So basically i need a netbook type thing, but I'd like a 3.0 tablet. The Slider has a keyboard, but the Xoom looks better all-round, and i could get a blutooth keyboard. Help?
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So basically i need a netbook type thing, but I'd like a 3.0 tablet. The Slider has a keyboard, but the Xoom looks better all-round, and i could get a blutooth keyboard. Help?
You pretty much gave yourself the answer: 'you like the 3.0 tablet and looks better all around plus as you said bluetooth keyboard for the win :-)
I am semi on the fence. At the very least I am waiting for the WiFi only model. I decided I do not need the 3G model as I can tether it to my phone anywhere.
But I am also partially waiting for the Toshiba - which is releasing their wifi model this spring. Interestingly they are going wifi only first before 3G.
Why do I prefer the Toshiba?
- On paper specs - it sounds a little better.
- Full size USB and HDMI.
- I believe USB host and its not clear if the Xoom will ever have USB Host.
- Toshiba has enhanced the graphics further still
- I like the rubber back
- Replaceable battery - just in case
Other than the above I think the Toshiba is about the same as the Xoom. However, i have not crossed the Xoom off my list. It looks very sweet and it stays on my short list. Depending on how the Toshiba plays out or the timing of releases will play into which I buy.
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But I am also partially waiting for the Toshiba - which is releasing their wifi model this spring. Interestingly they are going wifi only first before 3G.
Why do I prefer the Toshiba?
- On paper specs - it sounds a little better.
- Full size USB and HDMI.
- I believe USB host and its not clear if the Xoom will ever have USB Host.
- Toshiba has enhanced the graphics further still
- I like the rubber back
- Replaceable battery - just in case
Other than the above I think the Toshiba is about the same as the Xoom.
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I'm with ya man! You should have started a new post for the Xoom or Toshiba. Alot of talk about how wonderful it is to be and early adopter. While Toshiba sits back and fine tunes some of the faults of the Xoom. It's the little things that bug me on the Xoom. The Toshiba may be the sleep Ipad Killer now the Apple has shown their hand.
Not bad spec on should drop any time now.
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I'm with ya man! You should have started a new post for the Xoom or Toshiba. Alot of talk about how wonderful it is to be and early adopter. While Toshiba sits back and fine tunes some of the faults of the Xoom. It's the little things that bug me on the Xoom. The Toshiba may be the sleep Ipad Killer now the Apple has shown their hand.
Not bad spec on should drop any time now.
But than you have nothing for who knows how long. As they say "if you're waiting for the latest and greatest, you'll be in perpepual waiting because the latest and greatest is always around the corner."
We get the latest toys at my job. I'll try to get a XOOM if I can demonstrate and justify that it can work for us.
Right now,I have an iPad and will be getting the iPad 2(from work). I also had the Galaxy Tab for a month.
We will be waiting for the wifi XOOM or the Galaxy 10.1
The thing I am concerned about right now are:
Cisco VPN access and decent SSH/RDP/X11 apps.
I need something that has a good terminal emulator and RDP client.
All the ones I've tried on the 7" Galaxy TAB and rooted NOOKCOLOR (running Honeycomb) pretty much blows.
I like how iSSH is customized for the IPad's full screen. ConnectBOT just scales on the TAB/NOOK.
Anyone know an RDP client that works with Red Hat, Ubuntu or CentOS's implementation of XRDP?
I've tried all the ones on the market and they seem to only work with Window's implementation of RDP.
If there is no RDP client,how about an X Client on Android. It has been a good 3 years since the first HTC G1 and there is still no decent X client.
Lastly, considering Android is LINUX and open-source based. How about a TABLET mySQL client? I still can't believe iOS is leaps and bounds better in this regards considering iOS' closed eco-system.
I really like to get a XOOM from work but if I can't justify it, we'll just order more iPads because they are known to work.
We get the latest toys at my job. I'll try to get a XOOM if I can demonstrate and justify that it can work for us.
Right now,I have an iPad and will be getting the iPad 2(from work). I also had the Galaxy Tab for a month.
We will be waiting for the wifi XOOM or the Galaxy 10.1
The thing I am concerned about right now are:
Cisco VPN access and decent SSH/RDP/X11 apps.
Cisco VPN clients are notoriously incompatible with newer OSes, unless you're using AnyConnect or a simple SSL VPN. Wouldn't expect much there...
