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Old September 29th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #101 (permalink)
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The one thing keeping me from running a custom rom is the lack of 4G. I live and work in a 4G area and 3G speeds drive me nuts now whenever I go visit my Alma Mater for a weekend.
I live and work in a 4G area and WIMAX is a joke for me, it never worked properly so I don't feel bad losing it on CM10. Sprint's 3G speeds are also terrible so now I am definitely considering my options on other carriers. At least there is no jitter in the latest CM10 update!

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I live and work in a 4G area and WIMAX is a joke for me, it never worked properly so I don't feel bad losing it on CM10. Sprint's 3G speeds are also terrible so now I am definitely considering my options on other carriers. At least there is no jitter in the latest CM10 update!

Flash the kddi radio and use Straight Talk. As long as your under 3GB a month in data, AT&T's fauxG is faster in than Sprint in a lot of areas. That and it's about $50-60/mo
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I live and work in a 4G area and WIMAX is a joke for me, it never worked properly so I don't feel bad losing it on CM10. Sprint's 3G speeds are also terrible so now I am definitely considering my options on other carriers. At least there is no jitter in the latest CM10 update!
That's a bummer, I regularly top 6 Mbs while on 4G and 3G is lucky if it hits 1.
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Those of you here who are also members on MOTOROLA'S official forum (aptly titled MOTOROLA FORUMS), I urge you to post in the PHOTON section & related ICS threads & voice your concerns/opinions/questions regarding recent events.

Some may ask "What's the point now, what's done is done?"
While that may be true, I think it's worthwhile to voice your concerns & possible future plans regarding MOTOROLA handsets.
I feel it's the least we could do, to repay the grand largesse of MOTOROLA, the presently worthless $100 credit for another phone, which may or may not receive firmware/software updates.
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I feel like I've been Palm Pre'd by Motorola. I'm officially done, rooting for the underdog. If it doesn't sell millions it will not be bought by me. They made a choice not to support my less than 2 year old phone, so I have made a choice not to support motorola, heck I might not even support Google after this year.
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I would like the option of having the $100 "rebate" go to the NexPhone guys
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That's a bummer, I regularly top 6 Mbs while on 4G and 3G is lucky if it hits 1.

Yep me too. That's why CM10 won't work me otherwise I would have done it long ago.

Last night when I discovered the news I was strangely calm about it. Now after some sleep, I want to rage against the machine. This really sucks.

To the motor forum I go.
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I feel like I've been Palm Pre'd by Motorola. I'm officially done, rooting for the underdog. If it doesn't sell millions it will not be bought by me. They made a choice not to support my less than 2 year old phone, so I have made a choice not to support motorola, heck I might not even support Google after this year.
No joke. While I'll stick with Android and Google, I'm through with Moto.
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I know many of u r uber disappointed, but I still feel the mopho is a fantastic phone.

I am however going to be looking for a volunteer to help me join the rooting world, once I use my final upgrade.
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[QUOTE=KOLIO;5019704]Those of you here who are also members on MOTOROLA'S official forum (aptly titled MOTOROLA FORUMS), I urge you to post in the PHOTON section & related ICS threads & voice your concerns/opinions/questions regarding recent events.

Per my post in the Moto Forums:


