that you would rather buy a regular remote. You would play awful.
Huh? They are talking about an A/V remote for controlling video (DVD/Blu-Ray/Xvid/etc...Not actually playing games with our Droids...
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Nokia n900 as PS3 controller (Maemo Central via Gizmodo)

Using PS3 controller on Nokia n900. (Aberration via Gizmodo)

The n900 is a beast. Too bad Maemo is far from being polished, but oh if I were a Linux developer...
After seeing that, there's no reason why someone couldn't develop an app for iPhone/Android for this purpose.

I had this idea when I first got my Droid back in December, but after extensive searching I haven't even heard of anyone else thinking of this idea. You would think it would be a cash cow if you charged for it, so I don't know why no devs have thought of it or tried it yet.
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After seeing that, there's no reason why someone couldn't develop an app for iPhone/Android for this purpose.

I had this idea when I first got my Droid back in December, but after extensive searching I haven't even heard of anyone else thinking of this idea. You would think it would be a cash cow if you charged for it, so I don't know why no devs have thought of it or tried it yet.
It can be done, but whether someone will do it is another question.
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I'd be willing to develop this. If anyone has more info on how to go about making the bluetooth work with the ps3, please pm me.

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I hope someone has some ideas for you avigil...I would love this feature...I already use my phone as a remote for my Verizon Fios TV (but that is over wifi). To have them both on my phone would be sweet...
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I would love to link my PS3 and my Droid together. My two fav devices working together. I'd love to see more development in this area. I'd really love to be able to message my friends, but I know, Sony isn't gonna let that happen. Maybe they should get on the ball and make and app, then.
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It looks possible, but not easy. I did a little Googling; looks like the PS3 uses the "Human Interface Device" (HID) profile for remote controls, and Android doesn't have real HID support yet. There's an "AVRCP - Audio/Video Remote Control Profile" that Android does support, but the PS3 apparently doesn't use that.

So, to write such an application you'd need to do some native development and write your own HID implementation. I don't have time to muck with that right now. I'm learning Android development but given work and family and life, I just can't squeeze that kind of project in yet.
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Will froyo make this possible?
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Will froyo make this possible?
Still no HID support in Froyo, apparently. Oh, well.
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so i can tell you it is posable as a matter of fact myself and a team are in the process of doing just this so far its a pain in the a$$ but we have made brake through we are able to communicate with the ps3 through the N1 and EVO droidx is still giving us problems so far we are able to use our androids as full keypads and limited remote functions how ever the controller is giving us some issues so with that said here are the points you need to know

yes the ps3 uses Bluetooth however it is not the same as on your phone same hardware different capability with re-programing an android ROOTED phone can link to the ps3 however the code to have full function is a real pain and Sony is not going to just give it to us

i leave you all with this the people who make apps and root are just like you we see something and wonder then say why not

as soon as we get it up we will post on all android boards with the link and will do the same to iphone boards just to piss them off

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I have read this is sujpposed to be a feature of Gingerbread.
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Even if you did it wouldnt be the same as it is for the remote control all the effects and all that would not fit in a droid so i dont think an idea for an app like this would be better than the controller
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Even if you did it wouldnt be the same as it is for the remote control all the effects and all that would not fit in a droid so i dont think an idea for an app like this would be better than the controller
If you're referring to the buttons, etc being able to fit, I don't see how this would be an issue. I can control my whole pc from my phone using a wifi remote, and although it requires switching between stuff like keyboard and mouse it all fits just fine.

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So I searched and searched becau I didn't want to duplicate a thread, but didn't find anything. So here is my question.

Since the Playstation 3 uses bluetooth, the remote that you buy in stores for it is bluetooth, and our Motorola Droids are bluetooth compatible, would it be possible for someone (not me cause I don't know how) to make an app that would enable the Droid to be a bluetooth remote for the Playstation 3??

I know there are apps to turn it into a remote, but I think this requires an separate adapter or receiver. Anyways, if anyone knows if its even possible or not, please let me know. If it is possible, does anyone want to tackle this app?? I know I would be willing to pay for it, as I'm sure others might as well.

