I use copy/paste once a week or maybe a little more.
One of the things that I liked about WM6.x and Android is the ability to change the home screen. If I wanted a cubed home screen, there's an app for that. Same if I wanted other variations to the home screen. Is WM7 designed with the "one size fits all" mentality or will there be alternate home screens available? That would suck if we weren't able to change the home screen to a style we like better.
Also, it sounds like the WM7 will be the only operating system that will have full time contacts with the network (live social network) and still not have battery issues. I can't wait to see this new battery system.
Additionally, I can see MS doing the OTA updates and screwing up the phones. They then will blame the carrier. (Like the old "it must be one of your drivers" when XP had the Blue Screen of Death). Carriers release the OTA updates only after they are sure the update is compliant with their network.
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I am sorry, but this had me laughing so hard. I have lost faith in MS after all their blunders. I hope WM7 isn't just another Vista.
MS puts out some very good software, and as far as Vista goes, it has been my experience that people who have problems with it are running early versions and quite often with insufficient ram. I have Vista Ultimate 64 with 8g ram, have been running over a year without even a single hiccup.
Windows Phone 7 will be base on Windows 7 functionality which means it should be good.
Sorry ... I've had too many problems with too many WINMO phones. Windows stinks ... period. Until they have had their new stuff out for a year I wouldn't even consider anything Windows related. I want my computers and phones to work when I need them ... I don't want to reboot constantly or have to play computer tech. With anything Windows related, I always take a wait and see attitude. Been burned too often over the past many years.
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Unless you're doing something deeply, horribly wrong, WinXP and Win7 requires neither. Vista maybe, but only due to performance problems more than stability.
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Unless you're doing something deeply, horribly wrong, WinXP and Win7 requires neither. Vista maybe, but only due to performance problems more than stability.
I do deeply, horribly, wrong things in XP, Vista, and Windows 7. Instability comes from: using bad hardware (by bad, I mean components that take shortcuts for short term speed increases so as to look better on the benchmark of the week or old components, then there is just plain bad components...) bad software (usually of the driver variety) and bad users (usually of the "I'm too important to actually learn something about what I bought" variety.)
Bad hardware and bad software happens, just like the sun rising and setting. Bad users should never have an android phone.
I do deeply, horribly, wrong things in XP, Vista, and Windows 7. Instability comes from: using bad hardware (by bad, I mean components that take shortcuts for short term speed increases so as to look better on the benchmark of the week or old components, then there is just plain bad components...) bad software (usually of the driver variety) and bad users (usually of the "I'm too important to actually learn something about what I bought" variety.)
Bad hardware and bad software happens, just like the sun rising and setting. Bad users should never have an android phone.
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Bad users shouldn't have anything!
Exactly to both. Bad users annoy make me glad I don't have to do full-time IT support.
Well those phones weren't designed with WinMo 7 in mind.
No, but rest assured XDA will develop a WIN 7 ROM that can be rooted to the HD2 for those that really want it. Not a major deal breaker or reason not to buy an HD2.
That OS looks like crap.I dont know what would make anyone switch from android to that....that thing the UI is hideous. It doesnt come close to The android UI customization and IMO Sense UI is leaps and bounds over it. The only nice thing i like about what MS is doing is setting the standard for all devices no1 likes to be left out in the cold with no updates
I, for one, am happy to see someone diverge from the "pages of app icons" that has become the staple of current high-tech smart phones. The UI, to me, is the worst part of the iPhone (besides the lack of multitasking). Android does a better job thanks to the availability of widgets. In the end, though, it's still a 4x4 grid on which to place icons.
It's a preference thing, though. I recently read an article lauding the iPhone UI and the divergence from "folder" based UI's. Me, I like folders. I like the concept of hubs. We'll just see if Microsoft makes good on this. I, for one, am rather glad to see Microsoft keeping pace with the oh-so-trendy Apple (a company whose products I just cannot help but dislike). Windows 7 is amazing, the Courier (if it ever exists) is what I imagine a tablet should be, and as I've already said these WM7 phones are a nice change of pace.
That being said, I do love my Droid (can't really imagine what I did before I had it, when I was still using a "dumb" LG flip phone). And I love Google. It'll be interesting when it's time to upgrade in 18 months
Don't get me wrong because I love my Droid but whatever happen to a phone being a phone? On top of that I'd hate to see the virus issues with a Winmo phone.
(no I didn't read through all the posts in the thread just in case it has already been brought up.)
I'm happy with Android. I haven't really seen anything that would make be want to switch.
More competition is good, but my concern is that Microsoft will try to cheat and get ahead not by offering a better product, but by locking in exclusive business deals.