I worked for Motorola for 24 years. They were always a very ethical company driven by a very ethical family (The Galvins). I'm sorry to say that I'm seeing things now that let me know that this may have changed. We never strung our customers along and we always kept committments (even if it cost us more than we originally anticipated. I believe incompetence made the decision to tell the Atrix 4G base that ICS was coming 3Q12 and then somebody realized that its cost didn't support the update. Motorola keeps the profits and we're stuck with a deadend phone. So now, like many others, I have lost my trust in this company. I saw the "original" changes in the Moto Upgrade News on 9/22/12 a few hours after it was updated. Moto changed the page a few days later with this news without even updating the last update date (kind of like they just wanted to slip in the bad news that should have been given on the 22nd). When a customer loses trust in a company every move is suspect. While Moto may be saving some money by not doing this upgrade, upsetting the number of customers using the Atrix 4G (who will undoubly tell 5 to 10 friends) will be much, much more costly. Maybe Moto just has gotten to the point where their head is you know where and they are oblivious to what their customers feel. Perhaps it's time to move to a company that's hungry for our business and truly cares enough to make good on their commitments. This is truly a sad moment for me personally.......
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I worked for Motorola for 24 years. They were always a very ethical company driven by a very ethical family (The Galvins). I'm sorry to say that I'm seeing things now that let me know that this may have changed. We never strung our customers along and we always kept committments (even if it cost us more than we originally anticipated. I believe incompetence made the decision to tell the Atrix 4G base that ICS was coming 3Q12 and then somebody realized that its cost didn't support the update. Motorola keeps the profits and we're stuck with a deadend phone. So now, like many others, I have lost my trust in this company. I saw the "original" changes in the Moto Upgrade News on 9/22/12 a few hours after it was updated. Moto changed the page a few days later with this news without even updating the last update date (kind of like they just wanted to slip in the bad news that should have been given on the 22nd). When a customer loses trust in a company every move is suspect. While Moto may be saving some money by not doing this upgrade, upsetting the number of customers using the Atrix 4G (who will undoubly tell 5 to 10 friends) will be much, much more costly. Maybe Moto just has gotten to the point where their head is you know where and they are oblivious to what their customers feel. Perhaps it's time to move to a company that's hungry for our business and truly cares enough to make good on their commitments. This is truly a sad moment for me personally.......
Well, I'm hoping that they will make a turnaround similar to how samsung did. For the past 5 years, I've purposely stayed away from samsung, due to their poor support reputation in the US. That said, they showed their dedication to right the ship, the past 2 years, which is y I'm convinced they can turn it around. it might not b instant, but they can repair all in a few years if they stay dedicated to improvements all around.
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I ask you this, other than the Xoom, Photon Q and "Developers Ed." (I'll go into theDev Ed. in a second). When in Motorola's history have they ever honored their promise to unlock boot loaders? Even on devices that by FCC mandate should have never been locked in the first place. The answer is never.

Now about "Developer Ed." phones. There have been numerous reports of some heavys in the dev community having their brand new Dev. Ed. phones being locked fresh out of the box. The response was more or less "Sorry we can't unlock your phone" in regards to a phone that never should have been locked in the first place.

Source code releases. You may not have an idea as to how many time we as devs have requested source code and it takes months/years to get and in a number of cases it's the wrong source code or is so corrupt that you cannot compile anything from it.

Android Update Alliance. I'm not even going to go into this one.

Photon ICS promise. One of the selling points of the Photon was that it would receive ICS. This was in the sales training guidea and was advertised in a couple places as well. The Photon was EOL'd 6mos after release.

(I could continue to go into more instances where your statement is false however anybody that follows Android already knows what the score is)

I will say this seeing you work at Moto. I have, on a number of occasions tried to reach out to Moto and give them the keys to my kingdom. Many folks and tech news sites thought Webtop was a joke/scam, I improved on it and offered all my work to Moto. Moto's response was to hide traps in each Webtop update or bootloader hash check and ignore the numerous requests by Moto owners worldwide to implement my work. They also have never replied to any contact I have attempted. The closest I have received to any direct contact with Moto was having Mr. Soni +1 a number of alternatives to consider with regards to updates and unlocking bootloaders.
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No joke. While I'll stick with Android and Google, I'm through with Moto.
This abandonment of the atrix and photon specifically happened under Google's control of Moto. Sure I and many other people woudn't feel so screwed over if Moto didn't lock the bootloader in the last maintenance update!

Moto gives great support to their VZW line, outside of that avoid them like they plague, that's all I learn.
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Well I'm attacking the "Official" Atrix forum again. Enjoy the read. Everybody (except for the receiving end) seems to find these types of rants from me funny for some reason. I still can't figure out why. In case it gets removed (like a number of my post the are)

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Your other points may be valid however how "fully developed" are you talking about? THIS has been distributable since, get this, September of last year! Due to the lack of ANY tech blog or news sites reporting on it, it's still not available for OMAP Webtop enabled phones. Canonical has also had a functional demo for some time now.

