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My graphics/art/design background loves the layout, breaks the mold of what a gui is expected to be! My business/practicality side questions whether it will make it to the market in that form.
If you take time to consider it, this is a logical approach to a liquid gui. The flow from homepage to program/app is slick and polished looking with interesting animations. This is the next step in touch-screen control gui's, which are going to continue to evolve rapidly. The problem is, most people don't really want this. They still prefer a single page at a time and simple or no animation between screens. Personally, I prefer the eye-candy, if I have to deal with it on a daily basis I would rather it be visually stimulating and appealing.
If this is the actual gui and not a skin then Windows Phone 7 could very well turn the market on it's ear like the iPhone did when it was first released.
I only hope the next major release from Android heads in a similar ground-breaking direction.
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I'm on board witn Windows 7 Series. I already own a ZuneHD so I'm familiar with the metro UI. Plus I'm already somewhat in Microsoft's ecosystem with MS office, xbox, windows 7, and my zuneHD. This phone pulls all of that together which is a excellent effort on Microsoft's part.
Plus I think people are really not realizing how good the Zune player is...I LOVE my ZuneHD...having that as basically an app on a smartphone is just insane to me. I use the Zune software EVERYDAY, and I don't even have Zune pass (atleast not yet)...it's awsome. I really hope they offer 64GB so I can just cram alot of media onto one of those phones.
I still don't regeret getting my Driod...it will always be handy for when I need it or want a device to play with.I think my appetite for Andriod has been satisfied with the Driod...which I think says alot about how good the phone is. The increasing fragmentation and WIP nature of Andriod isn't appealing to me, plus beyond google's services (which I'm not that tied too) there isn't much more.
I'm on board witn Windows 7 Series. I already own a ZuneHD so I'm familiar with the metro UI. Plus I'm already somewhat in Microsoft's ecosystem with MS office, xbox, windows 7, and my zuneHD. This phone pulls all of that together which is a excellent effort on Microsoft's part.
Plus I think people are really not realizing how good the Zune player is...I LOVE my ZuneHD...having that as basically an app on a smartphone is just insane to me. I use the Zune software EVERYDAY, and I don't even have Zune pass (atleast not yet)...it's awsome. I really hope they offer 64GB so I can just cram alot of media onto one of those phones.
I still don't regeret getting my Driod...it will always be handy for when I need it or want a device to play with.I think my appetite for Andriod has been satisfied with the Driod...which I think says alot about how good the phone is. The increasing fragmentation and WIP nature of Andriod isn't appealing to me, plus beyond google's services (which I'm not that tied too) there isn't much more.
I agree about the Zune software, I even like the Zune when it was a brown brick, I was one of the few who liked the brown I am really going to have to see if W7 comes out with a good phone, the software alone won't do it for me. I reallllly didn't like the LG they demo'd, but the Samsung didn't look too bad.
Do we actually know if it's push or just IMAP IDLE? The inventor of IMAP (Mark Crispin) posts in this Google group about the difference between the two.
This just in: WinPhone 7? Won't. Have. Copy-paste.
Defective by design.
I use copy & paste all the time on my Droid. It was incredibly useful when entering a few 63 character completely random WPA2 pass phrases into my phone for the various wireless routers I have in different locations (home, work, etc.). I would not have wanted to try typing all that error free even on the Droid's physical keyboard.
Iphone was a game changer. WebOS was a further step forward. I don't see WM7 being better than the WebOS, Android or the iPhone. A couple weeks after the WM7 is released, some developer will make an Android home replacement that will mimic the WM7.
Will the WM7 be as customizable as the Android or the WM6x? If it is not customizable, its a non-starter.
Also since the social network will be "live", I bet the battery life will suck.
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Iphone was a game changer. WebOS was a further step forward. I don't see WM7 being better than the WebOS, Android or the iPhone. A couple weeks after the WM7 is released, some developer will make an Android home replacement that will mimic the WM7.
Will the WM7 be as customizable as the Android or the WM6x? If it is not customizable, its a non-starter.
Also since the social network will be "live", I bet the battery life will suck.
I doubt the battery life will suck. Smartphones have to have good battery life in order to be successful. I think that it is not going to be customizable (ie HTC Sense). I think Microsoft has said that somewhere. As for development, Windows Mobile was pretty easy to develop for, as well as Zune games.
