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Old August 4th, 2013, 11:56 PM   #1301 (permalink)
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The One camera now isn't what it was during prerelease reviews.

Fair review for me would be with a proper app like Camera JB+.

If it's software, no big deal. But if it's not right with a proper camera app, that's another story.
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Wow, Moto X camera is pretty bad.
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I was kind of hoping Moto would improve that, the camera has always been by far the weakest part of Motorola's phones. My wife's RAZR M is really bad.
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Yeah, even my S3 is considerably better than the Gnex's camera. Only problem is, since I'm on an AOSP ROM, I don't get Samsung's optimization which is why their GPE phone (along with the One's), isn't as good either. As much as I want stock, I feel like HTC and Samsung are really doing some great things for their camera software while Google just wants it to be as simple and basic without any optimization.
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disappointing to hear negative reviews on the camera. I'm wondering if software might help it out.
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Hello all - time to read up on this phone as it may be my next.
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Ugh.

Just read more about the G2. And the more I read, the more I love it. 5.2" 1080p screen, microSD slot, Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, etc. What a dream machine.

So will I buy the Moto X for the novelty of using it hands-free? Or go with the higher-spec'd device that's more of the same that I have right now?

Ugh.
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Ugh.

Just read more about the G2. And the more I read, the more I love it. 5.2" 1080p screen, microSD slot, Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, etc. What a dream machine.

So will I buy the Moto X for the novelty of using it hands-free? Or go with the higher-spec'd device that's more of the same that I have right now?

Ugh.
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Really dissappointed to hear the Moto X camera is just as bad as Motorola's have always been. I read up on the "Clear Pixel" technology last night and was hopeful that would allow for better pictures...sadly Moto just doesn't know how to make a good camera. My OG Droid was awful. Like others have said as well...the stock Android camera does NOTHING to help either.

This complicates matters.
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How much bigger is the G2 body than the Galaxy Nexus? Have actual dimensions been revealed? I feel like the Galaxy Nexus is perfect size for me - not sure how much bigger I'd be willing to go.

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Ugh.

Just read more about the G2. And the more I read, the more I love it. 5.2" 1080p screen, microSD slot, Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, etc. What a dream machine.

So will I buy the Moto X for the novelty of using it hands-free? Or go with the higher-spec'd device that's more of the same that I have right now?

Ugh.

Where are you reading about it?
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I absolutely dislike the buttons being on the back of the G2.
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LG G2 manual leak reveals rear buttons, nano-SIM, microSD slot | Android Central

Between that and the info we already know ahead of Wednesday's big reveal, it's all going to come down to what do we want our phones to DO for us. That hands-free thing is still very attractive to me, as is the Moto Connect so I can check and respond to texts and emails straight from my computer without ever pulling the Moto X out.

But MAN, the G2! It's going to be a knock-down, drag out when these two devices go head to head. It'll come down to sheer functionality for me.
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Ugh.

Just read more about the G2. And the more I read, the more I love it. 5.2" 1080p screen, microSD slot, Snapdragon 800, 3GB RAM, etc. What a dream machine.

So will I buy the Moto X for the novelty of using it hands-free? Or go with the higher-spec'd device that's more of the same that I have right now?

Ugh.
Yea I keep hearing about it too. I have a buddy that has the Nexus and says the call quality is very good (that's paramount for me, a phone that actually works really good as a phone - crazy I know) that's why I have always loved Moto, great PHONES. I have never had an LG and the thing is gonna be huge, not a fan of that. I don't know. I am torn.

I do want quality build and phone, and enough power that I won't be behind the times in 6 months.

this year kinda sucks, no really "great" phones in the size range I am looking for. X is the closest I guess. Just need to see what "the word on the street" is after people actually get to use them.

Sad part is my HD is dying, which I don't hold against Moto near as much as I hold it against ATT.

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Wow, I was hoping this was one thing that would be improved. Having a 3 and 4 year old, having a decent camera for times I don't have my real camera with me is big.

I'm trying to like this phone but it's hard to ignore the phones already out and the ones coming.