As far as the Lapdock (and similar) concepts being tossed out. You do realize that the core principle of Webtop and mirroring was commercially pioneered by Toshiba and Dell almost ten years ago. Simply look at the Toshiba E740, VGA output and USB host support. There is also current attempts to make sure this stays in the market with projects like NexPhone. Marketing morons and MBA's making development decisions are mostly to blame for us being no futher along than we were ten years ago.

"almost impossible on a phone to navigate a network file structure " I have been using Samba and NFS for over a year now. Also have had NTFS and EXT working for some time as well. How many other types are needed by the average PC user?

"Real work still requires a pc" Check the link I posted above and let me know what it's missing. I believe you will find that it covers about 90% of average PC usage. Except for a couple base things this was done by one person and almost completely out of pocket.

The tragic part about all this is I had everything together and offered it to Motorola LAST YEAR. All they would have had to have done was checksum sign it and put it in an update.
Webtop didn't fail inspite of Motorola, it failed because of Motorola."
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This whole situation really confuses me. Google made all the OEMs agree to support phones for 18 months. Google has now taken over Motorola so how are they getting out of the commitment they forced on manufacturers?
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Yes, the mythical Android Update Alliance. I covered this over on xda but try to find ANY press release or, well, anything from Google or manufacturers after June/July of 2011. I've searched for hours and have found nothing other than articles asking "So where is it?". All we got was a "hey lets do this" and nothing more. I don't think it was ever finalized.

(request- Can anybody find any of the Photon ads and internal sales training info that references the ICS Update promise from Sprint/Moto and send them to me.)
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I know many of u r uber disappointed, but I still feel the mopho is a fantastic phone.

I am however going to be looking for a volunteer to help me join the rooting world, once I use my final upgrade.
I wish to root my phone too and put JB, key lime pie (i don't know if is right the name) and all new updates. all i have is a step by step video from youtube to root, and is very easy, now all i need is the video of to put JB on it, is the only way to have our phones updated.
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I'm very disapointed with Motorola, i'm a client since 1998, i think. My current cellphone line i have since 2000, from there till now only one phone wasn't motorola and i regreted, sold it quickly to buy a new motorola. Well after motorola get completely to android worldi'm getting trouble, i'm becoming upset with these phones from they. I'm really considering going to samsung instead coz they seems to respecting more ur clients than moto. If motorola doesn't change this attitudes from 2 years from now tops, i won't buy no motophone no more. Motorola stop this! top phones has to receive updates!
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The Photon is a fantastic phone. I love how clear it is when making calls, and the good radios. I love the cardock. I love how I can read the screen in full summer sunlight.

But it would be better with ICS or JB. Because we'll never see those officially, I feel like Moto has stomped on those of us who bought into this phone and stuck by it, users and devs alike. I remember the excitement on various websites when it was announced. I remember eagerly reading posts from the one user who got his hands on a dev version early on and posted first impressions and photos. I remember comparing it to the 3Vo and the ET. The halcyon days.

But it seems Motorola never intended to really support it. It was a one-off experiment away from their home base at Verizon. And now after a few minor updates, they've completely abandoned it and we're left thinking about what could have been.

Oh well. It's still a great phone and a lesson learned for me. I'll credit Moto with that much.
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The Photon is a fantastic phone. I love how clear it is when making calls, and the good radios. I love the cardock. I love how I can read the screen in full summer sunlight.

But it would be better with ICS or JB. Because we'll never see those officially, I feel like Moto has stomped on those of us who bought into this phone and stuck by it, users and devs alike. I remember the excitement on various websites when it was announced. I remember eagerly reading posts from the one user who got his hands on a dev version early on and posted first impressions and photos. I remember comparing it to the 3Vo and the ET. The halcyon days.

But it seems Motorola never intended to really support it. It was a one-off experiment away from their home base at Verizon. And now after a few minor updates, they've completely abandoned it and we're left thinking about what could have been.

Oh well. It's still a great phone and a lesson learned for me. I'll credit Moto with that much.
The halcyon days indeed.I've decided to quit my PHOTON/LAPDOCK habit,cold-turkey,at least for a few days & possibly for good.

