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Old February 26th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I for one have been holding out since the I pad came out, waiting for an official android tablet. Yes, i'm anti-apple... I thought the day would never come when the xoom would be in stores. Now it's in my hands and even though it's lacking a few options and upgrades at release , i'm happy! I'm patient because the rest will come. I'd rather have what I got now than to wait any longer... This tablet is a foundation and everything will build on it. You can't have the app first. The I pad had few apps at release(remember). Yes it's pricey but is also a luxury to have it now. Motorola has called Apples bluff and I believe they will do what it takes to avoid any embarasment.

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I just want movies without having to strip drm or rencode them.
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I agree I think this will be like the nexus version of tablets due to the google experience which means I expect developers to really make the xoom even better for us in time
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Hey Railrode1/PaulG1488, I'm so glad someone sees this Xoom thing as I see it. I've been watching the forums since the day it arrived in the stores and have been so fed up with what people are saying about it. They are getting upset because it isn't doing what they expected it to do, however, I'm sure it does these things, they just haven't taken the time to figure out how to perform these functions. It seems like alot of people haven't done their homework and researched what this device will/can do. They just went out and bought it without first getting this info. Now they are asking a tone of questions after the fact. One of the issues I've been hearing alot is, where are the apps? Well, if you had've done your homework, you would know that Google only recently opened the SDK to the developers so that they can start creating the apps, so in due time, the apps will arrive, just as they did for the first Android phones, as well as, all Apple devices. There is no Apple device that hit the market with 1000's of apps already ready to load on them. So I said all that to say that I have an iPad and also an Android phone. I will be selling my iPad soon and because I enjoy customizing my devices, I love what Google/Android has brought to the market and I will be picking up a Xoom or possibly the Samsung Galaxy 10.1
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Besides Xoom not having USB host (big issue, IMO) the Xoom is about one major update away from being mega-fine for folks

Sad for me, I need USB host, so the Gtablet will do for me until something with USB host and better display comes along that can be purchased locally.... That may be a while...

Sucks no USB host on the Xoom. Real bad

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I like USB host, since handy for file transfer and have a 64gb thumbdrive loaded with movies and PSX games. VERY handy and battery drain is no different (that I can tell) than if the drive was not plugged in. USB host rocks!
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Besides Xoom not having USB host (big issue, IMO) the Xoom is about one major update away from being mega-fine for folks

Sad for me, I need USB host, so the Gtablet will do for me until something with USB host and better display comes along that can be purchased locally.... That may be a while...

Sucks no USB host on the Xoom. Real bad

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I like USB host, since handy for file transfer and have a 64gb thumbdrive loaded with movies and PSX games. VERY handy and battery drain is no different (that I can tell) than if the drive was not plugged in. USB host rocks!
Isn't the xoom supposed to be getting an update to enable the USB host?
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Besides Xoom not having USB host (big issue, IMO) the Xoom is about one major update away from being mega-fine for folks

Sad for me, I need USB host, so the Gtablet will do for me until something with USB host and better display comes along that can be purchased locally.... That may be a while...

Sucks no USB host on the Xoom. Real bad

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I like USB host, since handy for file transfer and have a 64gb thumbdrive loaded with movies and PSX games. VERY handy and battery drain is no different (that I can tell) than if the drive was not plugged in. USB host rocks!
I'm sure if its a software issue that is not enabling USB host then I'm sure xda will find a way to make it work at some point
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USB support not a huge deal. 32 GB internal is a lot of space. I have 15 movies,tons of music and still have 18 Gb left. Eventually ill put another 32GB in it but no need now.
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Most of the hating going on is because of price, which is ridiculous and apps, and we all know they're be coming soon.
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I knew going in and buying the Xoom, it was not gonna be perfect, well far from perfect. I knew it won't have flash, the external memory card won't work, and other issues but so far I'm happy with it.

The only thing I wasn't too happy about was missing out on the 25% Motorola screwed on up...... I was so mad that I stayed up all night researching the Xoom and fell alseep after I bought the Xoom and missing on the deal of the day!!!!
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I for one am very excited about Android tablets. These things will do everything I want out of the box (eventually) and much more than the iPad will do.

So the iPad market has 50,000+ apps. Who gives a rats ass. I'm not going to download 50,000 apps and 49,950 I'll never want because its crap wasting space on my tablet.

What I want in a tablet for apps (apps remember, not everything I want) - the Xoom and other tablets come with out of the box. email, web, mapping, reading books, facebook, youtube, etc. The rest of my main apps are news apps, sports apps, shopping apps, weather, etc. These are all main stream major apps that will be updated for tablets before those folks complaining learn to tie their shoes.

I'm not buying a tablet as a gaming device - so I don't need 50,000 apps to choose from.