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Don't get me wrong because I love my Droid but whatever happen to a phone being a phone? On top of that I'd hate to see the virus issues with a Winmo phone.
(no I didn't read through all the posts in the thread just in case it has already been brought up.)
Wow I didn't think I'd get called a Mactard over my comment. Whats really funny is I don't even have a Mac and don't much care for them. I much prefer dual booting with MS for gaming and Linux for everything else.....
Guess my main point is whatever happen to a cell phone being just that, a phone. Sorry I blew up. Won't happen again.
I don't mean to go off about this either, but it really frosts me to hear such biased garbage against the very company that completely changed the smartphone forever - Apple - and if it weren't for that, none of us would even have our Droids. Sorry Grainysand, but once again it took Apple to perfect what MicroSoft could not get right.
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I don't mean to go off about this either, but it really frosts me to hear such biased garbage against the very company that completely changed the smartphone forever - Apple - and if it weren't for that, none of us would even have our Droids. Sorry Grainysand, but once again it took Apple to perfect what MicroSoft could not get right.
And your assumption is that if Apple had not done it no other company possibly could have. That sounds more biased than anything else I have heard.
The iPhone was not so much revolutionary as evolutionary. Sprint had an apps store before the iPhone even existed, the finger touch use instead of stylus was borrowed from touchscreen PC's and yes, even WinMo. In fact, about the only thing that did not pre-date the iPhone was pinch to zoom. All Apple did was what they do good, put it in a pretty package and market the hell out of it.
As for your statement "...but once again it took Apple to perfect what MicroSoft could not get right." I have been a WinMo user, and have played around with iPhones, as far as what WinMo was made for, business use, it is by far the better choice. If you want to use your phone for entertainment, then the iPhone is a good choice for you.
Android would have surfaced even without the iPhone, Apple didn't invent smartphones after all. Android is as much a response to WinMo, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry as it is the iPhone.
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I was messing around with my MS OneNote and I realized... I want WinMo or a similar app that is compatible with android phones or a way to get OneNote stuff to and from Android.
Let's move past it. I think the new Windows mobile is better than what they had before, but the layout is too *busy* and if it can't be customized like Android, then I give it a thumbs down.
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I like that they are targeting a more "hip" (for lack of a better word) audience. To me, though, it just looks overly busy. I would hope it is customizable, but for now I am happy to customize my Droid with widgets (except the crappy facebook app).
The UI on the WP7 is simple and amazing. I have an XBL account and it would be really useful. What Android lacks is the Quality to crap app ratio; Theres more crap apps in the market that are just for numbers than Quality applications. I am looking forward to the ipod touch alternative, the Zune HD 2
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Personally I think the Windows UI looks okay, but I much prefer all of the alternatives. And yes, there are a lot of crappy apps on the Android Marketplace, but it's not just for the reason of being able to claim we have a large number of apps. Google encourages open development and typically doesn't reject apps a lot. There are always trade-offs to decisions, and b/c we have access to a large variety of apps (a lot of which wouldn't make it past the AppStore Guidelines), we also have to deal with the inevitable that some of the apps are going to be crap.
The OS is simply not customizeable enough for me. I also don't like having to scroll through screens to get to where I want to go. I would rather have shortcuts directly on my desktop to call people, map directly to my house, start applications, bookmarks, etc... This is my personal view, but the tiles are really ugly.
I can't wait for WP7. I could care less about UI, like you girly pansies who want "customization" and that bull. I actually like the UI, it does what it says, and pushes all the important information I need right at my home screen.
Microsoft, from all these numerous articles popping up, is having steering in the right direction on how it actually runs. An article that came out said that an application that doesn't run in 5 seconds is automatically rejected. That's some good stuff.
I think WP7 is a hybrid of the best features of Android and iOS. You get to choose your hardware and your carrier like Android, and you get a perfect set of core apps and steady, non tampered updates like iOS. Not to mention Office and Xbox Live integration, Zune Pass, and a slew of other goodies.
I can't wait for WP7. I could care less about UI, like you girly pansies who want "customization" and that bull. I actually like the UI, it does what it says, and pushes all the important information I need right at my home screen.
Microsoft, from all these numerous articles popping up, is having steering in the right direction on how it actually runs. An article that came out said that an application that doesn't run in 5 seconds is automatically rejected. That's some good stuff.
I think WP7 is a hybrid of the best features of Android and iOS. You get to choose your hardware and your carrier like Android, and you get a perfect set of core apps and steady, non tampered updates like iOS. Not to mention Office and Xbox Live integration, Zune Pass, and a slew of other goodies.
