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Old January 2nd, 2010, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys i'm posting this cuz I dont want none of you guys to go through the stress that i just went through. So a couple weeks ago i thought this would be a good app to have just in case.. It really never found any thing but when this last update came around this app totaly slowed my droid to the point where i just wanted to throw it at the wall. (also kept crashing the phone)... also when you try to uninstall it somehow it makes it so that everytime you try to open up your app kill application it shuts the phone down. The longer you keep the app the worse it slows down your phone.

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The longer you keep the app the worse it slows down your phone.
I dunno. Sounds like typical anti-virus s/w to me. Must be working perfectly!
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I dunno. Sounds like typical anti-virus s/w to me. Must be working perfectly!
LMAO , hit the nail on the head!
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Hey guys i'm posting this cuz I dont want none of you guys to go through the stress that i just went through. So a couple weeks ago i thought this would be a good app to have just in case.. It really never found any thing but when this last update came around this app totaly slowed my droid to the point where i just wanted to throw it at the wall. (also kept crashing the phone)... also when you try to uninstall it somehow it makes it so that everytime you try to open up your app kill application it shuts the phone down. The longer you keep the app the worse it slows down your phone.

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You are the man! I updated this app yesterday and since then my phone has been super slow. Got rid of antivirus and now its back to normal. Thank you!
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You are the man! I updated this app yesterday and since then my phone has been super slow. Got rid of antivirus and now its back to normal. Thank you!
WOW. you are a life saver, i got the update for this trash program yesterday, and have been trying to figure out why my phone lags so bad. I just uninstalled it, and my phone is 100% again. thanks to you!

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who puts anti-virus on a non-windoze phone anyways?
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I got an App called MyLookout and it works fine and scans my phone for viruses, backs data up to their website and will find my phone if missing.
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I got an App called MyLookout and it works fine and scans my phone for viruses, backs data up to their website and will find my phone if missing.
Has it found any viruses?
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I got an App called MyLookout and it works fine and scans my phone for viruses, backs data up to their website and will find my phone if missing.
I hope you don't have any sensitive data on the phone.
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Guys, this is a Linux-based device? Who uses antivirus on Linux? There's nothing to protect yourself from! There isn't even any reason to use antivirus in Windows!

Here, I have written up a foolproof guide on how to not get viruses in Windows without using any AV software. I haven't gotten any viruses since I was a small, stupid child:
1) Go into folder settings and disable the "hide extensions for known filetypes". This is the stupidest setting ever and it's enabled by default. Otherwise you won't realize that that "movie" you just downloaded whose filename is listed as xxxsexygirls.avi is actually xxxsexygirls.avi.exe. Good going...
2) When you do disable that setting and you can see potentially harmful endings (.exe, .msi, .bat, etc...), DON'T go around downloading every single thing ever made on the internet forever. Just cause you can see them doesn't mean you're safe. Be smart!
And the most important thing in this entire guide: Firefox web browser | Faster, more secure, & customizable
Or Chrome. Or Opera. Or Safari. Or ANYTHING that is not Internet Explorer.

Have fun. Be safe. Uninstall all of your AV software.

Fact: I had a worm on my computer once. So I installed Norton Antivirus. It got rid of the worm, but the computer was slower than it was when it was infected.
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Guys, this is a Linux-based device? Who uses antivirus on Linux? There's nothing to protect yourself from! There isn't even any reason to use antivirus in Windows!

Here, I have written up a foolproof guide on how to not get viruses in Windows without using any AV software. I haven't gotten any viruses since I was a small, stupid child:
1) Go into folder settings and disable the "hide extensions for known filetypes". This is the stupidest setting ever and it's enabled by default. Otherwise you won't realize that that "movie" you just downloaded whose filename is listed as xxxsexygirls.avi is actually xxxsexygirls.avi.exe. Good going...
2) When you do disable that setting and you can see potentially harmful endings (.exe, .msi, .bat, etc...), DON'T go around downloading every single thing ever made on the internet forever. Just cause you can see them doesn't mean you're safe. Be smart!
And the most important thing in this entire guide: Firefox web browser | Faster, more secure, & customizable
Or Chrome. Or Opera. Or Safari. Or ANYTHING that is not Internet Explorer.

Have fun. Be safe. Uninstall all of your AV software.

Fact: I had a worm on my computer once. So I installed Norton Antivirus. It got rid of the worm, but the computer was slower than it was when it was infected.
WOW. For the love of God or whomever you worship, do NOT take this guy's advice. As an Information Systems Security major, having ShadowDude777's mindset is the reason why so many people's systems are zombied and part of botnets. Sure, Shadow, let's put security in the backseat and rely strictly on viewing file extensions manually. OH, and on top of that, using strictly Firefox will certainly save everyone. *sarcasm*

Do you know how many Trojans are automatically loaded with web pages? Wait... I shouldn't have asked that, because you probably don't (since you don't have an A/V to warn you about it anyway). Also, how effective would manually screening downloaded files be against worms? FYI, worms spread by themselves, with little-to-no user interaction.

