I hope no one minds this being in the Droid forum, but as a Droid owner, I just wanted everyone else's input. Has anyone been watching the Windows 7 Series news? It's really looking amazing; I know that it won't be out for months, but they've already got some great partnerships, like an impressive AP app and that Netflix streaming app. Forget the 2.1 update, I'm starting to feel a little ignored as an Android user. I'm not sure dev's want to write programs for releases from 1.6 to 2.1, and there's no media ecosystem, like Zune or iTunes. I have this great big screen with nothing to put on there unless I want to do all the converting myself. BTW, that new March Madness iPhone app looks amazing, it seems like an app Android would never get. Engadget? It's coming... OTA Update? It's coming... I'm feeling like I did when I had a Creative Zen and I kept insisting that drag and drop with no DRM was better than iTunes syncing, and no one else in the world had one. I know Android is a young platform, but it looks like Microsoft is coming out with something impressive, Apple already has something impressive, and Android is in a weird holding pattern without a clear idea of where it's going. Anyone else feel the same?
Not that impressed. I mean for what it means for Microsoft sure..it's a great step in the right direction. They had no choice but to scrap their entire model and start over. However it's still a Windows OS and as such will be locked down. You can ONLY get apps on their phones by their marketplace too...and they've currently got nothing fully developed...not until like next Christmas...so I'm not worried
I'm almost sold on WP7, it looks amazing, so long as it runs well on all the phones and they get good hardware to go with it and it comes out on verizon ill be getting one for sure.
Yeah, I'm wondering if it will come out on Verizon also. I'd also like to see a good phone, that LG phone that they demoed on the Engadget Show was unimpressive; but it'd be great to have a phone that can connect to the Zune Store.
The biggest thing is push notifications. One thing Android is really lacking is a push server that let's developers push information to them rather than just polling on a fixed interval and tanking the battery life. Don't think I'd switch because I use so much of Google's stuff, but it would be nice to see them add a push server for Android.
The biggest thing is push notifications. One thing Android is really lacking is a push server that let's developers push information to them rather than just polling on a fixed interval and tanking the battery life. Don't think I'd switch because I use so much of Google's stuff, but it would be nice to see them add a push server for Android.
Exactly. I've been waiting on this for GMail and Google Voice since I got my phone.
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I have had WinMo phones for the last seven years before the droid. I still actually use my samsung epix. I am a Windows user so I do like the compatibility between the device and the computer. That all being said I have never enjoyed a phone more than my droid. I get excited to check these boards and others to see the latest and greatest. I'm all in on the droid, its a great phone an OC'd to 1000 she flies.
if the gaming/XboxLive bit lives up to the hype, which it just may...I will seriously consider switching. I like the interface, the push stuff, and the hardware minimum thing is nice. The only Google service I use is GV for voicemail, so integration with other Google stuff isn't important to me. All the other stuff, like FB, etc is on every platform, so that is a moot point pretty much.
I'm glad I have 18 months left on my Droid contract, as that will give W7 services/phones the time to mature and then I can make a real comparison between it and Android 2.2 or 2.3, whatever version is out by then.
I have had WinMo phones for the last seven years before the droid...I'm all in on the droid, its a great phone an OC'd to 1000 she flies.
I've never used a WinMo phone, so I can't compare the platforms at this point. I'm just impressed at this point, and I know it's still vaporware, by the potential it has. They're setting hardware standards to prevent fragmentation (*ahem* Google) and they're video/audio offerings are already great. I STILL can't find a podcast app that's 1/2 as good as Apple's, and I DON'T want an iPhone. I have been able to listen to Stuff You Missed in High School since I got my Droid. Also, rooting and OC'ing is fine for some, but it's not for me.
From what I've seen, I'd rather use Windows Mobile 6.5 than 7.
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If nothing else, the competition is good for everyone. If what they offer really is better, then google will have to do something about it by offering more just to stay in the game. It's a win win. You have the oportunity to move to another phone or hang out and watch what google does. I personally am not tied to any phone. If something new comes out that will make life easier with what I do on a phone, I'll get it. If not, I stick with what I have. I'll definately be looking into this one, thats for sure.
