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Default Xoom sales are doing well.

Xoom has a shot of a little more consumer luv:

Motorola Mobility's XOOM May Be Strong Seller - Barrons.com

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Default Xoom sells 100,000 copies!!

Xoom proves it can hold its own: sells 100,000 copies already

Not bad so far!

Motorola Xoom: 100,000 Sold So Far
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Xoom proves it can hold its own: sells 100,000 copies already

Not bad so far!

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I am glad Motorola is having success, but how many have been returned by unsatisfied early adopters? Lots of dissatisfaction, apparently. I hope Motorola hits a home run and this product is a success.

It is more expensive than the iPad. Do you suppose the price difference is either enough to drive folks to the iPad?

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My dad wants one. Knows nothing about Android. Knows nothing about tablets in general. Knows nothing about computers period. Doesn't even have wifi in his house. Wants to buy a wifi only version 'cuz he doesn't want to pay for a data plan. Apparently they look that good. I'm also fairly sure he'd return it inside of a month or hand it to me one.
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The article mentions the number was gotten from the number of 3.0 devices out there. I wonder how many of them were really hacked nook color instead of xooms.
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I am glad Motorola is having success, but how many have been returned by unsatisfied early adopters? Lots of dissatisfaction, apparently. I hope Motorola hits a home run and this product is a success.

It is more expensive than the iPad. Do you suppose the price difference is either enough to drive folks to the iPad?

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How is 100k verses Motor's target of 750k a success? With new and lower cost options imminent, the Xoom will be lucky to sell 50k more unless a $150 to $200 price drop across the line.

Are you folks being sarcastic? 100k does not even cover R&D, marketing, tooling, production costs, distribution, etc. This is a disaster, IF true. Also suggests Moto's production statements are not correct- unless they want to sit on inventory.
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How is 100k verses Motor's target of 750k a success? With new and lower cost options imminent, the Xoom will be lucky to sell 50k more unless a $150 to $200 price drop across the line.

Are you folks being sarcastic? 100k does not even cover R&D, marketing, tooling, production costs, distribution, etc. This is a disaster, IF true. Also suggests Moto's production statements are not correct- unless they want to sit on inventory.
It's Moto's own fault for getting in bed with Verizon and offering only 1unit at launch that was too darn expensive. Then waiting a month to release the WiFi unit. If Moto wanted to sell more units they should have been agressive with pricing. Maybe $599 for the 3G/4G unit and $399 for the WiFi unit ( they would have sold like hotcakes, they would not have been able to make them fast enough). They priced themselves out from the beginning. They got greedy and it seems to have come back to bite them in the butt.

Now the whole SDCard issue. A major selling point against the iPad and we have no idea when it's gonna be resolved. This is why you Never release a half baked product (especially at really high prices).
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ghodzilla, well said. I feel exactly the same way. Motorola were greedy with the pricing, released with a carrier at launch limit choice. Don't get me wrong, I love my xoom until another android tablet come out later this year.
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It's the early adopter tax. They are the first to market so they get to set the price for the first few months until they have someone to compete with. However waiting on the WiFi version, and it still costing $600 + a case, dock, etc. bugs me a bit. But only because I don't really want to spend that much. I've looked at them twice now, and yesterday I went and looked at the Galaxy Tab 7" and the Xoom back to back. With the announcement of the WiFi Tab at $350 I'm tempted to just go with that. But one of the killer apps I want with a tablet is Google Talk Video Chat. Which isn't available on the Tab (Just Qik) and it probably won't be upgraded to 3.0.

So it looks like I'm waiting on the Tab 8.9 with Honeycomb for now so I can compare. The Xoom is a nice device with a nice screen and if I HAD to spend money today I'd buy it, but I think it's going to be a bit big and heavy for what I want it for. We have an iPad 1 that never leaves the house because it's just a bit to big.
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How is 100k verses Motor's target of 750k a success? With new and lower cost options imminent, the Xoom will be lucky to sell 50k more unless a $150 to $200 price drop across the line.

Are you folks being sarcastic? 100k does not even cover R&D, marketing, tooling, production costs, distribution, etc. This is a disaster, IF true. Also suggests Moto's production statements are not correct- unless they want to sit on inventory.
It's called a "Loss Leader"... Now, Moto is the first company that has access to Honeycomb.

