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Old March 19th, 2011, 10:56 PM   #151 (permalink)
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Fortran or COBOL?
Fortran and Cobol were not around then. It was basic assembler all the way. But I did participate in the development of a Cobol compiler in 1965. My part was to put the ISAM access method in.

I am waiting for a nice 7" device. At the time when I setup my profile, I thought an updated Galaxy would fit the bill. Now I am not so convinced any more (besides the point that there will probably not be one). And I am also less enthusiastic regarding Android now. I will look at Web-OS and QNX - and then there is always Windows8 waiting in the wings. But I am in no hurry. For me it is just a toy. My 6 PCs do the work - no Macs.

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Now you are getting personal. I have developed operating systems when you were not even born - like in 1961. I can tell a good OS from one that is not ready for the market - and the apps are part of the bundle.

I will definitely not buy an iPad, but there are other options. Just wait another few months.

Hmmm, yet you confuse O/S Crashing with apps crashing.....
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Okay, so I've had my Xoom a bit over 2 weeks now. It has Flash now (I wish the SD slot were working but I'm not really missing it). There are really only two things that are minor annoyances ... otherwise I love it.

1. - the rear speakers kinda suck, they'd be much better on the front or sides or something.

2. - the fact that it will not charge from usb is another annoyance but not a huge issue.
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And why are you waiting to buy a device with an operating system that is not ready?

I am not getting personal just tired of BS.
... and I'm getting tired of the hostility . His complaints and posts were both valid and civil. Your's weren't.
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I understand the difference between force closes and core OS functionality and I hope this thread doesn't continue to devolve. The fact is Android does allow more flexibility than anything else out there, but Honeycomb just like every Android version before it, feels a bit incomplete in some ways.

I think it's a poor argument to say that because Android is more open, it can't perform with the fluidity and stability of an iOS or WP7. We should not give google a pass here, Android could be ALOT more stable than it is. Having said all of that, it's still my platform of choice, at least for now...
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I don't understand how you control what people put on an open platform. There is always the potential on an open OS that a particular app can muddy up the works.
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I don't understand how you control what people put on an open platform. There is always the potential on an open OS that a particular app can muddy up the works.
Open doesn't necessarily mean buggy or totally uncontrolled. Linux and Ubuntu are pretty good examples of what evolved open systems can do......
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Fortran and Cobol were not around then.
For the sake of teaching some computer history:

1954 - The first version of FORTRAN (formula translator) is published by IBM.

1960 - The Common Business-Oriented Language (COBOL) programming language is invented.

1961 - The programming language FORTRAN IV is created.

I didn't realize it was that long ago.
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This is very cool information. Especially where it cites about some of the founding fathers.

Computer History for 1940 - 1960
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This is true, but my argument is the stability of the supposedly hardware-accelerated core OS. Not what happens when another variable is added.

Google exposes core functionality via their APIs and a developer can do what he wishes, I understand that completely. However, what those APIs do to the stability of the core OS rests strictly in the hands of google engineers.

This is I think my 6th android device in as many years & whether it be vanilla Android or some skinned version of it, they all at times lag menus, have visible redraw, and random freezes. These things of course vary be device but are always present. Honeycomb & my Xoom are no exception.
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This is true, but my argument is the stability of the supposedly hardware-accelerated core OS. Not what happens when another variable is added.

Google exposes core functionality via their APIs and a developer can do what he wishes, I understand that completely. However, what those APIs do to the stability of the core OS rests strictly in the hands of google engineers.

This is I think my 6th android device in as many years & whether it be vanilla Android or some skinned version of it, they all at times lag menus, have visible redraw, and random freezes. These things of course vary be device but are always present. Honeycomb & my Xoom are no exception.
Thanks for the clarification. You are truly knowledgeable.
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For the sake of teaching some computer history:

1954 - The first version of FORTRAN (formula translator) is published by IBM.

1960 - The Common Business-Oriented Language (COBOL) programming language is invented.

1961 - The programming language FORTRAN IV is created.

I didn't realize it was that long ago.
True, but it did not run on the machines I worked on. And neither Cobol nor Fortran lend themselves for operating system type programming. Assembler was the language of choice.

And in your history page, look up Zuse. In 1958 I worked on a Zuse 11 at university. Nice machine.

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True, but it did not run on the machines I worked on. And neither Cobol nor Fortran lend themselves for operating system type programming. Assembler was the language of choice.

And in your history page, look up Zuse. In 1958 I worked on a Zuse 11 at university. Nice machine.

