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Old January 25th, 2010, 01:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Well, my wife was just about to whip out the checkbook and grab a Droid for my birthday, but we both stopped dead in our tracks a few days back when we saw a new Motorola creation peek over the horizon...

I know that new phones are always going to be popping up and I gotta jump in sometime, but this is just around the corner, and most sites are saying that it's coming to TMobile.

With you guys experience in specs and phone performance, can I ask your recommendation?

If the Droid and Motoroi were both in front of you today, knowing what you know now, which would you pick?

Here's a link to Motoroi spec sheet. Any input you have regarding Verizon/Tmobile would mean the world to us as well.

I currently have an original Motorola Razr with ATT, so either phone is going to be a big techno-shock for me.

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i would go with the Droid because of the physical keyboard, but i know that's not a dealbreaker for a lot of people.
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I'd probably choose the Motoroi, but I'd have to know some things about it first:

Will it run on Verizon?

Will it run vanilla Android or MotoBLUR? (I prefer vanilla)

What processor does it have?

Physical keyboard? (I'd prefer it not have one)

How thin is it?
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Yeah, I have my eye on the keyboard, but then they drift over to the 8mp camera with HD recording and my eyes get all googly.

As far as the other specs, I'm uncertain. Maybe there will be tons more data once the Korean line launches.
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720p out via HDMI?

amazing, but I'd still cary a dumbphone on VZW before anything on TMO or ATT.

Now, if there were a CDMA version of that phone? Done.
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These gadgets are phones so service provider is everything. T Mobile would be a deal breaker for sure. If Verizon does not have it I do not want it.
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These gadgets are phones so service provider is everything. T Mobile would be a deal breaker for sure. If Verizon does not have it I do not want it.
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While the Motoroi looks great, two main deal breakers for me. Lack of a physical keyboard, ive used so many touch screen keyboards compared to a physical i absolutely hate them. Second is T-Mobile, horrible service, with the only benefit of gsm phones
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How long until we hear the term "Droidkiller"?
Not a bad thing... just a sign that the Droid is a gamechanger, made an impact on the phoneworld, and is the new standard in it's particular field.

Will that happen?

I still like the Inbrics you asked about before: The Inbrics M1 is a thin Android handset with QWERTY keyboard (Phone Arena News)

But that still seems to be up in the air. Motoroi is just around the corner. I really like my Droid, but I guess if I had a choice, I would try the Motoroi just for the HD recording alone. It's something I would use a lot at work. The Droid's video cam works fine, but again, IF I had a choice...
I've no experience with TMobile, so I can't comment on the service comparisons.

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These do look nice, but I'm definitely staying with the Droid. It's pretty future-proofed, it's priced fairly, and I see no reason to wait it out for these new things. Android phones to me are like netbooks: they're all great, but once you get down to the nitty-gritty, they're mostly the same, with a few different processors being the only appreciable difference.

Now if an ~4.3" (or larger! I wouldn't mind) Android device hits the market, I may reconsider!
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I would honestly probably rather have the Motoroi. I really do not like the physical keyboard on the Droid and could honestly do without. Now if the Droid actually had a good keyboard on it like the Voyager that would be another story.

I am not diggin the big bump on the side, but not a deal breaker. If it was on verizon...then yea.
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Didn't anyone hear about the Supersonic? 1.3(or 1)ghz Snapdragon, 4.3 screen, 2.1 with Sense, and WiMax. So it goes without saying that it is for Sprint, which is fine with me since they have the same coverage here as Verizon.
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Didn't anyone hear about the Supersonic? 1.3(or 1)ghz Snapdragon, 4.3 screen, 2.1 with Sense, and WiMax. So it goes without saying that it is for Sprint, which is fine with me since they have the same coverage here as Verizon.
Yeah, and that is where smart phones need to get to really get my attention. That 4.3" screen is where I want my ideal phone to be. External keyboard or not, I really don't care. Get the voice dial, e-mail and synch issues fixed up, let it aoutrotate from both sides, give it a GOOD camera, and a high sensitivity GPS receiver that works with Google Earth, and with that processor, I would be just about set. That one I'd keep for two years. I have also come to conclude that all of that in one package is several years off. Get us where we want one tiny step at a time, leave us forever wanting just a bit more. That sells phones.

