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Old July 25th, 2011, 07:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Well as the title states, today is D-day and the Photon is boxed up and being sent back today. I wish Motorola would just let me keep it, but I understand why they need it back. It was never meant to be sold and I was lucky enough to spend a few days getting to know the phone. All the positive responses and help that I have provided others really means a lot to me. I couldn't ask for a better group of android friends than the ones we all share on here. Thanks everyone for all the questions and comments, it really made me feel like a true geek for a few days So I guess now I get to play the waiting game like everyone else, let the fun begin!

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Sucks you have to send it back, but like you said, its was cool while it lasted and your info has helped greatly in deciding if this phone is worth getting. If you have any further contact with the reps at Moto, ask them why the phone's release has supposedly been delayed.
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I understand why Moto is doing this, but hopefully they send you a free one to make up for it. You got them a lot of sales and excitement with your post. It probably has everything to do with agreements to entities like AOL to have the first "look"/reviews up. Makes those guys look foolish with just some random guy (no offense) on the internet getting the phone and putting it out there for everyone to see.
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I understand why Moto is doing this, but hopefully they send you a free one to make up for it. You got them a lot of sales and excitement with your post. It probably has everything to do with agreements to entities like AOL to have the first "look"/reviews up. Makes those guys look foolish with just some random guy (no offense) on the internet getting the phone and putting it out there for everyone to see.

The rep I talked to through email and on the phone is the head of security and loss prevention, he told me that they can't send me a free Photon. He said I would have to wait til release day and purchase one myself. But like you said I did a lot of positive PR for them and they just don't respect that. Guess I need to go over his head to a higher power. Or maybe I should release his email address so you guys can bombard his in box with positive emails about what I did. Lol.
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The rep I talked to through email and on the phone is the head of security and loss prevention, he told me that they can't send me a free Photon. He said I would have to wait til release day and purchase one myself. But like you said I did a lot of positive PR for them and they just don't respect that. Guess I need to go over his head to a higher power. Or maybe I should release his email address so you guys can bombard his in box with positive emails about what I did. Lol.

Corporate Security/Legal and Corporate PR are two separate animals. You will get nowhere with security/legal. Try contacting their PR folks.
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The rep I talked to through email and on the phone is the head of security and loss prevention, he told me that they can't send me a free Photon. He said I would have to wait til release day and purchase one myself. But like you said I did a lot of positive PR for them and they just don't respect that. Guess I need to go over his head to a higher power. Or maybe I should release his email address so you guys can bombard his in box with positive emails about what I did. Lol.
I'm a social media manager and there are companies that "get it" and those that "don't" seems in this case Moto just doesn't. I understand from their perspective how difficult this is. However this paints them socially in a very negative lite not to the general public of course, but we are the people that seed their product. We are the brand ambassadors who can either create buzz or spread negativity. By offering to give you something like a free phone, or simply letting you keep the current one but having you keep quiet (which everyone would understand) they could harness our power to really help them. We would go, "Moto is awesome, and we understand where they are coming from!" they are instead taking the cold calculated corporate route....again not sending police to your house, but still rather cold.

Look at how much bad press Apple got with the iPhone 4 debacle. Of course the difference being that Apple actually gains something by keeping things secret and the release was months away (even though they probably sold MOAR iPhones thanks to it). This is two weeks away with a company who has a wide line up of products, so I have a hard time buying that this somehow hurts the company....outside of course of arrangements with other large media entities to be the "first" to review the phone.

The bottom line is, one day the'll do this to someone with a lot of influence in the social realm and it might hurt them. Why not kiss this guys butt and look like a company that really CARES about it's hardcore fans?
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I think I speak for many of us when I say we really appreciate the info you shared. I can certainly understand how you're bummed that you have to send the phone back, I would be too. But think of it this way, all you have to do is send the phone back. Chances are whoever leaked it from Moto or Sprint is looking for work right now.
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Yeah it could be worse. i could be out of more than 350 bucks or prosecuted legally. But since I am cooperating I think it makes it a little better. And knowing that I did a good thing by posting up my mini reviews.
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Yeah it could be worse. i could be out of more than 350 bucks or prosecuted legally. But since I am cooperating I think it makes it a little better. And knowing that I did a good thing by posting up my mini reviews.
I still want to know how you can afford every new phone and only have access to a 7mp Kodak Digital Camera?
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I still want to know how you can afford every new phone and only have access to a 7mp Kodak Digital Camera?

