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Old January 31st, 2010, 11:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Would a Nintendo DS emulator be possible on the Droid?

Seems like it could be, maybe if the Droid was overclocked. Droid has a touch screen and mic just like the DS. Anyone know if this is possible or if it is being worked on?

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Old January 31st, 2010, 12:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Simple answer, no. DS has 2 screens, Droid has one. Even if you got a game to run it would be insanely hard to play missing half of the content. Perhaps you could split the screen but that would require some serious hacking of not only the emulator but the games also.
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All the emulators automatically split the screens on the computer...Are you telling me people attach a second screen when playing the emulator on a pc? I think it CAN be done.
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I see, since the droid is widescreen and the ds is not I was thinking the droid could support 2 screens split down the middle. Does sound like quite the project though.
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I'm not saying it couldn't support it, just saying you have so little screen real estate compared to a PC it would be tricky to do it, and even when done it would be hard to play. Two 1.8/9" screens is pretty small.
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True, I would say make the main screen larger since the second screen is mostly used for maps, options, and gimmicks.
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i wouldn't want it to! just buy a ds haha
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i wouldn't want it to! just buy a ds haha
Serious. People still play DS's?
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Serious. People still play DS's?
Heh, I played DS for all of one week. When it first came out and I was hooked on Mario 64. Once I beat it, I just gave the DS to my little brother. I think he still plays pokemon and stuff on it (he's 10).

Now if only we could get an Xbox 360 emulator, then I could play Mass Effect 2 on the go. I've been addicted since installing it on my PC a few days ago.
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i dig my dsi, its pretty fun, good games really.
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The DS has a couple gems but most of the games are pretty bad.

Besides, IMO the phone is an ideal retro-gaming device (NES / GBC / GBA / SEGA). Everything from SNES to PS1 works better on a netbook or a dedicated gaming platform (PSP over DS hands down) and everything else belongs on consoles / PCs.
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Serious. People still play DS's?
With an R4 that thing is basically a little computer too. Granted I haven't touched mine in like 4 months, but it's still a cool little piece of hardware.
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With an R4 that thing is basically a little computer too. Granted I haven't touched mine in like 4 months, but it's still a cool little piece of hardware.
I thought the same thing til I bought my PSP. My DS is a paperweight now
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This thread's gone off topic pretty quick.

I remember seeing somewhere that you need something like 10 times more power to emulate a system properly. I'm not sure of the specs of the DS relative to the Droid but it's something to take into account.

Personlly, I can't get used to the button layout to use the regular NES emulator with much accuracy so adding more buttons for the DS doesn't seem like it would work too well.
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i have heard that to! you need a lot more power to emulate! hence why no one has tried and why no one has got a really good version of the n64 (ten year old console) working on the wii, except nintendo.

ps: i hope dsi gets hacked soon, they seem close and then it will be great for retro gaming!
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Simple rejection to your answer...

This is done quite easily on the PC. I run a DS emulator and it works without flaw. The screens are virtually split. I think your thinking way to literal in the hardware sense. You wouldn't need to screen to emulate DS...but the real question is: Does the Droid have the power to run the OS and a bulky emulator like DeSMUME? I think the answer to that is no.
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This thread's gone off topic pretty quick.

I remember seeing somewhere that you need something like 10 times more power to emulate a system properly. I'm not sure of the specs of the DS relative to the Droid but it's something to take into account.
It just so happens that the Motorola Droid is about 10x faster than the Original Nintendo DS. I'm not sure how much power the OS takes when its not in use, but I think it may be possible. As for the screens, all of the current android phones have high enough resolution that the games could be displayed natively. Kinda like the failed gameboy micro's screen.
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Actually, i think a DS emulator for an Android Powered device wouldnt require as much processing power as one on a PC would. Almost all android devices, including the Droid, are powered by an ARM core, like the DS.

The Droid Specifically uses an ARM11 core, exactly like the DS, so one wouldnt really need to worry about different CPU instruction sets. The Samsung Vibrant also has a GPU that is better than the one in the DS, and Has an ARM Cortex A8 core(faster than the ARM 11 but same instruction set).
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If you can play PS1 games, then I say it's possible.
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Well...A DS emulator on the Droid will never happen.
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Solution!

I got a DS Emulator for my pc, then i setup a VNC server on my pc and connected to it with remote vnc pro so that i could play pokemon diamond / pearl. Not viable for any real time games.
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I got a DS Emulator for my pc, then i setup a VNC server on my pc and connected to it with remote vnc pro so that i could play pokemon diamond / pearl. Not viable for any real time games.
Yeah, that doesn't really count, I could say that we have any Windows app on the Droid if I did that. Only native apps!

Plus, like you said, there's the lag of the DS emulator itself, in addition to the lag of the VNC server. So it's incredibly slow, even on Wi-Fi.
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droid processing power is much much higher thn the Ds and even the dsi.. u can check the hardware in wikipedia.. the resolution is so small in ds.. even split 2 screen on droid still got plenty of empty place.. u can try when playing gba game using gameboid.. what is the size when u scale the game in original size.. damn small..
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droid processing power is much much higher thn the Ds and even the dsi.. u can check the hardware in wikipedia.. the resolution is so small in ds.. even split 2 screen on droid still got plenty of empty place.. u can try when playing gba game using gameboid.. what is the size when u scale the game in original size.. damn small..
Computers are many times more powerful than PS3s and 360s. We don't even have an alpha-stage emulator for those systems.