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Since this is the first thread that comes up on Google I think you should update your post by linking to this app that lets you use your android phone as a ps3 Bluetooth remote

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good night

friends, I'm from Brazil and now comes only in our country the control system RedEye (ThinkFlood) and promised me when I bought it would be possible to use it with the Android platform.
And to my surprise it can only be configured with platform IMAC, iphone mobile, ipod, iphone and it is not possible to configure the network with the Android!
I would not want to buy imac to just set up the wifi network RedEye
Anyone that has installed this system at home?
know of a plugin to use on Android?

I wait for help

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Bluetooth operates on 'protocols' or instructions. In order for Droid or any other bluetooth device to operate, the protocols have to be coded into the firmware. I have an HTC HD2 that had WM6.5 on it and when I connected it to my blackberry it had alot of different uses for it, when I switch it to Android, I dont have any protocols for it. Try finding a version of Android that supports that function, or see if you can get someone to code it for you in the firmware. Sorry if I couldnt help as much.
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Isn't HID included in Honeycomb 3.1, although wired only? You should be able to plug a PS3 controller into your USB enabled tab and get it to work natively. Would certainly be interested in using my Transformer as a PS3 keboard and/or remote.
The good news is Sony appear to be embracing Android with the introduction of Playstation Suite, maybe they could release an app? Having Droid/PS3 interactivity would be a good blow to stike against both Microsoft (XBox) and Apple (iThing). I guess the whole thing would depend on how secure they can make it. The last think Sony want is for Mr Hacker to break into the PS3.
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I've come up with an idea......still in the works.......that would (hopefully) allow both iPhone and Android users to control any A/V device, including the PS3 over their wifi network. Can't explain the full idea.......or someone else will be super rich......and I have to buy THEIR product. So, the idea is locked away just yet.

It would, of course take the involvement of Sony, and a company such as Logitech (for access to their Harmony archive), and some R+D. But theoretically, it should work. And this method would NOT require an Android user to root their phone, and void any warranty.

I understand there is a difference between the Sony Bluetooth stack, and typical Bluetooth functions. This is why I would need them involved. And Harmony would need to have an Android app, with perhaps different prices for different 'models' of the app ???? Or some sort of 'differentiation' of the model they are 'emulating' More expensive would allow more devices to be controlled.

Has anyone had dealings with these companies, other than just customer support.

Maybe someone knows where/how to approach this.

I am by no means a techy, and would need to round up a team. I am just an avid A/V enthusiast, who relies HEAVILY on his PS3 as a media hub, who came up with an idea that hasn't been proposed yet. At least I haven't found an idea like this yet. With a creative team, I think this idea might be the one we ALL are looking for......iPhone AND Android users.

Sony, Logitech...........call me. Or at least PM me........LOL
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This is an interesting thread/conversation, but I think there is quite a lot of confusion.

When referring to wired connections, I'm guessing people are referring to USB
When referring to wireless connections (or remote connections) there are IR, RF, Bluetooth and WiFi as possibilities.

A universal remote today needs to support IR at some point because many devices are still controlled only using IR. that is why Logitech have produced the IR box for the PS3 and have now produced the IR link for Android and iPhone (the reason I ended up reading this thread)

HID is the name given to any device that is used for communicating with an electronic device. Traditionally, that is a mouse or a keyboard.
Modern controllers, that may not be anything like a keyboard or a mouse, tend to use the same commands as keyboard and mouse, simply because it is available and already supported.

But...

HID over Bluetooth is not the same thing as HID over USB. HID over Bluetooth uses the same commands as HID over USB, with a little bit of extra 'stuff', so it is technically similar.

An even bigger BUT...

These classes, like HID, are based on a client server model, where one side is the client and the other end is a server. In the case of HID, it is a bit like the behaviour of a Web Browser and a Web Server. Where there are relatively simple inputs, that have relatively complex results. Click on a link in a browser and potentially unlimited amounts of code could run on the server.

So... Android (and possibly iOS) devices have HID Servers in them. This allows HID clients to connect to them. For example, I can connect a mouse or keyboard or both to my android devices and magically a mouse pointer appears on the Android display and I can then track the pointer around using my mouse or touchpad.

This is the complete opposite of what I think this topic is about. To be able to use an Android phone or tablet as an HID Client, you would need to have the client class available to you. There are a number of reasons (no access to l2CAP) that this cannot be done today.