Nice looking monitor!
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Default Purchase advice from more experienced xoom/android users

I an interested in the Xoom and would like to describe what I am looking for in a device and get info on how well the Xoom can handle this.

First, I have multiple Google Apps accounts, so there is an obvious benefit to the Xoom. I work in an office environment, but have very limited internet access for personal use due to recent company policies to prevent the spread of viruses. This leaves me needing some sort of 3G device (integrated or external, i.e. mifi). While a laptop is a good option, 90% of what I need to handle while there, or anywhere besides home, is web, email, and occasional document edits.

I do have an iPhone 3Gs. I like the phone, but obviously there are trade-offs. I have never been a huge fan of Apple, but the phone is easy to use. I am looking for a tablet to be the portable device with more functionality. I would prefer to have a device that can easily handle the email and web browsing, allow for file storage and edits (Word or Excel documents mostly), and attaching or saving those from email. It would also be great if I could use the device to connect to a projector for business presentations.

I have compared the Xoom and iPad. From having an iPhone, I pretty much know what to expect there. I also know I can get a vga adapter for the iPad for the business presentations, but have not found any information on this or any other connectivity options on the Xoom.

What tips do you all with Xoom/Android experience have for this type of use? I know I can accomplish 'most' of this with the iPad, but am very interested in what the Xoom has to offer in this area that the iPad can't. It also needs to be fairly easy to manage (sync and transfers with the pc, etc). It's a big chunk of change to get the Xoom, and if I go the Verizon contract route, I'm stuck with a 2 year deal. If I go without a contract, then I will still need to pickup a 3g hotspot.

Thank you for any tips.
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I don't see any reason why the Xoom wouldn't fill all of your needs. In my opinion the Xoom does web browsing and email better than the I pad and it also has full flash capability now. I would recommend Quick Office Pro for your document and excel editing needs and it is currently on sale for $7.99 which is 60% off its normal price. As far as presentations go the Xoom has hdmi version 1.4 out and it does full mirroring of the device. If you don't have hdmi on what you are using for presentations you can always get an hdmi to VGA connector. If your going to need 3G you might as well get the Xoom on contract to save yourself $200 and will also have an upgrade path to 4G if it becomes available in your area. Also after a software update you will have the option of doubling your storage with a 32 GB SD card for your file storing needs. So really after writing all that it seems to me that the Xoom is the best possible choice for what your are looking for.
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That's not a monitor. It is a control panel.
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Internet Access
You can choose to pay VZW for a 3G (later on 4G) data plan for your Xoom if you want, or you can do what I do and tether your Xoom to your phone's 3G. WiFi tethering requires no cables

Web, Email, Document Edits
The web browser on the Xoom is very nice, same with the email and gmail clients. The Xoom comes with a "hidden" Quickoffice which allows you to open and edit word, excel and powerpoint documents, but if you want to create new ones from your tablet you'll need to find a different version (there may be one floating around on xda's forums) or get a different app, like documents to go. Both apps also allow you to view PDFs.

File Storage
The Xoom has 32GB, and while the microsd card slot does not currently do anything there will eventually be an update that enables it... whenever that is. The way Motorola pushed out updates for the original Droid (their flagship phone) I'd assume the Xoom (their flagship tablet) will get similar treatment.

Projector
The micro-HDMI port on the Xoom will connect to any HDMI projector, but you will have problems with older VGA projectors. The HDMI signal is digital, and VGA is analog, so a simple adapter wont work; you need an active converter. Which requires it's own power supply. There's a topic about this somewhere on motorola's forums (I was looking for this same info last Friday lol). Apple's $40 adapter has the upper hand here, and it's one of the ONLY things the iPad does better than the Xoom.

For small meetings, the Xoom's display itself works fine. I used it in a product development meeting last week.

Other
Since you mentioned business use, I'll describe what happened to me last wednesday. I'm sitting at my desk preparing for my product development meeting, and I've got a couple pictures on my camera I want to show everyone. The printer is down so I can't print them. I plug in my Xoom, but of course the POS computer I'm on can't connect to it. So I go to download motorola's drivers (which work btw) but our internet connection is so slow that it will make me late for my meeting, which is less than 1 minute away now.

So, I upload the pics to my Dropbox account, and go to my meeting. I open the Dropbox app on my tablet, and my pics are there freshly uploaded.