What apps do you want that you think will NOT be updated for android tablets very shortly? Right - all of them will be and soon. So lets focus on the rest of the things that are different between tablets like the Xoom and the iPad. And its clear to see android tabelts are far superior.
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Most of the hating going on is because of price, which is ridiculous
The only people that think the price is ridiculous are the ones trying to compare it to the wifi only 16GB iPad @ $499. Compare it to its actual competitor, the 32GB wifi/3g model @ $684 (current Amazon price after being on the market almost 1 year) and the complaint disappears.

The Xoom easily beats that $684 iPad in every category except for available Apps (for now).
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The only people that think the price is ridiculous are the ones trying to compare it to the wifi only 16GB iPad @ $499. Compare it to its actual competitor, the 32GB wifi/3g model @ $684 (current Amazon price after being on the market almost 1 year) and the complaint disappears.

The Xoom easily beats that $684 iPad in every category except for available Apps (for now).
Though the 16GB is limited. No 3G. Some people do want 3G . But you're right, $684 iPad doesn't even compare. Now when the WIFI only comes out, even with the iPad 2 out, will sell like hot cakes.

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I for one am very excited about Android tablets. These things will do everything I want out of the box (eventually) and much more than the iPad will do.

So the iPad market has 50,000+ apps. Who gives a rats ass. I'm not going to download 50,000 apps and 49,950 I'll never want because its crap wasting space on my tablet.

What I want in a tablet for apps (apps remember, not everything I want) - the Xoom and other tablets come with out of the box. email, web, mapping, reading books, facebook, youtube, etc. The rest of my main apps are news apps, sports apps, shopping apps, weather, etc. These are all main stream major apps that will be updated for tablets before those folks complaining learn to tie their shoes.

I'm not buying a tablet as a gaming device - so I don't need 50,000 apps to choose from.

What apps do you want that you think will NOT be updated for android tablets very shortly? Right - all of them will be and soon. So lets focus on the rest of the things that are different between tablets like the Xoom and the iPad. And its clear to see android tabelts are far superior.
"Superior" in this case is subjective. Gamers would be better served with an iPad and folks wanting broad connectivity options and Flash would be better served with an Android tablet. The is a HUGE and subjective middle between those.

As posted before, I solved my dilemma by getting BOTH. A $350 Gtablet that actually has better USB connectivity and a $364 iPod 64gb. Best of both worlds for me and $100 cheaper than the Xoom (in its current configuration).

Apple app ecosystem rocks and so does the functionality of my Gtablet, so nice combo for me added: Both tether great with the Incredible, so covered for 3G's function.
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The only people that think the price is ridiculous are the ones trying to compare it to the wifi only 16GB iPad @ $499. Compare it to its actual competitor, the 32GB wifi/3g model @ $684 (current Amazon price after being on the market almost 1 year) and the complaint disappears.

The Xoom easily beats that $684 iPad in every category except for available Apps (for now).
I think the price is ridiculous for something that at current is only good for surfing the web. I understand its new and shinny but that doesn’t mean its worth $800. I will be proven right just like I was about the gTab when the sales numbers go unreported.
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I agree I think this will be like the nexus version of tablets due to the google experience which means I expect developers to really make the xoom even better for us in time
This^^^ is one of the reasons I'm getting one. With the Xoom being a "Google Experience" device, if Google follows precedent, the Xoom should be rockin' OS updates on a regular basis...a la Nexus.

Apps will come, once they do start popping up it will be fast and furious. Other than the many opinions people have expressed regarding price, I don't see a down-side to owning a Xoom. It can only get better.
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Why do you use the term GAMER for an iPad. Sure they have games but its not a gamer tablet.

Unless I can get something like Bulletstorm or Mass Effect etc, than it's no tablet for a GAMER. The most popular with iTunes is Angry Birds, great game but certainly no top game you'd play on your PC or console.
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How's the web browsing on the gtab? Does flash work well? Any major cons? At $300, I might be in for one.
Browsing is great if you use Dolphin. The stock browser is laggy/draggy. Flash works well and I have no real complaints about the Galaxy Tab other than the fact that Samsung will probably abandon it when they release their 10' tab.

I use LauncherPro on the Galaxy Tab and it's outstanding.
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I just want movies without having to strip drm or rencode them.
Same here. This worked great for my Droid, but doesn't really look great on the XOOM yet.