Do you really think they will sit on that kind of lead? I project a new tablet from Moto this summer. Xoom 2 maybe? Just because they were first to market, and now have a good grasp on what the market will bear, what features were important to have, and already have a line of accessories for it (Case, keyboard, etc).
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Now I ve been waiting quite sometime to explain my run down on things. I keep seeing and hearing people say that in comparison to the Ipad 2 that the xoom is a flop, failure, etc and to some that the xoom is and is not an Ipad killer. OK, for one I have a xoom, and have an iphone. So I'm not biased in anyway. My take is there will never be a product that will be an Ipad killer. Just look at the history of apple products. Apple will always be apple and people will continue to purchase apple products just because it says Apple. As for as android goes, not one android tablet can stand against apple alone. Collectively I believe eventually with all the honeycomb tablets coming out they will take a share of the tablet market. Now in saying that, that is what the motorola xoom is doing. The goal is not to be an Ipad killer but to take a share of the market. I prefer the xoom over the I pad just because its android and I can customize it. The Ipad is more simple. 2) I hear alot of talk of honeycomb not being ready or very buggy and that people will wait for another honeycomb tablet. Well thats fine. If they chose to wait then wait, but just know that the same honeycomb os thats on the xoom will be on the Asus transformer, galaxy tab and so forth. If the xoom is buggy then so will the others. 3) People say the xoom price is to high. Well just think about it. If the xoom is not an I pad killer and won't be what other tablet is there for it to compare to right now? None. In fact the price is comparable to the I pad so what's the big deal. Its the only honeycomb device right now so its priced reasonably. What apple does good with is advertising in best buy that the xoom fails at. I pad is everywhere in best buy with its own section while the xoom is stuck next to a netbook with its measly dock station and invisible shield screen protector. As soon as you walk n best buy a sign greets you with I pad 2 and now newly blackberry playbook that says coming soon. In conclusiin I love the I pad and I love the xoom. These products are based on preference. I believe the transformer will have a great share of the market even competing or maybe surpassing the xoom because of its laptop like capability. As for as the galaxy tab 10.1, yes its thinner than the xoom but there is nothing that distingishes it enough from the xoom. It won't surpass xooms sells.
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Interesting how now it's doing well? It wasn't 2 weeks ago? I guess the wifi only release was what people are after (and the Canada release as well, although most stores only has 5-10 units). However I don't think this will last long once the Asus Transformer is out with a significantly lower price tag for the same hardware, and as far as I heard, Asus' tablet will have a working sdcard slot.
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The article mentions the number was gotten from the number of 3.0 devices out there. I wonder how many of them were really hacked nook color instead of xooms.
^ yeah this is a good question, B&N has been selling NC's like crazy lately because it's hackable.
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It's called a "Loss Leader"... Now, Moto is the first company that has access to Honeycomb.

Do you really think they will sit on that kind of lead? I project a new tablet from Moto this summer. Xoom 2 maybe? Just because they were first to market, and now have a good grasp on what the market will bear, what features were important to have, and already have a line of accessories for it (Case, keyboard, etc).
Point here is 100K against a target plan of 750K, is not doing well. It is doing VERY badly- IF true. 100K would be all red on a balance sheet.
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Point here is 100K against a target plan of 750K, is not doing well. It is doing VERY badly- IF true. 100K would be all red on a balance sheet.
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An anonymous source, claims Moto spec'd 750K units for the first quarter. Nothing really official, all in all. In fact, that same "source" also claims 4 different color options. From what I see, there is only one.

Motorola has been in this game for quite some time. Mobile communications is what they do. I really doubt they would order 750K units to sell in a single quarter for a "First Ever" device for them.

I mean, hell, they don't even do that with new radio lineups in their Part 90 division, and they've been in that game for about 65 years. And, with only Icom to compete with, they are THE Part 90 radio people.

So, Moto knows how to do introduce new products in "Experimental mode" to test the waters BEFORE they put their arses on the line, so to speak, with a real lineup.
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Well, the only thing in regards to a 750K target is this:
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An anonymous source, claims Moto spec'd 750K units for the first quarter. Nothing really official, all in all. In fact, that same "source" also claims 4 different color options. From what I see, there is only one.

