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Old August 7th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #1451 (permalink)
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I'd really like to ditch the Samdung GNex and get on with something new ASAP. Really on its last legs - microphone doesn't even work (I know right, who needs a phone that makes calls?). Even considering switching back to my Droid X.

Only a few more weeks I guess...

Honestly the 16 / 32 gb thing doesn't bother me in the slightest. Not for a phone anyway. I don't think I've ever used microSD expansion or a ton of storage space. Nor do I watch movies or game on my phone. But to each their own, maybe I'm the odd man out.

The customization thing.. eh that kinda bugs me. Kind of a lot, especially needing a new device pronto! I get where they (Moto & ATT) are coming from with regard to exclusivity. But how many people are really switching carriers these days? Is it more than I'm thinking? Can they dangle a big enough carrot to make someone switch from Company A to Company B? For me, if I get a good price break from work on Company A, well that's what I'm using. A number of friends and family of mine.. if a carrier is the only one with decent coverage in their area, well, no choice there! Maybe it's different in the really big metro areas.

Long story short the various exclusivity deals do more to aggravate me than to motivate me to switch from A to B, especially now with SO many devices being so close on specs or performance.

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I just left a VZW store gEEk and had damn near the identical response from the manager. Moto sucks, here's a nice S4 for you. Moto's are junk with poor signal, interpreted by me as "my commision is way higher on Samsung devices."
just for clarity (I work at verizon as a sales rep) our commisions are the exact same for ALL phones... the way the system works is its either a smartphone or a basic phone.

now with that said, we have TONS of reps who are only comfortable selling what they know and wont even discuss with a customer anything else. i have 2 guys in the store that i work in who either point to iPhones or the galaxy s4 because they lack knowledge entirely on any other android phone so don't know how to pitch it or recommend it for a customers needs.

all you have experienced in that situation is a lazy rep who doesn't want to do homework and learn about our products.

I am sorry for your experience :P
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I'd really like to ditch the Samdung GNex and get on with something new ASAP. Really on its last legs - microphone doesn't even work (I know right, who needs a phone that makes calls?). Even considering switching back to my Droid X.

Only a few more weeks I guess...

Honestly the 16 / 32 gb thing doesn't bother me in the slightest. Not for a phone anyway. I don't think I've ever used microSD expansion or a ton of storage space. Nor do I watch movies or game on my phone. But to each their own, maybe I'm the odd man out.

The customization thing.. eh that kinda bugs me. Kind of a lot, especially needing a new device pronto! I get where they (Moto & ATT) are coming from with regard to exclusivity. But how many people are really switching carriers these days? Is it more than I'm thinking? Can they dangle a big enough carrot to make someone switch from Company A to Company B? For me, if I get a good price break from work on Company A, well that's what I'm using. A number of friends and family of mine.. if a carrier is the only one with decent coverage in their area, well, no choice there! Maybe it's different in the really big metro areas.

Long story short the various exclusivity deals do more to aggravate me than to motivate me to switch from A to B, especially now with SO many devices being so close on specs or performance.
churn is actually rising from where it used to be. the market used to be a customers walks into a store, buys a nokia that will never break and is happy with it for 5+ years until they eventually find a way to break it.

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I'm confused on some of the terminology here - MCM, SoC. What is the difference between these two? I have a fair idea of what an SoC is, but how is an MCM different from a SoC?
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He managed to take a jab at Samsung in just about every answer
Lol I hope my gnex doesn't take offense. Its gotta hold out a bit longer.
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I'm confused on some of the terminology here - MCM, SoC. What is the difference between these two? I have a fair idea of what an SoC is, but how is an MCM different from a SoC?
Usually, one thinks of those black things on a motherboard when chips come up.

Those are packages.

They usually contain one chip, an integrated circuit cut off a wafer during semiconductor manufacturing.

An MCM is a multi chip module - a package containing more than one chip.