I think that the C&P will be there by the time they release it, they do have months to work that out before it comes out. Also, I like Android, but if I'm a designer right now, I am all about social integration. On WinMo, it looks like Facebook and Twitter are integrated into the OS like no one else's so far. Facebook and Flickr pics as a folder in your gallery? Live update feeds on the home screen? I really like Android, but so far all Google has managed is Buzz, which has just resulted in class-action lawsuits, and the worst Facebook app of any platform so far.
Also, I like Android, but if I'm a designer right now, I am all about social integration. On WinMo, it looks like Facebook and Twitter are integrated into the OS like no one else's so far.
No, there's no social integration on Android...
Motoblur on certain Motorola Android phones must be my imagination.
Friendstream on HTC Android phones with SenseUI must also be my imagination.
I'm glad my Droid is running stock (BB, close enough) Android and does not have all this social integration crap polluting my desktop. When I feel the need to see what's up on Facebook, I use the Facebook app. Same for Twitter. I don't need a constant stream of mainly pointless babble wasting my battery.
People need to realize that this is going to be release 1 of WP7. They already have this in mind for release 2 and will be taking feedback from the public and developers. So keeping in mind that the platform is made so they can personally give OTA updates instead of having to deal with carriers like android does now, there will be new features and fixes in no time.
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I doubt the battery life will suck. Smartphones have to have good battery life in order to be successful. I think that it is not going to be customizable (ie HTC Sense). I think Microsoft has said that somewhere. As for development, Windows Mobile was pretty easy to develop for, as well as Zune games.
I think that owners of the Droid, Hero, Eris, and Samsung Momment would disagree. They are all great and successful phones, but I want to kick whoever designed those batteries in the junk! They have awesome battery life if you just use them for a phone, but when you start playing online games, surfing, and watching your *ahem* movie collection, battery life becomes as sought after and mythical as a fountain of youth.
Forget electric cars! That fuel source was meant for my phone, damn it!
I think that owners of the Droid, Hero, Eris, and Samsung Momment would disagree. They are all great and successful phones, but I want to kick whoever designed those batteries in the junk! They have awesome battery life if you just use them for a phone, but when you start playing online games, surfing, and watching your *ahem* movie collection, battery life becomes as sought after and mythical as a fountain of youth.
Forget electric cars! That fuel source was meant for my phone, damn it!
My friends with Droids and Heros have no problem with their battery life, but I do not know what all they are running on it. I know one of the guys with the Hero rooted his and the battery life improved.
I think that owners of the Droid, Hero, Eris, and Samsung Momment would disagree. They are all great and successful phones, but I want to kick whoever designed those batteries in the junk! They have awesome battery life if you just use them for a phone, but when you start playing online games, surfing, and watching your *ahem* movie collection, battery life becomes as sought after and mythical as a fountain of youth.
Forget electric cars! That fuel source was meant for my phone, damn it!
With great power, comes great responsibility.
Use your power bar to disable features you are not using when you watch a movie. Wifi, GPS, etc.
MS has two major advantages over the android platform.
#1: A clean start with almost zero fragmentation. Not only does android have many flavors (1.5, 1.5, 2.01, 2.1) but it has a fairly broad range of hardware (different resolutions, RAM, CPUs, GPUs, etc...). Android developers are usually forced to develop for the lowest common denominator. WM7 devs can take full advantage of hardware/software features because all the platforms will be similar. This is a major reason why the iPhone has been so successful.
#2: A wealth of development tools and experience. Let's face it, eclipse/java can't hold a candle to VS in terms of development time and options.
So we might see MS develop an app store full of good looking apps very rapidly.
Don't get me wrong - I love my droid, but after doing some android development projects I find myself looking more and more towards WM7.
wait, no fragmentation?
I think for instance the HTC HD2 users that are going to be stuck on windows mobile 6.5 might disagree with you
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With great power, comes great responsibility.
Use your power bar to disable features you are not using when you watch a movie. Wifi, GPS, etc.
I am a horribly irresponsible person.
Just kidding, I am pretty bad with it. Due to a bug/design flaw in Parallel Kingdom, I try to leave the game open all of the time which uses the GPS all the time. I know that I am using a lot of apps/memory/power at once. I am even harder on my computers.
I also know that they were able to really get a lot of performance out of the Samsung and HTC phones after rooting.
I just want more and I hope that the Winmo 7 people can accomodate wanty people like myself.