Applications can't anticipate what the system is going through at the time. Sure, they will be coded better so that they start faster, but that doesn't necessarily mean they will always start in less than 5 seconds. Just saying. EDIT: Also, this could potentially be a bad policy in certain cases. There might be some killer app that is worth the 5 seconds, and can't really be fixed to load faster (or maybe the developers choose not to worry about this and just don't put it out on WP7). Realistically, if an app takes more than 5 seconds to load (and isn't worth it), consumers aren't going to keep it anyway.
Personally, I'm expecting WP7 to be very good, I just don't really like the UI. But a lot of what you said is speculation (perfect set of core apps, non tampered updates) and it's hard to really know this for sure until we actually see some phones come out. I'm hoping WP7 is amazing. Not because I want to use it (mostly b/c i prefer the Android UI), but because it will force Android and iOS to step up their game as well.
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As someone still using a Windows 6.5 device for work, I'll say Windows 7 has come a long way. However, those "blocks" on the home screen are like screens from my Atari 8 bit computer I had in 1983. You have a beautiful hi res screen and when you turn it on you are going to see nice big blocks. That is sexy with a capital S! I'm actually shocked at the number of people who seem to really like it. Maybe its because it looks like their Zune once you get by the home screen. I don't know. All I know is that to me, its horrible and not something I'd be proud to show off.
Now I can't completely defend Android either. Android's interface is bland yet customizable but even with customization can look like a kludge. Its interface is choppy and lacks the glitz and butter feel of an iPhone. But yet Android is a solid phone with great potential. I think once Gingerbread comes out along with the Google Music service, we are going to see Android get more into the multimedia fun. Time will tell....
Personally, I'm expecting WP7 to be very good, I just don't really like the UI. But a lot of what you said is speculation (perfect set of core apps, non tampered updates) and it's hard to really know this for sure until we actually see some phones come out. I'm hoping WP7 is amazing. Not because I want to use it (mostly b/c i prefer the Android UI), but because it will force Android and iOS to step up their game as well.
How are those things speculation? The core apps have been proven to be great in the previews (except the whole "people" app shit) and Microsoft isn't allowing custom skinning of any sort (except from a hub, which indeed worries me)
As someone still using a Windows 6.5 device for work, I'll say Windows 7 has come a long way. However, those "blocks" on the home screen are like screens from my Atari 8 bit computer I had in 1983. You have a beautiful hi res screen and when you turn it on you are going to see nice big blocks. That is sexy with a capital S! I'm actually shocked at the number of people who seem to really like it. Maybe its because it looks like their Zune once you get by the home screen. I don't know. All I know is that to me, its horrible and not something I'd be proud to show off.
Now I can't completely defend Android either. Android's interface is bland yet customizable but even with customization can look like a kludge. Its interface is choppy and lacks the glitz and butter feel of an iPhone. But yet Android is a solid phone with great potential. I think once Gingerbread comes out along with the Google Music service, we are going to see Android get more into the multimedia fun. Time will tell....
Well, honestly I can understand how people would like the look of Windows 7 (even though I don't). It has a simple look that is clean and doesn't confuse the user. There aren't a million things going on on the screen and the options are clean-cut and neat.
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How are those things speculation? The core apps have been proven to be great in the previews (except the whole "people" app shit) and Microsoft isn't allowing custom skinning of any sort (except from a hub, which indeed worries me)
All I meant was, any device can be advertised in a certain way, but we will really have to have our hands on the device before we know for sure. I'm not saying that they won't be any good, just think you're jumping the gun a little. And really I don't see how we can know that we'll get steady updates at this point.
All I meant was, any device can be advertised in a certain way, but we will really have to have our hands on the device before we know for sure. I'm not saying that they won't be any good, just think you're jumping the gun a little. And really I don't see how we can know that we'll get steady updates at this point.
+1. Show me a production device from a store with a long term review (none of this "I used it for 10 minutes and here's my review" nonsense) and I'll take it seriously. Anything before that doesn't really matter in my book. YMMV, of course, but I've rarely been disappointed with this approach while it seems many others are disappointed after hyping up a product during the lead up to its release.
Multi-tasking on WM 7 is s***. Basically non-existent. You have to keep pressing the back button to get to your last used app. WTF is that? seriously.
So what? The purpose of WP7 is to bring a simple yet elegant experience with Quality controlled apps. Have you even seen the Android Market and the UI? There are so many puzzle and wallpaper apps that it isn't even funny.
One thing I like about Windows Mobile 7, would simply be that it can have software developed for it in more than just ONE language (android=java, ms=*.NET). That's one thing that urks me about Android, I'm keeping my eyes open for other languages, but haven't seen much that looks good.
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