Usually, your ram and eMMC storage ("rom" ) are contained in a single MCM rather than two separate packages, for example.

An SoC - system on (a) chip - is like taking a slice of a motherboard with many chips and building it on to one big chip. Typical SoC packages include the processor or the collection of radio gear.

The X8 appears to be an MCM containing a processor SoC and two other processing chips, all in one package - based on statements made by Motorola. We'll know for sure when we see a proper teardown, but I'm betting on it being what I described.
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For us AT&T customers do your think they will launch Moto Maker 4 days before launch so we can take delivery on launch day? I am going standard colorwise but need 32.

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just for clarity (I work at verizon as a sales rep) our commisions are the exact same for ALL phones... the way the system works is its either a smartphone or a basic phone.

now with that said, we have TONS of reps who are only comfortable selling what they know and wont even discuss with a customer anything else. i have 2 guys in the store that i work in who either point to iPhones or the galaxy s4 because they lack knowledge entirely on any other android phone so don't know how to pitch it or recommend it for a customers needs.

all you have experienced in that situation is a lazy rep who doesn't want to do homework and learn about our products.

I am sorry for your experience :P
Well said Covert, and I shouldn't lump all VZW reps together based on my experience. It's sad that VZW as an organization (probably all phone retailers) don't try harder to train reps to overcome the impression of bias. It is just poor customer service.
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For us AT&T customers do your think they will launch Moto Maker 4 days before launch so we can take delivery on launch day? I am going standard colorwise but need 32.

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Pretty sure I saw a Maroon backing color in the press shots...I'll be going Maroon and White
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Pretty sure I saw a Maroon backing color in the press shots...I'll be going Maroon and White
I'll probably be going Maroon and Black but that's really only because i prefer darker phones. I really should be going for Maroon and White as well.

Although we'll probably be told it's Burgundy, wine red, dark red or some such other dark red color. They all are the same I'm convinced.
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Are you guys Verizon or ATT? How many of you will be waiting until November so that you can customize your phone?
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I am on Verizon and I will wait. As I understand, the 32GB is only available in MotoMaker, which won't be up for Verizon until November. And I NEED 32GB.
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I've had a cell phone with Cingular->AT&T since the end of high school. I really don't care about the customizability but i figure i may as well take advantage of it because i can.
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Chief, you are confusing me! I thought you moved on to the G2!
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I'm on Verizon, but due to poor coverage we are switching to AT&T.
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Chief, you are confusing me! I thought you moved on to the G2!
Okay, Halon, let me un-confuse you:

After careful consideration of specs vs. functionality, the Moto X simply wins. Hands down. Thank you for posting this in the GNWH:

Top Motorola engineer defends Moto X specs (Q&A) | Mobile - CNET News

It didn't convince me to come back to the X; I had already decided that. But it DOES reinforce and confirm WHY I came to my decision.

So no G2 for me. As much as I like it, I personally believe that the X will fare me better in the long run for what I want it to do. And I will wait to get the X I want, in the capacity I want and the external customization I want.

And I shall be happy
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Good article.

Wish he'd said more about the 32 GB copy, but we'll have to wait.

The S4 is not from last year, additional low power cores are used to expand the user experience rather than use a quad and take more power, the display is not PenTile so it's true 720p, and motherboard customizations can't happen without considering radio performance.

I thought that the part where they opened dozens of web pages and didn't go beyond the need for 2 cores was interesting.

The explanation why it's running 4.2.2 was excellent.
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I've been lurking in this thread for a while now but I wanted to just chime in that I really appreciated that CNET interview article. I bought the GNex the day it came out on Verizon several years ago, so I am under contract until then, so I can wait for customizations to come to the masses.

Im curious about switching to T-Mobile. I'm hoping I can buy this phone off contract and try it out on T-Mobile, and maybe swap in an ATT SIM if T-Mobile turns into T-Maybe. Will that work with this phone? Will I be limiting myself from an LTE/HSPA+ aspect doing that? The radio compatibility stuff can be pretty confusing for me.