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I need something that has a good terminal emulator and RDP client.
All the ones I've tried on the 7" Galaxy TAB and rooted NOOKCOLOR (running Honeycomb) pretty much blows.
I like how iSSH is customized for the IPad's full screen. ConnectBOT just scales on the TAB/NOOK.
I haven't used any terminal emus on iOS; what's the trouble with ConnectBot?
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Anyone know an RDP client that works with Red Hat, Ubuntu or CentOS's implementation of XRDP?
I've tried all the ones on the market and they seem to only work with Window's implementation of RDP.
That's strange; even Windows' RDP client works with XRDP servers just fine. What kind of problem do you have with the connection?
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If there is no RDP client,how about an X Client on Android. It has been a good 3 years since the first HTC G1 and there is still no decent X client.
Wouldn't X be terribly slow over a mobile network (I don't even want to use it on a large LAN or land-based broadband VPN connection)? Maybe you could just use VNC tunneled through SSH for security, or something like Citrix, for which there appears to be a client.
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Lastly, considering Android is LINUX and open-source based. How about a TABLET mySQL client? I still can't believe iOS is leaps and bounds better in this regards considering iOS' closed eco-system.
A tablet MySQL client? Think I would just use phpMyAdmin or ssh for something like that, that's not really the kind of thing I would use a tablet for unless it had a web front-end such as phpMyAdmin. I think that's expecting a liiiiiittle bit much...
Cisco VPN clients are notoriously incompatible with newer OSes, unless you're using AnyConnect or a simple SSL VPN. Wouldn't expect much there...
They work for us using iOS.
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I haven't used any terminal emus on iOS; what's the trouble with ConnectBot?
As for ConnectBOT, it blows. See screenshot attachments. Not tablet optimized. Screenshot from Galaxy TAB.
No ability to tab, no function keys, no cursor up,left,down. Say you want to re-run a previous command, you do it with 'arrow-up' on the iPad.
There is a limitation w/ the Android virtual keyboard.
See iPad version. you can have a transparent keyboard and toggle soft keys for CTRL, TAB, arrows, etc.. You can clearly see the iPad app is tablet optimized.
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That's strange; even Windows' RDP client works with XRDP servers just fine. What kind of problem do you have with the connection?
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Wouldn't X be terribly slow over a mobile network (I don't even want to use it on a large LAN or land-based broadband VPN connection)? Maybe you could just use VNC tunneled through SSH for security, or something like Citrix, for which there appears to be a client.
I've tried 2x, PocketCloud, Remote RDP Lite, Remote Desktop (by Kolawski Damion), and many others.
None of them work with Linux XRDP. Windows RDP yes, Linux xRDP no. Redhat 5.2, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 10.10.
If you know any that works, I'm all ears.
We use tablets as a laptop/ X-terminal replacement on-site at clients. With a bluetooth keyboard, they replace laptops for us.
The X-client bandwith is not an issue. We have Solaris apps that only run in X. Forwarding a 320x240 GUI app doesn't take much bandwitdh versus loading up an entire VNC/RDP session.
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A tablet MySQL client? Think I would just use phpMyAdmin or ssh for something like that, that's not really the kind of thing I would use a tablet for unless it had a web front-end such as phpMyAdmin. I think that's expecting a liiiiiittle bit much...
As for mySQL, that is a preference. I'd use the command line client (see my screenshot) but without the softkeys, they do me no good.
Our mySQL servers don't run PHP so phpmyadmin.
Tried to buy new ipad2 last night at Best Buy but the line was out the door and around the block, amazing, while I was in the store playing with one they announced that they had sold out. As much as I like my android phone, the ipad2 just seems so much smoother & user friendly than either the xoom and tab, the ligher feel, rounded corners, just a beautiful machine, ipad2 right now really has no competition in the tablet market. I asked a few in line if they thought about the xoom and they just laughed and said you aren't serious are you....got to give props to Apple, their market and industrial design are both 2nd to none....I guess I will have to wait a few weeks till the hysteria blows over but they are now estimating that ipad2 will sell double what original ipad sold, also heard ipad3 will be shipping in sept with new processor...
I get so annoyed when ppl say how smooth the ipad is over android.. if android was just icons and wasent so customizable it would prolly be the same...so I guess do you want your screen how you want it or how mr skinny wants it..I choose how I want it.
