Re: 2.1 to begin rollout this week - Motorola (Updated)
from what I took from what motorola said is that they want to be more diverse. I don't think that they are trying to say anything bad about android. They just want to get into the winmo market. Its actually pretty smart because not everyone wants an android phone. They will still make android phones, they will just have winmo 7 phones too
Fragmentation is inevitable...Unless you release one device and they ALL have the same specs it's probably not feasible that all of the phones that CAN run Android CAN run the latest and greatest.
Now don't get me wrong I believe the Droid can run N1s, but some of the N1 and Droid features would crunch the Eris...Fragmentation due to that isn't a bad thing, it's preserving customer experience. There are plenty of Eris owners out there who are happy, got what they wanted and paid 1-200 less than Droid owners. These three phones really are the first mainstream foray for the CDMA world which has been crippled by Windows Mobile for years.
With Windows 7 Phone incoming I think we might all be surprised what Android does to stay competitive and also stick it to Apple. Remember a few years back when you bought a phone and that was pretty much it? No upgrades, no feature updates. Maybe a firmware flash or two for the entire 3-5 year life of a model...With new phones every few months now we're getting greedy with the grass is always greener mentality.
This may very well be manufacturer or carrier decisions and not Google's fault at all.
As far as I am concerned this delay is inexcusable. If the nexus could do it over a month ago then this is stupid. Also I am getting very annoyed by Motorola's recent behavior. They are completely about money now which I know they are a business but they had a more humble tone before the droid came out and now they are like oh windows 7 is cool now, even though they disowned it earlier and I know it used to suck in comparison but it is the principle of the matter , so now they are like well android isn't as cool as it was and we are going to screw up the entire release of a major software for our company saving phone! We also only care about blur and not just plain android. Were going to leak info too early and then give the lame "soon" label for over a month. Sorry but i am getting very frustrated with these people!
If Verizon/Moto wants to release an update they will. If they decide it's not worth the effort they don't have to. There's nothing in the TOS saying they have to release updates. They could come out tomorrow and say they aren't going to do an update, 2.0.1 is it, and there's really nothing we can do about it. Look at the winmo phones. Some of them get updates, some don't. That's not to say someone will not cook a new rom, but they don't get official updates. When/If the update is ready, they'll release it. Bitching about it on some random web forum isn't going to make it come any faster.
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Dear Motorola,
You're very close to assuring that I never buy one of your phones ever again. I saw what your exec said about really preferring to write a Moto phone OS, then indicating a jump back to the windows mobile camp, which tells me you don't respect your savior in Android. Now that your company appears to be sitting on the update that could make Droid truly great and worthy of the 'iPhone killer' moniker, you're really pissing us all off.
P.S. do you happen to read Engadget per chance?
If they read Engadget they would know that the iPhone was the editor's pick and has no physical keyboard.
Have you done your homework on 2.1? No major changes, just some minor tweaks, which still makes it not quite the iPhone killer.
So really your opinion doesn't matter - go buy a Blackberry, all but one of those have physical keyboards.
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As far as I am concerned this delay is inexcusable. If the nexus could do it over a month ago then this is stupid. Also I am getting very annoyed by Motorola's recent behavior. They are completely about money now which I know they are a business but they had a more humble tone before the droid came out and now they are like oh windows 7 is cool now, even though they disowned it earlier and I know it used to suck in comparison but it is the principle of the matter , so now they are like well android isn't as cool as it was and we are going to screw up the entire release of a major software for our company saving phone! We also only care about blur and not just plain android. Were going to leak info too early and then give the lame "soon" label for over a month. Sorry but i am getting very frustrated with these people!
I'm not sure if it is out now, but Blackberry severely delayed the release of their 5.0 OS in many devices. The Storm was the first one that got it because it was so jacked from the get go (I had one so I know), and then everyone else had to wait and wait and wait. The leaked 5.0 beta was the only choice that many had.
What motivation does Moto have to release it? None. I am willing to bet that over 90% of people that own a Droid don't care about an OS update, so why should they please the other 10%?