I'd prefer a Motorola build, as I think they make the most solid phones. But the Motoroi will not likely replace the Droid, with a bigger screen, maybe, but not yet. Verizon works best where I am.
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The Motoroi looks like the hottest new gadget out there. I will have to find a way to scrap my Droid when Verizon gets this. HDMI output will be awesome!

I dont like the Droid physical keyboard anyway.

Check out the Korea pages at Motorola.com. Motoroi/xt720 is the headliner.

MOTOROI - Korea 1st Smartphone powered by Android - Motorola Korea

Cool vids....its in Korean....but you get the point! All from Motorola website.

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If Motoroi has GSM connectivity, does that mean I can take the att sim card out of my nokia n95 and use it in the motoroi?
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That is definitely a damn nice looking phone, but lack of physical keyboard is a deal breaker for me. I'll be holding out for the Droid v2 when they make it. (v2 is just my own personal code-name. Fill in your own as desired.)
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Yes, if the phone is unlocked.
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Well, my wife was just about to whip out the checkbook ...
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My wife has EVERYTHING in her checkbook case... phone, girlie stuff, emergency checks for when register terminals are down, debit cards, etc...

There's a few new Motoroi videos at Youtube (3 total)... here's the first:

YouTube - [eNuri.com] Motoroi 1/3
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yea theres alot of motoroi vids on utube!!!
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Hate the Droid hardware keyboard. Would get the Motoroi in a second if it was offered on Verizon. But, since I don't ever like sitting around waiting, speculating, and guessing when a new phone is coming out, I'm perfectly happy using the Droid. Indeed, it's been the best phone I've yet used...despite that pathetic keyboard (prefer the onscreen a ton more...I know, my preference, maybe not yours).

But there's a bigger picture benefit here: Android OS is really coming along. Hardware manufacturers are RAPIDLY embracing it. I love what I'm seeing. An open platform. App makers that usually respond very quickly to issues. A much sleeker interface than the Blackberry. No fear of Apple's totalitarian control on the entire experience (I'm a big enough boy to make informed decisions on app downloads and usage on my own...and to uninstall them if they aren't any good). And the best part is that as new handsets (and tablets) on the horizon are released, switching to them is a BREEZE. I won't be stuck with some archaic relic of an OS like Blackberry anymore. Android OS development just seems so much more fluid.