I dunno though, the smoothness is kind of a factor for me. The iPad 2 feels extremely solid and fast, whereas with the Xoom I could "feel" that burden of multitasking and the live wallpaper running. The display also appears a little duller. I almost bit on one last night when I went for an iPad 2 and they were out, but the iPad 2 really made an impression on me.
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I backed up against the fence when I found out that 720p movies play like more like a slideshow than a movie. Then when I saw the benchmarks vs. the iPad-2, I hopped the fence and ran away. The iPad-2 just destroyed it.
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I saw the Toshiba tablet, not bad but I'm not in the market for a 10" tablet. I've had Toshiba laptops in the past and just got a new one, they're pretty decent quality compared to other brands that I've owned (IBM, Acer, Dell, Sony, etc) but the support is almost non-existent so keep that in mind when you get a Toshiba tablet.
I saw the Asus tablet pictures a couple months ago, the one with the detachable keyboard is a great idea, much like the Palm Pilot with detachable keybard 10 years ago, that one would sell pretty well.
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I've been saving my tax return money to get a tablet. I want something to read PDF's, web browsing, and stat-keeping for Role playing. Vendetta is also something I enjoy on my PC and would like to play on a tablet I purchase.
iPad is out- I need Flash and don't have iTunes.
Xoom WiFi looks like the logical choice. Especially if the Sam's Club $540 price is legit.
However, with the announcement of the new Samsung 10.1 (and 8.9) tablets, I don't know what to do.
Pros of Xoom -
Already Out
Vanilla Honeycomb
Pros of Samsung
Slimmer
Lighter
However, I want apps too, so I have questions for you Xoom'ers.
Have any new tablet apps come out since the initial few? I'd like to see a rate of growth of apps... if the growth is so slow that there won't really be any good ones until June anyway (the date the Samsung ones are coming out... right?), then the Samsung is a no brainer. But if there are new tablet apps daily, then the Xoom looks like the better choice.
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Apologies for my ignorance... but how many were there when the tablet was released a few weeks ago?
There were 16 apps at release and 36 now. Byy June there will be hundreds if not thousands. A few things to consider. The Xoom is made out of cast aluminum and the Galaxy Tab is made from slippery plastic. The Xoom will have updates LONG before the Samsung tablets will because of that damn touchwiz. Samsung support is the worst in the industry. Pray you don't ever have to call Samsung for a warranty issue. Why wait months when you can have a great tablet now that will be honed into the perfect tablet by the time the other Tablets come out. Also correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the Galaxy 8.9 and 10.1 DO NOT have a USB port.
There were 16 apps at release and 36 now. Byy June there will be hundreds if not thousands. A few things to consider. The Xoom is made out of cast aluminum and the Galaxy Tab is made from slippery plastic. The Xoom will have updates LONG before the Samsung tablets will because of that damn touchwiz. Samsung support is the worst in the industry. Pray you don't ever have to call Samsung for a warranty issue. Why wait months when you can have a great tablet now that will be honed into the perfect tablet by the time the other Tablets come out. Also correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the Galaxy 8.9 and 10.1 DO NOT have a USB port.
All very true. I had a G1, then Nexus One, so I love me some vanilla Android. I don't know if I'd like this "touchwiz" nonsense.
I'll probably get the Wifi Xoom... but damn, Flash needs to get out of Beta state on it and the USB host/microSD need to start working, stat.
So Phandroid puts up a rumor that LG may be making a Nexus tablet. If this rumor is true, why did I buy the Xoom? I assumed that the Xoom was the "nexus" of Honeycomb. The only reason why I even bought the Xoom was because of this assumption.
If this rumor is true, I believe there will be a lot of upset Xoom owners. What do you guys think?
So Phandroid puts up a rumor that LG may be making a Nexus tablet. If this rumor is true, why did I buy the Xoom? I assumed that the Xoom was the "nexus" of Honeycomb. The only reason why I even bought the Xoom was because of this assumption.
If this rumor is true, I believe there will be a lot of upset Xoom owners. What do you guys think?
Hm. Well, we'll have to see what they come up with and a time frame. The one big thing for me right now is the screen/bezel size, so I'm keeping an eye on what's out there. I am very glad I have the Xoom right now, I'm more concerned with getting everything working for Honeycomb than anything else, so we'll see.