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None. I am willing to bet that over 90% of people that own a Droid don't care about an OS update, so why should they please the other 10%?
Agreed. I'd add that that 90% don't even know that an update is coming for the Droid.
While I'm fairly sure that future (2.1+) updates will make their way to the Droid, my next Android phone will be a Google device (Nexus ?) because I want to make sure it will get updates.
Agreed. I'd add that that 90% don't even know that an update is coming for the Droid.
While I'm fairly sure that future (2.1+) updates will make their way to the Droid, my next Android phone will be a Google device (Nexus ?) because I want to make sure it will get updates.
This is exactly what I don't get about Google's business model and why I don't believe that they don't believe they're hurting their partners. Why buy a non-Google phone when you KNOW updates come quicker, faster and more assuredly on their branded phones?
I'd rather wait longer and get a more stable release than do alpha- and beta-testing on my phone. I'm rooted on 2.0.1 and will probably wait for a while even after 2.1 is out to let our devs come up with a stable rooted "upgrade". $0.02 worth.
This is exactly what I don't get about Google's business model and why I don't believe that they don't believe they're hurting their partners. Why buy a non-Google phone when you KNOW updates come quicker, faster and more assuredly on their branded phones?
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Exactly. If the N1 was on Verizon, I'd drop the Droid with the quickness which is sad because the Droid is totally capable of being just as awesome as the N1.
Exactly. If the N1 was on Verizon, I'd drop the Droid with the quickness which is sad because the Droid is totally capable of being just as awesome as the N1.
If Verizon/Moto wants to release an update they will. If they decide it's not worth the effort they don't have to. There's nothing in the TOS saying they have to release updates. They could come out tomorrow and say they aren't going to do an update, 2.0.1 is it, and there's really nothing we can do about it. Look at the winmo phones. Some of them get updates, some don't. That's not to say someone will not cook a new rom, but they don't get official updates. When/If the update is ready, they'll release it. Bitching about it on some random web forum isn't going to make it come any faster.
Um first of all I am not bitching about it. Second of all I never said they had to release it at all. My problem is the piss poor way they handle their crap. I swear every time I am on their facebook/twitter they are apologizing for a screw up or confusion. So I really do not care if you don't like my opinion but it is just that an opinion and if you read carefully you would see I never said they HAD to do anything just that they obviously have been working on it and to leak the info and then retract it and all of the BS that transpired is what bothered me. Also I am not just someone off the street making this my first post on the first random android forum i found. Even today they have on twitter there apology for the "confusion" on the CLIQ update!!!!
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I'm not sure if it is out now, but Blackberry severely delayed the release of their 5.0 OS in many devices. The Storm was the first one that got it because it was so jacked from the get go (I had one so I know), and then everyone else had to wait and wait and wait. The leaked 5.0 beta was the only choice that many had.
What motivation does Moto have to release it? None. I am willing to bet that over 90% of people that own a Droid don't care about an OS update, so why should they please the other 10%?
Also again I would not care if they released it if they never promised it and leaked it and scrambled it. So I didn't just wake and say well htc did it screw moto where is the update. No I responded to the company saying something. I also had the storm and that was fine because we knew the OS was not coming. Blackberry never said it is here.... Oh damb we suck no its not "SORRY" Soon peeps soon!! So that is what is inexcusable not that we don;t have an update.
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dam dude, now i remember why i wanted an apple phone....
right me too.. i want to have to buy a phone every year so it can be updated... iphone, 3g, 3gs, whatever verizon gets...
i wasn't sold or loyal to the android platform till this week when I got an app that allowed me to unzip and load software without needing a pc. my phone is a machine that i can do almost anything on and the iphone is a cool toy that has a nice web browser and silly games.. I have an ipod touch and I don't want it to be my phone, its my expensive mp3 player that has some games on it.. my droid is almost a little pc/tablet that has several snes games on it.