Yeah, competition is good. I just have the feeling that Google is doing this as a side project; they just want to make sure they have a presence in the mobile search market, but if Android fails, it doesn't really hurt them that much.
If nothing else, the competition is good for everyone. If what they offer really is better, then google will have to do something about it by offering more just to stay in the game. It's a win win. You have the oportunity to move to another phone or hang out and watch what google does. I personally am not tied to any phone. If something new comes out that will make life easier with what I do on a phone, I'll get it. If not, I stick with what I have. I'll definately be looking into this one, thats for sure.
That is the reason the free enterprise system works. The more choices, the better. It is good to keep yourself from being tied down to one mobile OS. You have the right idea, if it is a better mousetrap for you, get it instead.
What I don't like about WM7 is how much they want to lock it down: Only install apps from their app store, no micro-SD support.
That tight control is what I don't like about Apple, and WM7 seems just as bad if not worse.
I don't mean this offensively, but other than for rooting, what apps do people use not from the marketplace? Also, what do they use if not micro-SD, I hadn't heard that.
I'm completely sold on WinPho7s. Mostly because it doesn't look or interface anything like anything on the market currently. IMO, this looks like the first legitimate iPhone contender. Why? Because it builds on the same model that the iPhone has made so successful: It is rather locked down, but more importantly, hardware requirements, standardized equipment. They're protecting themselves from fragmentation. And I think that MS has all the tools to really recapture their market share. Yeah, Android went from 3% to 7% market share, but owed much to WinMo's decrease. Look for WinPho7s to recapture that and even take some from RIM.
I don't mean this offensively, but other than for rooting, what apps do people use not from the marketplace? Also, what do they use if not micro-SD, I hadn't heard that.
I have a large investment in eReader format ebooks from Fictionwise - and the eReader app is not on the market right now, you get it from eReader.com.
As for the micro-SD issue, I saw that on Phonescoop. I can see the point in that a single volume is easier to manage, but I still prefer the control and flexibility a card gives me.
That tight control is what I don't like about Apple, and WM7 seems just as bad if not worse.
I used to feel the same way. Still do about recording. I mean if I buy a 300 dollar music device it better be able to hook a line-in so I can record my dj mixes onto it.
But with the phones... I mean I was pretty serious about my concern with market control too. And then I started downloading some of this half-baked baloney from the app store. A little control would be nice.
I've never used a WinMo phone, so I can't compare the platforms at this point. I'm just impressed at this point, and I know it's still vaporware, by the potential it has. They're setting hardware standards to prevent fragmentation (*ahem* Google) and they're video/audio offerings are already great. I STILL can't find a podcast app that's 1/2 as good as Apple's, and I DON'T want an iPhone. I have been able to listen to Stuff You Missed in High School since I got my Droid. Also, rooting and OC'ing is fine for some, but it's not for me.
I highly recommend beyond pod for podcats. I was also disgruntled aboutt the podcast app selection and this one is great!
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Wow, so just to get this out of the way, and I can't be the first person to tell you this, you're a jerk. Seriously, is there a reason to be that rude?
PC gaming is awesome, but you're not the whole world. I get that you don't like it, but it's how I don't have a use for tampons, but I appreciate that they're fine inventions and other people do.
I tired DoubleTwist and it's just a giant resource-hogging iTunes rip-off that doesn't work as well. If I don't want iTunes, I certainly don't want a buggier rip-off using 99% of available memory.
My "babbling" is in reference to MY lack of an OTA update. I'd love to have gotten the N1 to use as a media player and browser where there are wi-fi hotspots, but I like to have a phone, and T-Mobile has terrible coverage in my area, but you would rather insult than properly discuss.
And P.S. walled-garden stupidity has worked well for a certain company with ever-growing market share and ridiculous profits.