Flash
Now for personal use... flash on the Xoom is outstanding. When you want it, it works brilliantly. I mostly use it to watch streaming vids from ustream, justin.tv, livestream, and plenty other streaming services. It works far better than flash ever did on my phone.

Now, when you DON'T want it, all those flash ads on every website will really slow down your otherwise fast browser. Luckily, you can go into your browser settings and change Plugins from always on to "on demand." Then, whenever you want to view flash content, you just tap on it.
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Default My transition from Galaxy Tab to Xoom and back

After owning one of the Galaxy tabs since December, I decided to take a stab at the Xoom. I thought I might like Honeycomb and the quality of build Motorola puts out. As someone who has owned both, I thought I'd throw out my opinion for others in the same position.

Comparable features - both tablets seem to have great battery life and do what I need them to do. I use them to watch movies, listen to music, e-reader, email, and internet browsing.

Shared deficiencies - I am still really disappointed about the overall bluetooth support in Android. It appears by the Xoom keyboard that either Motorola or Google is moving in the right direction with bluetooth drivers, but at the end of the day I couldn't get my bluetooth keyboard or mouse to connect. If they did, the Xoom would have real potential as a laptop replacement.

The things I like about the Xoom- The screen resolution is great and audio quality is really good when I am not using headphones, the dual core processor handles anything I can throw at it, and there are some security features (specifically encryption) that are great from a corporate adoption standpoint.

The things I don't like - Size. I am rapidly becoming one of the people who thinks the 7" size is optimal. If I were just using it at home, 10" would probably be great but on a plane 7" is small enough that it is a really small portfolio sized package, whereas the Xoom was kind of awkward for one handed use. Also, after an hour of using it as an e-reader, it gets a bit on the heavy side. The fact that the microSD is not enabled right now is also a big PITA, as I like to carry them for music and movies. The other complaints I have are due to the newness of Honeycomb, but I'm sure the next service pack will contain a lot of fixes.

All in all, if size weren't a factor I would keep the Xoom hands down, but as it stands now there will be a Xoom being returned when I get back home Friday. I really hope that one of the 7" tablets comes out with a dual-core processor, or I might consider the 8.9" tab as well when it is out.
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Default Have had the Xoom for 3 weeks...

I tried to hold out until all on the Xoom was working but I am a nerd and couldn't wait any longer.

I was originally talked into the Verizon 1G plan even though everyone on the site said not to do it. I took it home with the 14 days in mind and used it as much as possible. Within minutes of getting it out of the box, my slingbox was working [this was pre-Flash]. I also managed to convert several videos and load them without any problem.

To be honest, there are apps that I would like to use [Sirius XM, etc] that still have yet to be updated for the tablet, but they will come.

After a week, I realized I NEVER turned the 3 g on. So I went to Verizon and canceled my service. I had to pay the extra $200, but in the long run it saved about $300 because I don't have to pay the $20/month.

I LOVE my Xoom. Although, I also agree with everyone about the price, I am glad I took the plunge. Also, I am among the others who say that the 7-8 in. tablet would be the best.

In order to get around the keyboard I downloaded Thumb/Keyboard. This makes typing a lot better. There are also ways to connect to a phone without having to root.

There are things that I don't like with the Xoom:

1. The SD slot isn't working!!!!!
2. When you have your xoom in a sleeve portfolio you can't plug the power in at the same time.
3. I have not found a gel sleeve that makes me confident in protecting it.
4. The sound isn't that great. I plug in external speakers


The nice thing is that right now everyone who is developing apps is doing it with the tablet and honeycomb in mind!

Hope this helps.
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Good report Sabres Fan - thank you. I admire everybody who sinks a week's worth of pay into a product that does not even have some basic functions working (SD card reader). You convinced me to wait until these devices are ready for prime time. No wonder the iPad is so successful, but that is not for me.
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As another data point, I have had my zoom for a month this Saturday. Aside from an earthquake tracking app that seems unstable, I can count the forced closes on one hand. Seems pretty stable to me.....

One can find a reason not to buy any of the tablets out there. If you prefer to focus on what it doesn't have yet, that is your right as a consumer. I bought it for what it does have, and the future holds much much more. Really pleased with my purchase.
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As another data point, I have had my zoom for a month this Saturday. Aside from an earthquake tracking app that seems unstable, I can count the forced closes on one hand. Seems pretty stable to me.....