I don't even own a camera! I always rely on my phone for pics. So when I posted the very first pics they were taken with my 3D. When I did the group shots I had to use a crappy 3 years old camera. And I usually find good deals on phones so I don't have to spend much money.
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Wow...they want the phone back? For what, you have already been all over the forums with that thing! So in essence, the damage is done! However they choose to go the dark evil route, and play evil empire! Whatever, I don't see the logic in asking for it back, and then not at least offering you an official realeased model. I would go over that guys head, and shoot straight for they're PR Dept. Either way, your reviews were very useful, so thank you!

Question is....will you break down and buy an official Photon when it gets released after all this?
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Cheer up Shawn. At least you will get your money back hopefully from Motorola via Paypal. I guess ur sorta lucky since you could have been out a few hundred bucks for the phone or like you said legal problems.

Its only less than 1 week away from launch date so its not too bad. You did the right thing of returning it back but you certainly did a good job of hyping up the photon phone. I am for sure going to be upgrading to this phone when it comes out.
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Cheer up Shawn. At least you will get your money back hopefully from Motorola via Paypal. I guess ur sorta lucky since you could have been out a few hundred bucks for the phone or like you said legal problems.

Its only less than 1 week away from launch date so its not too bad. You did the right thing of returning it back but you certainly did a good job of hyping up the photon phone. I am for sure going to be upgrading to this phone when it comes out.

The name is Shawheim ;-p I usually tell people to call me Sam. But Motorola already said they won't give me my money back. And I tried to do it through paypal but for some odd reason when I paid for the item I did goods and services and even left a note about what the item was, but its telling me it wasn't for goods. So I have to wait to see what to do, or try to contact the guy I bought it from, who hasn't responded since he shipped it out.
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The name is Shawheim ;-p I usually tell people to call me Sam. But Motorola already said they won't give me my money back. And I tried to do it through paypal but for some odd reason when I paid for the item I did goods and services and even left a note about what the item was, but its telling me it wasn't for goods. So I have to wait to see what to do, or try to contact the guy I bought it from, who hasn't responded since he shipped it out.
Thank for all the information and I hope you get you money money or at least some paypal credit of the same amount.
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bummer if yout can't reclaim lost funds through paypal.

moto got their phone back.

eller got the cash for the sale.

You get left with the shaft....

jus't aint right!
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bummer if yout can't reclaim lost funds through paypal.

moto got their phone back.

eller got the cash for the sale.

You get left with the shaft....

jus't aint right!
The money is tied to someone on the other end so one way or the other he'll get his money back.
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The name is Shawheim ;-p I usually tell people to call me Sam. But Motorola already said they won't give me my money back. And I tried to do it through paypal but for some odd reason when I paid for the item I did goods and services and even left a note about what the item was, but its telling me it wasn't for goods. So I have to wait to see what to do, or try to contact the guy I bought it from, who hasn't responded since he shipped it out.
Yes, you need to open a dispute with Paypal as soon as possible. Unfortunately, a thief cannot convey good title so you have to give the item back though Motorola might need to prove to you using a police report that it was indeed stolen from them. If you are a member of a legal plan at work I would definitely consider contacting an attorney about this - even before you return the phone to them. I do not know how the seller represented the item you bought, but I would assume he didn't represent it as an item which was internally controlled by Motorola (and which BTW Motorola failed to protect or account for).
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Wow...they want the phone back? For what, you have already been all over the forums with that thing! So in essence, the damage is done! However they choose to go the dark evil route, and play evil empire! Whatever, I don't see the logic in asking for it back, and then not at least offering you an official realeased model. I would go over that guys head, and shoot straight for they're PR Dept. Either way, your reviews were very useful, so thank you!

Question is....will you break down and buy an official Photon when it gets released after all this?
It's actually pretty smart of Moto. They also jumped in before any head to head benchmarks could get any publicity (this was probably just coincidence). They were able to give users a taste with out giving too much away. They also appease members of the media who had deals to get a "first" look and they increase excitement. The only person who really looses is shawhiem. Just from my position it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Why not reach out and try to do something positive to put a good public spin on it? Oh well they will continue to make millions and the world will continue to spin.
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Shawheim, all things considered and not to put you on the spot, but given you've owned the Evo 3D and also played with Photon, which do you prefer?

Thanks much in advance as I really appreciate your educated opinion.
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Shawheim, all things considered and not to put you on the spot, but given you've owned the Evo 3D and also played with Photon, which do you prefer?