I really wish the phone supported XI charging. I was hoping my next phone would have that. That said, this seems like a really exciting phone to me. I want to hold it in my hands so bad. I'm trying not to get too excited though. 2 years ago I was getting excited about the Bionic at this time...
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For us AT&T customers do your think they will launch Moto Maker 4 days before launch so we can take delivery on launch day? I am going standard colorwise but need 32.

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Great question. I really hope they do.
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It just needs to be the first iPhone of the Android world, and here is why it delivers on that.
Ooooooooooooookay.

He did seem to like it while hating Android though.
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I bought the GNex the day it came out on Verizon several years ago, so I am under contract until then, so I can wait for customizations to come to the masses...
If you are a day one GNexxer your early upgrade date should be 8/15.
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Moto X on VZW on 8/23.

Verizon release schedule: Droid Ultra/Maxx coming August 20, Droid Mini, HTC One and more August 29 - VR-Zone
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Yeah, my current plan is to jump ship though. I plan on closing out my Verizon account and try another carrier for the first time since Suncom in 2004.

I may have some overlap and have 2 phones for a while. I'm hoping if I get an unsubsidized phone and use it on T-Mobile, if it doesn't work out I can try it on AT&T or sell it on eBay and go crawling back to VZW.
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Actually today is the day Gnexers can get their early upgrade. All you have to do us call a Verizon CSR and ask them to move your date to today. They will do this within one week of your early upgrade date.

Doesn't really help me because the Maxx isn't out until the 20th. But I can Pre-order now.
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I will confirm this as someone who got their GNexus on launch day and just checked my Verizon. You can easily check your upgrade date through the MyVZW website.

Getting more excited for a new phone everyday.
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Gnex alum and I just checked and I have two upgrades available. Question, I have two phones with both lines available for upgrade. One line is unlimited and the other is not. Could I upgrade the limited line and switch the phone over to the unlimited and later transfer the unlimited line update at a later date to the limited line. I'm on Verizon, I hope that made sense.
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Gnex alum and I just checked and I have two upgrades available. Question, I have two phones with both lines available for upgrade. One line is unlimited and the other is not. Could I upgrade the limited line and switch the phone over to the unlimited and later transfer the unlimited line update at a later date to the limited line. I'm on Verizon, I hope that made sense.
IIRC VZW shut that down. I think you are limited to using upgrades on the line that is eligible, and can no longer play around with them.
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If you're getting one of the standard colors, I'd assume you can just get the 32 at the att store, couldn't you?
I thought Moto Maker was only for color customizations.
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If you're getting one of the standard colors, I'd assume you can just get the 32 at the att store, couldn't you?
I thought Moto Maker was only for color customizations.
Moto maker let's you change the storage which is why att exclusive 32 is timed until moto Maker for every one
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IIRC VZW shut that down. I think you are limited to using upgrades on the line that is eligible, and can no longer play around with them.
I don't believe that you are correct on this one. I spent a portion of my day today talking with both online VZW CSR and on phone with them. I received the same answer from both. I can move my upgrade to my tiered data line then move it back after the upgrade keeping my unlimited data.

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ONLINE CHAT WITH VZW CSR
You are now chatting with 'Miranda'
Jeff: I have an upgrade coming up soon (8/15) am I able to transfer that upgrade to another line (my son's line) and use it there?
Miranda: Hi! My name is Miranda with the Verizon Wireless Sales Team. I am available to answer your questions and help you place an order. May I have your name, please?
Miranda: You sure can transfer upgrade.
Jeff: Awesome! Does it matter that my line has grandfathered unlimited data and his is a 2GB plan?
Miranda: If you upgrade the line that has unlimited data you will lose that feature.
Jeff: I understand but if I do not upgrade it, and I transfer my upgrade to my son's 2GB line I don't lose it correct?
Miranda: Yes.
Jeff: Thank you! Have a great night!
Miranda: You are welcome, is there anything else I can assist you with?
Jeff: In one week the answer will be yes, but tonight it has to be not yet. I have to wait until 8/15
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Would that work the other way around? Say if the 2GB plan had an upgrade available to just transfer to the unlimited.. would the unlimited plan still stay unlimited? Then again, I doubt it as anyone an on unlimited likely has an upgrade available.
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IIRC VZW shut that down. I think you are limited to using upgrades on the line that is eligible, and can no longer play around with them.
no. we still swap upgrades all the time. i probably do it 3-4 times a day, its built directly into our PoS (point of sale) system and i don't see that feature going anywhere anytime soon.