Motorola has been in this game for quite some time. Mobile communications is what they do. I really doubt they would order 750K units to sell in a single quarter for a "First Ever" device for them.

I mean, hell, they don't even do that with new radio lineups in their Part 90 division, and they've been in that game for about 65 years. And, with only Icom to compete with, they are THE Part 90 radio people.

So, Moto knows how to do introduce new products in "Experimental mode" to test the waters BEFORE they put their arses on the line, so to speak, with a real lineup.
I recall Moto refuting rumors they were quickly lowering and halting production and stated "200" per month was the plan. Something is not fitting here. Seems Moto is posturing and rushed the product to market (ship with a broken microsd? That is silly).

Fix the micro sd, drop the price $150 (at least) and it will sell well. Asus could be a pressure for them, but all the gear that device has for $400 seems too good to be true, IMO.
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Moreover, it IS the wifi only device that people ultimately want. At the 599 price point, it is very competitive with the iPad 2. You guys know the specs. Give it some time to filter out. Do you all forget how the G1 rolled out two years ago?
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I recall Moto refuting rumors they were quickly lowering and halting production and stated "200" per month was the plan. Something is not fitting here. Seems Moto is posturing and rushed the product to market (ship with a broken microsd? That is silly).

Fix the micro sd, drop the price $150 (at least) and it will sell well. Asus could be a pressure for them, but all the gear that device has for $400 seems too good to be true, IMO.
It's not posturing, so much as rushing to get a toe into the market first. They are the first ones with a Honeycomb tablet. They know what the price is for production, what they can trim, what is a requirement, and where the price per unit sits on the demand curve.

No other OEM has that information yet. No other OEM has that kind of lead time.

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Moreover, it IS the wifi only device that people ultimately want. At the 599 price point, it is very competitive with the iPad 2. You guys know the specs. Give it some time to filter out. Do you all forget how the G1 rolled out two years ago?
Basically, this is it. I'm sure if we compare the Moto Xoom to the 64 GB iPad 2 w/3G, numbers would be pretty close, I'd presume.

Even with the iPad, people are not buying the top-end models as quickly as the 16 GB wifi only.
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If the Transformer comes out at $400 with a working MicroSD then Moto screwed up bigtime. If they want to compete and sell anymore units they will have to match the Transformer price point or it's game over (as many Xoom WiFi owners will just return the Xoom for the Transformer as we are well within our 30 day return period). I know I may end up doing this as well (especially if they have a working MicroSD and Moto is still screwing around with the issue)

I could see Moto throwing in the towel and not supporting the Xoom as best they can. A significant price drop is definitely needed to stay in the market.
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It's not posturing, so much as rushing to get a toe into the market first. They are the first ones with a Honeycomb tablet. They know what the price is for production, what they can trim, what is a requirement, and where the price per unit sits on the demand curve.

No other OEM has that information yet. No other OEM has that kind of lead time.
Being first isn't always good, time and time again for many years someone putting something out first and has the competition follow up and squash the firstcomer- and actually some businesses has closed down because of it.
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... yesterday I went and looked at the Galaxy Tab 7" and the Xoom back to back. With the announcement of the WiFi Tab at $350 I'm tempted to just go with that.
Don't go with teh 7" Galaxy Tab. It is running 2.2 only. And from what other people using Samsung's phone, they are very bad in updating OS. Many samsung phones are still running 2.1. The chance for this Galaxy Tab get honeycomb is almost zero.
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Don't go with teh 7" Galaxy Tab. It is running 2.2 only. And from what other people using Samsung's phone, they are very bad in updating OS. Many samsung phones are still running 2.1. The chance for this Galaxy Tab get honeycomb is almost zero.
Very true with regards to Samsung updates. For the Tab 2.2 isn't bad, except for the Google Video Talk issue. It doesn't look like there is much of a custom ROM group for the Tab anyway so the chances of a 3.0 port are limited.

If it was sub $250 I'd buy one just to use for now and ditch it later or give it to my daughter. For $350 it jumps above my "impulse buy" line. However if they have a fire sale in a few weeks I might pick on up just 'cus. The size is nice for just doing some quick searches when I don't want to get the laptop, and the phone is too small. Books would be fine as well.

