So, not much of a Google Talk user, but now and then. And, I mostly use it via my desktop gMail app.. not on my phone.
Anyway, I close out the Talk app, but no matter what, even if it is closed, killed, off, it activates itself when someone sends me a chat.. even if I am logged on via my gMail account.
How the heck can you shut it off? What is it that makes it start up because someone wants to chat. I see no way to stop it and I am not always in the mood or able to chat and do not want to be disturbed but this Google Talk seems to start up and alert you anyway.
ideas?
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Hmmm...if I have gtalk open on my pc then it doesn't send them to my phone. Anyway to totally stop it you need to open the app and hit menu>more>sign out.
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If I have gMail chat open on my desktop and I am in a chat. It does not send the chat to my phone also, it keeps it on the gMail desktop app... which is good and expected
BUT
if a new person wants to chat, it alerts my phone even if I am right there in the desktop gMail chat talk app already. Why would it do that when I am obviously actively in chat using the desktop gMail app?
BTW, are you saying that simply closing the Droid talk app is not enough? You have to sign out and then close it? And if so, if you sign out of the Droid Talk app and close it, but then sign in on your desktop gMail chat app, does it not just sign in your Droid also and thus, even though you are on your computer, it now opened the channel on your Droid and so even though you had no Droid Talk going, you have to now sign out..
I also just learned, via some testing, if you sign out of chat, and a person try's to chat with you and cannot since you are not online, it sends you an email with the persons attempted chat info... jeez, it is like you can't get away from it.
the system is like, "don't want to chat? to bad as we are going to send you an email instead"
I stop it by doing the "sign out" under menu. Often forget to sign back in when I am away - but I do agree it would be nice to have a few Android features added to allow you to pick when to have messages sent. I like the option to have the Android picture to show friends using Android but I wish it showed them I was on my phone too.
1. to stop getting alerts on the phone you have to "sign out" - just turning the app off/closing it/killing it will not stop them.
2. if you are signed off of Talk, and someone trys to chat with you, you will get an email anyway - so it seems, your going to get an alert 1 way or another
3. it seems you can sign out of your Droid, sign in on your desktop, and then only get activity via the desktop. so, I am assuming the converse is true from what I tested so that if you sign out of your desktop and sign in on your Droid, the desktop will not be active but if you sign in on both, both are active and all hell breaks loose
I set my gmail app to not auto sign in also so the only time i get msgs is when its open
you mean in the Droid Talk app? Yes, I also set that to not "automatically sign in".. but really, what does that even mean?? because it seems to me, if you open the Talk app, and have it set to not automatically sign in, you in fact get signed in.
Why do I think that way? because I see no way to "sign in" I only see a way to "sign out" - so that tells me, even though I have it set to not "automatically sign in", it does anyway and that is proven by the fact you only have an option to "sign out" once you open Talk.
but based on what I said, it will sign you in anyway. If it signs you in, even with that not checked, when you don't reboot, then why would it act any different if you reboot.
my point is, it does not seem to pay any attention to that setting. As I said above, it signs you in anyway.
but based on what I said, it will sign you in anyway. If it signs you in, even with that not checked, when you don't reboot, then why would it act any different if you reboot.
my point is, it does not seem to pay any attention to that setting. As I said above, it signs you in anyway.
I see what you mean but think of the auto sign in as an actually auto start on startup option because that is what it is. Just tested it too
Not that this will solve your issue, but if you use Latitude on your Maps, the communication is done using Google Talk, and that could have something to do with it.
IE, Latitude updates your position, notices google talk not running, starts it.
Not sure if it actually works that way, but it could potentially.
i am a HUGE google apps user....church staff i serve with, we do everything with google and talk/chat is a huge part of our everyday process....
this is one thing i wish google would do....
i wish they would take their technology that they are using to power google wave and share it with gmail....
i have gmail, my droid, and talk/chat on my desktop....now i solved the droid issue a while back...no auto sign in, no problem, but if i ever open chat on my desktop (with anticipation of not having my browser open at some point) and then go into my gmail inbox, i get a copy of everything said in chat in both places....annoying, i wish they were able to sync it to know that wherever i started a chat, to leave it there unless i signed out of that particular app. that make sense?
in regards to the email about chat comment. personally i like this. i am always moving, never sitting in one place, especially since my church is multi-site. all of our offices reside on one campus while the other campus (where i am the student pastor at) is about 15 minutes away. my time requires me to be over there a lot, away from the rest of the staff....so a chat might be open all day with someone as we talk about things....at some point the conversation might fade off as we are working on other things....i might leave to go to the other campus and the other person might have an idea or something they need to add and they dont realize i am offline at this point. chat sent, i get an email instead, everything is kosher b/c now that person doesnt have to worry about retyping it or remembering to tell me later. i know it seems like a really random, out-of-left field example, but you would be amazed how may times that happens in a day....
my wife works for a publishing company that is 1300+ employees. they went google. happens to her all the time too.
It's meant to be like Blackberry Messenger. Guys, remember, it's a GOOGLE phone. It hogs virtually no memory or battery. Leave it.
you totally missed the point.. it is not 1 bit about the battery, it is about how it works, understanding how it is integrated with the desktop app, and how you can get away from it if your not interested in chatting or being disturbed.
you totally missed the point.. it is not 1 bit about the battery, it is about how it works, understanding how it is integrated with the desktop app, and how you can get away from it if your not interested in chatting or being disturbed.
Wouldn't that be the option to disable notifications then?