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Wow, I was hoping this was one thing that would be improved. Having a 3 and 4 year old, having a decent camera for times I don't have my real camera with me is big.

I'm trying to like this phone but it's hard to ignore the phones already out and the ones coming.
Yea same here... I think that was the last straw for me. I might look into something like the HTC One since I like what they are doing with the large pixel tech and it actually seems to work.

its really sad when a 3-4 year old phone (Nokia N8/N9) has a better camera then many of todays high end smartphones. I'v been looking for something that could at least come close to the N8 for ages in a decent small-mid size, mid-high spec phone.
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Just an interesting read...

Why You Should Consider the Moto X [Opinion] – Droid Life
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Woodside says Moto X kicks you where it counts.


Motorola's Woodside Says Moto X Has Top Performance Where It Matters - Ina Fried - Mobile - AllThingsD
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I'm sold on the Moto X CPU, GPU, and contextual processor cores. I'm sold on their computing architecture as a way to save battery. Sold on the screen, RAM, even the 16GB storage is fine with me. The camera just might be a deal-breaker. I don't know yet. For me...It's not a HUGE deal, but if I'm not confident in it, I won't buy it for my wife because I don't want to hear constant complaints about the camera.
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He lost me when he stuck to the discredited nonsense that the specs suck and then invented in his mind why the performance must be good.
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Anyone else notice that anyone that has used an X raves about it and us forum / blog junkies are often panning it. I think EM posted earlier that this may be a device you need to try out to get a real feel for.
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The camera is going to be ehhhh at best! A lot of reviewers are saying its just ok but not on par with the ONE or S4, which means we'll be getting a newer phone with a camera that isn't as good as the phones that were released roughly 6 months ago.

To me it won't be a total deal breaker unless the camera is just god awful because I always have an iphone on me as well.
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You know this year seems to have flied by. In retrospect anyway.

I bring this up because I am wondering ...

IS IT END OF AUGUST OR EARLY SEPTEMBER YET???

I really want to play with this phone. I am experiencing flip flops worse than I can remember with any phone prior.

I was set on the Atrix before it hit, then I was just waiting for a worthy successor, ended up with the HD because I wanted basically the Atrix with LTE ... I just want someone to make it an easy decision for me.

And WHY oh WHY are they making the customizations exclusive to ATT? I am trying to escape the death star!
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I actually find that to be a little weird. Droid Life posted videos back when the new droids were announced, they dogged in for having a 720p screen and they were sure why they did that.

Now they say you don't need anything over 720p on a screen for the X. Why the 180? I agree you probably don't need anything over that but why change completely and hate on the droids when they are essentially the same thing?
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I actually find that to be a little weird. Droid Life posted videos back when the new droids were announced, they dogged in for having a 720p screen and they were sure why they did that.

Now they say you don't need anything over 720p on a screen for the X. Why the 180? I agree you probably don't need anything over that but why change completely and hate on the droids when they are essentially the same thing?
Agreed, definitely inconsistent to say the least.
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I actually find that to be a little weird. Droid Life posted videos back when the new droids were announced, they dogged in for having a 720p screen and they were sure why they did that.

Now they say you don't need anything over 720p on a screen for the X. Why the 180? I agree you probably don't need anything over that but why change completely and hate on the droids when they are essentially the same thing?
I think the difference is that with the Droids they were reviewing specs. With the X they sat and played with it for a day, learned about it, and used it, before they were able to open their yaps.

It seems they are actually reviewing the device itself instead of panning the specs.
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Perhaps, or it could be that since they and everyone else in the blogosphere spent the last half year drooling over this phone that they had to find some way to justify all of the puddles.
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Its probably a little both, I'm still disappointed by the price but I will be picking one up.
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I actually find that to be a little weird. Droid Life posted videos back when the new droids were announced, they dogged in for having a 720p screen and they were sure why they did that.

Now they say you don't need anything over 720p on a screen for the X. Why the 180? I agree you probably don't need anything over that but why change completely and hate on the droids when they are essentially the same thing?
Because the blogosphere runs with what they think they know first.

Got a buddy, IOWA, with an LTEvo, SGS3, SGS4 and better eyes than mine.

