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Old March 4th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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... cause it is awesome!

While it's non-standard and I thought I'd have to start carrying Yet Another Device along to the office, between the amazing battery life (to me anyway, I have an Evo ) and how fast the Xoom recharges I can leave the charger at home and not have to worry about running out of juice when I'm stuck in a 12+hr day (like now)! I used it this morning and drained it to 90% (took a couple of hours). Plugged it in, took a shower and dressed, and by that time it said "Charged."

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At least they gave us a little bit of length on it. Not like my phone, which is about 2 feet.
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i would still spring for a car charger. you can then, later if you desire, purchase a car charger adapter for a couple bux and have a backup charger for the carry bag...
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Well, I'm going to take back the dock (it doesn't fit with the silicon gel skin) and probably get the car charger anyway, so it's an (over-)price(d) wash. But- I'm pretty sure some of those charger adapters don't put out the kind of current our device's charger needs, so I'd have to get one that puts out at least 1.5A .
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yes it does, i have one, an older one ive had for years, and all is does is pass the AC current/converts/steps down the voltage, and the charger takes it the rest of the way. ive tested this before mentioning it and the xoom charges. these adapters are used to charging things that ask for more voltage than the xoom. again i have one and it works.

as for the gel, did you try the insert.. i guess you did huh.. no luck with the insert? i have a skin coming for the back of the xoom and with (or without) the insert i hope it will fit inside the HD dock i have....
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Does anyone know if you should let the battery completely drain before recharging it or is it ok to plug it in whenever you want to top it off?
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... as for the gel, did you try the insert
... insert?! What insert?!

Seriously, I had no idea there was an insert, but don't those usually constrict the dock, not expand it?
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yes top it off as you go. lithium ion (in this case lithium polymer) does not get battery memory...
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the insert for the standard and HD dock allow you to dock the xoom whilst its in a case/portfolio. your dock comes with an insert... well i thought i read the standard dock comes with an insert.. the HD dock i have does...


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these adapters are used to charging things that ask for more voltage than the xoom.
Well, technically, it's "current" that's the issue, as the car battery voltage is nominally ~13V and fixed. Maybe it was the cheap charger I had, but IIRC I couldn't find one that put out more than 1/2 AMP (or 6W).

What brand of cigarette-lighter adapter do you have?
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ok i think i confused you.. my bag...

this is what im speaking about:

all this does is convert the DC charger for use on AC currrent. i totally confused you and apologize...

with this adapter, you have two chargers in one.

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No, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The one I had couldn't even charge my old-school Treo via it's car-adapter; I was trying to do the same thing you're talking about- consolidating the adapters to make a more-portable solution.

But I probably just got a cheap one that didn't work properly. Then again, when I looked on the Amazon page you posted, some of the "similar items" only put out 300mA; I suspect our Xoom car charger draws more than that.
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At least they gave us a little bit of length on it. Not like my phone, which is about 2 feet.
LOL that is the funniest thing to me. I don't think I'm going to buy a car charger because the cord for this thing is so long. I think I can keep it plugged in at home and just take it with me as I drive. I'm pretty sure it will reach. It's got be be the longest cord on any device or charger I've ever had.
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I have not picked the dock up, still thinking about it.

Does it have a clock mode similar to the Droid/Droid2/Droid X when it is placed into the dock?

How many people leave it plugged in over night (phones too)?
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i leave it plugged in over night (just drop it on the standard dock i got yesterday)... yes i love the battery life, no matter how hard i push it all day long it still has juice but you can't beat the recharge time, from 25% to 100% in just a couple of hours.

those who asked, yes the standard dock comes with 2 "plates", you change the plate if your xoom has any kind of case on it so that it still fits.

i love the battery life and how fast it charges, i think the only reason people hate on the charger it is really does seem like it is going to break. great performance but i can't imagine the chargine "pin" lasting more than a few months.
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I have the portfolio. The Xoom + Portfolio + Dock don't play well together. It's probably the most irritating thing about the Xoom to me (other than the upcoming period where I will have to ship it off).
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i have the portfolio as well and i hate it, the dock i like but the profilio feels like a cheap piece of junk i was very unimpressed, the dock though is very heavy and xoom is very easy to drop on it and take off, i have the standard dock. i am hoping we see some more 3rd party cases soon. i want a proper leather portfolio since i am used to carrying one when i travel for work as it is.
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no the dock does not currently automatically put the xoom into clock mode or any mode.
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I hope they come out with some kind of adaptor that will allow us to charge via a USB port. I have 3000mah battery that I always carry around for extra power (I have the droid X also). It would be nice to be able to use it if I need to. Although, as mentioned before the battery on this does last a very long time. It would be very difficult for me to use up the battery in one day.
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Yea, people don't realize that USB tech is far lagging behind Tech gadgets. The Xoom, and my Samsung Tab for that matter, are just too power hungry for the lowly usb port.
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ok i think i confused you.. my bag...

this is what im speaking about:

all this does is convert the DC charger for use on AC currrent. i totally confused you and apologize...

with this adapter, you have two chargers in one.

