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Old July 20th, 2011, 07:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone having GPS issues with their Triumph? The phone can only pick up my location when I have network location on as well. GPS by itself doesn't ever find me. My Optimus V never had an issue getting an exact lock on my location.

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Anyone having GPS issues with their Triumph? The phone can only pick up my location when I have network location on as well. GPS by itself doesn't ever find me. My Optimus V never had an issue getting an exact lock on my location.
You literally wrote this seconds before I could edit a post I did to include this as a possible issue - great minds think alike
Yeah, major issue with the GPS broad earlier today - she was sending me on a second U-ey before I caught on, so I blessed her out in two languages.
Anywho- will try to dupe this tomorrow, but I have to say that I am getting so many (intermittent) service interruptions between here and my school that I'd almost preliminarily chalk it up to VM/Sprint futzing with the towers. Again.
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Two phone reboots thus far using GPS...
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Takes ~2minutes to get a GPS fix. Either the GPS receiver has poor sensitivity (hardware issue) or A-GPS is not working properly.

My Optimus V almost always got a GPS fix within 5 seconds.
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I thought enabling GPS in the 'radio control' widget was enough to turn on GPS, but it turns out you need to toggle something else.

Go into Settings > Location & security settings > and check 'Use Wireless networks'. This setting is necessary for wi-fi AS WELL AS mobile networks.

I'm a street off when I tried it in my house but I never tried outdoors yet.
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I had GPS issues with all apps until I let Google Maps sit for a while (about 10 minutes) to download the GPS data and I can now lock on GPS in seconds in all of my apps. This is typical of A-GPS chips that need to download satellite info for the first time. Same thing happened with my Blackberry Playbook.
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I thought enabling GPS in the 'radio control' widget was enough to turn on GPS, but it turns out you need to toggle something else.

Go into Settings > Location & security settings > and check 'Use Wireless networks'. This setting is necessary for wi-fi AS WELL AS mobile networks.

I'm a street off when I tried it in my house but I never tried outdoors yet.
You shouldn't have to enable "Use Wireless Networks" in order to get a GPS lock. The wireless network option is there only to assist in acquiring that initial fix while the GPS locks on, especially indoors where satellites aren't able to penetrate as easily so it takes longer to get a signal lock.
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I had GPS issues with all apps until I let Google Maps sit for a while (about 10 minutes) to download the GPS data and I can now lock on GPS in seconds in all of my apps. This is typical of A-GPS chips that need to download satellite info for the first time. Same thing happened with my Blackberry Playbook.
I agree that should be the case but it isn't on my phone. I've let the phone sit and eventually get a GPS fix and let the navigation app run for a while but it still takes minutes to get a fix each time. I gave up after a few minutes earlier today. It seems like it needs to get a fresh fix every time and not able to utilize the assisted location information to get quicker GPS fixes. I think this is a sw issue.
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Anyone having GPS issues with their Triumph? The phone can only pick up my location when I have network location on as well. GPS by itself doesn't ever find me. My Optimus V never had an issue getting an exact lock on my location.
Absolutely none. 1st try using GPS Test locked up 7 of 7 satts in view in 10-20s, HOWEVER one thing that I DID notice is that accuracy was MUCH improved IF the MT was in a VERTICAL position as opposed to a HORIZONTAL position.

36.6' v. 6.1' acc. (stable) The VERTICAL position was actually quite a bit better than my OV ever did and closer to my Garmin GPS Map which incidentally won't get ANY satt locks in the house UNLESS placed on a N facing window sill, and it still takes it about 1m or so to lock up the same 7...
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I wonder if this is a hardware issue or something that can be fixed with a software update.
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yeah, I can't get my GPS to work at all. Never had a problem with Optimus V. This phone is turning out to be crappier and crappier as I use it. Touch screen stops working frequently too
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yeah, I can't get my GPS to work at all. Never had a problem with Optimus V. This phone is turning out to be crappier and crappier as I use it. Touch screen stops working frequently too
If you have non-working GPS, you got a lemon period as the vast majority of us have no GPS problem, sounds like you also got a problematic touchscreen as well...

my OV you to stop respong and screw around with itself fairly frequently whereas with the MT it's only happened when I've loaded it down doing things, esp. on the first day when I was having it go through downloading and installing 180 apps...
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GPS is extremely flunky atm - worked the other day, cannot find my position today at about the same location. Hard to tell - everything else on my unit works as expected. I am going to try enabling GPS to check in with other apps, or try another GPS app and see if there's a problem with Maps/Navigation.