I just turned in my PHOTON to BEST BUY for warranty servicing (worn USB/HDMI ports + crack in the frame in-between the ports).
I bought the BUY BACK program when I first bought the phone & the clerk told me if a replacement isn't available within 10 days,they'll put me into a phone of my choosing (w/SPRINT,of course).

W/any luck,I'll be rockin' a SGS3 or EVO 4G LTE real soon,w/o any additional cost out of my pocket.

In the meantime,I'm using a loaner phone from BB,the OG EPIC.............
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The halcyon days indeed.I've decided to quit my PHOTON/LAPDOCK habit,cold-turkey,at least for a few days & possibly for good.

I just turned in my PHOTON to BEST BUY for warranty servicing (worn USB/HDMI ports + crack in the frame in-between the ports).
I bought the BUY BACK program when I first bought the phone & the clerk told me if a replacement isn't available within 10 days,they'll put me into a phone of my choosing (w/SPRINT,of course).

W/any luck,I'll be rockin' a SGS3 or EVO 4G LTE real soon,w/o any additional cost out of my pocket.

In the meantime,I'm using a loaner phone from BB,the OG EPIC.............
Only thing that's preventing me from taking the Buy Back on the Photon is the unlocked sim to use the Photon overseas.
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Exactly. Right now the Photon is literally my only option. I'm pretty well fed up with Sprint at this point due to selection, and Motorola due to well... you know.

<rant>I'm going to seriously consider a move to ATT as soon as contract up. I'll sure miss unlimited data, but sheesh, I can't keep wondering what phone I'll have no choice but to use, or what OS I'll be stuck with. I guess beggars can't be choosers, but is it really so much to ask that I have a flagship, global roaming phone(with REMOVABLE sim card), with update support for more than 12 months? SHEESH. Honestly, with a fully unlocked bootloader FROM Moto or at least OTA JB, I could live in photon bliss for YEARS. WTF MOTOROLA.

ACtually, I'd even be happy with upgrading my phone every 18 months if I felt like Sprint would have a reliable selection in this feature set to choose from every 18 months. Photon Q = FAIL as a replacement to Photon 4g.

Would be stoked if the RAZR I made it to Sprint as a true global phone, but Europe only at this point, and probably will stay that way. USA gets the RAZR M which doesn't look to be global, and the way things typically go will be VZW exclusive. </rant>
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Exactly. Right now the Photon is literally my only option. I'm pretty well fed up with Sprint at this point due to selection, and Motorola due to well... you know.

&lt;rant&gt;I'm going to seriously consider a move to ATT as soon as contract up. I'll sure miss unlimited data, but sheesh, I can't keep wondering what phone I'll have no choice but to use, or what OS I'll be stuck with. I guess beggars can't be choosers, but is it really so much to ask that I have a flagship, global roaming phone(with REMOVABLE sim card), with update support for more than 12 months? SHEESH. Honestly, with a fully unlocked bootloader FROM Moto or at least OTA JB, I could live in photon bliss for YEARS. WTF MOTOROLA.

ACtually, I'd even be happy with upgrading my phone every 18 months if I felt like Sprint would have a reliable selection in this feature set to choose from every 18 months. Photon Q = FAIL as a replacement to Photon 4g.

Would be stoked if the RAZR I made it to Sprint as a true global phone, but Europe only at this point, and probably will stay that way. USA gets the RAZR M which doesn't look to be global, and the way things typically go will be VZW exclusive. &lt;/rant&gt;


Why not T-Mobile, especially w/their unlimited data. My contract w/SPRINT is up 12 months from now & unless SPRINT introduces LTE @ that time, or sooner, I will be re-acquainting myself w/BIG MAGENTA & CARLY(one can dream.....).
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Why not T-Mobile, especially w/their unlimited data. My contract w/SPRINT is up 12 months from now &amp; unless SPRINT introduces LTE @ that time, or sooner, I will be re-acquainting myself w/BIG MAGENTA &amp; CARLY(one can dream.....).

Good call. Tmob has fallen off my radar but should take another look. A GSM carrier is in my future either way. Or maybe I will just keep my photon for travel, and get GS3 for domestic use....
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I know many of u r uber disappointed, but I still feel the mopho is a fantastic phone.