Comparing the two Pentile phones, the Sammies - big difference on the displayed resolution.

I had him compare the LTEvo to the SGS4 - the SGS4 had the vivid color he liked common to AMOLED - but was surprised. Hardly any noticeable difference on the actual visible resolution.

Why?

Because the LTEvo is 720p using RGB display technology.

That's 50% more subpixels than an SGS3 and even more subpixels than the SGS4.

PenTile is a trick - a really great trick, but a trick - that takes fewer subpixels in a way that your eye-brain sees more resolution.

RGB is more expensive and harder to do with AMOLED and employs no tricks. The X is the first to do it above 800x480.

It's what all color display technology has been based on, beginning with color television.

The difference between the LTEvo and the SGS3, both 4.7" 720p displays is obvious even with my eyes.

The flip-flop on how many dots you can see is the result of reviewers not understanding what PenTile is, how it works, and how it relates and compares to RGB.

If I look at half of the specs for the LTEvo and SGS3, I would think that they are both the same resolution.

If I look at the subpixel specs or use my eyes, I know that they are not the same resolution.

Not all 720p phones are the same.

The X is True 720p, not PenTile 720p or PenTile 1080p.

Big difference whenever you get into true HD displays.

Every time.

Hope this clarifies it.
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Because the blogosphere runs with what they think they know first.

Got a buddy, IOWA, with an LTEvo, SGS3, SGS4 and better eyes than mine.

Comparing the two Pentile phones, the Sammies - big difference on the displayed resolution.

I had him compare the LTEvo to the SGS4 - the SGS4 had the vivid color he liked common to AMOLED - but was surprised. Hardly any noticeable difference on the actual visible resolution.

Why?

Because the LTEvo is 720p using RGB display technology.

That's 50% more subpixels than an SGS3 and even more subpixels than the SGS4.

PenTile is a trick - a really great trick, but a trick - that takes fewer subpixels in a way that your eye-brain sees more resolution.

RGB is more expensive and harder to do with AMOLED and employs no tricks. The X is the first to do it above 800x480.

It's what all color display technology has been based on, beginning with color television.

The difference between the LTEvo and the SGS3, both 4.7" 720p displays is obvious even with my eyes.

The flip-flop on how many dots you can see is the result of reviewers not understanding what PenTile is, how it works, and how it relates and compares to RGB.

If I look at half of the specs for the LTEvo and SGS3, I would think that they are both the same resolution.

If I look at the subpixel specs or use my eyes, I know that they are not the same resolution.

Not all 720p phones are the same.

The X is True 720p, not PenTile 720p or PenTile 1080p.

Big difference whenever you get into true HD displays.

Every time.

Hope this clarifies it.

Well arent the new droids not pentile as well? I agree it makes a difference, I just love they posted a hands on video with the droids and dinged it for 720p regardless, then immediately fell in love with the display on the X.
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Its been a while since I've posted, around two years or so. I've had an iphone 4s for the last two years. I'm feeling like coming back to Android and was looking at the Moto X or HTC One.. I'll be eligible at the end of this month. Any suggestions? I really like the size of the X. My last Android phone was the HTC Incredible..
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Well arent the new droids not pentile as well? I agree it makes a difference, I just love they posted a hands on video with the droids and dinged it for 720p regardless, then immediately fell in love with the display on the X.
Correct, and that's my point about the blogosphere.

They'll say what they think they know.

Some people can't see once their minds are made up.

They look but they cannot see.

They're looking at superior display family, they're looking at a superior processor giving outstanding results and all that they can see is how to fit in a report before others that showcases opinion over facts to get advertising revenue on the page visits.

While I don't dispute they had these phones in their hands, eyes open and pointed at the phones -

Have they actually seen them?

I say not, I say they're only seeing the noise in their brains and listening to the voices in their heads.

Per usual.
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Its been a while since I've posted, around two years or so. I've had an iphone 4s for the last two years. I'm feeling like coming back to Android and was looking at the Moto X or HTC One.. I'll be eligible at the end of this month. Any suggestions? I really like the size of the X. My last Android phone was the HTC Incredible..
Welcome back to AF Willtrvl.