I'm using dvd decrypter and handbrake. Does anyone know of a method to upscale standard dvds (480p) to at least 720p when you re-encode?
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I don't understand why moto doesn't make the xoom play any video file without re-encoding. To me this would be a cheap way to one-up the ipad. The Archos tablets already play any video file. Another easy advantage would be to include a dlna client. If the xoom had both of these items, I would buy one today.
On this we completely agree. I tried some videos that I encoded last night and had mixed success. If VLC was out for the Xoom we wouldn't even be talking about video as being an issue most likely. One would think with the hardware available on the Xoom we shouldn't be seeing stuttering video issues and videos that refuse to play. This will get addressed, I'm sure. But it is an area that definitely needs work.
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One of the things I liked about the ipad was the ability to rent movies via itunes. I hope google gets a movie store out soon. I love honeycomb though
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That would definitely rock. Although, when we get flash, won't we be able to play with Hulu and our Amazon Prime video streaming stuff? Just a thought.
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I want the Xoom. Went to a Verizon store. Play with it and didn't buy it. Came home, read all the good stuff about the Xoom. Went back to the Verizon store again. Played with it. Talked to other people who's also interested in getting the Xoom. But none of us did. Came home empty handed again. Now I want it again. Consumer behavior is hard to predict. =)
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That would definitely rock. Although, when we get flash, won't we be able to play with Hulu and our Amazon Prime video streaming stuff? Just a thought.
For sure. But i was thinking about jumping on planes or places potentially without wifi coverage. Also I have a lot of digital copies from blue rays that are unfortunately drm'd to iTunes or windows media player. I wish there was a fast way to remove drm!
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For sure. But i was thinking about jumping on planes or places potentially without wifi coverage. Also I have a lot of digital copies from blue rays that are unfortunately drm'd to iTunes or windows media player. I wish there was a fast way to remove drm!
I wrote a script to drag and drop drm'd files on top of that removes it. But, you do need the proper tools and version of iTunes, yea.
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I went to the store and played with it twice. I'll prolly play with it again if my warehouse club has one of display. I want a tablet today but I can't convince myself it's worth it.
Do you do THAT in public?
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Rocks hard and Flash works amazingly well. I also use a 64gb thumbdrive for movies and PSX roms. Two cons:

1 Need to install a modded rom to get the best function, but not needed if you do not want to. Super easy though.

2 Display looks great straight on, but not same great angles as Xoom.

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Rocks hard and Flash works amazingly well. I also use a 64gb thumbdrive for movies and PSX roms. Two cons:

1 Need to install a modded Roman to get the best function, but not needed if you do not want to. Super easy though.

2 Display looks great straight on, but not same great angles as Xoom.

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Buy it were you can return it the display really drove me crazy.
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I don't understand why moto doesn't make the xoom play any video file without re-encoding. To me this would be a cheap way to one-up the ipad. The Archos tablets already play any video file. Another easy advantage would be to include a dlna client. If the xoom had both of these items, I would buy one today.
Tegra 2 drivers are still not optimized for video playback. Sad but true.
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Tegra 2 drivers are still not optimized for video playback. Sad but true.
They really need to improve that if they want to take on the iPad/iPad2. One of the main functions of a tablet is portable video. It needs to do better there. I'm sure they'll get there, but, at the moment any video over 960 res seems to stutter for me. UGH.
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Buy it were you can return it the display really drove me crazy.
Fast reply! Even before I corrected "Roman"

I view straight on or slight angles. No problem for me, but can understand completely if it is.
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I hate delays while typing text on this forum, not sure if this is xoom issue anyway. I hate no flash and no SD card as well, I might return this device if something else will be found while next two weeks.
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This is an ongoing issue same problem with my Droid X.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 06:29 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Fast reply! Even before I corrected "Roman"

I view straight on or slight angles. No problem for me, but can understand completely if it is.
Also resolution is 1024 x 600 not as sharp as the Xoom.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 07:58 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Also resolution is 1024 x 600 not as sharp as the Xoom.
That can be good or bad (for current apps). Need the USB host, so unless the Xoom or another device gets it, not a practical option for me.

BTW: The microsd card issue may take longer to fix than folks may expect. The dynamic storage management makes a microsd kind of an odd one out. Android will need to make a driver just for the Xoom's card slot. Seems the intent of Honeycomb is to make a contained storage system like Apple and Windows phone.

Interesting to see how this pans out. Will the microsd being added simply add to all total space, or be treated as a seperate logical location? The former creates problems unless you always leave the card in.
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One of the things I liked about the ipad was the ability to rent movies via itunes. I hope google gets a movie store out soon. I love honeycomb though

Does Netflix work?
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Played with the xoom at costco. Nice but not $800+ nice yet.

As soon as I heard the final price a week ago I bought an ipad. $430 for 32gb wifi model. Jailbroke it first day.

Using Filebrowser for access NAS at work.
Netflix is awesome.
Movies look great.
Ass load of games are loaded.
Evernote, Dropbox, and box.net work perfectly.
Lack of Flash sucks a big dong as does Jobs. Can't stress this enough.

