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Old August 2nd, 2013, 05:10 PM   #1251 (permalink)
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Hello folks! Haven't been in a pre-release thread since the galaxy nexus.... And THAT was EPIC! Getting excited about this phone.
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If you get time to skim back to a little before this time yesterday, you'll pick up what we know.
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And to add to the processor confusion, take a look at this comparison of the new Droids and the Moto X. All have the "same" processor, but the "usage" times don't jive with the screen size vs. battery size...

Comparison: Moto X vs. DROID ULTRA vs. DROID MAXX vs. DROID Mini – Droid Life
The Droid Ultra gets 4 more hours of usage time with 70 less mAh in the battery but 22 less ppi. Something seems off.

As another point has anyone compared the Droid UL versus the Moto X UI? I'm wondering if there are large differences or if VZW just puts more bloatware on the Droid family because they can.
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Just to play devils advocate my only problem with this video is that the HTC One has obviously gotten some use while the Moto X seems brand new. The One has a bunch of apps on the homescreen and in the app library. I wonder if this had any effect on the performance.
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I'll go with the same response as what if it were a GPE One.

I've not experienced adding apps to slow a phone down in a long, long time.
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I'll go with the same response as what if it were a GPE One.

I've not experienced adding apps to slow a phone down in a long, long time.
Didn't 4.3 solve the issue of slowdown?
Android 4.3 supports TRIM, improves performance on Nexus devices

Isn't The One equipped with 4.2.2?
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Didn't 4.3 solve the issue of slowdown?
Android 4.3 supports TRIM, improves performance on Nexus devices

Isn't The One equipped with 4.2.2?
Ok, yeah, gotcha.

According to the blogs yesterday - the Moto X is also running 4.2.2.

Meanwhile - I just don't know from personal experience.

Sounds like TRIM is basically defragging the internal storage.

I'm running a +year-old phone that's had countless apps swapped on and off and I've seen no degradation due to that use.

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There is a lot of io improvements in 4.3, which is why the Nexus 7 saw dramatic improvement with the update. The Tegra 3 devices are notorious for having bad io, with the ultimate example being the Transformer Infinity.
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Im interested in this Trim thing. Breadnatty recommended an app that alleges to do the same but like him, i dont know if its a placebo lol. Aparently the Trim in 4.3 it isnt a "fix" but more of a preventative measure so to get the benefit of it, youll have to wipe your device and start again
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Gaming applications are naturally a combination of CPU and GPU tasks.

Setting load time aside, that game according to the reviewer was registering and responding to his inputs as well or faster than the One, ditto on the user experience.

And HTC Sense has always been hardware accelerated.

Either that game was sufficiently stressful and representative of its class or it wasn't.

My limited experience with Qualcomm apps is that they don't pull their punches - they want to show off their high end processors.

If true, then we just saw how a foreground app in the same sized total memory running on two hardware accelerated operating systems with the same Android revision just did.

If the app wasn't sufficiently stressful, maybe we didn't see the whole story.

But again, what we saw was very good.

And there's a fundamental hardware difference to account for the observable.

We need to see a lot more.

It's never wise to extrapolate to infinity from just two data points (pixels + app shown).

But I can't dismiss the observable quite so quickly.

Basically, it's clear that the expectation would be for the One to win.

Setting aside expectations leaves us evaluating the data by its own merits.

I can't accept finding reasons to make what we've all seen not so.

Maybe after we have a wider variety of data points, sure, no problem.

In systems testing we have a saying - one test is worth a thousand expert opinions.

I've been lighting up the lines behind the scenes to try to get news coverage on that video.

If successful, others will notice and run similar but different tests

Then we'll have more data.
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Im interested in this Trim thing. Breadnatty recommended an app that alleges to do the same but like him, i dont know if its a placebo lol. Aparently the Trim in 4.3 it isnt a "fix" but more of a preventative measure so to get the benefit of it, youll have to wipe your device and start again
Sounds about right tbh.
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They could knock it out of the park with accessories like they used to do with the OG Droid / OG Droid X and car and home cradles that were very functional and were forward compatible the the D2/DX2 etc. Hell, make some decent cradles that are compatible across the X line and the price point of the phone gets more attractive as I don't have to completely accessorize with each upgrade.