Thanks much in advance as I really appreciate your educated opinion.

Over all I think I would choose the Photon. I like the size and shape of it and the way it feels in my hands better than the 3D. U feel that the screen was on par with the 3D. I like the camera and the options better than the 3D. Sense vs Blur is too close to call. They both have positives over each other. But if I was given the choice to pick one and only one, it would prob be MP4G. But that's my personal preference. I have had all of the HTC android phones Sprint offers. I just like the Photon a little more.
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First, let me say I appreciate the info Shawheim was able to give us. Although I was planning to get the MP4G all along, it reinforced my decision.

I don't mean to be the proverbial 'stick in the mud" here, but the thread title should read "Motorola's Photon", not "My Photon". Carriers mark pre-release test devices like this one for a reason, and those who posess them do so under strict NDA's. Our friendly informant could have just as easily been an agent of a competitor to Motorola, and we don't know if the software on that Photon was secure. Suppose a competitor de-constructed it? Industrial espionage is serious, serious business, and I'm not surprised the head of "security and loss prevention" got involved here. There's a lesson in this for all of us: don't sell or buy pre-release devices. The risks are too high.

Also, as cool as the concept of "rewarding Shawheim for the good PR" seems, Motorola can't set that precedent, at least not publicly. Rewarding people who illegally posess test devices for leaking favorable reviews not only threatens security, but encourages illegal behavior. It just doesn't make sense upon careful consideration.

Again, thanks Shawheim. Hope you get your money back and I'll be happy to see you standing tall after all this is said and done. As for the seller, if he's the one the device was originally issued to, I'd not be at all surprised if he were looking for a new job about now. If he isn't the one to whom the device was issued, Motorola will work backwards to find out how the device came to be sold.
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Honestly I do not think that Motorola can persue legal actions against you. It is more of a bullying situation. You did not knowingly buy stolen goods. In a worst-case scenario, the police would contact you to re-aquire the device, and you'd get a police report that you could present to PayPal.

I wouldn't send it back until you get confirmation of a refund. I have talked to a few people who work on prototyping at my (Motorola-sized) company, and really the only one who can get in trouble here is the guy who sold it. His career is probably over, to be honest.
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which phone gave you better reception and call quality? which offered better battery life? which was faster?
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which phone gave you better reception and call quality? which offered better battery life? which was faster?

All that was covered in the"Just received my Photon" thread.
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Absolutely yes, Motorola could prosecute. Sorry to burst people's bubbles around here but you can be charged with possession of stolen property, most likely a misdemeanor but could be brought up to a felony under the correct circumstances. Of course they would have to prove that you knew that the property was stolen, most likely, to succeed in prosecuting you.

In this case, would a reasonable person suspect that the phone could have been stolen since it hadn't been released and it was clearly labelled on the phone "not for sale?" A prosecutor could argue this.

Yes Motorola would have to spend more money than this would actually be worth to them in bad publicity and hassle. If they really wanted to get nasty about it, they could charge you with possession of stolen property, and the courts would determine whether or not they had a case, whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony, what if any time you would serve, and what your restitution fee would be, etc.

I work with young people who knowingly receive stolen property often and I'm compelled to educate them about this law. My young people would be especially vulnerable if charged. You may not be as vulnerable (depending on whether or not you have a criminal record, whether or not you can afford a good lawyer, age, standing in the community, and reputation, etc.) as the young people with whom I work.

Shawheim, you made the right decision to send it back.

That being said, Motorola could be more gracious about this. It's not like he was selling the software or hardware to Motorola's competitors. I guess they're assuming that this could have happened and are acting accordingly.
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Absolutely yes, Motorola could prosecute. Sorry to burst people's bubbles around here but you can be charged with possession of stolen property, most likely a misdemeanor but could be brought up to a felony under the correct circumstances. Of course they would have to prove that you knew that the property was stolen, most likely, to succeed in prosecuting you.

In this case, would a reasonable person suspect that the phone could have been stolen since it hadn't been released and it was clearly labelled on the phone "not for sale?" A prosecutor could argue this.

Yes Motorola would have to spend more money than this would actually be worth to them in bad publicity and hassle. If they really wanted to get nasty about it, they could charge you with possession of stolen property, and the courts would determine whether or not they had a case, whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony, what if any time you would serve, and what your restitution fee would be, etc.