I am however going to be looking for a volunteer to help me join the rooting world, once I use my final upgrade.
I absolutely agree. Hardware wise, the Photon excels against most of the plastic crap that is for sale these days (Samsung phones mostly), not to mention the best radios of any phone that I have used since the old Nokia phones of the 90s.

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Flash the kddi radio and use Straight Talk. As long as your under 3GB a month in data, AT&T's fauxG is faster in than Sprint in a lot of areas. That and it's about $50-60/mo
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I now have a page on my site dedicated information regarding the Google/Moto abandonment of the ICS/JB for the following devices;
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It has links to press coverage, forum threads, Facebook pages. If anybody emails Google/Moto about this or the $100 credit and receives a response please forward it to me via the site. Should legal action be taken the info I am trying to compile will be key.
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Step 1. Notice all those articles that state that the list was changed on October 1st.
Step 2. See proof that it is in fact a lie
Step 3. Use it to your advantage when filing complaints.
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over at moto forums. interesting but hopefully not true.

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e598071946
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over at moto forums. interesting but hopefully not true.

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e598071946
I just need to clarify something.

So, this doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to root, it just means that I wouldn't be able to load a custom ROM, correct?

What about other advantages from rooting, like overclocking the processor and all those goodies? Does the locked bootloader prevent me from doing those also?
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I just need to clarify something.

So, this doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to root, it just means that I wouldn't be able to load a custom ROM, correct?

What about other advantages from rooting, like overclocking the processor and all those goodies? Does the locked bootloader prevent me from doing those also?
You can probably load custom Roms but not custom kernels. Without custom kernels there is no overclocking.
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You can probably load custom Roms but not custom kernels. Without custom kernels there is no overclocking.
Thanks, bb. I want to join the root party once I upgrade because I plan on keeping the MoPho for a while, but I guess I won't get the "entire" experience that I was hoping for.
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I just need to clarify something.

So, this doesn't mean that I wouldn't be able to root, it just means that I wouldn't be able to load a custom ROM, correct?

What about other advantages from rooting, like overclocking the processor and all those goodies? Does the locked bootloader prevent me from doing those also?
2.3.5 came with a bootloader that can't be unlocked so you can root, but can't install a custom recovery which means no roms/kernels/etc. Additionally, you can't downgrade back to 2.3.4 any more as well.
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You can probably load custom Roms but not custom kernels. Without custom kernels there is no overclocking.
You'll be stuck with "locked ROMs" as well, which don't do a whole lot. Mof's 2.3.5ish is probably the most well-known, but there may be a few others. Most developers I've seen focus on fully unlocked ROMs as they have more potential.
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Also, in case you haven't seen it, CNET has a nice little write-up covering the anger Photon and Atrix users are feeling right now. Moto says they would like to provide unlocked bootloaders to end-users if they can work through "carrier issues." Personally I call BS on that, at least for Sprint. Both the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S have ridiculously easy-to-unlock bootloaders, and HTC offers the option on its phones too (I believe). The only think holding Moto back from unlocking the Photon is their own incompetence. I'm not holding out hope.
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As some may know. Both myself (Support My Moto) and julian_fern (Update My Moto) have been pushing it pretty hard. Getting the cnet coverage mentioning both campaign sites has been a help.
I will tell you guys this. If Moto will give us unlock and source, myself and the devs on the Support My Moto team will work together to build everybody a d@mn fine release and worry about our personal releases later.

Like the article says "Update My Moto" is for social networking and "Support My Moto" is for filing complaints and signing petitions. If you want things to change share, file complaints and sign the petitions.

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Also, in case you haven't seen it, CNET has a nice little write-up covering the anger Photon and Atrix users are feeling right now. Moto says they would like to provide unlocked bootloaders to end-users if they can work through "carrier issues." Personally I call BS on that, at least for Sprint. Both the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S have ridiculously easy-to-unlock bootloaders, and HTC offers the option on its phones too (I believe). The only think holding Moto back from unlocking the Photon is their own incompetence. I'm not holding out hope.
Exactly, this whole mess is on Motorola. They screwed up somewhere and are now just trying to pass the blame.
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Exactly, this whole mess is on Motorola. They screwed up somewhere and are now just trying to pass the blame.
Yep, we can blame both Motorola and Sprint but since the update never left Motorola for Sprint testing, this one is Motorola's fault. I am guessing they had problems in testing and not everything was working right so they just didn't want to spend the time and money to finish the update rather than build a crappy, dirty update like the Droid RAZR.
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Guys help me understand something. I read that a 95% complete version of (jb or ICS - cant remember) leaked. Does that mean that the Photon roms on XDA (AOKP) are fully functional? The one ROM states no camcorder but didnt see anything about 4G -

Just trying to understand what has been leaked, and what it has done for Photon owners if anything.