I'm still refining my needs. After holding the Xoom and the Tab, I think the 8.9 (still Samsung) may be the "right" size for me. The HUGE plus for the Xoom however is that it's Pure Google so like my N1 it should be supported for a long time.
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I returned my tab. It's was fun, light weight and easy to use. But the experience is really like using a really big phone.

If the price goes down, my friend already said, he will get one for car GPS use.
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Being first isn't always good, time and time again for many years someone putting something out first and has the competition follow up and squash the firstcomer- and actually some businesses has closed down because of it.
While that might be true, Motorola could flop with ALL of their phones, and still have plenty of money to play around with from their business-band and public safety radio line.

They can afford to have a "loss leader", to get the first access to Honeycomb. Most other vendors can't afford that, because the rest of their business unit markets are very volatile.

People will always order their P25 Trunking radios from Moto, and they will pretty much always get their other communications equipment out the door.
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Yeah their radios are good, I have one of those in my camping backpack.
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While that might be true, Motorola could flop with ALL of their phones, and still have plenty of money to play around with from their business-band and public safety radio line.

They can afford to have a "loss leader", to get the first access to Honeycomb. Most other vendors can't afford that, because the rest of their business unit markets are very volatile.

People will always order their P25 Trunking radios from Moto, and they will pretty much always get their other communications equipment out the door.

This past January, Motorola split into 2 different companys MMI (Motorola Mobility) and MSI (Motorola Solutions).

MMI only does the mobile smartphone stuff. All the legacy stuff you mentioned are MSI.
The public radios and stuff you mention belong to MSI and not MMI.

MMI is on its own now. MMI is who is responsible for the Motorola XOOM and Atrix devices.

If you read the finance news sites, many analysts and hedge funds are downgrading MMI's outlook.

The downgrades are based on the low disappointing sales. It is of concern an alarm if the company won't be around for the next 2 years.
Stock is getting shorted left and right.
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The HUGE plus for the Xoom however is that it's Pure Google so like my N1 it should be supported for a long time.
May be so, but why can't I uninstall that ridiculous and large game Dungeon whatever it's called? hrmpf!
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This past January, Motorola split into 2 different companys MMI (Motorola Mobility) and MSI (Motorola Solutions).

MMI only does the mobile smartphone stuff. All the legacy stuff you mentioned are MSI.
The public radios and stuff you mention belong to MSI and not MMI.

MMI is on its own now. MMI is who is responsible for the Motorola XOOM and Atrix devices.

If you read the finance news sites, many analysts and hedge funds are downgrading MMI's outlook.

The downgrades are based on the low disappointing sales. It is of concern an alarm if the company won't be around for the next 2 years.
Stock is getting shorted left and right.
Incorrect. Motorola Mobility is producing more than just sell phones. Motorola Mobility will also keep producing the set top boxes and home dvrs.
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Xoom proves it can hold its own: sells 100,000 copies already

Not bad so far!

Motorola Xoom: 100,000 Sold So Far
For a company that hyped the Xoom as the official iPad killer and as the only tablet to have 3.0, I'm sure they thought they would sell more than 100,000 units in 6 weeks.

Apparently, the iPad2 is selling 100,000 units daily! I just can't see Motorola being happy with this. And with Samsung set to release the 8.9 and 10.1 shortly (and in the same slim form factor as the iPad2), I just don't see the Xoom being on anyone's wishlist in the near future, which will kill this tablet off completely.

So will Google continue with OTA updates for this device, if the Xoom gets killed off?
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Rushing to get an tablet out first is pretty meaningless unless it is a decent product at a competitive price. Hardly anyone knows about the junky Android phones that came before the Motorola Droid because that was the first Android phone that sold on a competitive level. Motorola just boned this one.



Here's the financial news people were talking about-

http://blogs.forbes.com/ericsavitz/2011/04/05/motorola-mobility-xoom-atrix-both-duds-pacific-crest-says/

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Faucette says channel checks find that sell-through trends for both the Xoom tablet and the Atrix smart phone – that’s the one that you can plug into a laptop-like companion device to take the place of a more conventional notebook PC – “have been disappointing.” He says the Atrix in particular has been hurt by competition from the $49 price points for the Apple 3GS and the HTC Inspire, keeping sales “well below forecast.”


