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Old June 17th, 2011, 09:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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am i the only one that cant wait for this phone? i check the website about every 15 minuntes to see if there is an update on the realease date . I was very interesed in the EVO 3d ( i need the latest and greatest) until i seen this announced. I have the EVO now and i dont have a need for 3d ( very gimmicky). am i alone here?

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i Am excited for it. But i think checking every 15 min is a bit too excited lol
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LOL...I'm excited, but until the EVO 3D is actually released, I don't know if it will generate too much hype compared to that phone.
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Evo3D is sucking up all the enthusiasm, as is the prospect of the Galaxy S2.

The Photon will probably get more buzz as launch day gets closer and people start seeing the benefits.

As for Samsung, unless it comes out as a Nexus3, I'll pass.
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And to a certain extent, I kinda like the fact that there's less hype behind the photon. Even though there'll likely be a lot more activity with regards to the EVO 3D, I've learned enough about Android that cross-posting in different forums is something that I'm not opposed to doing.

Ultimately, right now, the Photon looks to be more of the ideal phone for my needs personally. It's even being advertised for folks like me ("A perfect blend of business and entertainment"). How perfect is that? I guess it has double meaning for me because the entire statement is one in the same, as far as my situation is concerned.

And I'm even more happy about the fact that it'll have Microsoft office compatibility for me to be able to open office attachments and edit! That's ideal for business and something that I wasn't worth paying for an app on the EVO.
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I was going to get an evo 3d but after seeing the reviews being less than stellar I think I'm going to hold off and see what the photon has to offer. How do moto phones stack up to HTC? the evo is my first HTC phone and I love it but would like something that can run a bit faster and has a higher res screen.
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I'm actually getting excited about this phone. I love the dock and webtop looks interesting. I'm coming from a Palm Pre.
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And I'm even more happy about the fact that it'll have Microsoft office compatibility for me to be able to open office attachments and edit! That's ideal for business and something that I wasn't worth paying for an app on the EVO.
Discover Google Docs, my friend.

Photon + Dock + Google Docs = a glimpse at the future.

By next year expect android phones and cloud services to start replacing laptops for quite a few people.
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The photon is being compared to the bionic, which tells me that it is being expected as a very popular device
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They prolly won't announce this phone until after the 4th of July. And prolly 2 weeks after it will be out. Here's to hope
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The photon is being compared to the bionic, which tells me that it is being expected as a very popular device
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I wouldn't expect much from the Bionic considering the Photon throws everything under the sun at you, and has better specs than the Bionic shown at MWC.

I think the main difference will be the use of OMAP 4460 instead of Tegra2 if rumors hold true. While the OMAP is more powerful on paper, I think the difference in actual use will be marginal.

The real challenge for the Phone will be the Galaxy S2, as they will battle it out for 2nd place after the Evo3D. Between the two, I'd go Photon for a number of reasons.
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....... Between the two, I'd go Photon for a number of reasons.
What are your reasons, Viber. I am 60/40 on these two now that the 3vo has fallen a bit in my thought process. I am leaning towards the Samsung Within ove the Photon, but only slightly. I am interesting in why you are leaning the other way.
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What are your reasons, Viber. I am 60/40 on these two now that the 3vo has fallen a bit in my thought process. I am leaning towards the Samsung Within ove the Photon, but only slightly. I am interesting in why you are leaning the other way.

Well i don't know about him but I am leaning towards the Photon because the other is a Samsung product. Samsung has a bad reputation on their updates.
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I wouldn't expect much from the Bionic considering the Photon throws everything under the sun at you, and has better specs than the Bionic shown at MWC.

I think the main difference will be the use of OMAP 4460 instead of Tegra2 if rumors hold true. While the OMAP is more powerful on paper, I think the difference in actual use will be marginal.