Overall I'm pretty happy and I got a pretty good deal. Anyone who is not ready to shell out the $ for the xoom and finds the galaxy tab to small might want to consider picking up an ipad and molesting it for a while. If you can handle the hacking the gtab sounds pretty nice.
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It will be interesting to see how the IPad II impacts Xoom sales. Most people are not a crApple haters like we are here. In fact for the average user they love the iOS format. The thing is we all want the most for our money we want a device with legs. This is why I think I will wait till Wen. to see what the I2 will offer.
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I read an article on MSN today that suggests that the iPad2 isn't such a huge improvement over the original iPad, but, it does have some useful parts. Probably some cameras, obviously a dual core proc, thinner, better battery life, etc. Basically a nominal upgrade as I've said before. But, here's the interesting part, they are suggesting that the iPad2 line as a whole could see a hundred dollar decrease in price across the board. That would be.....bad for Xoom sales. And I'm being kind. The article was very forthcoming about the fact that he was basically pulling this out of his nether regions and had no proof of that announcement, but, given that it's not a HUGE update over the original iPad line, it does seem plausible. Then again, Apple has never been known to compete well on price. Should be interesting to see what happens.
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Old February 28th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #40 (permalink)
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A cheap ipad that doesnt run flash would suck. I might be in for a $300 gtab then...
lol good luck with the crappy screen and lack of honeycomb support
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lol good luck with the crappy screen and lack of honeycomb support
No notifications. No real multitasking. No widgets. Ewwww. I'll keep my Xoom! I love this thing.
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Wait until the second half of the year then.
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This mad rush to innovate and the tech industry battling for consumer dollars in what seems like a fairly PC saturated market is a two edged sword. Products life cycles are CRAZY short. Consumers vote with their wallets to keep manufacturers doing what they are doing. The Xoom is a device with a lot of potential. But it was shipped half baked, as many things are these days. What is worse, about the time they finally work out the bugs, the life cycle is over and no improvements follow. Or even worse the cycle ends with permanently unresolved bugs. Whatever the motivations WE are unwilling beta testers for Google, Verizon and Motorola. We have accepted this burden at a steep cost, which adds insult to injury. We get no acknowledgement from the vendors and are often treated badly for our trouble. I for one would like to suggest that the Xoom buying community demand a little something extra from Verizon. I feel that early adopters are entitled to compensation for this accommodation. The cost of the device will only drop, so we actually pay more to get less (anybody see the iPhone 3GS ads these days for $50?). I would like to see the cost of service reflect the reduced capabilities at least until the features are in place (Flash, 4G, more apps.. etc). I suggest we speak up. Either individually or in a petition. I'm not suggesting a class action but VZ certainly owes us something for our loyalty in light of the iPad2 impending release. I'm a fan of Google and Android but fair is fair.

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Are.... are you serious? I'm sorry, but speak with your wallet and don't buy it. Reviews were in the day before it came out, and if you are an "unwilling beta tester", then take the time to read reviews and see if you're willing to live with them.

And as for your "half baked" accusation, even with the few missing features, it still outclasses the first gen iPad by leaps and bounds. With the limitations, it's still neck and neck with the iPad2 and is set to surpass it pending these updates.
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And as for your "half baked" accusation, even with the few missing features, it still outclasses the first gen iPad by leaps and bounds. With the limitations, it's still neck and neck with the iPad2 and is set to surpass it pending these updates.
I think you missed my point here. I AM willing to live with the temporary limitations. I DID read the reviews. But I think the early adopters have a right to be compensated for their trouble while the thing gets the wrinkles worked out. I work in IT support. I'm exposed every day to unkept promises and no accountability. I think Google, Moto and VZ are entitled to a premium price for a premium product and premium service. But until they deliver that with the Xoom I propose we deserve compensation as consumers. I know it's a new idea to expect things to actually be fully functional at the time they hit the shelves. When was the last time you bought a car where you had to take it back to the dealer at some unknown future date for an upgrade. And meanwhile the radio doesn't work? It's about managing expectations. Or in this case it's about having our expectations managed for us.
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My car has had plenty of recalls and parts replaced. People should not be early adopters if they cannot cope with some shortcomings. I can't tell you how many times I had to reboot my Apple 2e, buggy as hell.
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No one should talk about shortcomings or half baked when the pad didn't have multitask or folders for 7 months. 7 MONTHS.
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And still no flash or 4G for the pad.
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Why do we always have to bring up the iPad?
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I feel the same but I thought it necessary this time become some think the pad was perfect when it came out even though some basic stuff was left out.

Won't haven't again, I think.
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