The Pacific Crest analyst chops his 2011 revenue forecast for the company to $12.2 billion from $13.7 billion, cutting his profit projection to 64 cents, from 94 cents. For 2012, he goes to $13.6 billion and $1.10, from $15.3 billion, and $1.73. and he warns that there could be further downside risk to both 2011 and 2012 estimates unless the company can “quickly adjust and refresh its product portfolio” for the 2011 second half and beyond.
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[QUOTE=Covart;2540156]For a company that hyped the Xoom as the official iPad killer and as the only tablet to have 3.0, I'm sure they thought they would sell more than 100,000 units in 6 weeks.

Apparently, the iPad2 is selling 100,000 units daily! I just can't see Motorola being happy with this. And with Samsung set to release the 8.9 and 10.1 shortly (and in the same slim form factor as the iPad2), I just don't see the Xoom being on anyone's wishlist in the near future, which will kill this tablet off completely.

So will Google continue with OTA updates for this device, if the Xoom gets killed off?[/QUOTE

This is my fear as well. Personally I feel the Xoom IS DOA. I just don't see Moto or Google really caring for this device much longer. They really screwed this up. I am going to take mine back and get the Asus Transformer ( I don't want the Samsung as it's skinned with horrible Touchwiz). I may wait for the HTC Flyer as I like Sense.

I think the writing is on the wall for the Xoom and it's not good. What a horrible price point to launch with and just 1 sku to boot.
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The article mentions the number was gotten from the number of 3.0 devices out there. I wonder how many of them were really hacked nook color instead of xooms.
Best that I can figure these numbers, and the ballpark estimates that came out of Deutsche Bank, were based, in part, on numbers provided by Google itself. These numbers were calculated based on accesses to the Android Market within a two week period of time right around April 1st...

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Did every XOOM owner access the Google market in that two week time? What about the Amazon App store which opened in mid-March and was/is giving away free apps daily?


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If you read the finance news sites, many analysts and hedge funds are downgrading MMI's outlook.

The downgrades are based on the low disappointing sales. It is of concern an alarm if the company won't be around for the next 2 years.
Stock is getting shorted left and right.
Cisco and Micro$oft both have seen their stock values stagnate the past few years. Neither is a bad company but both are suffering just like most other big businesses. MMI only has around 6 months of history in the market. At their best (in Jan) their stock got to around 38. Now it's sitting at 24. Yes it's gone down but so has most other tech stocks... the exception, of course, being Apple. In a struggling economy, stock's aren't always the best indicator of the health of a company.
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This is my fear as well. Personally I feel the Xoom IS DOA. I just don't see Moto or Google really caring for this device much longer. They really screwed this up. I am going to take mine back and get the Asus Transformer ( I don't want the Samsung as it's skinned with horrible Touchwiz). I may wait for the HTC Flyer as I like Sense.

I think the writing is on the wall for the Xoom and it's not good. What a horrible price point to launch with and just 1 sku to boot.
I called it a couple of weeks ago and people jumped down my throat. The Xoom is a failure. Motorola overestimated their position, and had way too much confidence in Verizon.

The tablet market is only going to get more competitive as well. Unless the Xoom suddenly sees a dramatic price drop to excite the market, it will be dead by June when newer, sexier, cheaper android tablets start rolling out.

I'm waiting for the Evo View/HTC Flyer personally.
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I'm waiting for the Evo View/HTC Flyer personally.
I definitely want to see one in the flesh, but the more I handle tablets the more I'm leaning towards the Flyer because of the size. If they actually say that the Flyer will be upgraded to 3.0 I'll probably buy it right out of the gate. If they don't I'll wait until the summer and pick up one of the new ones with 3.0. The Samsung 8.9 might be wonderful, but everyone seems to be worried that Samsung doesn't support their products long term.

The market isn't going to do anything until we have some more 3.0 tablets out there. Right now all the potential tablet owners, who are dead set against buying an iPad are just waiting. The Xoom is too expensive to buy when everyone is sure that something better is right around the corner. In the 90's people would research forever to buy a new computer because next month something much better would come out. Now the best computer for most people is the one that's on sale (unless they need a specific gaming rig, or CAD station).