Can we hope for a Photon specific leak? Are people giving up at this point?
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Most ROMs require that you unlock the bootloader which breaks 4G, so always add 4G to that "not working" list.

As far as the Atrix leak. There's some useful stuff in the files but it will take some time before devs get it in their ROMs. Then a little bit more time till some of that stuff is moved over to the Photon.

Without an official unlock from Moto, don't expect working 4G anytime soon.
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Many of you may not know me. I'm sure many of you do...may even use my work.

My favorite mis-truth by Motorola during this entire process is that ICS/JB "do not perform to acceptable levels on the device". I find it hard to believe that Moto's devs have an innate ability to create a good, stable ICS/JB build for the Photon or Atrix. As proof of this, I submit the following:

ABOUT ME:

I am a 34 year old PHARMACIST. I have NEVER been trained in or taken a course in computers (save for a typing course in High School). I dabbled with linux, and until I joined XDA in Feb 2012, I had never even owned an Android powered device. The MOST involved thing I had done till then was install Arch Linux on my PC.

I have 7 builds of Jellybean for each of the Photon and Atrix. AOKP, CM10, CNA, MIUI.us, MIUIAndroid, XenonHD, and Paranoid Android. Come to think of it I think the Photon an Atrix are one of a very few devices on XDA to have 5 roms each built on Android 4.1.2 (JZ054K).

With the exception of some GL driver related issues (video camera not functional, stutter/lag on home screen, write screen on navigation issue), they are nearly fully functional.

When I compare "Performance" between my wife's stock Photon and mine based on ANY of my JB builds, I am amazed that anyone could say that it is "not acceptable". So, they are saying that the performance of the Stock GB build IS acceptable. To that, I say this:
1) How is a 90+ second boot-up process on a Dual-Core 1GB Ram device acceptable (GB Stock) when it can boot up in about 25 seconds or less (JB ROMs)?
2) How is it acceptable that the stock camera has a terrible lag between the shutter press and the taking of the picture (lest we even talk about the time it takes for the device to shoot a SECOND picture). I can take 5 pictures (all clear) in the time my wife takes 2 with hers
3) How is it acceptable that my wife should have nearly no service in Target (or any big box store) while I still have 3 bars?
4) How is it acceptable that the stock GB build only sees the address of my BT headset, while my MIUI builds actually see the NAME I designated it and can tell me the charge level?!?

Interesting...looks like my builds seem to be ahead in performance...now to compare the people making the builds
1) Me-Pharmacist with No Computer training
2) Them-Team of trained, educated Software Engineers

Yet they can't get it working to "acceptable levels"?!?!

Hmmm...interesting...somehow it just stinks to the heavens of BuLL$***
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90+ second boot-up time? Man, I wish. Mine takes a good 4-5 minutes from cold boot to full usability (widgets all loaded). Of course, it's probably swimming in cruft.

Anyway, although I have not done anything with my Photon beyond rooting it, I fully appreciate the work you, Joker, Lokifish, mof, Shabby, and all of the other devs have put into the Photon. It never had the broad appeal (or manufacturer support) of the GS3 or even an HTC phone, but nonetheless you guys keep plugging away at it. Good luck in your continued efforts, one day I hope to take advantage of them!
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90+ second boot-up time? Man, I wish. Mine takes a good 4-5 minutes from cold boot to full usability (widgets all loaded). Of course, it's probably swimming in cruft.

Anyway, although I have not done anything with my Photon beyond rooting it, I fully appreciate the work you, Joker, Lokifish, mof, Shabby, and all of the other devs have put into the Photon. It never had the broad appeal (or manufacturer support) of the GS3 or even an HTC phone, but nonetheless you guys keep plugging away at it. Good luck in your continued efforts, one day I hope to take advantage of them!
I was being kind..trying to show respect to the device that I love.