So that's the beauty, a fluid OS and handset model that will allow for myriad consumer configurations to suit our preferences. We're in the early 1 year stages on this thing and the finish is already dramatically improved. It's the Nexus One or Motoroi that we may be dreaming about today, but I can't wait to see what lies down the road in a year also. I guess I should just budget a new phone a year, eh? ;-)
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One more thing: love the speed of Korea's mobile web.
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God, that is one boring video. I lost interest within the first 30 seconds... I already know you can swipe to different home screens with an android based phone... how long do they have to linger on that point? Is there something cool in that video I can just skip to that I wouldn't already know about?
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There's 3 videos... all showing OBVIOUS android features posted by that guy. BORING, agreed!!
I would have liked to see what makes that phone SPECIAL -- like the HD video capture (as one of the comments pointed out).
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The phone might be great but like others have said, Tmobile and AT&T....no way! Had an Iphone on both of them and thats why I went to the Droid...Not because of the Iphone but the service. Go with Verizon....or Pageplus
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I just bought the motoroi 2 nights ago. My initial impressions place the phone as the best mobile phone I have owned in the 5 years I have lived in Korea. I know that people generally have the impression that phones in Korea are technologically superior to phones in the west but this is only a half truth. While free mobile television is considered very basic here, up until the motoroi, koreans have been far more limited in features that others would consider essential. This is only the second phone (the first was the samsung blackjack w/ windows mobile OS) that I can actually click and drag an mp3 file and play, which I consider absolutely amazing. Phone companies here have been very adamant about controlling (profitting) from the content (ring tones, music, video) delivered to their phones and every phone company requires media content be sent to phones via their proprietary content delivery system, evenc converting files was not an option. My other phone (Omnia AMOLED) was a breakthough in Korea, as it was the first phone that was DIVX capable, before that if you wanted to watch a movie on your phone, you had to maneuver through a very user unfriendly (all korean) UI on your PC to transfer video files to one's phone. With the release of the Motoroi, all that has come to a much awaited end. I can watch movies, use the phone as a DIVX player via the HDMI out on my 150"
projector or my flat screen televisions. I was concerned that the processor might not be able to handle everything I throw at it, but so far so good... their has been no lag in the UI and it plays media very smoothly. The 8mp camera takes fantastic pictures but Korean are used to having very capable cameras in their phones, although the xenon flash is a distinctive feature and although I have not been able to use it enough to adequately measure how much of an advantage it is over the standard LED flash, the pictures I have taken using the flash have come out looking very well lit. Although I am not throwing out the camera just yet while on vacation, after a few more pictures on the motoroi, it is very possible that I will be confident in carrying the phone as a camera. Downloading applications over my wifi are very quick ~350kb/s and websurfing is a pleasure (pinch zooming, smooth scrolling, horizontal viewing), while my experience with other phones has been at best tolerable. Two minor gripes... 1) larger Youtube clips tend to start off well but mid-clip buffering time is excessive (~15--25 seconds) 2) battery life is relatively short when all the bells and whistles (gps, wifi, bluetooth) are engaged, but this does not come as a surprise and is par for the course. Video and pictures of the phone do not do it justice, it is much slimmer and a bit lighter than I expected. I give the Motoroi an enthusiastic endorsement and thank motorola for finally letting me watch movies and listen to music without having to lug around another PMP device! I am absolutely ditching the PMP and there is a very good chance that I will lose my camera also. 3 devices in one!
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I just bought the motoroi 2 nights ago. My initial impressions place the phone as the best mobile phone I have owned in the 5 years I have lived in Korea. I know that people generally have the impression that phones in Korea are technologically superior to phones in the west but this is only a half truth. While free mobile television is considered very basic here, up until the motoroi, koreans have been far more limited in features that others would consider essential. This is only the second phone (the first was the samsung blackjack w/ windows mobile OS) that I can actually click and drag an mp3 file and play, which I consider absolutely amazing. Phone companies here have been very adamant about controlling (profitting) from the content (ring tones, music, video) delivered to their phones and every phone company requires media content be sent to phones via their proprietary content delivery system, evenc converting files was not an option. My other phone (Omnia AMOLED) was a breakthough in Korea, as it was the first phone that was DIVX capable, before that if you wanted to watch a movie on your phone, you had to maneuver through a very user unfriendly (all korean) UI on your PC to transfer video files to one's phone. With the release of the Motoroi, all that has come to a much awaited end. I can watch movies, use the phone as a DIVX player via the HDMI out on my 150"
projector or my flat screen televisions. I was concerned that the processor might not be able to handle everything I throw at it, but so far so good... their has been no lag in the UI and it plays media very smoothly. The 8mp camera takes fantastic pictures but Korean are used to having very capable cameras in their phones, although the xenon flash is a distinctive feature and although I have not been able to use it enough to adequately measure how much of an advantage it is over the standard LED flash, the pictures I have taken using the flash have come out looking very well lit. Although I am not throwing out the camera just yet while on vacation, after a few more pictures on the motoroi, it is very possible that I will be confident in carrying the phone as a camera. Downloading applications over my wifi are very quick ~350kb/s and websurfing is a pleasure (pinch zooming, smooth scrolling, horizontal viewing), while my experience with other phones has been at best tolerable. Two minor gripes... 1) larger Youtube clips tend to start off well but mid-clip buffering time is excessive (~15--25 seconds) 2) battery life is relatively short when all the bells and whistles (gps, wifi, bluetooth) are engaged, but this does not come as a surprise and is par for the course. Video and pictures of the phone do not do it justice, it is much slimmer and a bit lighter than I expected. I give the Motoroi an enthusiastic endorsement and thank motorola for finally letting me watch movies and listen to music without having to lug around another PMP device! I am absolutely ditching the PMP and there is a very good chance that I will lose my camera also. 3 devices in one!