The real challenge for the Phone will be the Galaxy S2, as they will battle it out for 2nd place after the Evo3D. Between the two, I'd go Photon for a number of reasons.
Thanks, viber. I was just taking into consideration the fact that it gained a lot of hype when it was introuduced at CES. The fact that the Photon is being compared to it is really more a good thing than a bad thing, imo. Even if the Photon is just on par or even slightly below the Bionic in performance, that would be huge because the Bionic was being anticipated as the "smartphone of the year."
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Yea kind of surprised. Totally not getting a 3d now and going with this...especially since I'll probably be doing some traveling outside of the US for work.
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This was an interesting article talking about the Photon 4G as being a device that'll define the 2nd half of 2011.
10 Cloud, Mobile Product Launches That Will Define the 2011 Second Half - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com
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Bionic was being anticipated as the "smartphone of the year."
That's because the Evo3D wasn't announced yet
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What are your reasons, Viber. I am 60/40 on these two now that the 3vo has fallen a bit in my thought process. I am leaning towards the Samsung Within ove the Photon, but only slightly. I am interesting in why you are leaning the other way.
The Photon will have a dock for productivity, When using cloud services like Google docs I can basically replace my laptop with a Photon.

The Photon is more secure, so I can actually store some military contacts and info on it. It has a GSM radio so it will work overseas when I am on missions in Europe and North Africa. It's a grown up's phone.

The GS2 offers nothing over the GS1, so what's the point? If all a person wants is to stare at low resolution benchmarks, then the GS2 is pretty cool. I personally expect more.

Not to mention Samsung sucks with support and updates.

As I said before, Samsung is trying to create Android Apple products, while HTC and Motorola are trying to create better smartphones.
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Wow, I never play games on my EVO now, but this is a pretty cool video of the Photon 4G being used in conjunction with a bluetooth controller (in this case, a wii controller)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3H3KRcraNyA
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Am I the only one who thinks the Photon is a little over-hyped right now? It has the Tegra2, a locked bootloader and overall looks to be playing catch-up to the 3vo and SGS2. I think the World-phone aspect is pretty cool but overall not really impressed. Maybe I'm just too excited for the Evo3d lol
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The Photon will have a dock for productivity, When using cloud services like Google docs I can basically replace my laptop with a Photon.

The Photon is more secure, so I can actually store some military contacts and info on it. It has a GSM radio so it will work overseas when I am on missions in Europe and North Africa. It's a grown up's phone.

The GS2 offers nothing over the GS1, so what's the point? If all a person wants is to stare at low resolution benchmarks, then the GS2 is pretty cool. I personally expect more.

Not to mention Samsung sucks with support and updates.

As I said before, Samsung is trying to create Android Apple products, while HTC and Motorola are trying to create better smartphones.

Viber, what is keeping someone from using their 3vo as a personal computer? Wouldn't you need just a blue-tooth mouse and keyboard?
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Am I the only one who thinks the Photon is a little over-hyped right now? It has the Tegra2, a locked bootloader and overall looks to be playing catch-up to the 3vo and SGS2. I think the World-phone aspect is pretty cool but overall not really impressed. Maybe I'm just too excited for the Evo3d lol
Overhyped? LOL...How so? Look how many people post in here vs. the EVO 3D. I can't see how it's overhyped at all. If anything, it's underhyped.

Even with the locked bootloader, it's clear that the market for this phone is business folks that want a phone that'll serve dual purpose for them. That's why this phone caught my attention more-so than the EVO 3D. It works more for my needs than the EVO 3D does.

HTC needs to catch up with all of the other manufacturers that have a lot of internal storage on top of the micro SD card. The Photon provided all the additional things that I had wanted on my current EVO, which I still love.
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Viber, what is keeping someone from using their 3vo as a personal computer? Wouldn't you need just a blue-tooth mouse and keyboard?
Nothing, really, unless one where so inclined to carry a BT keyboard, mouse, HDMI cable and TV/Monitor.

As opposed to this:

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Am I the only one who thinks the Photon is a little over-hyped right now? It has the Tegra2, a locked bootloader and overall looks to be playing catch-up to the 3vo and SGS2. I think the World-phone aspect is pretty cool but overall not really impressed. Maybe I'm just too excited for the Evo3d lol
Hyped? I don't think so. If anything will struggle to make a name for itself in the shadow of the Evo3D.