For the most part, Loki and I are the only ones still trucking on the Photon. Haven't seen Shabby on it in a while (or Mof that I recall..though his rom did help me update profile last night when I put the Photon on my daughter's line). Joker's had a bad year, and has taken some time away...

Photon got screwed because Sprint and Moto never really have been partners like Moto and Verizon or ATT. Due to that, the S2 got all the hype and the Photon got the shaft.

I actually bought an S2 yesterday...nice phone...has ICS official....but it feels like a kids plastic toy compared to the Photon, and the fit and finish just isn't what the Photon is. I will be using it, as it's more fully functional, but I plan to continue devving on the Photon and Atrix.
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How do you install the Google Calender App on an 8 month old Tegra2 Moto?

You hit it with a hammer and by a 2 year old HTC Incredible S!
(Out of 44 phones released by major manufacturers in 2011 that have been upgraded to ICS or better, only two are Moto's. This isn't even including the Nexus line. HTC, LG, Samsung and even ZTE, of all people, seem to be able to upgrade their Tegra2 phone to ICS. WTF Moto!)
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Well, Motorola was at least nice enough to shake our hand before sticking us with a knife. They just updated the list of devices getting the $100 credit, which the Photon was included in, and the list of eligible devices to upgrade to, the Photon Q. What a joke.

Motorola Provides List of Eligible Devices For $100 Trade-In Program – Updates Jelly Bean Release Schedule As Well
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Well, Motorola was at least nice enough to shake our hand before sticking us with a knife. They just updated the list of devices getting the $100 credit, which the Photon was included in, and the list of eligible devices to upgrade to, the Photon Q. What a joke.

Motorola Provides List of Eligible Devices For $100 Trade-In Program Ė Updates Jelly Bean Release Schedule As Well
If I weren't keeping the phone as a dedicated media player/backup phone/international phone, I would have asked for cash instead... Lol... The option to switch to the Q is such a joke. Best Buy already had a deal going offering it for 50 bux a couple weeks ago.

I still love the mopho, even though it's been tossed to the side like an old stripper, but Google better intervene within the next year, if they want to win people back.
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Well, Motorola was at least nice enough to shake our hand before sticking us with a knife. They just updated the list of devices getting the $100 credit, which the Photon was included in, and the list of eligible devices to upgrade to, the Photon Q. What a joke.

Motorola Provides List of Eligible Devices For $100 Trade-In Program – Updates Jelly Bean Release Schedule As Well

Don't you mean a "REACH AROUND" before they stuck something else somewhere else?
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Follow the main Support My Moto thread on xda as i'm working on some things and wiil need feedback from you guys
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I emailed moto. I yelled at them for selling me a product were they couldn't keep there promise...

Me: In lieu of no further updates to the Motorola Photon, I will be staying away from your company products. Motorola promised an update to a current Android system and then decided it wouldn't be cost effective to update the phone anymore. Well, I will not be spending anymore money on Motorola products again. I will switch to Samsung or HTC. Thanks for the false hope. I hope Motorola realizes what they are doing to customers.


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Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. Iíve reviewed your e-mail and Iím ready to help.

I understand how you feel and I apologize for the inconvenience.

We are always gathering input from owners from calls, e-mails, the Web and other sources. We do apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and want to assure you that Motorola does value your feedback. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department for any further research.

Motorola Mobility continues to review how each device can deliver the very best experience possible, and at times, this can mean making tough choices - especially as it relates to Android software upgrades. Today, we need to let you know about some tough choices related to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades. The Motorola Photon remain on Gingerbread (Android 2.3), but continue to be supported with maintenance releases to ensure optimum performance for the consumer.

We are committed to being more transparent than ever on our software upgrade strategy - even when weíre delivering news consumers may not want to hear. We are doing everything possible to continually improve our communication with you and make sure you are a satisfied customer. Thatís why we recently announced our $100 rebate program for owners of these and other devices launched in 2011 and beyond that wonít get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.