I work with young people who knowingly receive stolen property often and I'm compelled to educate them about this law. My young people would be especially vulnerable if charged. You may not be as vulnerable (depending on whether or not you have a criminal record, whether or not you can afford a good lawyer, age, standing in the community, and reputation, etc.) as the young people with whom I work.

Shawheim, you made the right decision to send it back.

That being said, Motorola could be more gracious about this. It's not like he was selling the software or hardware to Motorola's competitors. I guess they're assuming that this could have happened and are acting accordingly.

You are right, I did post pictures of the writing Motorola had stamped on it. But if you look at the for sale thread it isn't shown. So I didn't know what I was getting til I got it. The phone wasn't stolen. If it was it wouldn't have had a clear ESN and I wouldn't have been able to activate it. And there was no way I was gonna just let the phone sit and not share it with the world.
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You are right, I did post pictures of the writing Motorola had stamped on it. But if you look at the for sale thread it isn't shown. So I didn't know what I was getting til I got it. The phone wasn't stolen. If it was it wouldn't have had a clear ESN and I wouldn't have been able to activate it...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation. Why is Motorola claiming they could prosecute you if the phone wasn't stolen? If it's not stolen, and you had no indication that this was a pre-release phone that had writing all over it that said that it wasn't for sale, then what crime do you think they think you committed?

This isn't making sense.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation. Why is Motorola claiming they could prosecute you if the phone wasn't stolen? If it's not stolen, and you had no indication that this was a pre-release phone that had writing all over it that said that it wasn't for sale, then what crime do you think they think you committed?

This isn't making sense.

They said I was in possession of Motorola property. Which I was. Since it was a developer unit it was never meant to leave Motorolas hands. It got out some how and was sold twice before they caught on. So the guy said I had to send it back or I could be looking at jail time for espionage and some other stuff. So I complied.
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Yes Motorola would have to spend more money than this would actually be worth to them in bad publicity and hassle. If they really wanted to get nasty about it, they could charge you with possession of stolen property
Motorola doesn't make the determination of what the charge is. They can demand that he get charged with treason, custodial interference, animal cruelty, conspiracy to commit murder, etc....the local DA decides what the charge is.
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They said I was in possession of Motorola property. Which I was. Since it was a developer unit it was never meant to leave Motorolas hands. It got out some how and was sold twice before they caught on. So the guy said I had to send it back or I could be looking at jail time for espionage and some other stuff. So I complied.
Like I said before, law enforcement would have to show proof that you knew it was stolen upon you purchasing it. I don't blame you for sending it back, but I really don't think Motorola had any legal right to request it back without any compensation to you... You didn't steal if from them. Hopefully paypal can help you out on this.
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Like I said before, law enforcement would have to show proof that you knew it was stolen upon you purchasing it. I don't blame you for sending it back, but I really don't think Motorola had any legal right to request it back without any compensation to you... You didn't steal if from them. Hopefully paypal can help you out on this.

If someone steals your car and sells it to a third party, and it's later found, would you want it back? Or would you recognize the buyer's right to keep it since the buyer didn't, after all, steal it? Maybe you could "compensate" the buyer with a new car in order to get yours back?

Furthermore, imagine you're in the car manufacturing business, and the car in question is an unreleased prototype which hasn't hit the showrooms yet... You know nothing, really, about the buyer. You don't know whether he works for one of your competitors or where his allegiances may lie.

We can all be certain shawheim's intentions were good here, but I'm just pointing out the realities of the situation in our fast-paced, ultra-competitive high tech world
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First, let me say I appreciate the info Shawheim was able to give us. Although I was planning to get the MP4G all along, it reinforced my decision.

I don't mean to be the proverbial 'stick in the mud" here, but the thread title should read "Motorola's Photon", not "My Photon". Carriers mark pre-release test devices like this one for a reason, and those who posess them do so under strict NDA's. Our friendly informant could have just as easily been an agent of a competitor to Motorola, and we don't know if the software on that Photon was secure. Suppose a competitor de-constructed it? Industrial espionage is serious, serious business, and I'm not surprised the head of "security and loss prevention" got involved here. There's a lesson in this for all of us: don't sell or buy pre-release devices. The risks are too high.

Also, as cool as the concept of "rewarding Shawheim for the good PR" seems, Motorola can't set that precedent, at least not publicly. Rewarding people who illegally posess test devices for leaking favorable reviews not only threatens security, but encourages illegal behavior. It just doesn't make sense upon careful consideration.