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Im far from making up my mind on WP 7 but so far I dont like the look of the UI. The games/graphics look like they will be amazing but Im interested to see if they will be more playable than games like ExZues(Awesome graphics but I played it for like 5 minutes and completely lost interest. Not the games fault I just dont think phones are for gaming).
I love the fact that they are learning from android and from their own problems with WinMo and protecting themselves somewhat from fragmentation. So far it looks promising but its still a long way before release and until I can actually play around with it in a store i am not making any decisions.
Looks good, but definitely not my cup of tea. It has a very unique UI but it just seems to me that Android has a lot more to offer. Other than the slick UI, can someone please fill me in on what's so awesome about this OS?
Looks good, but definitely not my cup of tea. It has a very unique UI but it just seems to me that Android has a lot more to offer. Other than the slick UI, can someone please fill me in on what's so awesome about this OS?
MS has two major advantages over the android platform.
#1: A clean start with almost zero fragmentation. Not only does android have many flavors (1.5, 1.5, 2.01, 2.1) but it has a fairly broad range of hardware (different resolutions, RAM, CPUs, GPUs, etc...). Android developers are usually forced to develop for the lowest common denominator. WM7 devs can take full advantage of hardware/software features because all the platforms will be similar. This is a major reason why the iPhone has been so successful.
#2: A wealth of development tools and experience. Let's face it, eclipse/java can't hold a candle to VS in terms of development time and options.
So we might see MS develop an app store full of good looking apps very rapidly.
Don't get me wrong - I love my droid, but after doing some android development projects I find myself looking more and more towards WM7.
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DX9, DivX, and XBL integration, as well as the Zune HD interface for music.
That's cool, but I don't know. It seems like the phone manufacturers are dead set agains making a device which truly does it all. For all that one may get with Win7, one loses others:
No true multi-tasking, except for special hub apps like Pandora.
Marketplace is the only way to install apps, except for developers, beta versions and enterprise.
No removable storage.
No file system – apps can only access their own directory.
No USB drive mode.
No replacement of the default apps – while Opera will be allowed, it could not be the default browser.
No 3rd party shells
No native code
No peer to peer gaming.
I still have my WinMo 6.1 Moto Q on standby, as it has proven reliable for reception and functionality (go go slingbox!), but how hard would it be to leave at least the hardware features in, from the above list?
That's cool, but I don't know. It seems like the phone manufacturers are dead set agains making a device which truly does it all. For all that one may get with Win7, one loses others:
No true multi-tasking, except for special hub apps like Pandora.
Marketplace is the only way to install apps, except for developers, beta versions and enterprise.
No removable storage.
No file system – apps can only access their own directory.
No USB drive mode.
No replacement of the default apps – while Opera will be allowed, it could not be the default browser.
No 3rd party shells
No native code
No peer to peer gaming.
I still have my WinMo 6.1 Moto Q on standby, as it has proven reliable for reception and functionality (go go slingbox!), but how hard would it be to leave at least the hardware features in, from the above list?
Agreed, but what the iPhone has taught us is many people prefer the locked down nature (they know how it works and that it will work like that no matter the phone). As people become more educated about the choices out there, that will not be the case. But for right now, that is where people are.
Only thing that has me a little interested is I heard Xbox Live Arcade games will be playable on it. Would be cool to have games like Shadow Complex in the pocket, but besides that nothing I'm willing to drop the Droid over
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it looks awesome. microsoft has been stepping up it's game. if they can get their cloud functionalities fully integrated, i'll take a serious look at it on my next contract renewal.
To me,I think imma have to pass on the "new" winmo concept.I think the UI that ppl are describing as you unique is more like ridiculous.I want UI selection and its gotta look good.Sorry but that UI in the vids look terrible but thats me.and like how others describe it,if it has the very same lockdown nature that iPhone has,imma have to give it the big ol pass.if i wanted lockdown i would easily have gone to an iPhone for a "proven" winner in the lockdown dept.thankfully,i like freedom.The Xbox live thing would be nice,if i cared for the 360.but i dont(something about buying a system for a hefty price and having to continually shell out money for....things that should be standard?!).all in all i hope those who choose to seek out the winmo phones do it for the right reasons.not cuz its "NEW" or "has potential".having potential and actually doing something with it are 2 seperate things(ps3,zune,prius,my unemployed but gorgeous gf)(thats between us people lol).get winmo cuz it has what you want and need and not cuz of what it could have or hype.personal experiences...