as for the unlimited data part, yes even if you use an upgrade from another line you are getting a subsidized price on THAT number so the SYSTEM makes us choose a data package during checkout...

NOW the EASY way around that is to just use the upgrade on the line the upgrade is for and then do a device swap... put the original phone that was on the line with the upgrade BACK on that line and then swap the new phone to the line with unlimited data and it will be considered CPE (customer provided equipment) at that point and will NOT force us to change the data... but if anyone asks you didn't hear that from me
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no. we still swap upgrades all the time. i probably do it 3-4 times a day, its built directly into our PoS (point of sale) system and i don't see that feature going anywhere anytime soon.

as for the unlimited data part, yes even if you use an upgrade from another line you are getting a subsidized price on THAT number so the SYSTEM makes us choose a data package during checkout...

NOW the EASY way around that is to just use the upgrade on the line the upgrade is for and then do a device swap... put the original phone that was on the line with the upgrade BACK on that line and then swap the new phone to the line with unlimited data and it will be considered CPE (customer provided equipment) at that point and will NOT force us to change the data... but if anyone asks you didn't hear that from me
Are you talking in store? I transferred the upgrade from one line to another and did that little swap-a-roo, and it only extended the contract date to the line the upgrade was transferred to. Now, I just did this a month ago. Can I transfer another upgrade to that line?
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Okay, Halon, let me un-confuse you:

After careful consideration of specs vs. functionality, the Moto X simply wins. Hands down. Thank you for posting this in the GNWH:

Top Motorola engineer defends Moto X specs (Q&A) | Mobile - CNET News

It didn't convince me to come back to the X; I had already decided that. But it DOES reinforce and confirm WHY I came to my decision.

So no G2 for me. As much as I like it, I personally believe that the X will fare me better in the long run for what I want it to do. And I will wait to get the X I want, in the capacity I want and the external customization I want.

And I shall be happy

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I think the X will turn into the Fiancee and my Christmas present. Off contract, hopefully the dev community can do wonders with the locked bootloader between now and then.
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Are you talking in store? I transferred the upgrade from one line to another and did that little swap-a-roo, and it only extended the contract date to the line the upgrade was transferred to. Now, I just did this a month ago. Can I transfer another upgrade to that line?
when you do a upgrade transfer, the line that actually HAD the upgrade available is the line that has the contract renewed for 2 full years. the line receiving the device stays on the initial contract length.

you can transfer upgrades as frequently as you want as long as you have upgrades available, again because the line that actually is eligible for upgrade is the line the contract is extended on... not the line receiving the hardware.

but if an upgrade is used AT ALL in the process, EITHER recieving or sending the update the SYSTEM forces us pick a data package...

HOWEVER if you use the method above that i suggested you will atleast keep unlimited data on the line you want to have the device on... you just have to fully check out on the other line first and then do a device swap.
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Google Chairman hints that Moto X will be a smartphone for the middle classes and so do tech enthousiasts that that see the phone lagging in CPU and display specs. However, Motorola CEO and engineers defend Moto X as a high end phone that focuses on total user experience with new software features rather than aiming at satisfying the spec nerds.

Any views on that??
im going to defend it as a high end phone...