One can find a reason not to buy any of the tablets out there. If you prefer to focus on what it doesn't have yet, that is your right as a consumer. I bought it for what it does have, and the future holds much much more. Really pleased with my purchase.
Very true, we can't have it all people. And believe it or not, even the iPad doesn't have it all.
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iPad apps crash..anyone who says they dont either 1...dont use it or 2. dont have it.

Browser? Crashes too....Words with friends, crashed EVERY time i opened it for the first time in a while...had to reload it. EVERY TIME.

I think people put more emphasis on Xoom/android crashes is because it called it out..."blah blah blah force close"....iOS just closes the app it seems
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Very true, we can't have it all people. And believe it or not, even the iPad doesn't have it all.

Blasphemy!!!!
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This is a bit off topic but I don't feel like this question requires it's own thread. Do you need to charge up the Xoom before you use it or can it be used right out of the box?
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It should have a charge already, but can't hurt to top it off eh.

In fact when I picked mine up the Verizon guy (at Costco) pulled it out, powered it up and went through the set up ...

I did plug it in when I got home and let it fully charge before using it extensively.
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That is a fair statement. Problem is that leadership is expensive - at least most of the time.

I bought one of the first SSDs about 3 years ago and installed it in my Vista system (for a lot of money at the time). Took me 6 months to get it right (including 3 mail-ins to Newegg and OCZ). But now I am an SSD fan and have all my 6 PCs equipped with them. But 3 years ago they were not ready for prime time.

The tablet developments reminds me that time. They have been thrown together in haste (including the software) and are now being debugged by the geeks. I have spent all my life with computers and am not afraid of technology. But I set priorities when it comes to spending money. And if they want me to be an alpha or beta tester, they should supply the goods for free.

A consumer product must work out of the box. I am sure that will be the case in another year or so when the Pro's take over.
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I bought it Yesterday and returning it Today or tomorrow.

It's a nice product but not for me.

1. It's too large. I think the 7" or 8.9" tablet from samsung is the sweet spot for these devices.
2. It's too heavy. Again the smaller tab have an advantage.
3. You're going to laugh. But, I don't like honeycomb. I prefer Froyo

I prefer the galaxy tab I had over this. You don't mind holding it for extended periods of time, fits in my cargo pants and does what it does well.

Overall, the Xoom is great if you are an ipad adapter and like the footprint and weight.
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I bought it Yesterday and returning it Today or tomorrow.

It's a nice product but not for me.
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If my tablet (A Viewsonic G Tablet) were not my netbook replacement, I'd be in the same boat as you. I pre-ordered a Wifi-only Xoom; but when I heard plans for the Samsung tabs at 7" and 8.9", I cancelled. I'm holding on the 8.9", which would be the sweet spot for reading.

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This is one place where Apple wins hands down on the iPad 2. That thing is damned light, and I can't believe nobody until Samsung (With a future tablet) figured out a tablet MUST be light.

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Again, I share this opinion. I think it has a lot to do with "what I'm used to". I prefer not learning 3 different ways to get something done.

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I would be getting a Samsung G tab, but I heard about the 8.9", and I think it will work out the same: Big enough to read comfortably, small enough to pocket it.

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I think I may be returning mine today or tomorrow as well.

Heres why......
Ive had it for about 3 days now...and I loved it the first day......less the second day ...and even less the third day. Not alot of apps that I like are working properly on the Xoom. Getting alot of force closes......everything from the facebook app to Jetvd. Its asking me if I want to power off alot for no reason. And not alot of apps are available yet. I know..I know...soon.

I may be picking up the Ipad 2. It just seems so much easier to put music and movies on it. The software seems seamless as well.

I really...really want to LOVE the Xoom. But its making it hard to.
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Ive had it for about 3 days now...and I loved it the first day......less the second day ...and even less the third day. Not alot of apps that I like are working properly on the Xoom. Getting alot of force closes......everything from the facebook app to Jetvd. Its asking me if I want to power off alot for no reason. And not alot of apps are available yet. I know..I know...soon.
I've experienced pretty much the exact opposite, and I've had my XOOM (the 3G one) since launch day.

I've probably had one force close, and the XOOM has never asked to shut down randomly. The facebook app is understandable, and will never be corrected, as facebook has publicly said that tablets are computers, not mobile devices. This is why there is no facebook app for the iPad.

As for apps, if you think there's not enough now, you should have seen the list back in February. The apps are coming along nicely, and many devs are listing April 2011 as their launch timeframe. This is likely because Honeycomb will have a larger footprint on the tablet market.