We've just gotten the inside line on the next Droid update that's making the rounds through Verizon's testing department from one of our trusted sources, and overall, it looks like this should take users 95 percent of the way to curing pangs of Nexus One envy. Here's what we've got:
Google Goggles is now pre-installed (no matter how unhelpful it may be).
The browser's now multitouch enabled, just like Google Maps 3.4. Huzzah! No Flash, but then again, we weren't really expecting that.
Interestingly, the home screen's still got the same look as 2.0.1, meaning it doesn't adopt the Nexus One's rotating 3D grid of app icons -- it's still got the pull-up drawer tab at the bottom.
No active wallpapers. Bummer!
The news and weather widgets introduced on the Nexus One are included. Maybe certain capabilities of 2.1 are going to be restricted to devices with minimum performance benchmarks?
There's no word on timing, and for all our source knows, this build could still very well fail testing -- goodness knows it's happened with plenty of pre-production firmwares in Verizon's past. We'll keep our ear to the ground and you do the same.
My biggest problem with my Droid so far, is that embedded pictures in emails still do not showup most of the time, while pictures in from the same exact email do show up on my wifes iPhone. For the most part, I love Android, but I hate the hardware. I will never buy another Motorola phone again (I have said that twice before, and keep falling for it again, then hating the hardware once again)
The keyboard doesn't stay closed in my pocket. The battery cover doesn't stay on. The phones style is to phones what Lenovo laptops are to computers. It is a very dated style. And the headphone jack is already worn out after less than 6 months. I can't wait for my contract to be up, so I can get a nice looking HTC phone
My biggest problem with my Droid so far, is that embedded pictures in emails still do not showup most of the time, while pictures in from the same exact email do show up on my wifes iPhone.
That's an issue with Android, not the Motorola Droid. I don't like it either, but there are workarounds.
That's an issue with Android, not the Motorola Droid. I don't like it either, but there are workarounds.
What are the work around other than k9 which I tried, and didn't like? You would think a company like Google who has a great email service, could figure out how to get their emails to work correctly on their phones
What are the work around other than k9 which I tried, and didn't like? You would think a company like Google who has a great email service, could figure out how to get their emails to work correctly on their phones
Pull your gmail from a Web Browser.
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Dealing with computers and software and electronics and life frequently involves working around things.
An iPhone using friend thinks he should be able to listen to Pandora and send a text message at the same time, but he just deals with it for now.
I also work for a Tech company, Qualcomm where I am an engineering tech for the CDMA division.
I am just pointing out that if they want to be viewed as a real competitor, basic things like viewing embedded pictures within an email have got to be a norm, not something that needs to be worked around
You may want to voice your opinion over on the Google Forums, where 50,000 other people have complained about this. There is no one here that can fix this.
Early-mid April, POSSIBLY but highly unlikely end of this month. We will get live walls and 3d app drawer. They are in the newest ESE build being floated around at Motorola.
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Early-mid April, POSSIBLY but highly unlikely end of this month. We will get live walls and 3d app drawer. They are in the newest ESE build being floated around at Motorola.
This true bro? Hopefully it is cuz when that comes out the developers will even have more to work with
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This true bro? Hopefully it is cuz when that comes out the developers will even have more to work with
Gonzo, you know I have ALWAYS been pessimistic about early release dates and whatnot for 2.1. So yes this is true, I wouldn't bother posting it if I didn't trust the source 100%. Also that Engadget post is stupid, it is showing a OLD ERE build, heck Pete has a newer one then that (ERE29). These are all just engineering/research builds, not actual RC's or public releases. ESE builds are the real deal, and the ones that I have seen do indeed have live walls AND the 3d drawer. I don't actually want them but they are there.
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, so now they are like well android isn't as cool as it was and we are going to screw up the entire release of a major software for our company saving phone! We also only care about blur and not just plain android. Were going to leak info too early and then give the lame "soon" label for over a month. 
iphone is a pretty lil thing that can't take risks, droid is a strong phone with open source that takes every risk....
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