Motoblur on certain Motorola Android phones must be my imagination.
Friendstream on HTC Android phones with SenseUI must also be my imagination.
I'm glad my Droid is running stock (BB, close enough) Android and does not have all this social integration crap polluting my desktop. When I feel the need to see what's up on Facebook, I use the Facebook app. Same for Twitter. I don't need a constant stream of mainly pointless babble wasting my battery.
Good point, I don't want that much integration either, but I'm impressed at how they've done it. And I didn't say that they don't have any integration, I just said that WinMo's looks better is all. I would really like to have integration with my flickr, that would be awesome. We still don't have good flickr integration on Android. I like the open source, but I would like some legit apps, made by the companies themselves.
I think once SPB releases their mobile shell app for android it will have quite a bit of social integration for those that want that sort of thing. Seeing as how WM7 won't allow for third party "desktops" I would be surprised if this didn't come out sooner than later.
I think social integration is trivial to be honest. Anyone can integrate feeds into their OS. Andriod has done an OK job..it could do better. Windows 7 is just taking what WebOS and MotoBlur does in a different way. Windows 7 trumph cards for consumers is Xbox live and Zune..which is icing on the cake to the data aggregation (pictures, feeds, news). I believe the apps and improvements to Wind7 will come in time just like it did for the iPhone OS. To be honest I think WebOS is superior to them all..even Win7..but we can all see how they have struggled. Microsoft has a gathering ecosystem. The hardware will come too..i'm salivating over HTC's Win7 superphone b/c they make superior hardware (think HD3, or imagio 2).
I would really like to have integration with my flickr, that would be awesome. We still don't have good flickr integration on Android. I like the open source, but I would like some legit apps, made by the companies themselves.
Browsing flickr on Android isn't bad via the browser, but I'd like an app that integrates into the Android Gallery app and also allows bulk direct uploading via the 'share' menu in Gallery.
If I recall from when I had an Eris, they did integrate flickr into the gallery app in Sense, but I could be just having a faulty memory.
Browsing flickr on Android isn't bad via the browser, but I'd like an app that integrates into the Android Gallery app and also allows bulk direct uploading via the 'share' menu in Gallery.
If I recall from when I had an Eris, they did integrate flickr into the gallery app in Sense, but I could be just having a faulty memory.
Yep, I've browsed my account through the browser, but I feel like I'm cut off from it on my phone. I really really loved the fact that the Win7 Gallery equivalent just gathered all your pictures together, regardless of source.
Also, I still think that having a strong media ecosystem is a huge help to Win7.
I know that most people don't want movies on their phones, but I am flying in a couple weeks and I'd love to just dl a few without having to go through laborious converting. Win7 might have the ultimate win by being able to dl media through Zune and having divx support, for those slightly less honest. I still can't believe that the "open" Android doesn't support xvid.
Theres always going to be new better stuff coming.
Just enjoy your droid for a while and when it is really showing it's age you can look forward to replacing it with a phone that is 2 years more advanced than the one you are oogling over now.
Theres always going to be new better stuff coming.
Just enjoy your droid for a while and when it is really showing it's age you can look forward to replacing it with a phone that is 2 years more advanced than the one you are oogling over now.
I'd like to think Motorola will keep the ball rolling and we'll see further iterations of the Droid. Kinda how the iPhone is on it's 3rd iteration now and a 4th is one the way. The Droid is an amazing mobile device with amazing potential. I personally would like to see it grow and thrive to the point where Motorola has no other choice but to keep it going with another one!
I think the groundbreaking thing about the W7 is the way the icons are also widget-like in their functionality. The visual real estate used by any icon should be used to also carry information. The space is not wasted on the w7 phone.
I have to use an app store widget for Gmail just to get a red envelope that shows the number of unread emails. That's silly -- it should have that feature natively. Almost every app has some kind of info to update you with.
Also, Windows seems to have the right idea that the challenge is seamlessly integrating the work, fun, and family aspects of your life. iPhone gets a FAIL on serving work customers.
The netflix app has me drooling, but we will see what kind of app development it has.
Once we get the 2.1 update which includes flash, having a Netflix app will be irrelevant to Droid users. Just use your Droid to log on to Netlix like you would your Mac or PC and start streaming. No app required.