Again, thanks Shawheim. Hope you get your money back and I'll be happy to see you standing tall after all this is said and done. As for the seller, if he's the one the device was originally issued to, I'd not be at all surprised if he were looking for a new job about now. If he isn't the one to whom the device was issued, Motorola will work backwards to find out how the device came to be sold.
Now that you do put it that way it does make sense. I went through a similar situation with Kawasaki as I used to race street bikes on the amateur circuit. A team mate of mine died in an accident due to a frame failure from a faulty weld that broke apart at 120 mph. We also are under ironclad agreements acknowledging risks of the sport and even though his death was directly caused by a fault on their end they would not help his family cover funeral expenses even though they were struggling and he just had a child. I spoke out to people about how I really felt about the situation and how I thought Kawasaki was being shitty about it. Word got back to them about what I said and as I stated before I used to race. I was immediately terminated from my contract for violating my NDA and basically run out of the business by them.

So as much as I hate them for what happened they are still alive and kicking and selling everything where as if they had helped him they could of become liable for thousands of lawsuits due to people dieing in accidents and whatnot, and Motorola is in a similar situation where they are putting their corporation at risk.
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You have no idea how close to home your story hits, as my Dad raced professionaly for over 30 years (including 21 Indy 500's). The assumption of risk in motorsports by those who willfully particapate is something that you can't really accept halfway. No manufacturer, venue, sanctioning body, etc. can guarantee safety for participants or spectators. We assume the risk, do our best, and pray for the best. Sometimes it works out and sometimes tragedies occur. I'm sorry to learn of the outcome of your story.

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Now that you do put it that way it does make sense. I went through a similar situation with Kawasaki as I used to race street bikes on the amateur circuit. A team mate of mine died in an accident due to a frame failure from a faulty weld that broke apart at 120 mph. We also are under ironclad agreements acknowledging risks of the sport and even though his death was directly caused by a fault on their end they would not help his family cover funeral expenses even though they were struggling and he just had a child. I spoke out to people about how I really felt about the situation and how I thought Kawasaki was being shitty about it. Word got back to them about what I said and as I stated before I used to race. I was immediately terminated from my contract for violating my NDA and basically run out of the business by them.

So as much as I hate them for what happened they are still alive and kicking and selling everything where as if they had helped him they could of become liable for thousands of lawsuits due to people dieing in accidents and whatnot, and Motorola is in a similar situation where they are putting their corporation at risk.
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The above poster who said that the DA for the states (or US attorney for the feds) are the only ones who can press charges and prosecute is correct. Motorola can merely file a criminal complaint or file a civil suit.

In the United States, Receipt of stolen property is a federal crime under 18 U.S.C. § 2315, defined as knowingly receive, conceal, or dispose of stolen property with a value at least $5,000 that is part of interstate commerce (i.e., been transported across state lines).

A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved:

1) The person received or concealed or stored or disposed of items of stolen property.
2) The items were moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce.
3) The items had a value in excess of $5,000.
4) The person acted knowingly and willfully.
5) The government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person either received, concealed, stored, sold or disposed of the stolen property.

To be guilty of the offense, a person must know that the property had been stolen, but he need not know that it was moving as, or constituted a part of, interstate commerce. The term "interstate commerce" merely refers to the movement of property from one U.S. state into another; and it is sufficient if the property has recently moved interstate as a result of a transaction or a series of related transactions that have not been fully completed or consummated at the time of the person's acts as alleged.

All US states also have laws regarding receipt of stolen property; however, there usually is no minimum dollar amount in many jurisdictions, and, of course, the requirement in Federal law regarding interstate commerce does not apply. Also, in many states (Ohio, for example), the burden to prove criminal intent is not as stringent or is nonexistent.[3] This means that one can be charged with the crime - usually a minor degree of felony - even if the person did not know the item in question was stolen. In the Ohio case of State v. Awad, the goods didn't even need to be stolen, just represented as stolen.[4]

Receiving stolen property and possession of stolen property are treated as separate offenses in some jurisdictions. The distinguishing element is when the person knew that the property was stolen. If the person knew that the property was stolen at the time he received it the crime is receiving stolen property. If the person did not know the property was stolen at the time she received it but found out after receiving possession, the crime is possession of stolen property.