Wow. I really really like is the TV out via HDMI. I wish the Droid had that capability. However, I'd probably still keep my Droid. The only one that I have my eye on that may replace my Droid is the Supersonic. The supersonic looks like it'll be a great phone plus Sprint has the same coverage as VZW in my area plus they are waaaaay cheaper compared to VZW.
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HAMMERIN HANK -- Sounds like you got yourself a winner! Does it have the voice recognition search and navigation like the Droid or Nexus?

Have you had a chance to try the HD Video Recorder yet? If so, what do you think? Could you post a couple of vids or pics? I'm down to my last few days with making a decision on the Droid. I really, really like it, but I'm using an extender just to get a partial signal in my home.

I hope you don't mind the questions...

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@droidmaniac - I dont think the korean version (but could be wrond) has voice recognition for navigation, but strongly think that this is not to say that the US version will not have it. I have noticed that this will not be an exact duplicate of what you guys in the states will get (the removal of terrestrial DMB, the addition of 8gb internal memory), The korean phones only come with a 8gb SD card and no internal storage. I have been messing around with the video camera the past day and would consider video quite good, but falling short of a dedicated video camera in low light conditions and optical zoom (which also applies to the still camera).

Would be happy to send some still and video samples, the phone gives plenty of options to where to send a pic/vid that has just been taken, should i send it to youtube or dorectly to your email?

Just one word of note, although i think the motoroi is fantastic, I live in korea, I have never had the opportunity to try the nexus one, or the droid or any of these other great smartphones. Korea is home to the superfeature phone and are just finally cathcing the smartphone wave. Korean phone companies have for too long tried to keep the gates of content locked in order to keep profits higher, but thankfully those gates are crumbling.
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If the Motoroi was out and carried by VZW when I bought the Droid, I would have gotten it no thoughts.
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Would be happy to send some still and video samples, the phone gives plenty of options to where to send a pic/vid that has just been taken, should i send it to youtube or dorectly to your email?

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I'd be super happy to see a HD video recorded by the Motoroi posted on YouTube.... If possible, could you upload it and come back and post the youtube link here in this thread?
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I just bought the motoroi 2 nights ago. My initial impressions place the phone as the best mobile phone I have owned in the 5 years I have lived in Korea.
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Which processor is in the Motoroi?
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Pretty sure it's the same OMAP3 as the Droid.
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Where did Hank go? No video clips? Either the Motoroi camera sucks butt, or Hank's just real busy. The phone's been out in Korea for a while now, and only 2-3 video have been posted showing it's recording quality... really crappy videos of a guy stirring pasta (close-up) and a girl going down an escalator. Both looked mediocre. Gotta be soemthing better out there to record, right? Sorry, I appreciate Hank's review... just frustrated.
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I was counting on seeing some video samples as well. Maybe HammerinHank will still come through.
LOL, I saw the videos you mentioned, and yeah -- WTF?
I expect too much sometimes, I guess.
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Without knowing any better, I'd probably go with the Motoroi. But after having the Droid, I'm quite pleased with having a physical keyboard. I use the Swype virtual keyboard plenty, but its great to have that other option, especially when inputting screen names and passwords.
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sorry guys was in the hospital, got in a car accident, but i am ok but i had to get a new motoroi (screen cracked). Will take a vid today, wont be anything exciting, have to go and file my insurance claim. Will do it in about 2 hours, have never posted on youtube, but one way or another, i will have something for you guys!
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YouTube - traffic in front of my apartment. Wil post more