Overall, I keep finding new things I like about the XOOM on a weekly basis. The only things I wish I could do at this point is use the microSD slot and securely sign pdf files. However, I know both of those are coming.
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I bought it Yesterday and returning it Today or tomorrow.

It's a nice product but not for me.

1. It's too large. I think the 7" or 8.9" tablet from samsung is the sweet spot for these devices.
2. It's too heavy. Again the smaller tab have an advantage.
3. You're going to laugh. But, I don't like honeycomb. I prefer Froyo

I prefer the galaxy tab I had over this. You don't mind holding it for extended periods of time, fits in my cargo pants and does what it does well.

Overall, the Xoom is great if you are an ipad adapter and like the footprint and weight.
#1: I think that 7/9" tablets are too small. Trying read some PDF's on those are a pain in the butt, let alone web surfing.

#2: I think you should go and work out more for those who thinks its heavy. I gave it a whirl at Frys (as well as others)..system was fluid. Weight wise I had no problem with it..my only gripe is battery replacement.

#3: It does take a bit to get use to new AI.. would be nice if to have Android have a selection of what OS ui to use (yet still be able to harness all the fuctionality of it).

It is nice BUT I am still waiting closer to xmas and see what will be available.
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I have the ipad 1 and have had it since launch. I do love the way it ties into apple tv and how easy it is to get media on the device. Also there are a lot of cool apps. But for business use it is so behind the times.

On the xoom I am reading docs, surfing the web, reading rss feeds, IMing and all the time I am getting notified of emails, or IMs that are coming in. I can then decide if I want to stop what I am doing and read them. With the ipad I have to click out of what I am doing and then see if I received an email and then click back into what I was doing. Very unproductive.

I am loving the xoom for business and everything that I need right now. I lvoe the size and the weight is not bad at all.

I will say this, if you have an ipad then no brainer to get a xoom. If you have an ipad and then get an ipad2 I would see it as a waste of money. But my wife and kids use the ipad and I use the xoom. Best of both worlds.
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I'm having mixed feelings about mine. I've already chosen to keep it by rooting it just last night. I did it out of frustration because too many appsI depend on were'nt even visible to it on the market. I don't depend on it for productivity, but I do want it to do more than surf the web. I have grown to depend on my rooted Droid for productivity, and right now my Droid does more than this Xoom. I knew that this would be an evolving product when I bought it, but I guess I'm jaded by how blown away I was when the Droid was evolving, constantly making my new already great product even better beyond my imagination nearly every other week.
I bought my wife the iPad for Christmas, and so far the Xoom only slightly rivals it.
Personally, I like the hefty, solid feel of the Xoom. I expect easy instructions on battery replacememt will make that less of problem in the future.
I still have great expe tations for the Xoom because I know the Android community canmt be complacent like the Apple community.

...Besides, the friggin' thing's gotta barometer inside it!
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While I respect your decision, I think you should have given the Xoom a bit more time. I understand your complaints but I think evaluating a product for 3 days doesn't really give you a full appreciation of it. I remember when I got my Nexus One and after about 2 weeks or whatever the return policy was I was ready to send it back to Google. The Wifi performance was sub-par, I wasn't thrilled with the stock 2.1 interface, and it didn't seem worth the $529. After getting an RMA # I played around a little more with it and basically I haven't looked back. I'm thrilled that I kept my N1, and even though there are more powerful phones out on the market now, I like that I have a very solid phone that is easily customizable with different roms and such, and that I can wait until these newer phones work out their 4G quirks before I jump to one of them.

This is why I got my Xoom from Costco, so that I had 90 days to really evaluate it and see if it is for me. Right now I'm still on the fence. While I do really enjoy the versatility and ease of use, I'm not thrilled with the bugginess of the OS and some of the programs. Still, I don't think that less than a week is a fair evaluation time on an evolving technology.
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The problem with an 8.9" is depending on the bezel is not much smaller than the xoom. Weight may be another thing.
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Has anyone read this one:

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I think this is the keyword. Question is whether you want to sink $800 for the pleasure to participate in a worlwide alpha test. Even other beta test products (e.g. Windows7) ran much more smoothly.
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I think this is the keyword. Question is whether you want to sink $800 for the pleasure to participate in a worlwide alpha test. Even other beta test products (e.g. Windows7) ran much more smoothly.
It could be argued Windows 7, when released, was not a Beta Test - but it's 2 predecessors, Millenium (last 9x series) and Longhorn/Vista, definitely were Beta's that never really made it to prime time!