Also, it would be absolutely incorrect to state the Linux/UNIX-based systems are virus/worm-free. Though "regular" Droid users will be hard to infect, users with rooted Android's are far more susceptible (similar to the iPhone users who ran Jailbroken operating systems and ended up getting Rick Rolled).

If you're trying to save money and are looking for a good A/V, then check out Microsoft's Security Essentials. It's free, but still in beta. That does not mean it's bad, as it ranked in the top 3 in several categories according to AV-Comparitives.org (Norton took the top position overall). If you've got cash to spend, check out NOD32 or Kaspersky.

My apologies to the original author - I did not mean to hijack this thread, but I don't want to let Shadow's rather ignorant post to go unchallenged.
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Yes, many trojans ARE loaded with webpages; I have yet to see one that will work when you're using anything besides Internet Explorer. I've fixed almost a dozen people's computers this year alone just because they've visited a shady site in IE (usually IE6 because nobody bothers updating Windows XP). The computer is usually FUBAR to the point that it's easier to just do a full reformat. If they know the site they were on when the computer crashed or they can find it again with Google, I then ask them to load it up in Firefox. Nothing happens. Not that Firefox is impenetrable, but there is virtually no threat because the people that make viruses like to target the masses (who use IE), and it's much easier with IE's gaping ActiveX vulnerabilities.

Don't go touting your major and thinking that this will put you in the right; I prefer listening to my own reasoning and real-life experiences. How is it that I have machines that have been running Windows XP since it was released with all sorts of software on them that are completely clean? If you don't believe me, just tell me any free AV program you'd like me to install. I will scan my machine on the most thorough setting the software offers, and it won't return any viruses. I will then promptly uninstall whatever piece of garbage you recommended to me because I don't like having my CPU clock cycles dominated by something completely unnecessary. If I want to use my CPU to its fullest, I'll run Folding/SETI@Home so I'm actually using it for something beneficial, instead of wasting clock cycles.

As for manually screening files, GOOGLE IT! If it has any entries on a somewhat reputable site, it's probably trustworthy (Yes, CNET has posted viruses as software before. It happens. If CNET hasn't caught it yet, your AV program probably won't either). How about installing the WOT plugin for Firefox? It tells you how trustworthy a site is. It hasn't become very widespread yet, so you may not get anything back for obscure sites, but it's a start.

Sorry, but I just think that 99.9% of users will not need antivirus if they are careful and avoid the two types of attacks that make up the overwhelming majority of malware: attacks targeted towards IE users, and "movies/music/documents/other multimedia" that are actually executables hidden behind their fake file extension.
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A Trojan can load through a web page if the developer finds some unknown security hole in the browser, or plugins that the browser loads (such as Flash or Java). So, for example, if a security hole is found in Java, then your risk is just as high in FireFox as it is in Internet Explorer.

In Internet Explorer, ActiveX controls are not going to install on their own unless you allow them. Unfortunately this is how most malware gets installed. But it's a result of user ignorance, not the fault of the browser itself. A developer could just as well write a malware extension for FireFox.

But getting back to Android, your chances of getting a virus through its web browser are extremely low, especially since it doesn't run plugins like Java or Flash. The bigger risk would be through applications. But you should be fine if you don't root your device, only install applications through the market, and and read reviews of the applications before you install them.
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Well, of course, I did state above that Firefox is definitely not impenetrable. No software is. But I'd say that the security hole is going to be patched in Java (EDIT: or whatever component has the vulnerability) around the same time as your AV definitions are going to be updated to include that exploit. Possibly even sooner, because the developers of programs generally don't like to release information on potential exploits until they've patched them; otherwise the users will still be vulnerable AND the information on how to destroy their computers will be free pickings for anyone that has an internet connection.

Sure, most AV software does have heuristic scanning, but you can't really leverage an entire argument around that. Heuristic scanning isn't very reliable.

I think this is the major reason why Linux and similar open-source softwares are so much more secure. There's always an update. Half of the time, when I turn on my Ubuntu box, there's an update waiting to be installed. Compare that to Microsoft, who releases service packs just about as often as Canonical releases an entire update to the Ubuntu OS. Same thing with Firefox; when there's a bug or security hole, they release a new version and the next time you use the browser, it tells you that you should update.

In fact, Firefox updates happen so often that: http://ejohn.org/files/lolfirefox.jpg

I don't want to come across as a Firefox fanboy; Chrome is developing very well and I think that in a few more updates, it might be robust enough that I'll want to leave Firefox! I AM trying to come across as a computer user who hates Internet Explorer, though.