Amazon.com: Universal AC to DC Car Cigarette Lighter Socket Adapter (US Plug): Cell Phones & Accessories


I've had mixed results with those. For some unknown reason some gadgets won't charge from those but plug them in a car power port and everything is fine.
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no the dock does not currently automatically put the xoom into clock mode or any mode.
i haven't tried or even looked at it (setting somewhere?) but unless this is a marketing oops motorola says it does

Use the Standard Dock for MOTOROLA XOOM to power up. Set the default view to clock mode, or add some pizzazz with images from your photo gallery. Add to the experience by connecting to external speakers while you watch TV or listen to music as your tablet charges whatever suits your mood.


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under the "get charged up" title.
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im under the assumption that the OP who asked expects the xoom to automatically switch into some docked mode, kind of like how the htc evo does when its in the htc official car dock. thats the assumption i made from the question and it does not do this automatically. to be fair i have the HD dock not the standard, although im sure that may not make a difference. i have not immediately seen an option to set this up to a dock mode.. but i will look.. thank you for keeping me honest here...
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Yea, people don't realize that USB tech is far lagging behind Tech gadgets. The Xoom, and my Samsung Tab for that matter, are just too power hungry for the lowly usb port.
Yes plugging it into a PC or USB hub only gives ~500mA, wall plugs that uses the USB interface are fine, I've seen as high as 5.2V 1.2A, I don't see why Motorola didn't do this with the USB interface. To me, I'm not a fan of having a separate wall charger from the USB port these days, it's so last century now- when I travel I take my laptop, USB cable and my phone or PDA (and of course that wallplug module). No more tangled up wires and plugs for everything anymore, I had to deal with that with my Palm Pilot, Cowan A2, older Blackberries and Motorola phones, etc.
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Yea, the phrase "Programmable Dock" for the Speaker dock sure seems like it can be turned into an Alarm clock for your night stand or launch programs when docked. Sounds like I made the right decision.

Here is the text from Moto on the HD Dock:

MOTOROLA XOOM is the tablet that grows with you, with an array of accessories made to expand its capabilities. There are new "smart dock" docking stations that will not only charge your MOTOROLA XOOM, but also let you watch video on your HD TV, listen to music and work — all at the same time. They are even programmable, which means the settings are remembered each time your tablet is docked. It's an intelligent ecosystem that evolves with you.
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im under the assumption that the OP who asked expects the xoom to automatically switch into some docked mode, kind of like how the htc evo does when its in the htc official car dock. thats the assumption i made from the question and it does not do this automatically. to be fair i have the HD dock not the standard, although im sure that may not make a difference. i have not immediately seen an option to set this up to a dock mode.. but i will look.. thank you for keeping me honest here...

oh i wasn't trying to keep you honest, i had forgotten about that completely and remembered reading something about it so i went and looked it up. i haven't looked with the standard dock either and truth be known i haven't seen anything to set the mode i didn't even know if it was possible. i googled it and couldn't find any way to do it either,,, maybe an option in the clock app? i am more on the path now of hey, can it do it?
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i just read the descrription again and it seems to suggest that there needs to be some manual assistance from the user. i think its cleaver marketing. i have not found a setting for this. and i would imagine if its on the standard dock it should be a given to make this avail on the HD dock...

nevertheless, if you do find this option, let me know. right now i can set this up to display images from all of my photo albums online thru the app "just pictures".
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The Xoom could not have easily charged via USB, as the battery voltage is > 5V, and adding the required step-up converter would have required a fair amount of board real-estate.
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the insert for the standard and HD dock allows you to dock the xoom whilst its in a case/portfolio. your dock comes with an insert
Sumbitch- so I looked at it again (it's been sitting in my trunk with $200 of other iPad/Xoom accessories I'm taking back after trying out and didn't like) and there's an insert already in the dock. Huh- didn't catch that the first time. Using the insert in the box instead does let it the work with a gel-skinned Xoom after all- but it's gonna have to go back anyway 'cause the viewing angle is all wrong for me (I'm too tall, I guess).

I've actually been using this iPad stand at work instead, and I like it (although it doesn't charge, but with our battery life that hasn't been an issue) as it works with the skin on, and the angle is perfect (and all of the contact points are against the gel-skin, not the Xoom's glass).