Emulation requires a huge overhead in processing power. People say it's been estimated at 10x, but I don't believe estimates. Different consoles have such different architectures that how could you really estimate how much overhead you need?
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It just so happens that the Motorola Droid is about 10x faster than the Original Nintendo DS.
Clock speed alone isn't what you need to look at. You need to consider overall processing capability and clock speed doesn't tell you enough.
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guys this is bound to get you excited ......
translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.moreread.net/mario/Any/&prev=_m&twu=1

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Well...A DS emulator on the Droid will never happen.
Fact: You can not see the future.

Also what is failed to be mentioned here yet is that Android 3.0 is about to be all over tablets along with iOS and Windows 7. Dual-Core 1GHZ NVIDIA Tegra 2 (NVIDIA Tegra 2) chips are on the rise, appearing in the Motorola Bionic & Atrix 4g (i.e. for small screen) and in ASUS Transformer (i.e. for bigger screens)

This is completely possible and will happen given time in my opinion. Someone with the programming knowledge is bound to do it.
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Tiger Lab offers Nintendo DS emulator on Android platform

Interesting eh? the people on here say it will never happen and what not. but here it is, while it is laggy and what not so were all the other emulators to begin with! I personally do not have much interest in this but you can find t yourself in the market!
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ya the tiger labs that app actually makes u download the real one on the internet u just need a app installer like app installer or ominous app installer but it is beast playing at 1 frame per second read description
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My Core 2 Duo notebook from a few years ago couldn't handle a DS emulator at a playable speed. I haven't tried my MBP's C2D, but I doubt it would be much better.

On second thought, those DS emulators were unstable themselves. Perhaps they would work fine today. But having those problems on a C2D does not bode well for a dinky 600 Mhz CPU, even if it's OC'd.

I think a Tegra 2 tablet may be able to handle it, though.
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Even a Tegra 2 will lag like hell. My Core 2 Duo desktop with an 8800GTS, which runs Crysis at medium, struggles with Dawn of Sorrow in NO$GBA.
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You people are kidding, right? My C2D E8400 with an 8800 GT could play PS2 games without issue, and you're saying you couldn't play a DS game?

Did you have 1 gig of ram? Something isn't right....

As for how it will all play on the phone, I have no comment.
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2GB. Not that it matters, the DS Emulator doesn't take up much memory and is CPU-intensive (my E6320 is much weaker than your E8400). I didn't say it's unplayable, the framerate could just definitely be better.
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You play Crysis? With 2 GB or RAM?

Tegra 2 will have graphics processing power of a PS2. The question is the CPU coupled with it.
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Yes, it's not like extra RAM makes any appreciable difference if you don't use it. I must have said this about half a dozen times in the past week here. With Crysis running I only see myself using about 1.5GB of RAM, so 2GB is more than enough.
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"Two screens" didn't work on the Continuum and they won't work here. The fact is that if developers have to use a separate SDK, they won't. Plain and simple. Oh, and 3.5" screens are shoddy. Leave those baby-sizes to the iPhone users.
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Keep in mind i have no idea how to program at all.

So i know most times emulators do need a ton of extra over head to run...but most of the time you are emulating the older hard ware aren't you? In the case of Tegra 2 it has 2x Arm 9 and 1x Arm 7 one the die...the DS/DSi use an arm 7 and arm 9. That should drastically reduce the over head needed in this case, shouldn't it? I would aim more for a tablet version in portrait mode with a split screen for a DS emulator.

That said, with multicores out isn't it about time to look into Saturn emulation again?
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The fact that they both use ARM architecture dies should definitely help reduce overhead. Tegra 2 is a lot more powerful than meets the eye; it's time Android game development picked up.
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i am semi-sure. it's possible.

the great damn is when people say things without knowing ...

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tiger.demo.nds&pli=1
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i am semi-sure. it's possible.

the great damn is when people say things without knowing ...

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tiger.demo.nds&pli=1
Did you even read the link you posted? It's a proof of concept that runs via VNC and and only runs at 1 frame per second.

By that logic, running a regular car on lighter fluid is "possible", because it would turn over once or twice if you poured lighter fluid in it. But that doesn't mean it actually works.
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Did YOU read it? I see nothing about VNC in the description.
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Sweet proof they got going there...tell them to optimize for Teg2 now they will be up to speed in no time.
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Simple answer, no. DS has 2 screens, Droid has one. Even if you got a game to run it would be insanely hard to play missing half of the content. Perhaps you could split the screen but that would require some serious hacking of not only the emulator but the games also.
a PC has one screen (monitor) but DS emulators work on it... :/ if emulators wroked on Android, it would split its one screen into TWO SECTIONS
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Did YOU read it? I see nothing about VNC in the description.
some people not only stupid but also they have no fantasy at all.

I have DS emulator on PC.
it shows TWO windows on the PC Screen.
everything works well.
and i am using COMPUTER MOUSE on lower "touch screen"

Tech specs: Both screens at 256 ラ 192 pixels

soo. if android phone has at least 256x384 screen,
it can display both dsi screens (WITHOUT SCALING)

sooo. screen is not a problem.

the problem may be in CPU speed..
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Did you even read the link you posted? It's a proof of concept that runs via VNC and and only runs at 1 frame per second.
Soo!
It is possible to run DS emulator on PC
and connect there from Android by VNC !!

(haha. funny.)
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It IS possible. 'Very possible'. Screen size is perfect with phone in vertical. Tiger King has given us proof that you can actually do it. BUT it will take time. I mean, in the PS1 first times if anyone said he would emulate it in a tiny phone, everyone would call him crazy, for sure. And now we do it daily. The question is how long it's gonna take and how much it'll cost.
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its possible there are already some roms but its not called ds but nds from nitendo ds so there are already some didnt try one yer but if its on the market i bet it work
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Its out

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.chaos.nds4droid
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