I do however think Motorola is smart not to try and compete as a multimedia device like the Evo3D, or as a benchmark whore like the SG2.

Instead Motorola is focusing on productivity, security and global portability, where the Photon is completely unchallenged. So if it seems to have "hype" it might be because it is the only phone that can do all this, so it has all the attention.
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Hyped? I don't think so. If anything will struggle to make a name for itself in the shadow of the Evo3D.

I do however think Motorola is smart not to try and compete as a multimedia device like the Evo3D, or as a benchmark whore like the SG2.

Instead Motorola is focusing on productivity, security and global portability, where the Photon is completely unchallenged. So if it seems to have "hype" it might be because it is the only phone that can do all this, so it has all the attention.
Absolutely. Only reason I'm actually considering upgrading from my EVO right now is how much focus they put (during announcement day, 6/9) on the fact that this phone was geared towards business folks. A device that focused on productivity, with regards to business, was EXACTLY what sold me. On top of that, it had everything that my EVO had, plus some upgrades that I was hoping the EVO would have when it was first released.

With the Photon, I can easily see myself using it for 2 years and be able to accomplish both business and personal needs.
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Here is why I think the Bionic will use the OMAP 4460 instead of the OMAP 4430





At 800x480 the Tegra2 has better benchmarks than the OMAP 4430. Since the two track so closely, we can assume a qHD 4430 will perform about the same as the Tegra2 on the Atrix.

To be a super phone, the Bionic will have to come in with more potent hardware to really outshine the Atrix and Photon. At the same time, I hope Motorola has added some optimizations to the hardware and Blur to bump up qHD performance of Tegra2
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At 800x480 the Tegra2 has better benchmarks than the OMAP 4430. Since the two track so closely, we can assume a qHD 4430 will perform about the same as the Tegra2 on the Atrix.

To be a super phone, the Bionic will have to come in with more potent hardware to really outshine the Atrix and Photon. At the same time, I hope Motorola has added some optimizations to the hardware and Blur to bump up qHD performance of Tegra2
viber, can you explain a little 'bit? I'm a little 'bit ignorant when it comes to reading benchmarks and what not, so I never really paid much attention to them.

From looking at the graph, it looks like the Droid 3 got better benchmarks than the Atrix, so would that not translate to the Bionic more than likely having better results than the Photon and Atrix?

Nontheless, the other question I had about these benchmarks is, what do these benchmarks really represent? Do they represent which devices will be the most responsive to regular functions (e.g. scrolling, multi-tasking, etc.) or are these benchmarks simply for how well the phone will respond to graphics, games, and video?
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viber, can you explain a little 'bit? I'm a little 'bit ignorant when it comes to reading benchmarks and what not, so I never really paid much attention to them.

From looking at the graph, it looks like the Droid 3 got better benchmarks than the Atrix, so would that not translate to the Bionic more than likely having better results than the Photon and Atrix?

Nontheless, the other question I had about these benchmarks is, what do these benchmarks really represent? Do they represent which devices will be the most responsive to regular functions (e.g. scrolling, multi-tasking, etc.) or are these benchmarks simply for how well the phone will respond to graphics, games, and video?
The Droid3 is running a 800x480 screen resolution, while the Atrix is running a qHD screen, so the Droid3 is actually doing less work. In benchmarks it has better numbers than it would if it were doing the same work as the Atrix.

FYI, the Galaxy S2 has the same resolution screen as the Droid3, which is partly why it looks amazing on paper.

As to what these numbers mean in the real world outside of gaming, not much in day to day use provided the graphical overlay isn't too bloated and resource hungry. Motoblur is a great example. It's disgustingly bad so it ruins Tegra2 performance, while the older Nexus S 4G is a screamer, and super responsive because there is no bloat eating up CPU cycles
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The Droid3 is running a 800x480 screen resolution, while the Atrix is running a qHD screen, so the Droid3 is actually doing less work. In benchmarks it has better numbers than it would if it were doing the same work as the Atrix.