One thing to note: On battery consumption, Google MAPS reports that it is the consumer of 96% PERCENT of my battery. Not cool, as everything else is consuming very minimal resources, and otherwise battery life might be even better than OV. Mind you GPS was toggled off all day when I generated this data. Will do another battery report and GPS test tomorrow and cross my fingers.
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I'm having issues as well, and I've read on other forums of many people having issues with it. Sometimes it takes 5-10 minutes for GPS to locate my position, and sometimes it never locks on at all. It always locked on in seconds on my V.
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Just saw something on HowardForums about using the GPSFix app from the Market. Using Maps, I was able to lock on to my location instantly.
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Just saw something on HowardForums about using the GPSFix app from the Market. Using Maps, I was able to lock on to my location instantly.
Thanks for the heads up. Used this app and it seems to be working so far.
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While mine is working fast and I put it next to the OV which I booted up again this morning to specifically test this. OV locks a little faster, but MT still is more accurate and the compass is more sensitive.

Another thing that I noted is that with maps, GPS seemed to lock a bit faster IF use WiFi was turned off in the location settings...
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Just saw something on HowardForums about using the GPSFix app from the Market. Using Maps, I was able to lock on to my location instantly.
FINALLY got a GPS fix outside my house - the signal there was notoriously week with the OV and nonexistent with the Triump until this app.n I will say it took almost a minute for a fix, but that's better than no fix at all. Thanks again.
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posted the following in the general issues, but worth noting here too.

My Main issue is GPS.

- 3 times it overheated using GPS while mounted on windshield, phone would simply refuse to charge when phone temp went over 43oC. Outside temp was between 90-95oF and sunny.
- Phone gets very hot just simply using the GPS
- Cant get a GPS lock at all indoors
- Looses GPS lock while driving, Db ratio for even 7 sat locks is medicore
- Whenever it tries to lock in GPS, data gets dropped from 3G to 1X like there is interference between them

I think the phone is working very hard to get and keep the GPS signal, which is causing so many other issues.

OV GPS made the phone warm and I even had a silicone case on it and never exp these kind of issues with it.

Course of action, going to get a replacement unit and hope for the best.
Just hoping I am not going to fix GPS issue and get 10 new different issues from the replacement.
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my phone was giving issues with the GPS , but latley it locks on in less than 30 seconds. im pretty stocked now.. i use the GPS for traffic jams....for i have an hour comute home from Sillycon valley to the Farm lands of Cali.
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- Whenever it tries to lock in GPS, data gets dropped from 3G to 1X like there is interference between them
I've noticed this as well.

Also, I've tried several of the speed test apps. Whenever I use one that turns the GPS on while it runs the test, I get very low speeds. When I use "open signal" (which doesn't use GPS during the speed test) I get much higher speeds. Definitely seems like there could be some kind of interference between data and GPS.
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For me it works fine if I have GPS enabled and do a location or driving directions search in Google Maps and then click the little Navigate triangle icon in Google Maps. It goes right away into Nav and starts talking. It works perfectly. But if I launch into Navigate from the start it just won't work. I guess this is a really crazy workaround - but that's okay with me as I don't have any other major issues yet.
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I was having issues with my GPS as well. It wouldn't lock on at all. I then did some searching around and found that you can edit your gps.conf file if you're rooted, so I did that.

I added a few NTP servers for the US to that file and changed the single one that was there and my gps locks instantly now, without wireless location turned on. I can post more details if anyone is interested, but it's for root users so this is the wrong section to post it in.
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My GPS wasn't working at all until I turned on "Use Wireless Networks" in Settings>Location & Security settings>My Location

I'm not quite sure what this means, and I haven't used it outside of my home yet, but it is working for now. Thought I'd throw that out there.
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FINALLY got a GPS fix outside my house - the signal there was notoriously week with the OV and nonexistent with the Triump until this app.n I will say it took almost a minute for a fix, but that's better than no fix at all. Thanks again.
Per a google thread that discusses some people having issues with Maps battery consumption (or false reporting, depending on who you believe) - uninstalled updates, reinstalled after hard reset and....a whole day without a charge and still 60% left. WOOHEE.
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Can't get a lock on my location either. Very frustrating since my Optimus V was almost instant.
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My GPS locks in a max of 60 seconds. Sometimes it locks right away, but most of the time it's between 30 and 60 seconds.
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posted the following in the general issues, but worth noting here too.