Man, I just watched those videos and their Facebook integration made Android look like a dinosaur. I never thought Microsoft would look progressive, good job...
Well in all honesty if Microsoft keeps up with the apps on the Windows 7 phone like they do the ZuneHD they will have no apps at all, but being a ZuneHD owner I am hoping they will start rolling out the apps for both the Windows 7 phone and ZuneHD if they pretty much forget about the ZuneHD this will be my last run with it, but as you can tell by me owning a ZuneHD I am used to having no apps. However Android seems like they are doing pretty well to me. I mean they may not have those cool apps I can use a couple times and show off to friends, but I can show off my hacks just as well. Android will keep things coming and with the open market system keep them coming fast.
edit: I watched the video and I don't like how anything on that phone looks. Not even a slight bit. The facebook app just looks dumb. The keyboard looks weird. The hub is just an overall bad idea. Theres nothing about it that made me go "OH COOL!" It all looks generic and bland. Now I know this is a prototype, but I am stating my opinion.
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As a designer I went gaga when I first saw it. It is absolutely gorgeous but of course it lacks functionality, a reasonable name, or aesthetically matching hardware... so looks are not everything. I really like the boldness though, wish Android looked like WP7.
I have a idea, everybody that likes the Windows Phone can go buy it and make up ther own mind about it. Saying it is better then Android is like comparing apples to oranges. Might as well buy the iphone.
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If history w/MS development is any guide, they may get it right a few releases down the line, but I will definitely steer clear from their initial releases. Hard to trust MS after all the grief they've put me through over the years.
Just checked out the video on the Windows 7 site, and I am not impressed. I mean, it looked good, but just don't care for the overall layout. My view may be a little tarnished in that I have never liked Microsoft programs (aside from Office) very much compared to 3rd-party equivalents. I've never found them to be very intuitive and for the most part lack features I was always able to find in almost any 3rd party program. My experience with the PocketPC which had Windows Mobile was a joke, and though Windows Phone 7 is entirely different, I think it will be more of the *same*.
That said, Android is still in its infancy, but it is so customizable and there are enough resources out there in spite of Android's infancy either through rooting and the use of custom roms, or through the 2.1 update and the Android Market that most wants and needs can be met. Sure, I'm jealous of the Netflix streaming app, but as Android continues to grow, it will get its share of enviable apps as well. Besides, as soon as 2.1 hits with Flash 10, the Netflix app won't be necessary... we can just go to Netflix.com and stream whatever we want. So, I'm sticking with my Droid.
This just in: WinPhone 7? Won't. Have. Copy-paste.
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Man, I just watched those videos and their Facebook integration made Android look like a dinosaur. I never thought Microsoft would look progressive, good job...
Yep, taking the above into account, really progressive.
Well, i don't like the UI at all. I'm not sure what everyone is getting excited about. (no offense meant, I just don't think its that ground breaking). It's a bunch of boxes...ok "tiles"...but they take up to much space and are just square boxes on top of one another.
I like the concept of xbox live integration...but in reality I would not use it that often. I don't play arcade games that often, and even if I did, that would not be a major selling factor. I like playing games with a controller.
It's great they're changing things up, and the lock screen in pretty, (so is the one on my droid though) but I thought the video was funny. I like the Microsoft marketing..."when people go in the store, they will say, "I want a Windows phone!". lol. ok. and..."NOW we're designing with the END USER in mind!" um...you mean for all this time you HAVEN'T been designing with that in mind?!
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Windows Phone 7 Looking Better Than Android?