Not only that, but the protruding micro-USB connector on the Moto dock just seemed like a recipe for disaster if you ever snag it off-kilter.
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Not only that, but the protruding micro-USB connector on the Moto dock just seemed like a recipe for disaster if you ever snag it off-kilter.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. I had a Moto Q9h (most underrated phone ever IMO) with the official Moto dock and felt the same way about the protruding micro-USB connector on the dock at first, but never had any issues with it in the year and a half I had the phone and dock. The Moto dock's are pretty well built, if a bit overpriced.
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Yabbut it's not the $30 dock I'm worried about!
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the insert for the standard and HD dock allow you to dock the xoom whilst its in a case/portfolio. your dock comes with an insert... well i thought i read the standard dock comes with an insert.. the HD dock i have does...
LOL! I just slid off the standard insert and put on the other one that came with the dock. Sure enough, the device fits with the silicone cover on it. Maybe I should have RTFM.
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Yes plugging it into a PC or USB hub only gives ~500mA, wall plugs that uses the USB interface are fine, I've seen as high as 5.2V 1.2A, I don't see why Motorola didn't do this with the USB interface. To me, I'm not a fan of having a separate wall charger from the USB port these days, it's so last century now- when I travel I take my laptop, USB cable and my phone or PDA (and of course that wallplug module). No more tangled up wires and plugs for everything anymore, I had to deal with that with my Palm Pilot, Cowan A2, older Blackberries and Motorola phones, etc.

the usb charging standards specificy that that a device can query the source usb for how much the host can supply. If I recall on USB 2.0 the default is 100mA and then the device can negotiate either 300 or 500. With USB 3.0 I think it can negotiate all the way up to 900mA. (this is why a modern device wont charge with older wall wart or cigarette lighter usb adapters- or with a cable with just the charging conductors- the newer devices are querying the device for the "OK" and the stupid devices wont "reply" so the device will only draw a 100mA 'trickle' charge)

that's less amps then the charger (I think?) and less volts. So you wind up with bunch less watts (volts*amps) so the charge would take significantly longer. But I would have wished it was at least an option.


Also there's some way that devices "in the know" can short a couple pins and then just suck all the juice the source can supply- that's how you can use a modern usb wall wart, cigarette lighter adapter, or the like. I know that my Droid draws well more than 500 mA through a chargepod. That's why the usb chargers that give out 1.2 or even 1.8 amps exist.
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anyone adventurous- take a magnet all along the bottom of the device and see if you can trigger a dock mode. The Droid Pro doesn't officially support car dock mode, but you can place a magnet in the right spot and get it to trigger with the right apk's installed. (hmm but i guess the xoom would need the right apk's....)
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... cause it is awesome!

While it's non-standard and I thought I'd have to start carrying Yet Another Device along to the office, between the amazing battery life (to me anyway, I have an Evo ) and how fast the Xoom recharges I can leave the charger at home and not have to worry about running out of juice when I'm stuck in a 12+hr day (like now)! I used it this morning and drained it to 90% (took a couple of hours). Plugged it in, took a shower and dressed, and by that time it said "Charged."
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I used it this morning and drained it to 90% (took a couple of hours).
Really glad to hear this. My XOOM started at 65% (first use) and took about 3.5 or 4 hours to drain. I'm guessing (like many devices) the first quarter of battery life puts up a larger fight.

I've also been pretty amazed at how QUICKLY Android Devices charge in general.
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I'm pretty sure some of those charger adapters don't put out the kind of current our device's charger needs, so I'd have to get one that puts out at least 1.5A .
I'd meant to update this thread; back when they had the one-day sale on the car charger for $15, I'd started looking for decent AC-to-12V-socket adapters, and after trying a few retail ones that didn't work, I found this charger on Amazon that works very well. Now I have a full-service (car/home) 2nd charging setup for traveling.
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At first I was kind of annoying this new device was throwing a "wrench" into my finely laid plans of having USB chargersr accessible everywhere. All phones were MicroUSB now, my car had a few cigarette lighters with USB ports so I could plug in any phone or GPS with a mini/micro.

I found out a few days later the larger voltage of the charger is what didn't let you have a plain old USB. Using it while charging would slowly drain it more than charge so it just wasn't possible. If it WASN'T for the excellent battery life I'd be annoyed but Motorola did something really well with the 6500 mAh battery. I can go 3-4 days of moderate use without charging.

Last weekend we had an emergency at work. I was forced to work late Thursday (11pm), Friday (9pm my birthday too!) and Saturday/Sunday (6am to 10pm) Most of the time was spent waiting for tape backups to run their restores. My XOOM saved the day. Even when it got low 30 minutes in the charger and I was from 20% back up to 100...amazing..wish my phones charged like that!
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yea, I don't mind having one other cord...I do have a USB charger in every travel bag I have so I don't haev to think about it. But when I take a tablet, it usually is on my mind (i have to actually grab it and pack it etc whereas my phone is always in my pocket). So I don't forget that cable (kinda like a laptop cable).

Obviously, it would be great IF we had the OPTION of charging, even if its small, via USB.

My only real complaint is that it does look like it could break. I kind of wish they made some housing kind of like the XboX 360 controller charger, or like the Headset for the Xbox 360 is a sort of 3.5MM headphone jack with a pastic casing around it...so while its plugged in, something hitting it from the side couldn't break it off inside the tablet. Small complaint yes, but it would prove that the charger was better thought out.
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Good point there...the little actual jack IS kind of flimsy looking. I bought a backup charger for home just in case and keep the other at work.
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