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So Phandroid puts up a rumor that LG may be making a Nexus tablet. If this rumor is true, why did I buy the Xoom? I assumed that the Xoom was the "nexus" of Honeycomb. The only reason why I even bought the Xoom was because of this assumption.
If this rumor is true, I believe there will be a lot of upset Xoom owners. What do you guys think?
Why would you have thought the Xoom was a Nexus line? It doesn't have "Nexus" anywhere in it's name, as all of the Google Experience devices have:
* Nexus One
* Nexus S
Unless the Xoom was called "Nexus Xoom"; then it would be fool-hardy to expect it to be the Google Experience device for tablets.
Why would you have thought the Xoom was a Nexus line? It doesn't have "Nexus" anywhere in it's name, as all of the Google Experience devices have:
* Nexus One
* Nexus S
Unless the Xoom was called "Nexus Xoom"; then it would be fool-hardy to expect it to be the Google Experience device for tablets.
At the CES keynote, several Google and Motorola executives said it was a "full Google Experience device" One exec even added an adjective;saying it was a full "un-adulterated" Google experience device.
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At the CES keynote, several Google and Motorola executives said it was a "full Google Experience device" One exec even added an adjective;saying it was a full "un-adulterated" Google experience device.
It very well could be, but a full Google Experience is not the only thing that makes a device a "Nexus" device.
Nexus devices are also considered to be Dev phones. Which means the boot loader is unlocked.
Basically, it didn't have the Nexus brand, yet people thought it was a Nexus device is my point... Not sure how one could think otherwise, as far as if it's a Nexus device or not.
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So, 12 new ones in one day?
Tablet sized fart apps, or real, useful apps that take advantage of the new Honeycomb menu subsystems and whatnot?
Bear in mind, just because it isn't specifically a "tablet app", it doesn't mean it wont work on a tablet...
I have a tablet, and pretty much all of the non-tablet apps work just fine, with zero issues. A couple of them don't like the screen size, but that's all.
Asus retailers have announced pricing on the
forthcoming 10.1" Android 3 16GB tablet at $399 US/CND.
It available for preorder on Amazon Canada , and is listed at Bestbuy in the US.
With an 10.1" IPS screen I'd think Xoom pricing may have to fall $100+?
With the Xoom, Ipad 2, Transformer, Playbook, HP's tablets
all out or coming out will make for some very interesting Black Friday and Boxing day sales !
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One can certainly hope. But I'm hesitant to believe it'll be within the next 10 days. Nuts!!!
Honestly, if the bezel wasn't so huge and the weight a .5lbs greater, I'd be interested in swapping. Gotta love the dual USB ports and memory card reader. But, I just bought a Male-MicroUSB to Female-USB cord in anticipation of the Xoom MicroUSB being enabled. Just have to pick of an extra memory card reader dongle and I'll be set.
With keyboard the Asus will still be cheaper than the Xoom. Xoom will be dead and so will my gTablet. Full sd slot, two usb, extra battery with the keyboard and equal or better display than the Xoom. Not to mention USB host.
With the Xoom, Ipad 2, Transformer, Playbook, HP's tablets
all out or coming out will make for some very interesting Black Friday and Boxing day sales !
I was curious what people are thinking of the Transformer.
One major difference is size:
Transformer: Physical spec Dimensions 10.67" x 6.89" x 0.47" Weight 1.49 lbs.
Xoom: Physical spec Dimensions 9.81" x 6.61" x 0.51" Weight 1.61 lbs.
Obviously an IPS screen is impressive!
I think your weight is incorrect. When I looked yesterday, I saw that it was heavier (from BB page - now down). I googled and found one source that has it at 1.98lbs. 1.3mp front-facing camera, larger bezel, and the Asus name makes me a bit hesitant. I'm definitely curious, but will have to have it in my hands before I rethink my Xoom.
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I think your weight is incorrect. When I looked yesterday, I saw that it was heavier (from BB page - now down). I googled and found one source that has it at 1.98lbs. 1.3mp front-facing camera, larger bezel, and the Asus name makes me a bit hesitant. I'm definitely curious, but will have to have it in my hands before I rethink my Xoom.
These came form Newegg. The bezel is my main concern on these new units. A large bezel can really create a large tablet. An 8.9" can be as big as the Xoom, if so what's the purpose?
Remember: The Asus doesn't have any traditional USB slot on the tablet itself. It only has an HDMI port and SD slot. Instead, I think the Asus will probably use its proprietary docking/charging port to connect to a PC.