You know how nice it would be to toss my phone in a cradle in my wife's car when I use it?
In done buying accessories order phone. Why spend another $50+ per car and house chatting spot and then not have anywhere for the site to really charge her phone. There is already a universal dock charging mechanism. Its called qi. I have car chargers and house chargers already for it so I would never again have to worry about that. Sadly the X is just Droid Ultra, the lame middle child of the line.
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Just to play devils advocate my only problem with this video is that the HTC One has obviously gotten some use while the Moto X seems brand new. The One has a bunch of apps on the homescreen and in the app library. I wonder if this had any effect on the performance.
I hate that rounded back on the Moto X. Did you see the trouble he had using it?

But the performance rocked!!
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The reviews I've read say it's very comfortable to hold in your hand. I rarely use my phone when it's just sitting on a table, I pick it up and hold it so if it's curved and comfy I'm OK with that.
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This guy does some great explaining! I watch all his videos, very cool dude!

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The reviews I've read say it's very comfortable to hold in your hand. I rarely use my phone when it's just sitting on a table, I pick it up and hold it so if it's curved and comfy I'm OK with that.
I use mine as a desk phone (speaker or headset), calculator, radio, quick search, etc etc - so mine is often laying next to my pc and I tap it like that a lot.

But - because I do that I tend to roll with a case to not scratch the back or the camera, so the curvy back isn't an issue for me.
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I now find myself defending this phone against people who talk down about it.
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When the phone comes out that you think you want, you're going to get this and try it, return for the other if you don't like it.



Sorry - but that's my prediction for today.

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I now find myself defending this phone against people who talk down about it.
I see what you mean there. It is a great phone, it has a lot of great features. It is far more innovative than what the people at Cupertino are doing for sure. Is just that being married to Verizon, there is no advantage to getting the Moto X over any other phone especially the Droids. That was an unfortunate move by Motorola corporate, to offer ATT a sweetheart deal for customization, give everyone else the black and white phones for who knows how long, compete against their established Verizon exclusive phone, compete against mobile giants (SGS4, iPhone 5), and upcoming releases to the Verizon network (HTC One, iPhone 5s or its it 6 or even 5c, and the spec beast LG G2).

That was the disappointing part. It's not the phone that is bad, just bad corporate decisions that ruined it for me.
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The old saying goes..."money talks". All I have to say that this exclusivity stuff needs to stop. On a side note Verizon said that MotoMaker will be available later this year.
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The old saying goes..."money talks". All I have to say that this exclusivity stuff needs to stop. On a side note Verizon said that MotoMaker will be available later this year.
"SOON" - Verizon

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If any one on vz just can't wait. On eBay there's a vz prototype in white for sale for 799 or best offer. Looks a tad bit boogerd up though.


Just thought I'd let you guys know.
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Im interested in this Trim thing. Breadnatty recommended an app that alleges to do the same but like him, i dont know if its a placebo lol. Aparently the Trim in 4.3 it isnt a "fix" but more of a preventative measure so to get the benefit of it, youll have to wipe your device and start again
This is the app:
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I now find myself defending this phone against people who talk down about it.
I was a hater when I first saw it. Then I saw the benchmark test of it being faster than the S4 and I changed my tune. I still say if you're on VZW the Droid Mini is a great deal and the Maxx is better.

The Moto X did one thing for me. It convinced me to get the Droid Maxx and not the S4.
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I now find myself defending this phone against people who talk down about it.
Agreed, although I don't defend it (bc of my lack of authority on the matter)
The ONLY reason that holds me from ordering one at the moment is the initial offering price, both on contract and off - at least the speculative prices, that is.
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It's been my admittedly limited experience that retail prices decline VERY slowly... much more slowly than subsidized price.
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Sorry - but that's my prediction for today.