The state must prove that the defendant received or possessed the property for a dishonest purpose. If for example the person acquired possession for the purpose of returning the property to its lawful owner no crime has been committed.
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The phone was never "stolen". It was merely sold twice without Motorola's consent since it was "Confidential Motorola Property". That is the problem that they had with the whole situation. Someone in their camp sold property That wasn't theirs to sale. So I guess they figure if they will do that there is no telling what else they will do.
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The phone was never "stolen". It was merely sold twice without Motorola's consent since it was "Confidential Motorola Property". That is the problem that they had with the whole situation. Someone in their camp sold property That wasn't theirs to sale. So I guess they figure if they will do that there is no telling what else they will do.
Did you talk to an attorney? Did you already send it back?
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(and which BTW Motorola failed to protect or account for).
What makes you think this device was not accounted for? Moto did track the buyer and seller and I guarantee he no longer works for Sprint.
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You have no idea how close to home your story hits, as my Dad raced professionaly for over 30 years (including 21 Indy 500's). The assumption of risk in motorsports by those who willfully particapate is something that you can't really accept halfway. No manufacturer, venue, sanctioning body, etc. can guarantee safety for participants or spectators. We assume the risk, do our best, and pray for the best. Sometimes it works out and sometimes tragedies occur. I'm sorry to learn of the outcome of your story.
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I just find it scary that they found you based on your s/n from a message board.
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The phone was never "stolen". It was merely sold twice without Motorola's consent since it was "Confidential Motorola Property". That is the problem that they had with the whole situation. Someone in their camp sold property That wasn't theirs to sale. So I guess they figure if they will do that there is no telling what else they will do.
Its still stolen though. It wasnt the first sellers property and they sold it without motorolas consent. Its a theft but not in the normal sense of the word as in someone breaking in and grabbing a bunch of phones.
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You know this whole thing makes me not even want to buy a Motorola product. They have a crappy reputation because of motoblur and late updates amongst other things and shaw's review is better than any pr or website could ever do because shaw's was a real genuine review with nothing to gaining sure more people will buy the photon because of Shaw's review than some company's review anyways. So shame on Motorola for being d o u c h e s about t the whole thing.
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You know this whole thing makes me not even want to buy a Motorola product. They have a crappy reputation because of motoblur and late updates amongst other things and shaw's review is better than any pr or website could ever do because shaw's was a real genuine review with nothing to gaining sure more people will buy the photon because of Shaw's review than some company's review anyways. So shame on Motorola for being d o u c h e s about t the whole thing.
The new phone doesnt have blur and has had good reviews. Motorola rolls out updates pretty quickly many of their phones got Gingerbread before the EVO did. I do agree its a shitty situation.
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The new phone doesnt have blur and has had good reviews. Motorola rolls out updates pretty quickly many of their phones got Gingerbread before the EVO did. I do agree its a shitty situation.
Agree with most of what you said expect about blur, it definitely still has blur. It might get a name drop but it is still blur, even though it seems a lot better. Actually blur is on the manufacture skins I like most.
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Seems like it's more of a "motoblur lite", hopefully stripped down enough to release some resources the full blur has been known to hog.
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Agree with most of what you said expect about blur, it definitely still has blur. It might get a name drop but it is still blur, even though it seems a lot better. Actually blur is on the manufacture skins I like most.
It still shows some elements of it but it looks quite more refined than what was on the earlier phones. I never had much of a problem with Blur either and I find it funny when people complain that the widgets arent as pretty. At that point its like a person is just looking for something to hate. Based on my experience with Blur this phone would be like Sense 3.0 on the 3D versus Sense 1.X like the EVO I had.
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It still shows some elements of it but it looks quite more refined than what was on the earlier phones. I never had much of a problem with Blur either and I find it funny when people complain that the widgets arent as pretty. At that point its like a person is just looking for something to hate. Based on my experience with Blur this phone would be like Sense 3.0 on the 3D versus Sense 1.X like the EVO I had.

Totally agree with you, if people don't like the widgets they can remove them. Motorola didn't a few things great with blur. Starting with their widgets, they are the first to introduce re-sizable widgets on android as far as I know.

Yeah with each update to Blur, Motorola has been less and less prominent, one of the reasons I like it the most. The Motorola Droid X is still my favorite phone to this day. I am pumped for this phone, but sadly I don't think I will keep it long. As great as I think it will be, I absolutely want the SG2 and I am going to have to get it.

But I am going to get the Photon and mess with it, might have my wife keep it instead of the EVO 3D.
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