its a terrible first pic, and although it lets me shoot in 720, youtube only lets me upload to 480. Probably something i am doing wrong. When I get to the insurance claims building i will shoot a much more detailed vid and use the image stabiliization mode which i failed to do in this video
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Glad to here you're ok. Please -- take care of yourself and whatever you need to do. Cellphones and videos can wait. And with all this, you still posted something. Hat's off to ya. Much appreciation, looking forward to your next post -- whenever you are ready.
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yikes, i also didnt pull the protective film off the camera lens on that first youtube video ><. i took some pictures on the first phone i had in a bar, and the flash was amazing... great pictures. i will start a flickr account so that i can show some low light pics soon too.
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Nowhere near enough features over the droid to consider leaving the droid or its considerable sized community. Once I buy a niche phone like that Ill be glad to get a rom let alone the choices we have as the huge droid userbase.

It also seems to me like id trade a keyboard and verizon fod a nicer camera and tmo. So I guess I'm slightly biased since I never use my phone for video.

On the brightside I'm sure its so similar to the droid that porting work to it would be pretty trivial.
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Yeah, I have my eye on the keyboard, but then they drift over to the 8mp camera with HD recording and my eyes get all googly.

As far as the other specs, I'm uncertain. Maybe there will be tons more data once the Korean line launches.
I guarantee you the pictures that come out of that 8mp camera will look like horse shit. The sensor is way to small to have that many megapixels and I doubt the build quality of the new sensor changed much from the Droid. More megapixels crammed in a small sensor means more heat which means more noise which means more shitty pictures.

HD recording, 20mp camera, projector, blah, blah. It's all marketing gimmicks with little usefulness. Unless you don't mind crappy looking crap that's crap. But I have one device I can use in a pinch! ...To capture an awesome moment in a sneeze of crap, stored on a handkerchief soaked in snot-crap.
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That is definitely a damn nice looking phone, but lack of physical keyboard is a deal breaker for me. I'll be holding out for the Droid v2 when they make it. (v2 is just my own personal code-name. Fill in your own as desired.)
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Phone companies here have been very adamant about controlling (profitting) from the content (ring tones, music, video) delivered to their phones and every phone company requires media content be sent to phones via their proprietary content delivery system, evenc converting files was not an option.
Sounds like Verizon's wet dream.
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Is it me, or does the 384 kbps for 3G sound extremely slow? I was pulling 3mbps down via wifi tether on my droid yesterday.
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Is it me, or does the 384 kbps for 3G sound extremely slow? I was pulling 3mbps down via wifi tether on my droid yesterday.
That's a third of what I get but about avg. for what my friend iPhone gets on at&t.
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The camera takes great pictures. I had too seriously downsize the size of the picture file in order for it to fit on the board, but like I said before, Korea has some of the best cameras on their phones and I switch phones about every 4 months so I have had quite a few in my 5 years here. It takes great pictures and although I said i would take some better video today, I was just beat from dealing with the claims adjuster so I will try for tomorrow. The flash is amazing, its the first phone that I have had that has had a xenon flash, and it just amazes me how camera like the flash is, instead of the LED just turning on like a flashlight there is an actual *FLASH*! Another problem I have had with the phone is that I guess my cheek isnt big enough to keep the sensor from noticing my face is up against the phone, and so when I am talking the buttons on the phone are enabled causing the sspeakerphone to turn on or the call to end or numerical buttons being pushed and the annoying beep that comes with it during a phone call. There have been two instances where I have literally had to call the same person 8 times to complete one conversation. >< But so far, loving the phone, and please remember that although I might sound like a motoroi fanboi, this is the only android phone we have in korea so I really have nothing to compare it to... it really is a paradigm shift for me! All those people that think korea has the best phones, I am so happy that we finally have a smartphone here! (other than my old winmo blackjack which was terrible)
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the slow speeds i am getting on my phone is a total mystery... i get 100mbps internet and I have a wifi 802.11n router, but i think my phone only has 802.11b capability. But honestly i am not downloading movies directly to my phone so its plenty fast for me.
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PS - just wanted to clear some confusion, the motoroi has pinch to zoom and spread out as well as double-tap zoom. It is my understanding that the droid only has the double tap to zoom.
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