We will announce if it will be expanded to include older devices. Specific instructions will be posted within the next few weeks. Be sure to register at Mobile Phone Trade Up - Swap Cell Phone - Motorola Mobility, Inc. USA so you can be sure to receive an update when details are posted.

You can also visit https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c for the update schedule.

We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.

For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at Motorola Home - Motorola USA

Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.

Best Regards,



ME:
Thank you for your cut and copy response. $100 off a $500 phone is still peanuts, that won't encourage me into be lured into another phone with Motorola.


Them:
We respect that and my apologies for the inconvenience.

I would also feel the same way if I am on your end.

Rest assured that everything on our end is documented and recorded so this request will not be taken for granted.

Let me also provide you a 10% discount on your next purchase of any item from the Motorola website.

We appreciate your selection of a Motorola product and thank you for contacting our customer support call center.

Please accept this coupon code "CSAT10OFF"** for a 10% discount on new Motorola phones or accessories at our on-line store Motorola Mobility LLC. USA. (Please note the coupon code will expire after 1 month). The on-line store offers many different new Motorola phones and accessories.

** Not valid for activated phone sales or downloaded software.

We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.

For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at Motorola Home - Motorola USA

Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.

Best Regards,



10%...whoop-d-doo...
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I emailed moto. I yelled at them for selling me a product were they couldn't keep there promise...

Me: In lieu of no further updates to the Motorola Photon, I will be staying away from your company products. Motorola promised an update to a current Android system and then decided it wouldn't be cost effective to update the phone anymore. Well, I will not be spending anymore money on Motorola products again. I will switch to Samsung or HTC. Thanks for the false hope. I hope Motorola realizes what they are doing to customers.


Them:
Thanks for reaching out to Motorola. Iíve reviewed your e-mail and Iím ready to help.

I understand how you feel and I apologize for the inconvenience.

We are always gathering input from owners from calls, e-mails, the Web and other sources. We do apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and want to assure you that Motorola does value your feedback. We open a record for all consumer contacts which are then routed to the proper department for any further research.

Motorola Mobility continues to review how each device can deliver the very best experience possible, and at times, this can mean making tough choices - especially as it relates to Android software upgrades. Today, we need to let you know about some tough choices related to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades. The Motorola Photon remain on Gingerbread (Android 2.3), but continue to be supported with maintenance releases to ensure optimum performance for the consumer.

We are committed to being more transparent than ever on our software upgrade strategy - even when weíre delivering news consumers may not want to hear. We are doing everything possible to continually improve our communication with you and make sure you are a satisfied customer. Thatís why we recently announced our $100 rebate program for owners of these and other devices launched in 2011 and beyond that wonít get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.

We will announce if it will be expanded to include older devices. Specific instructions will be posted within the next few weeks. Be sure to register at Mobile Phone Trade Up - Swap Cell Phone - Motorola Mobility, Inc. USA so you can be sure to receive an update when details are posted.

You can also visit https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c for the update schedule.

We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.

For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at Motorola Home - Motorola USA

Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.

Best Regards,



ME:
Thank you for your cut and copy response. $100 off a $500 phone is still peanuts, that won't encourage me into be lured into another phone with Motorola.


Them:
We respect that and my apologies for the inconvenience.

I would also feel the same way if I am on your end.

Rest assured that everything on our end is documented and recorded so this request will not be taken for granted.

Let me also provide you a 10% discount on your next purchase of any item from the Motorola website.

We appreciate your selection of a Motorola product and thank you for contacting our customer support call center.

Please accept this coupon code "CSAT10OFF"** for a 10% discount on new Motorola phones or accessories at our on-line store Motorola Mobility LLC. USA. (Please note the coupon code will expire after 1 month). The on-line store offers many different new Motorola phones and accessories.

** Not valid for activated phone sales or downloaded software.

We hope that you find this information useful and we look forward to assisting you in the future.

For information about Motorola products and services, please visit us at Motorola Home - Motorola USA

Thank you for contacting Motorola e-mail support.

Best Regards,



10%...whoop-d-doo...
10 % of nothing is...... nothing. I wont be sending a single dollar to that company. I just harass them on twitter. They reach out to a customer, I step in and crash the moment.
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