I've been very happy with my Xoom, and after 2 weeks of learning I haven't had a lockup or reboot in at least 4 days ......
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I really wanted to love it but just to heavy for me. Honeycomb is nice and will get better and better but just could not deal with weight for how I use a tablet which is primarily reading.

I also had problem with back casing getting loose so had to go back to Moto anyway.

At first I was in denial because I liked Honeycomb so much. I will either go after smaller form factor in 7 inch range or may wait for the new 8.9 Samsung tablet coming this summer.
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You really need to by a e-Ink type of reader for reading. Kindle is a great device for the money.
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I don't find the weight to be that much of a problem, but that is probably because I use the portfolio case to prop it up most of the time. I don't read all that much on it, but I do like to surf the web in portrait, and my arm doesnt really get tired holding it.
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I find the weight great but I'm not a nine year old girl. Ooh that might get me another ban.
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I really am trying to love this thing... as i love android but several major issues im facing and I faced.

1. I set this up yesterday and in the setup process it asked for my wifi details. I gave it my router password and had no issues and I was far off from my router. Then last night I wanted to see how easy it would be to disconnect from the wifi and reconnect ( usually a 2 second process on my windows laptop )

Result = since disconnecting I couldnt get it to reconnect. In fact it just kept cycling through scannning, scanning, authenticating and I am right beside my router...????? Also its showing 4 LINKSYS in the window ( which one is mine??? ) I hope those 4 are not all mine

Finally.... I removed all of the linksys and it found mine ( fixed )

But the connection is crap compared to my laptop, the further I am away from the route, naturally there will be not as great connection But with my laptop I can go RIGHT up stairs ( 2 levels ) and stream movies and tv no issues..

With this i am only 1 level up and its stuttering through streaming stuff

2. After installing FLASH from the market place last night, i went to regular sites that I use on my laptop with no issues ( anywhere in the house and i have 3 levels in the house and my router is on the bottom ) and I discovered that the tv/movies that I usually stream on my laptop flawlessly... are juttery and freezing ( i can hear audio ) then the video will kick back in again..

3. Some sites i used to watch streaming tv from ( don't even appear the same ) I thought the site had changed, so i loaded up my pc and went to the same site, same link and sure enough the site was fine!... Its serving up something entirely different to me ( oh and its not the mobile version as I made sure to changed that using about:debut )

4. I have not got the android 3.1 update ( like what the hell is up with that? )

If I don't find a solution to the above... this will have to go back to the store today and be replaced by a regular laptop as there are some thing I just can't settle for!
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I have never experienced that. You might have a bad unit. Call VZW and make them help you see if resetting helps, otherwise take it back. If you're talking about the wifi only version, drop everything and take it back. This behavior is not normal.
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I really am trying to love this thing... as i love android but several major issues im facing and I faced.

1. I set this up yesterday and in the setup process it asked for my wifi details. I gave it my router password and had no issues and I was far off from my router. Then last night I wanted to see how easy it would be to disconnect from the wifi and reconnect ( usually a 2 second process on my windows laptop )

Result = since disconnecting I couldnt get it to reconnect. In fact it just kept cycling through scannning, scanning, authenticating and I am right beside my router...????? Also its showing 4 LINKSYS in the window ( which one is mine??? ) I hope those 4 are not all mine

Finally.... I removed all of the linksys and it found mine ( fixed )

But the connection is crap compared to my laptop, the further I am away from the route, naturally there will be not as great connection But with my laptop I can go RIGHT up stairs ( 2 levels ) and stream movies and tv no issues..

With this i am only 1 level up and its stuttering through streaming stuff

2. After installing FLASH from the market place last night, i went to regular sites that I use on my laptop with no issues ( anywhere in the house and i have 3 levels in the house and my router is on the bottom ) and I discovered that the tv/movies that I usually stream on my laptop flawlessly... are juttery and freezing ( i can hear audio ) then the video will kick back in again..

3. Some sites i used to watch streaming tv from ( don't even appear the same ) I thought the site had changed, so i loaded up my pc and went to the same site, same link and sure enough the site was fine!... Its serving up something entirely different to me ( oh and its not the mobile version as I made sure to changed that using about:debut )

4. I have not got the android 3.1 update ( like what the hell is up with that? )

If I don't find a solution to the above... this will have to go back to the store today and be replaced by a regular laptop as there are some thing I just can't settle for!
Your wifi issues are related to the channel your Wifi network is broadcasting.

Set it to auto. If you have it set to a specific channel, you will have issues.
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