This means it'll need a proprietary USB cable to fit the 40-pin connector. Who knows what that means for its ADB/unlocking capabilities.
Remember: The Asus doesn't have any traditional USB slot on the tablet itself. It only has an HDMI port and SD slot. Instead, I think the Asus will probably use its proprietary docking/charging port to connect to a PC.
This means it'll need a proprietary USB cable to fit the 40-pin connector. Who knows what that means for its ADB/unlocking capabilities.
Yuck, that's terrible. I didn't realize that. That pretty much means that the only port advantage it has is a standard SD, rather than a MicroSD. And that's really not that much of an advantage, in my eyes. Between that and the Bezel, my mind is pretty much made up.
Edit: YIKES!!! I need to read closer before I post. The standard SD slot is also on the keyboard, just like the two USB ports. It just has a MicroSD slot on the tablet.
Not to start a debate or anything, but keep in mind about the bezel on the Transformer is that it has to match up with the keyboard or else it'll just look awkward when used together (the tablet wouldn't cover the keyboard fully like a laptop or the keyboard would have to be smaller).
Not to start a debate or anything, but keep in mind about the bezel on the Transformer is that it has to match up with the keyboard or else it'll just look awkward when used together (the tablet wouldn't cover the keyboard fully like a laptop or the keyboard would have to be smaller).
True. But netbook makers have been getting with smaller keyboards for a while. My thinking is this: if you have room for 1+ inches of bezel, you habe room for a bigger screen.
Edit: Then again I'm not sure about the thickness. The Transformer may be 11.9 mm. That's what the amazon uk page is telling me, and I remembering reading that before and thinking that it was thinner than the Xoom/iPad 1.
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True. But netbook makers have been getting with smaller keyboards for a while. My thinking is this: if you have room for 1+ inches of bezel, you habe room for a bigger screen.
About the keyboard, it looks to be the perfect size, at least for me. I would hate to see it any smaller. About the '1+ inches', true. As always, to each their own.
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I have come to a conclusion on my Xoom VS Transformer
I am going to keep my Xoom. Reason being:
1. Most Important. It's a Pure Google Device/Experience. I love having Pure Android (Vanilla) with NO Skins. Adding that extra layer of skin means I have to wait for (Acre, Asus, Samsung) to provide me updates, whereas Google will push updates and I'm all good. This Device is on par with the Nexus Line of Phones and they ALWAYS get the latest updates before any other phone (GingerBread 2.3 for example) because they are Pure Google Devices and don't have to wait for some manufacturer to work it into their Skin. The Xoom will get the same treatment.
2. The issue over the MicroSD. I believe (from what I have read) is the Asus & Acer have a sloppy MicroSD fix that Google them selves do not recommend. I will just wait for Google to fix it correctly. Who knows if the Acer/Asus units will be upgradeable when the True fix comes thru. I have 14GB left and can wait for the SDCard to be fixed. No big deal.
3. Yes, we paid an extra $100 over the 32gb Asus Transformer BUT you know what, my Xoom is WELL built and craftsmanship goes along way. I have no idea how the Asus is built and what type of components are being used. I believe Moto went with top notch components and in the end You ALWAYS gets what you pay for. I believe the Xoom will last a very long time.
4. Yes the Asus comes with an IPS screen, but guess what, the Xoom screen looks GREAT to me. All my Blu-Ray's look and play Amazing. Plus from what I have read at XDA, guys are having issues using the Xoom HQ1 Profiles from DVDCatalysts to work on their Transformers correctly. I believe DVDCatalysts will get this sorted out BUT as of right now I can re-encode Blu-Ray's and the play just great. Playing Movies on my Tablet is a BIG Plus for me.
5. I already have 2 cases/accessories for my XOOM and don't want to start over again. I am also waiting on the OtterBox Defender Series.
In conclusion, the Xoom is the Perfect tablet for me and if you play the "there is always something better around the corner game" you will Never get anything. I am perfectly happy with my Xoom (use it everyday, especially laying in bed at night while watching TV) and believe I have found the perfect tablet for me In the end tablets are just media consumption devices and NOT laptop replacements and as such the Xoom does Media Consumption just Great. If I want to do more, I will just bust out my Laptop or jump on my Desktop. Lately I have not touched my laptop.
There's any old saying "A bird in the hand, is worth 2 in the bush"
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