My Main issue is GPS.

- 3 times it overheated using GPS while mounted on windshield, phone would simply refuse to charge when phone temp went over 43oC. Outside temp was between 90-95oF and sunny.
- Phone gets very hot just simply using the GPS
- Cant get a GPS lock at all indoors
- Looses GPS lock while driving, Db ratio for even 7 sat locks is medicore
- Whenever it tries to lock in GPS, data gets dropped from 3G to 1X like there is interference between them

I think the phone is working very hard to get and keep the GPS signal, which is causing so many other issues.

OV GPS made the phone warm and I even had a silicone case on it and never exp these kind of issues with it.

Course of action, going to get a replacement unit and hope for the best.
Just hoping I am not going to fix GPS issue and get 10 new different issues from the replacement.
I am seeing the same issues as this. It dropped from 100% charged to like 76% charged after using GPS for an hour because it got so warm it would not charge itself. It also would drop from 3g to 1x almost all the time when using GPS. Mine is going back until they fix these issues.
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Just did a quick 30 minutes gps test. Started out at 64% battery, 92f temp. Satellite lock within 2 minutes, went to 1x twice but for only 1-2 seconds then back to 3g with bar signal variations from none to full but never lost sat lock. At destination with 47% battery and 97f temp. Accurate as my Dinc estimate at within 15'.

Just me, I rarely mount the phone on the dashboard when sunny, once sat lock achieved. I place my phone down on the center console or seat, have never lost sat lock doing it.
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Why don't you guys try this. I did it and while my results aren't as good as the OP I'm still locking in about 30 seconds

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Well, this shows objectively how the OV is sitting there locked with several satellites, and the MT is laboring.

Can one make those changes pointed out by the other poster to the config file without being rooted? Can one use for example, MyPhoneExplorer to explore the system files, presumably over-write one?

I too would not want to root the phone just to fix the GPS, but I'm very temped as I'm always getting lost, and I miss the performance of my Samsung Intercept's GPS sub-system!
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Ok, this is most definitely software and not a hardware issue. I had not been able to connect with GPS at all since I got the phone last week. Not even after letting it search for over 20 minutes a try. I was just about to walk out the door to return the phone when I read another comment about GPSfix so with no luck I thought I would give it a try. After the GPSfix failure I decided to make one last attempt with the App that followed GPSfix on my Market search for the App. Anyhow I installed A-GPS Injector and the dozen times I used the GPS after the installation has it made a connection but the connections are made instantaneous. The App did cost me a buck but I’ll get over it.
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I've had hit or miss with the GPS lock, even with the use of GPSfix. I'm not really sure what the issue is, but klehman, if you could test this over the course of a couple weeks and then respond, that would be appreciated.

I guess we also had some issues with solar flares and GPS interference, so I always did my GPS testing with my Optimus V and Triumph side-by-side. The OV has basically been perfect with GPS lock in less than 2 seconds, 100% of the time (even indoors).
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I've had hit or miss with the GPS lock, even with the use of GPSfix. I'm not really sure what the issue is, but klehman, if you could test this over the course of a couple weeks and then respond, that would be appreciated.

I guess we also had some issues with solar flares and GPS interference, so I always did my GPS testing with my Optimus V and Triumph side-by-side. The OV has basically been perfect with GPS lock in less than 2 seconds, 100% of the time (even indoors).
The radios in this phone are inferior to the V,that is the reason i returned it and went back to the V,pretty sad for a 300 dollar phone.
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there is a gps outage in new york state.... supposedly has something to do with the new google maps (according to VZW)

also a rumor that VZW screwed up the gps with an update to their cell tower software ( this seems more logical to me )
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