FYI, the Galaxy S2 has the same resolution screen as the Droid3, which is partly why it looks amazing on paper.

As to what these numbers mean in the real world outside of gaming, not much in day to day use provided the graphical overlay isn't too bloated and resource hungry. Motoblur is a great example. It's disgustingly bad so it ruins Tegra2 performance, while the older Nexus S 4G is a screamer, and super responsive because there is no bloat eating up CPU cycles
Thanks so much for clarifying that. So my main concentration on performance on the photon in comparison to my evo would be a no brainer, since the benchmarks have little to do with day to day use. And the photon, on paper, should blow my evo out of the water on day 2 day performance even with all the bloatware and ui being a performance hog. I still love my evo, although at times I wished it were slightly more responsive over 1 year having it, but that's also never having rooted it.

Your answer basically summarized why the photon is looking like the best upgrade choice for me.
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Finally, an article that actually mentions the Photon as a Bionic on Sprint vs. Atrix or Droid X2
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Finally, an article that actually mentions the Photon as a Bionic on Sprint vs. Atrix or Droid X2
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I think most people thought Bionic right away when the Photon was announced.

For whatever reason the GS2 is completely MIA. Not that I care. Samsung sucks.
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I don't know if I can hold out. The Evo 3d is aval for me right now and I just love new phones I know I won't use the 3d at all but sense 3.0 is looking really nice right about now. What can I say ....I'm a phone whore
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I think most people thought Bionic right away when the Photon was announced.

For whatever reason the GS2 is completely MIA. Not that I care. Samsung sucks.
Yeah, I definitely did. But a lot of the publications/blogs out there, prior to the June 9 event, were saying either Atrix or Droid 2.
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I don't know if I can hold out. The Evo 3d is aval for me right now and I just love new phones I know I won't use the 3d at all but sense 3.0 is looking really nice right about now. What can I say ....I'm a phone whore
Hahaha...I'm definitely planning to go into a Sprint store, just to check out the EVO 3D w/ Sense 3.0.

Thing is, I haven't used HTC Sense in so long now (especially because I was getting so many force close errors before), that I can't imagine using any launcher over either Launcher Pro Plus or Go Launcher Ex. I love the scrolling dock! Only reason I haven't switched to Go Launcher Ex is because of the Launcher Pro Plus widgets. Thing is, someone referred me to the colorized widgets app that seems to do the same thing, so I may give that the 30 day trial, once the official release date is announced for this phone.
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Sense 3.0 is pretty slick. It's obvious HTC has learned a great deal about what people value in an interface. Speedy, graphical, easy on the eyes, large widgets with plenty of on tap information. Furthermore, it looks nothing like iOS


Samsung's Touchwiz on the other hand is incredibly boring, and the widgets suck. Also, I am no fan of Samsung wanting to be Apple-like.


Motorola's Motorblur is a bloated laggy mess, but I actually like their widgets a bit more than Samsung's but it is on the drab side compared to Sense.

If I had to choose an overlay, it would be Sense 3.0, though really, I prefer Pure Google.
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Sense 3.0 is pretty slick. It's obvious HTC has learned a great deal about what people value in an interface. Speedy, graphical, easy on the eyes, large widgets with plenty of on tap information. Furthermore, it looks nothing like iOS


Samsung's Touchwiz on the other hand is incredibly boring, and the widgets suck. Also, I am no fan of Samsung wanting to be Apple-like.


Motorola's Motorblur is a bloated laggy mess, but I actually like their widgets a bit more than Samsung's but it is on the drab side compared to Sense.

If I had to choose an overlay, it would be Sense 3.0, though really, I prefer Pure Google.
I agree about Touchwiz. I have an Epic on one of my secondary lines. The person that uses that phone doesn't mind it, but my first thought about the UI was how ugly the widgets were...LOL.