Did you actually read my post?! On the blackberry, you CAN'T turn off blackberry messenger, either. Hence, I suggested that Google is attempting to do the exact same thing. As such, if it's really bothering you, the only real 'solution' is to disable notifications...just as it's the same 'solution' on the blackberry. The consolation is that Google Talk doesn't really use that much memory or battery when it's 'on'. This concept of this thread has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads. Indeed, here's two quick posts that I found in 2 seconds with search here and here.
Did you actually read my post?! On the blackberry, you CAN'T turn off blackberry messenger, either. Hence, I suggested that Google is attempting to do the exact same thing. As such, if it's really bothering you, the only real 'solution' is to disable notifications...just as it's the same 'solution' on the blackberry. The consolation is that Google Talk doesn't really use that much memory or battery when it's 'on'. This concept of this thread has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads. Indeed, here's two quick posts that I found in 2 seconds with search here and here.
yeah, I read your post(s) and...
1. you talk about the BB, not applicable here
2. you tell us to chill as it hogs little to no battery power - when that was not even the issue or thread topic
3. you ask "Wouldn't that be the option to disable notifications then?" when this whole thread IS about trying to figure out how best to adjust notifications!!!! That's the whole point of the topic.. how to disable and configure and understand the notifications in both the Talk app and how it ties to the gMail app and how it is not that easy or intuitive to determine how to manage them both!! and then you chime in with that and then "As such, if it's really bothering you, the only real 'solution' is to disable notifications".. well duh.. that is what this is all about!!
4. "This concept of this thread has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads." not sure what that means since when you start a thread, the boards system shows you applicable threads and I checked them and saw none like this? so I started this.
Did you actually read my post?! On the blackberry, you CAN'T turn off blackberry messenger, either. Hence, I suggested that Google is attempting to do the exact same thing. As such, if it's really bothering you, the only real 'solution' is to disable notifications...just as it's the same 'solution' on the blackberry. The consolation is that Google Talk doesn't really use that much memory or battery when it's 'on'. This concept of this thread has been discussed ad nauseum on other threads. Indeed, here's two quick posts that I found in 2 seconds with search here and here.
hes not talking about it taking any power or memory, hes saying he doesnt want to be signed into google talk all the time. So disabling notifications doesnt accomplish that, only turning gchat off does
hes not talking about it taking any power or memory, hes saying he doesnt want to be signed into google talk all the time. So disabling notifications doesnt accomplish that, only turning gchat off does
exactly
AND.. even if your signed off, Google still sends me an email, which there appears to be no way to stop, so no matter what... you get "notified" in the end which seems.. wrong
so really, it is not intuitive and it takes a bit to figure out how the whole system.. Talk on the Droid and Chat within gMail.. function and choose to alert you and how they work if both are running and signed in or one is not and the other is, etc.
When I referenced BB Messenger, I was simply doing so to indicate that Google had copied the manner in which RIM deals with their chat....which is to leave it on almost all the time...and agreed, it's a hassle. One solution is to turn off auto-sign in, sign off, and then for good measure, go into settings -> applications -> running services and kill the Talk process. I've confirmed that I do NOT receive any notifications. Frankly, I'm not getting them on the phone simply by signing off.
The alternative, as I mentioned, is to turn off notifications so you won't be disturbed by them on your phone.
Meanwhile, I think the reason that you are getting gmail messages of your chat history is because you have your Gmail chat settings set to "Save chat history". Disable that and you won't get messages when you are offline.
Let me know if that helps and sorry if I misunderstood your OP. :-)
honestly, as I said above, closing/killing/ending the Talk app does not sign you out or stop you from getting alerts. the only thing that does stop alerts is to drill down into the Menu and actually "sign out". Also, as ssantan2 explained, the "auto-sign in" does not stop alerts, all it does it stop it from starting up and start to run when you reboot your phone as the phone starts. Signing out is all that stops alerts... but that does NOT stop the Google gmail you will get if you are signed out and there was no obvious way to stop that.
BUT
then you just said "I think the reason that you are getting gmail messages of your chat history is because you have your Gmail chat settings set to "Save chat history". Disable that and you won't get messages when you are offline." and that sounds like a decent possibility I will try. Would not have thought of that as it is not that intuitive, but you could be right as there is no way to select "stop getting emails if signed out" option. So, you might have a good tip there I will try.
ps - I can't just "turn off notifications so you won't be disturbed by them on your phone." as I need alerts, but when I shut some app off or sign out, I expect to be signed out. period.
honestly, as I said above, closing/killing/ending the Talk app does not sign you out or stop you from getting alerts. the only thing that does stop alerts is to drill down into the Menu and actually "sign out"....
ps - I can't just "turn off notifications so you won't be disturbed by them on your phone." as I need alerts, but when I shut some app off or sign out, I expect to be signed out. period.
I've been running into this problem on my droid as well. I think maybe we're a little old school. Google has a really weird/interesting application design. If you have an application 'signed on' in multiple locations, all locations will reflect your behavior. An example of this is to open Gmail (with chat enabled) in two different browsers. If you then chat someone in one browser, the other browser will open a chat box, even if the other person has not responded to you.
I think this element of design is what's powering the Talk irritation. One thing you can do to eliminate this problem is to disable 'sync'. (and turn off auto sign-in in the talk application. I've found this to be highly effective when trying to get talk to shut up. The only down side is you have to manually sync your email... of course this could be a good thing if you get email every 30 seconds like so many of us do.
A second option, which I haven't tried yet, is to uninstall talk and try using a 3rd party app to connect.
I can't get Google Talk to return to the sign in screen anymore. No matter what I do, or what settings I enable/disable, it ALWAYS signs in with my default phone gmail account. Under 2.0 I used to be able to sign out and log in with my google apps account. Under 2.0.1 and 2.1 I can't log in to talk under any other account.
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