Sounds like you can't go wrong with either one.
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best sentence from that article

"Throw something like the mutant X8 into the mix and you're left with confused spec-freaks that don't know how to compare the length of their swords."

made me lol
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Welcome back, Willtrvl! Great to have you here again

I'm still leaning toward the X. When comparing the two, keep in mind it's the same size screen but the X has a smaller form factor. The One has stereo speakers up front, but the X is apparently louder (I use a BT headset anyway).

The only way you'll really know is the same way we'll really know: go to the store and play. Price and specs aside, I'm still leaning towards the X even though other phones look incredibly attractive to me.
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The X is louder than the One?

I'm behind on some of the videos here...
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The X is louder than the One?

I'm behind on some of the videos here...

yea stuffs coming in pretty fast


It might be worth updating the first post to include the confirmed specs and maybe a couple of the reviews etc. Just so people coming here for the first time dont have to sift through 55 pages of info.
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Sigh. It really is the the lack of wireless charging for me, though it sounds like the camera could be a bit better. I can't bring myself to pay more then I wanted for less then I wanted. Here's hoping the bring out a "Maxx" version with bigger battery and wireless since this is the "Ultra" version.
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The verge gave the x a 6 for display. What do you wanna bet iphone 5s get a 9?

Moto X review | The Verge
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yea stuffs coming in pretty fast


It might be worth updating the first post to include the confirmed specs and maybe a couple of the reviews etc. Just so people coming here for the first time dont have to sift through 55 pages of info.
Good idea.

Better to make a proper specs thread.

Will get to both in a bit.
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The verge gave the x a 6 for display. What do you wanna bet iphone 5s get a 9?

Moto X review | The Verge
Pretty different tune between Engadget and the Verge on battery life. Engadget seemed very happy with it while The Verge quoted 15 hours (their use) battery life. Interested to see some more tests done on that front.
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yea stuffs coming in pretty fast


It might be worth updating the first post to include the confirmed specs and maybe a couple of the reviews etc. Just so people coming here for the first time dont have to sift through 55 pages of info.
Working on that right now
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Well word is that this is the first release in a new "family" of phones, there will be higher end X phones, and lower priced X phones. I don't recall where I read it but Woodside also was quoted in the last couple days saying there is still a lot of work to be done.

So just hang tight if you're in no rush.

Or take advantage of the awesome deals all the carriers are offering now allowing you to upgrade anytime.

I am STILL on the fence.
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Pretty different tune between Engadget and the Verge on battery life. Engadget seemed very happy with it while The Verge quoted 15 hours (their use) battery life. Interested to see some more tests done on that front.
15 hours is still really good. Some might use it more. Phone arena quoted 8 hours, starting to think some dont even review it.
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15 hours is still really good. Some might use it more. Phone arena quoted 8 hours, starting to think some dont even review it.

maybe they were gaming or running benchmarks the whole 8 hours

also i wonder if they were at the limits of the radio range which might have affected the battery life... to many variables between these articles. probably best to wait for AnandTech to come out with a real review before forming any definite opinions, I don't put a lot of faith in all these pop up tech blogs.

Also I would love it if these tech blogs would actually put a real camera test on rather then just comparing phone cams to other smartphones, I mean thats fine and all but they should really be using a good DSLR to benchmark them so we have a stable point to compare from.
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15 hours is still really good. Some might use it more. Phone arena quoted 8 hours, starting to think some dont even review it.
From Engadget -

"It's sad, but I am that person at dinner or drinks who's always staring at his phone. And that sort of behavior nets you a 28 percent charge on the Moto X after one day, two hours, 12 minutes and three seconds without battery saver enabled. That result bests even Motorola's own conservative claim of 24-hour battery life. Under the strain of Engadget's formal battery rundown protocol, in which an HD video plays on a loop, the Moto X's 2,200mAh cell lasted 11 hours and 15 minutes. Clap your hands, people. This is the battery life you didn't know you were missing."

Engadget's prediction on my LTEvo, especially for screen-on time, was very close to my experience. I'm inclined to trust them again in this case.
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