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Old August 9th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #1501 (permalink)
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GPE phones are still closed source as well. The S4, for example, still has a lot of Touchwiz built in and Samsung doesn't release source.
The One GPE is the same way.

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I heard rumors that an Xperia Z Google play phone might be on the way. I wonder if that one will be more open source since Sony seems to be more friendly to it than other OEM's are.
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The two GPE phones remove most but not all vendor add-ons and generally maintain the price points.

From a software pov, the X acts like a GPE phone right out of the box and they've already said that it will be unlockable or have a dev edition, depending on species.

I see no point in them offering an X GPE so I don't think that they will - unless I'm missing something.
Apparently they already confirmed they would have a GPE version of the X, maybe it will just be an unlockable bootloader for AT&T?
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Apparently they already confirmed they would have a GPE version of the X, maybe it will just be an unlockable bootloader for AT&T?
I missed that was confirmed - still weird, unless it has to do with the international GSM market as well as hitting the note for ATT.

Thought sure I'd read that the dev X would appear for VZW and ATT though - and that would be unlocked.

It's a confusing day for me.
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I really want this phone but after my DNA I don't want to live without wireless charging. Is it confirmed that it won't have it?
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I really want this phone but after my DNA I don't want to live without wireless charging. Is it confirmed that it won't have it?
that and battery life are the one reason i still am looking out of the corner of my eye at the droid Maxx.....
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I missed that was confirmed - still weird, unless it has to do with the international GSM market as well as hitting the note for ATT.

Thought sure I'd read that the dev X would appear for VZW and ATT though - and that would be unlocked.

It's a confusing day for me.
Yeah that had supposedly been confirmed too. Still not sure why they need the gpe but they said it was coming.
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When I watched his show it sounded to me like he was just repeating second or third hand information he had been told, not necessarily information that he knew was correct.
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I heard rumors that an Xperia Z Google play phone might be on the way. I wonder if that one will be more open source since Sony seems to be more friendly to it than other OEM's are.
I really hope sony do that. I have a lot of love for sony phones and yeah theyve always been good at pushing their stuff back upstream *still dreaming of a waterproof sony nexus with amoled display*
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I've yet to find any proper references to this beyond "sources say," usually when it's real sources inside the company are cited -

A 'Google Play' version of the Moto X is coming soon | The Verge

Someone who thinks as I do -

Why the Moto X Google Play edition doesn't make sense

Date unavailable, price unavailable. I suppose it could happen. Might help T-Mo customers if they don't have it by then.

And the mfg cost keeps changing - and I'm not sure that anyone outside of Motorola accounting knows that figure either.
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A Developer Edition with none of the features intact would make for a pretty dull X, IMO. And if it comes with all the X features, what are you going to do? Root & ROM it? Then you lose the features! No, something tells me to just personalize my Verizon X, pay full retail, and not wait for the Developer Edition. It just wouldn't make sense to me to do so.
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I'll take 3 gig ram, faster octacore processor, more. pixels. I'm goofy that way. One thing I do agree with. You'll get better battery life. If that is the be all end all no question Moto is king... as long as you never want to change the battery. I have a Motorola phone now. I don't hate Motorola. I would prefer the inferior hardware in the Note 3.
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Have fun with that. My Galaxy Nexus has 1 GB RAM, and has YET to run low. It has taken everything I've ever thrown at it with rare good grace. So what would 2 or even 3 GB RAM do for me? Sit there and be impressive, I suppose...

As far as octacore processor, the Moto X actually HAS 8 processors in the X8 chipset. Some are dedicated to a specific function, some low-power, some not. And Moto engineers stress-tested a quad-core processor and could never get more than 2 to light up: so what will an octa-core processor do for me? Sit there and be impressive, I suppose...

Not to slam or attack you, but I'm not seeing a reason to chase specs anymore. I personally believe it's time to chase functionality. Samsung is a great device... and they're really good at throwing bells & whistles in their phones; but I've found that half those things aren't really useful in everyday life. The Moto X, on the other hand, has functionality that I will use every day. Multiple times a day.

The Note 3 will be very capable. But I'm sold on the X
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I dont think theres any need to chase specs yet until the software devs catch up but specs give you futureproofness (new word)
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A Developer Edition with none of the features intact would make for a pretty dull X, IMO. And if it comes with all the X features, what are you going to do? Root & ROM it? Then you lose the features! No, something tells me to just personalize my Verizon X, pay full retail, and not wait for the Developer Edition. It just wouldn't make sense to me to do so.
A Developer Edition is the stock phone with the bootloader unlocked.

Lots of advantages to rooting and leaving the rom alone.
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A Developer Edition is the stock phone with the bootloader unlocked.

Lots of advantages to rooting and leaving the rom alone.
I certainly agree! But if the Dev Edition is pure vanilla Android without the software features, I'll have zero interest in it. That's what I was trying to articulate
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Wish it was cheaper off contract.
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I would seriously consider one if they were priced like the Nexus 4
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As do I. But I will take the plunge and find myself using T-Mobile if it means I can have it