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All boot loaders unlockable except Verizon. Big shock there right?

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What exactly is a developer edition? And how does it differ? Sorry for the newbie question.
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Developer edition's come with the boot loader unlocked or it is able to be unlocked. They are sold for Verizon and AT&T at full price with no 2 year contract price.
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Welcome to the Forums, John!

Yep... a locked bootloader makes it far more difficult to root and ROM the phone, or even remove the bloatware that the carriers inevitably load up devices with. With an unlocked bootloader, you can literally do anything to the phone you want. Verizon, in particular, HATES that.

If I'm paying full retail for a phone (which I am), I consider it MINE and I should be able to do any doggone thing I want with it.
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What exactly is a developer edition? And how does it differ? Sorry for the newbie question.
So it looks as if I buy a Moto X or more likely the Droid Maxx, I will be saying goodbye to Android Forums. I won't be able to root or rom my phone so there will be no more need to come and discuss my phone? What fun is that?

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So it looks as if I buy a Moto X or more likely the Droid Maxx, I will be saying goodbye to Android Forums. I won't be able to root or rom my phone so there will be no more need to come and discuss my phone? What fun is that?

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Wow.

You must really be getting a great deal from Verizon.
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So it looks as if I buy a Moto X or more likely the Droid Maxx, I will be saying goodbye to Android Forums. I won't be able to root or rom my phone so there will be no more need to come and discuss my phone? What fun is that?

Life post root? What's that going to be like?
Well I have only rooted one of my phones, and I find plenty of things to talk about here at AF
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So it looks as if I buy a Moto X or more likely the Droid Maxx, I will be saying goodbye to Android Forums. I won't be able to root or rom my phone so there will be no more need to come and discuss my phone? What fun is that?

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You'll likely be able to root, though the process to do so will be tougher because of needing to use security holes instead of it being allowed.
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You must really be getting a great deal from Verizon.
Not a great deal but great reception.
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Ah. Understand completely, you gotta go with what works. I'm in the same boat in that sense.

Well, as mentioned above, with any luck an exploit will appear and you'll be in business. Hope so!
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Is that similar to how iPhones are jail broken? Using a security exploit rather than how Android is usually rooted?
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Is that similar to how iPhones are jail broken? Using a security exploit rather than how Android is usually rooted?
A lot of Androids are rooted using exploits - probably more than the other way around actually.
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Yep. Just look at the Verizon S4.

Don't worry. Someone will find a way. I'm thinking the Maxx and X will be popular phones that will get support.
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Not happy with what im hearing from initial reviews on the Moto X cam... this preview is comparing it to the HTC one cam which is hardly the best around and the Moto X didn't do so hot.

Sadness =(
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While they are very similar phones, the Droid Maxx is going to deliver what I'm looking for. Good looking. 5" display. Insane battery life. The Moto X seems to have more in common with the Droid Mini than the Maxx.

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I was just watching a comparison video of the Moto X on youtube and and it had it and an iphone 5. It is crazy that the X is close to the same size as the iphone 5, that is really something remarkable, considering it has a 4.7 inch screen vs the 4.0 inch screen.
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Not happy with what im hearing from initial reviews on the Moto X cam... this preview is comparing it to the HTC one cam which is hardly the best around and the Moto X didn't do so hot.

Sadness =(
Yea that's been said a few times in some of the reviews I've watched.

Namely the fact that the phone doesn't adjust to different light and just kind of shoots one way and one way only no matter what the lighting situation is.

That's a big one for me, ex....When taking a pic just tap on the lighter or darker point of the desired subject and that will dictate how light or dark the photo will be...Supposedly the X will not respond or adjust it's light intake. Bummer!
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For as long as I can remember, Motorola has never had great cameras, and it doesn't help that Google's camera software can't help them out because it's not great in itself.
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