From watching the videos, it does do some things very very nicely, but it was somewhat irritating to watch them pretend that a lot of stuff that Android (or at least Droid) does already is new and groundbreaking.
"Phone numbers and addresses in web pages will be touchable to help you dial or take you somewhere on the map"
"Wow, really?"
...also...
"When you search, search does a contextual search and provides you local results, say, 'pizza' for instance"
"Wow!"
C'mon, seriously? Is the general viewing public *that* stupid? This phone's potentially a year away and the Droid's been doing that for nearly five months now - I think the novelty will have worn off by then.
Still, though, it looks leaps and bounds better than my last (and only WinMo) phone, the Samsung Omnia. My biggest gripe is that if this is their new interface for Zune and Win7Pho and all, why did it take so long to implement, when it's almost exactly like the Media Center edition of XP they started putting out in 2005 (or earlier - I bought a laptop in 2006 that had Media Center that this is eerily reminiscent of)?
Once we get the 2.1 update which includes flash, having a Netflix app will be irrelevant to Droid users. Just use your Droid to log on to Netlix like you would your Mac or PC and start streaming. No app required.
Can anyone else verify that this will be true? It seems like we would have heard about this. I know that I haven't heard about flash being in 2.1, or coming to 2.1. In fact, I've never seen a phone running Flash well. It always looks so laggy.
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Can anyone else verify that this will be true? It seems like we would have heard about this. I know that I haven't heard about flash being in 2.1, or coming to 2.1. In fact, I've never seen a phone running Flash well. It always looks so laggy.
There will be no Flash 10 support for the Hero according to Adobe, the processor can't handle it.
Can anyone else verify that this will be true? It seems like we would have heard about this. I know that I haven't heard about flash being in 2.1, or coming to 2.1. In fact, I've never seen a phone running Flash well. It always looks so laggy.
Well, I can't say for sure who linked the video, but there is an Adobe video linked somewhere in this forum that shows someone from Adobe running flash on a Droid.
I will correct myself, and thank you for questioning, but maybe I should have said that it is *possible* but not definite that Flash will be part of the 2.1 update. I suppose Adobe doesn't have to follow the timing of the 2.1 release since they're in their own world. But it's safe to say that at some point, whether its part of the 2.1 update or not, that Droid users will have Flash 10 in this half of 2010 -- at which point we won't need a Netflix app because we will be able to stream straight from the web.
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wait, no fragmentation?
I think for instance the HTC HD2 users that are going to be stuck on windows mobile 6.5 might disagree with you
OMG you freaking nailed that one dude. Freaking. Nailed. It. Somehow some blogger started the fragmentation "worry" about Android and it was picked up like a good looking girl in COSPLAY at a WOW convention. Worse still for Windows users, there is and NEVER will be an upgrade for 6.5 users. NEVER. This has been stated flatly. Good catch.
Once we get the 2.1 update which includes flash, having a Netflix app will be irrelevant to Droid users. Just use your Droid to log on to Netlix like you would your Mac or PC and start streaming. No app required.
I was a WinMo user for about 6 years, the ONLY reason I stayed with it for so long was because you could flash custom ROMs.
I figure WinMo7 will be a lot like other OS's, for some, it will serve their needs and running 'stock' will be no issue at all. But for others, a completely locked down system will be a deal breaker.
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Uhm, yay, after launch.
No live wallpapers at launch? Acceptable. Copy and paste coming in an update...? Oh... kay... then.
i agree in theory that copy/paste is a crucial productivity functionality. however, in practice, i have never used copy/paste on my droid. and i've had it since launch day.
I use copy-paste quite a bit on my N1--admittedly, my N1 runs Sense, so copy-pasting from the browser is done much, much better than vanilla Android. But still, it's such a basic thing that its exclusion doesn't seem at all sensible.
It looks sweet for people who are into that sort of thing, but the whole UI and design is just too weird and minimalistic for me. I think I'm still going to prefer Android, though I will definitely give it a fair shot.
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I use copy-paste quite a bit on my N1--admittedly, my N1 runs Sense, so copy-pasting from the browser is done much, much better than vanilla Android. But still, it's such a basic thing that its exclusion doesn't seem at all sensible.
Not for anything but do you use copy/paste for anything that is not a phone number or address?
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I am really going to have to see if W7 comes out with a good phone, the software alone won't do it for me. I reallllly didn't like the LG they demo'd, but the Samsung didn't look too bad.