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I certainly agree! But if the Dev Edition is pure vanilla Android without the software features, I'll have zero interest in it. That's what I was trying to articulate
That's a GPE or a Nexus, not a Developer Edition.
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I noticed a lot of reviewers are saying the Moto X camera seems to lack contrast and sharpness... I wonder if thats something that could be fixed with a custom camera app or possibly a firmware update from Motorola.
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I noticed a lot of reviewers are saying the Moto X camera seems to lack contrast and sharpness... I wonder if thats something that could be fixed with a custom camera app or possibly a firmware update from Motorola.
im sure it can... its their first got at this ULTRA pixel camera so i assume they will even release an update that will help it be better... its still on par with iPhone 5 camera shots so i will be happy with that for a phone camera
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That's a GPE or a Nexus, not a Developer Edition.
Yeah i think one of the carriers did a Developer Edition sgs3 and it had all the features, just an unlocked bootloader (ive never experienced a locked bootloader nor do i pretend to understand what it really means lol). I dont understand why ANY device has a locked one.. seems insane
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Developer Edition = Unlocked Bootloader, everything else is the same as the locked bootloader model.
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I really want this phone. The camera.. please let there be some type of software update for it.
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Yeah i think one of the carriers did a Developer Edition sgs3 and it had all the features, just an unlocked bootloader (ive never experienced a locked bootloader nor do i pretend to understand what it really means lol). I dont understand why ANY device has a locked one.. seems insane
The bootloader tells the phone what to do when it first starts up (computers are really stupid things with no idea what they even are until they're told). By locking the bootloader, carriers make sure that the phone does what THEY want it to do, instead of allowing us to root and install a ROM (custom operating system) and letting the phone do what WE want it to do.

There are ways around a locked bootloader (i.e., bootstrap programs) but an unlocked phone is always better. And that's a very simplified version but I hope it helps

Sure if the Dev edition comes with all the bells and whistles but just unlocked, I'm all over it
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Be prepared to be all over it.

Dev Editions from Motorola, Samsung and HTC have always been exactly that way before.
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On BestBuy website for $699.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto-X-smartphone-appears-on-the-Best-Buy-site_id46273
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A Developer Edition with none of the features intact would make for a pretty dull X, IMO. And if it comes with all the X features, what are you going to do? Root & ROM it? Then you lose the features! No, something tells me to just personalize my Verizon X, pay full retail, and not wait for the Developer Edition. It just wouldn't make sense to me to do so.
I agree! I'm not going to spend upwards of $600 for a phone like the X without all these features we are seeing in all the reviews...No Wayyy!

I already tried that with both the GPE of the GS4 and ONE and ended up sending them both back! Yes vanilla Android is very nice and slick looking, but with those 2 GPE phones you loose alot of the stuff the phones were known for, yes some of it was gimmicky, but some was still cool and very useful.

And the X looks to have just about 90% of useful features without being gimmicky. I think I'm just going to go with a custom at&t X from moto maker and call it a day! It looks to be as stock as one could really get directly from a carrier anyway, the UI looks pretty stock looking IMO. That's good enough for me right now until maybe the Nexus 5 comes out and knocks my socks off, otherwise I'll make due with the X until something newer and fresher comes out either before or after the holidays....Moto Nexus anyone???
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How long do manufacturers take to officially announce the off-contract price of a phone?
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We should know the price by know. I've been wondering if they're thinking of lower than the normal price?
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I highly doubt it. Would Verizon bloat up a phone with their own garbage, then sell the same phone bloat-free cheaper? We're talking VERIZON here
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Old August 12th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #1538 (permalink)
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http://http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/12/from-a-sales-perspective-how-verizon-looks-at-the-new-droids-vs-the-moto-x/
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Wow... I wonder if VZW will put in any equal effort in selling the X if the features are that much different.
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Pretty clear from that graphic what they intend on selling the most of.
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haha yea i saw that graphic the other day at work it made me lol... i mean its accurate but missing some pro's for the X so obviously biased... ill be selling the maxx for the battery life but the moto X over the Ultra and then the mini for the cheaper / smaller phone.

the X beats the ultra in almost every scenario in my book and will be the same price so that will be my push as a salesman when it comes to the two of those phones
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Point proven: sometimes the most heavily marketed phone in the store isn't necessarily the BEST phone in the store
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Wow, pretty awful that VZW is going to market Command Center nd Zap as selling points.

Is the Moto X the only moto phone that gives you 50 gb free google drive space for 2 years? If so, its very typical of VZW to not put that on their comparison.

Wireless charging would have been nice on the X though.
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What the hell is Zap and Command Center. Time to look that up.

Well, I've narrowed my phone choices to either the X, Maxx, or Galaxy Note 3 ... 3 vastly different phones. The X's marketing hype is working on me with custom colors & 32GB that I'm willing to wait for on big red, but realistically, it'll either be the Max (with it's battery life, bigger screen, wireless charging) or the GN3 (even bigger, probably does all the things that the GS4 can do, assumed better camera since Motorola needs to figure out their software with their's).
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Well, this would be how not to do a press event.

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Someone should have practiced shooting balloons before the event.

Very doubtful this would happen, but I'd like to be able to pre-order my VZW Moto X from Moto Maker when the phone is released. Moto can hold the pre-order until AT&T exclusivity ends and build my phone and ship at that time.

Will the dev edition phones be available through the Moto Maker site?
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yea that chart is such B.S. Doesn't even mention battery life and storage limits. That's pretty much the only real life experience the user will actually notice. Maybe the unibody design too, i've read in the X reviews it has big seams between the back and the front plastics. But the other things they are trying to differentiate on (ingress, zap, command center) are just pure marketing gimmicks!
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yea that chart is such B.S. Doesn't even mention battery life and storage limits. That's pretty much the only real life experience the user will actually notice. Maybe the unibody design too, i've read in the X reviews it has big seams between the back and the front plastics. But the other things they are trying to differentiate on (ingress, zap, command center) are just pure marketing gimmicks!

I wish the x had command center, according to droid life they said it was the moto circle widget from the past or at least a part of it. That widget functioned very well and so awesome.
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