720p NONpentile is just as good as 1080p pentile displays... its a trade off and they are truly equal once you compare the pros and cons.

the CPU is still a monster CPU, yes its 2013 and smartphones are getting faster and faster but the GPU is really the only thing that is being used intensely now a days on smartphones and the GPU on the X8 is top notch. the Dual core CPU is also nothing to snuff at just because it is a dual core.

ontop of those two big comparisons, the software is an enthusiasts dream... there is no other phone out there that even COMPARES to what moto has done software wise with the Moto X... hands down no competition there.

to me it is a clear high end phone, when you add superior build quality and made in the USA on top of that, thats just icing on the cake to an already amazing phone.
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Well, I'm glad o be wrong on the upgrade.
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Missed post 1455?
Yep, sorry!

You know, the Amiga computer in the early 90s was way ahead of its time. It had a series of chips (named, of course) that did dedicated tasks: Fat Agnus was the main processor, followed by Denise the graphics processor, Paula the sound processor, and some smaller, ancillary chips. The co-processors handled most of the dirty work, while the main processor kind of waited for something else to do. It allowed the Amiga to run rings around anything else out there. I was running multiple apps, in multiple windows, all simultaneously on the screen... and Windows 3.1 / 95 were playing catch-up for years.

The only - ONLY - reason Amiga failed was because Commodore didn't market it correctly at all. And it was to their peril.

I see the Moto X as the Amiga of smartphones. It does what other phones can't do, and won't do... and does it without the high-powered specs because of the X8 chipset assisting the S4 Pro main processor.

Unlike Amiga, however, I think Google/Motorola are going to market this one correctly. Appeal to the mass market on what's in it for THEM, and they will throw money at it. It's brilliant, and I'm one in a sea of excited souls waiting for this device.

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It does what other phones can't do, and won't do... and does it without the high-powered specs because of the X8 chipset assisting the S4 Pro main processor.
So much this. I didn't expect that "always listening" tech to come for years, until battery tech developed to the point that it was able to handle it. Moto worked it from the other end and we have it today. Or well. The 20th/23rd
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Chief, the X has one thing going for it the Amiga didn't. An existing, huge library of software. IIRC Amiga needed compatible apps as PC / Tandy / Apple weren't compatible at the time.
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Chief, the X has one thing going for it the Amiga didn't. An existing, huge library of software. IIRC Amiga needed compatible apps as PC / Tandy / Apple weren't compatible at the time.
You are correct: AmigaDos was a proprietary OS and software like Word Perfect, CorelDraw and others had to be specifically written for it. Google Play has hundreds of thousands of compatible apps for the X already... making it a no-brainer.

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Why rumor mill, why will you not let me make an easy decision, why?

Motorola will make a Nexus device along with Moto X Google Play edition [RUMOR]
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Why rumor mill, why will you not let me make an easy decision, why?

Motorola will make a Nexus device along with Moto X Google Play edition [RUMOR]
I don't really understand this... Why would they make a Nexus AND Moto X GPE?
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I don't really understand this... Why would they make a Nexus AND Moto X GPE?
A Nexus device set the hardware standard for the platform while a GPE is just an off the shelf method of purchasing a device. Is it T-Mo that isn't going to sell the X directly? Here is where it can be had for them.

And I'm not speaking from any position of knowledge, just speculating based no the rumor I linked.
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The two GPE phones remove most but not all vendor add-ons and generally maintain the price points.

From a software pov, the X acts like a GPE phone right out of the box and they've already said that it will be unlockable or have a dev edition, depending on species.

I see no point in them offering an X GPE so I don't think that they will - unless I'm missing something.
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GPE phones are still closed source as well. The S4, for example, still has a lot of Touchwiz built in and Samsung doesn't release source.
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Why rumor mill, why will you not let me make an easy decision, why?

Motorola will make a Nexus device along with Moto X Google Play edition [RUMOR]
I hope this is untrue...at least for VZW. It'll make me feel like less of a fool for pulling the trigger on the Moto X.
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