As far as UI is concerned, it's LPP or Go Launcher Ex for me. Stock UI's don't have enough customizations for what I like to see or not see on my phone homescreens.
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If Atrix is going to get an unlocked bootloader after the Gingerbread update, then I can't see any reason for the Photon to come out with a locked bootloader. And even if it does, I'd imagine they'd want to send an OTA update that'll unlock it at some point soon after launch:

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If Atrix is going to get an unlocked bootloader after the Gingerbread update, then I can't see any reason for the Photon to come out with a locked bootloader. And even if it does, I'd imagine they'd want to send an OTA update that'll unlock it at some point soon after launch:

Motorola To Unlock Atrix 4G Bootloader With Gingerbread Update? Looks Like It. | Android News, Apps, Games, Phones, Tablets - Android Police
It's slightly different circumstances. The Atrix was a complete flop, so Motorola needs to move as many as possible by whatever means necessary before the public gets a whiff of iPhone 4S or iPhone 5, whichever it is. Bloomberg wrote today that we can bank on September, after which demand for the Atrix on AT&T will drop down to zero.

The Photon will have a different playing field on Sprint, so that could impact Motorola's mindset at launch.
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I wonder how well this phone will sell to the general consumer, as compared to the "android" community. Obviously, the locked bootloader is a huge issue for many, but as far as the general consumer is concerned, I wonder if Sprint/Motorola will put in extra efforts to make this the "ideal business phone."

So far, this phone is as closed to locked in as my #1 choice for upgrade.
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well ... guys and gals, i went to Sprint this morning to see ( and prolly buy ) the EVO 3d. I just couldnt do it . That 3d was making me cross eyed . Back on the photon express ! guess im not the whore i thought i was .lol
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well ... guys and gals, i went to Sprint this morning to see ( and prolly buy ) the EVO 3d. I just couldnt do it . That 3d was making me cross eyed . Back on the photon express ! guess im not the whore i thought i was .lol
LOL I totally agree. I was playing with the EVO 3D and I just couldnt deal with that camera.
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To be honest here, I would be more excited for the Photon 4G than the EVO 3D. Like I stated before, I played with the E3D yesterday at radioshack. The guy there was nice enough to let me use it for a couple minutes. The screen is gorgeous but I prefer the screen size of the EVO better. Sense 3.0 is pretty good but there are some aspects of it that I do not like. I know this is nitpicking but I do not like how they did the wallpapers on this one. Instead of swiping left to right, it just a carasal. I like the older style better. I just hope future HTC phones are not like this. If it is, I'm just going to have to look else where. I'm not upgrading anytime soon. But if I were to choose, I would pick the Photon hands down. It has a kickstand and none of that 3D stuff.
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To be honest here, I would be more excited for the Photon 4G than the EVO 3D. Like I stated before, I played with the E3D yesterday at radioshack. The guy there was nice enough to let me use it for a couple minutes. The screen is gorgeous but I prefer the screen size of the EVO better. Sense 3.0 is pretty good but there are some aspects of it that I do not like. I know this is nitpicking but I do not like how they did the wallpapers on this one. Instead of swiping left to right, it just a carasal. I like the older style better. I just hope future HTC phones are not like this. If it is, I'm just going to have to look else where. I'm not upgrading anytime soon. But if I were to choose, I would pick the Photon hands down. It has a kickstand and none of that 3D stuff.
Isn't the screen size the same? Actually, now that I think about it, I think the 3D is wider in landscape viewing, but more narrow in portrait, right?
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Isn't the screen size the same? Actuayll, now that I think about it, I think the 3D is wider in landscape viewing, but more narrow in portrait, right?
Yeah the screen is more wider but more narrow. I just think that the EVO screen size is just perfect.
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Yeah the screen is more wider but more narrow. I just think that the EVO screen size is just perfect.
I'm kinda wondering if it'll be the same thing with the Photon though, since the resolution is the same as the EVO 3D.
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How exciting would it be if Sprint continued the policy they made for the EVO 3D with the Photon 4G!

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I seriously don't know if I would root the phone anymore, if I could just remove the bloatware!
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How exciting would it be if Sprint continued the policy they made for the EVO 3D with the Photon 4G!

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I seriously don't know if I would root the phone anymore, if I could just remove the bloatware!
I hope mobileburn really did get confirmation from Sprint!
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