I think that we'll get to the point rather quickly where people will be able to classify what size, weight, battery and UI they want and the filter will show them which two tablets fit their needs.
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It's not posturing, so much as rushing to get a toe into the market first. They are the first ones with a Honeycomb tablet. They know what the price is for production, what they can trim, what is a requirement, and where the price per unit sits on the demand curve.

No other OEM has that information yet. No other OEM has that kind of lead time.



Basically, this is it. I'm sure if we compare the Moto Xoom to the 64 GB iPad 2 w/3G, numbers would be pretty close, I'd presume.

Even with the iPad, people are not buying the top-end models as quickly as the 16 GB wifi only.

I was referring to the low sales numbers that apparently are correct. A few weeks ago, Moto denied this and said they planned on making 200K per month. This now obviously seems like posturing, in this regard. No way they will produce this many if sell through is 100K. That would mean a channel load (sell in) of about 500K units excess. No way.
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Very true with regards to Samsung updates. For the Tab 2.2 isn't bad, except for the Google Video Talk issue. It doesn't look like there is much of a custom ROM group for the Tab anyway so the chances of a 3.0 port are limited.

If it was sub $250 I'd buy one just to use for now and ditch it later or give it to my daughter. For $350 it jumps above my "impulse buy" line. However if they have a fire sale in a few weeks I might pick on up just 'cus. The size is nice for just doing some quick searches when I don't want to get the laptop, and the phone is too small. Books would be fine as well.

I'm still refining my needs. After holding the Xoom and the Tab, I think the 8.9 (still Samsung) may be the "right" size for me. The HUGE plus for the Xoom however is that it's Pure Google so like my N1 it should be supported for a long time.

Sammy is insane if they think a lot of folks will pay $350 for a 7" tab, 2.2, and older chipset- not to mention their PROVEN sucky firmware support. Consumers are becoming more wise to specs and support.
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Best that I can figure these numbers, and the ballpark estimates that came out of Deutsche Bank, were based, in part, on numbers provided by Google itself. These numbers were calculated based on accesses to the Android Market within a two week period of time right around April 1st...

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Did every XOOM owner access the Google market in that two week time? What about the Amazon App store which opened in mid-March and was/is giving away free apps daily?




Cisco and Micro$oft both have seen their stock values stagnate the past few years. Neither is a bad company but both are suffering just like most other big businesses. MMI only has around 6 months of history in the market. At their best (in Jan) their stock got to around 38. Now it's sitting at 24. Yes it's gone down but so has most other tech stocks... the exception, of course, being Apple. In a struggling economy, stock's aren't always the best indicator of the health of a company.
HUGE differences there. Cisco and MS are VERY diverse in their portfolios. Motorola is not very diverse at all. The antithesis in fact.

Moto spirals down, they have nothing internal to save them.
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For a company that hyped the Xoom as the official iPad killer and as the only tablet to have 3.0, I'm sure they thought they would sell more than 100,000 units in 6 weeks.

Apparently, the iPad2 is selling 100,000 units daily! I just can't see Motorola being happy with this. And with Samsung set to release the 8.9 and 10.1 shortly (and in the same slim form factor as the iPad2), I just don't see the Xoom being on anyone's wishlist in the near future, which will kill this tablet off completely.

So will Google continue with OTA updates for this device, if the Xoom gets killed off?
Per sales analysts, the higher feature models are about 20% of sales for Apple (for both iPad and iPod). Quick math suggests the upper end devices of the iPad2 sold already, far more then the Xoom.
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HUGE differences there. Cisco and MS are VERY diverse in their portfolios. Motorola is not very diverse at all. The antithesis in fact.

Moto spirals down, they have nothing internal to save them.
Corporate stock isn't typically valued by it's portfolio. It's valued by the companies investors. If investors lose confidence, stocks get sold and stock prices take a hit. The most diverse company in the world can quickly find themselves with penny stock if their investors have no faith in them or the products they sell.

MMI has a successful radio business. They've also designed and sold some awesome smartphones. While the launch of the Xoom may not have been optimal in our eyes the writing is not yet on the walls for them. And beyond this... if MMI's future was in serious doubt I doubt they'd have recently announced their intent to purchase a Swedish IPTV firm...

Motorola Mobility Announces Intent to Acquire Dreampark - Yahoo! Finance

As Baseball great, Yogi Berra, once said: "It ain't over till it's over"...
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