A rooted phone could have (and has had - see androhid) a HID client added to it.

The bottom line is some bluetooth Protocols are available to apps on android and these protocols could be used to provide communication between an Android App and another device. But all of the devices we are talking about are listening for a HID device or other proprietary protocol. So until a Bluetooth HID Client Class is made available within android, this isn't going to be possible.

the closest we are going to get is the solution already proposed and being trialed in USA at the moment - a Box with a bluetooth HID Client in it, that can also communicate with an Android device.

The clever thing for Sony to do would be to add a proprietary Bluetooth protocol to the PS3 and then an App with the same protocol for Android. But other than that being cool, I don't see Sony having any reason to do that. The most liekly thing sony would do is to put it into the ROM of their own phones ONLY.
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This is an interesting thread/conversation, but I think there is quite a lot of confusion.

When referring to wired connections, I'm guessing people are referring to USB
When referring to wireless connections (or remote connections) there are IR, RF, Bluetooth and WiFi as possibilities.

A universal remote today needs to support IR at some point because many devices are still controlled only using IR. that is why Logitech have produced the IR box for the PS3 and have now produced the IR link for Android and iPhone (the reason I ended up reading this thread)

HID is the name given to any device that is used for communicating with an electronic device. Traditionally, that is a mouse or a keyboard.
Modern controllers, that may not be anything like a keyboard or a mouse, tend to use the same commands as keyboard and mouse, simply because it is available and already supported.

But...

HID over Bluetooth is not the same thing as HID over USB. HID over Bluetooth uses the same commands as HID over USB, with a little bit of extra 'stuff', so it is technically similar.

An even bigger BUT...

These classes, like HID, are based on a client server model, where one side is the client and the other end is a server. In the case of HID, it is a bit like the behaviour of a Web Browser and a Web Server. Where there are relatively simple inputs, that have relatively complex results. Click on a link in a browser and potentially unlimited amounts of code could run on the server.

So... Android (and possibly iOS) devices have HID Servers in them. This allows HID clients to connect to them. For example, I can connect a mouse or keyboard or both to my android devices and magically a mouse pointer appears on the Android display and I can then track the pointer around using my mouse or touchpad.

This is the complete opposite of what I think this topic is about. To be able to use an Android phone or tablet as an HID Client, you would need to have the client class available to you. There are a number of reasons (no access to l2CAP) that this cannot be done today.

A rooted phone could have (and has had - see androhid) a HID client added to it.

The bottom line is some bluetooth Protocols are available to apps on android and these protocols could be used to provide communication between an Android App and another device. But all of the devices we are talking about are listening for a HID device or other proprietary protocol. So until a Bluetooth HID Client Class is made available within android, this isn't going to be possible.

the closest we are going to get is the solution already proposed and being trialed in USA at the moment - a Box with a bluetooth HID Client in it, that can also communicate with an Android device.

The clever thing for Sony to do would be to add a proprietary Bluetooth protocol to the PS3 and then an App with the same protocol for Android. But other than that being cool, I don't see Sony having any reason to do that. The most liekly thing sony would do is to put it into the ROM of their own phones ONLY.


Are you saying that it is quite possible that with the release of a new update of Droid OS (ie Icecream Sandwich), that this could be implemented with the inclusion of the classes required for a bluetooth HID client on the Android OS ? Or is it more a case of Sony submitting the code to allow this ?

After all, if this has been coded already on the 'open source market', but only available by rooting your mobile then this is obviously a marketing ploy by Sony just waiting for the right deal to make as much cash as possible.

Do Sony not read posts on sites like this ? People want apps to make their lives easier with the gadgets they can afford to own. Making these devices incompatible with other leading tech is not the way to go.

This years Sony is last years Yahoo!!

Sony take note.
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This would be so perfect for the sony xperia play I want it ill pay$$$$
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Found an app called blueputdroid that does this, can control ps3 with a 'virtual sixaxis controller' and use the keyboard to type messages...
But it does need you to be rooted and only seems to work on some roms. it did work fine for me on Cyanogenmod7 though...
https://market.android.com/details?id=berserker.android.apps.blueputdroid
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