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Yes, many trojans ARE loaded with webpages; I have yet to see one that will work when you're using anything besides Internet Explorer. I've fixed almost a dozen people's computers this year alone just because they've visited a shady site in IE (usually IE6 because nobody bothers updating Windows XP). The computer is usually FUBAR to the point that it's easier to just do a full reformat. If they know the site they were on when the computer crashed or they can find it again with Google, I then ask them to load it up in Firefox. Nothing happens. Not that Firefox is impenetrable, but there is virtually no threat because the people that make viruses like to target the masses (who use IE), and it's much easier with IE's gaping ActiveX vulnerabilities.
That's also incorrect. Using different A/V's, my users and myself have picked up attempted Trojan installs/loads with Firefox and Chrome browsers. Yes, a vast majority of attacks and malware are aimed at IE users, but as Chugworth states, malware can also come through "plugins that the browser loads (such as Flash or Java)". In the case of such plugins, it's not going to matter if the user is using IE, Firefox, Chrome, or Safari.

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So, besides your own "real-life experiences," what other type of experience can you cite? Do you work in the IT field? If so, how long? Are you Help Desk, an admin, or security? I highly doubt you fall into the latter two, since your advice is potentially devastating.

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How is it that I have machines that have been running Windows XP since it was released with all sorts of software on them that are completely clean? If you don't believe me, just tell me any free AV program you'd like me to install. I will scan my machine on the most thorough setting the software offers, and it won't return any viruses. I will then promptly uninstall whatever piece of garbage you recommended to me because I don't like having my CPU clock cycles dominated by something completely unnecessary. If I want to use my CPU to its fullest, I'll run Folding/SETI@Home so I'm actually using it for something beneficial, instead of wasting clock cycles.
I have no idea why your system is completely clean (if it even is). I'm not going to bother with recommendations, since your mind is already biased. You can figure things out yourself when someone's using your credit cards to buy new items for themselves. By the way, why are you so intent on saving "clock cycles?" The performance impact of many good A/V programs is negligible in today's computers. Even the more memory-intensive A/V's like McAfee that use over 100 megabytes of memory are negligible - what's 100 megabytes out of 6000?

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As for manually screening files, GOOGLE IT! If it has any entries on a somewhat reputable site, it's probably trustworthy (Yes, CNET has posted viruses as software before. It happens. If CNET hasn't caught it yet, your AV program probably won't either). How about installing the WOT plugin for Firefox? It tells you how trustworthy a site is. It hasn't become very widespread yet, so you may not get anything back for obscure sites, but it's a start.
I never dismissed manually screening files, but I did attack the thought of solely using this method. It's stupid and time-consuming, and for the most part, will remain highly ineffective. Do you REALLY think the average user has enough technical savvy to know the difference between all of the system files listed in C:\Windows? Do you think they'd notice the difference if one of the files were changed? An A/V would - nearly instantly, too.

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Sorry, but I just think that 99.9% of users will not need antivirus if they are careful and avoid the two types of attacks that make up the overwhelming majority of malware: attacks targeted towards IE users, and "movies/music/documents/other multimedia" that are actually executables hidden behind their fake file extension.
Then there's not point in arguing with you further, since you've already made up your mind and proven your ignorance. Once again, you're incorrect - a vast majority of attacks aren't targeted at IE users, but at Windows systems in general. Attacks look for systems that are unpatched and unprotected (i.e., systems like yours). Also, changing the filenames was popular back in the day, but now, many exploit target existing vulnerabilities (i.e., IIS, etc.). If you really think your system is safe with your methods, you're in for a big surprise.
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By the way, why are you so intent on saving "clock cycles?" The performance impact of many good A/V programs is negligible in today's computers. Even the more memory-intensive A/V's like McAfee that use over 100 megabytes of memory are negligible - what's 100 megabytes out of 6000?
Ok, I was going to sit this one out but both sides are fairly set in their ways and both have valid points as well as inaccuracies.

To proclaim that A/V programs are negligible on system resources is very inaccurate. ESPECIALLY when you are talking the system protection SUITES. Both Norton and Mcafee are notorious for being resource PIGS with these suites. And you need to take into account cpu, memory and how hard they hit disk not just memory. I've seen brand new PCs run like rockets after having this inexcusible garbage removed. And don't get me started on Mcafee AV which does a great job of alerting you AFTER you are infected and then is totally unable to remove the infection. I mean really, these things are supposed to nail this stuff BEFORE it is written to the hard disk!

I do disagree with the other side that AV is not needed. While techies like us may be smart enough not to use IE and go to porn sites, the general population doesn't get that. To tell the general public that AV is not needed to like giving a gun to someone who is suicidal. DON'T DO THAT!

Anyone who has been in the IT business knows that some of the best AV software out there is the stuff that is free for personal use. Avast and AVG are the two that come to mind. Its funny how people have come to me with totally infected machines, and Mcafee or Norton isn't showing anything wrong. Install AVG or Avast and son of gun, it not only shows the infected files, it can actually get rid of them. Not only do I save them the yearly subscription to the garbage AV they had, they also now get better protection, and you don't even know the AV is there running.

As far as Android, I'm not seeing where there is a need for AV at this time. Until there are news articles not sponsored by some AV firm looking for a quick buck that are detailing Android OS infections, I'm not buying into the need.
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