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Old April 14th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Man, I really want to Root and ROM my freaking Xoom but I'm waiting till after the 4G/SD Card enabling update to do it cause, well, let's face it, I don't want to send it back in, just to get it sent back in the same, unmodified, condition because I have already Rooted and ROM'ed it. It's killing me because I know what it(Rooting and ROM'ing) can do for a device. For instance, I own an LG Ally, quite simply, the cheapest and most basic Android phone there is. After having an EnV2 for a little more than 2 years, the Ally was a free upgrade, and by free I mean they started tacking an additional $30 a month onto my bill. But it wasn't really what I expected from a "Smart Phone". In many ways the EnV2 was a better phone. No lag time between opening an app and it actually opening, and not having to wait forever for it to boot up. The music just played without having to navigate through an excruciatingly slow menu, etc...! I was about to give up on the whole "Android Smart Phone" idea until I found out about Rooting and custom ROM's. Then the whole game changed. I found myself with a much snappier, more reliable and, hell I'll say it, FAST phone! Since then I was hooked. When Motorola announced that they would be offering an Android based tablet I though "Hell yeah! I'm getting one on opening day", and did. So now here we are, a full month and another half into ownership, and, it's not that I'm not very impressed with the device, but I find myself wondering, "If attaining root access, flashing a custom recovery and installing a new ROM has done so much for a crappy phone like the Ally, I can only imagine how those procedures can transform a kick ass device like the Xoom". So I guess I started this thread just to, what I like to think of as "Story Bitch", but oh well. If you have a good story that culminates to a bitching rant, post it up here. Hey, I'll read it cause what the hell, it's not like I've got anything better to do while I wait for Google/Verizon/Motorola to figure out how and when they want to give me 4G and a working SD Card slot.

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Old April 14th, 2011, 07:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well we won't get the sweet ROMs till google releases the source for honeycomb, but mines rooted and so far allowed me to overclock and gain sd support. Although mine is the wifi only version so I do understand the concern with sending it in for the 4G update...

Even without the custom roms I'm still 100% satisfied at this point. I get maybe 1 or 2 force closes a week, and terrific battery life. It has completely replaced my laptop.
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Well we won't get the sweet ROMs till google releases the source for honeycomb
Even without the custom roms I'm still 100% satisfied at this point. I get maybe 1 or 2 force closes a week, and terrific battery life. It has completely replaced my laptop.
I don't know why Google is being so "Steve Jobs" about the Honeycomb files, it seems stupid to limit access since that's the best way to mod devices and to create apps specifically tailored for the Honeycomb version. As for replacing a laptop, hell yeah! I haven't even turned my laptop on since I got the Xoom! I know it's "in the works" to get those of us with the 3G version the 4G and SD card support update but damnit I'm impatient as hell!! I gave those bastards my loyalty, my support, my MONEY, so where's the love?
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Old April 17th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't know why Google is being so "Steve Jobs" about the Honeycomb files, it seems stupid to limit access since that's the best way to mod devices and to create apps specifically tailored for the Honeycomb version. As for replacing a laptop, hell yeah! I haven't even turned my laptop on since I got the Xoom! I know it's "in the works" to get those of us with the 3G version the 4G and SD card support update but damnit I'm impatient as hell!! I gave those bastards my loyalty, my support, my MONEY, so where's the love?
Why? Because, I think, they are concerned about companies and individuals trying to dump copies of Honeycomb on Smartphones... and other devices that Honeycomb simply wasn't designed to run on. My guess is that Honeycomb simply wasn't ready for prime time and they want to limit damage control until they've fixed some bugs in the OS...
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Why? Because, I think, they are concerned about companies and individuals trying to dump copies of Honeycomb on Smartphones... and other devices that Honeycomb simply wasn't designed to run on. My guess is that Honeycomb simply wasn't ready for prime time and they want to limit damage control until they've fixed some bugs in the OS...
That's the most intelligent assumption to date! It still doesn't explain what the hold up is and why I still don't have SD card support though. Don't get me wrong, I love my Xoom, I find new uses or interesting functionality for it every day it seems but I can't help feeling like we're getting boned somehow. Oh well, in another few months it will be as bad ass as they promised from the start, or at least I hope so, and none of this will even matter but, until then............ COME ON ALREADY!!!!!!!!
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Honeycomb does not work correctly on any device unless there is a few gigs of internal flash. Devices that use a "rom" chip for app storage and a microsd for apps2sd will not work correctly with Honeycomb.
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Dropped by the local VZW shop to have my XOOM looked at and the tech guy asked if I had sent mine into for the 4G upgrade. Already underway or about to?
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Man, I really want to Root and ROM my freaking Xoom but I'm waiting till after the 4G/SD Card enabling update to do it cause, well, let's face it, I don't want to send it back in, just to get it sent back in the same, unmodified, condition because I have already Rooted and ROM'ed it.

You will still be able to upgrade your device even if you rooted the device. Here is an article that was released a day or so ago about it.

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any news on when there'll be an update for Xoom's SD card, and IF the USB will ever be a host?
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Since we don't know when the powers that be release the update, go ahead and root it. With ClockWorkMod, you can back up your rooted ROM on your SD card. Remove the SD card and revert back to stock before sending it to Motorola. When you get it back, simply reroot and reinstall ClockWorkMod and restore your ROM.
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Does Motorola not appreciate that the microsd not working is hurting sales and causing returns? There are now two equal level tablets out that cost less and have fully functioning microsd slots.

Seems that Motorola are shooting themselves in the foot, more than once.
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Does Motorola not appreciate that the microsd not working is hurting sales and causing returns? There are now two equal level tablets out that cost less and have fully functioning microsd slots.

Seems that Motorola are shooting themselves in the foot, more than once.
I think the other tablet manufacturers developed some work arounds for the issues in honeycomb keeping us from using expandable storage. We will see what sort of issues arise on these tablets when Google pushes the update to honeycomb enabling SD cards.
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All I know is microsd works perfectly with the A500 and so does USB host (even powers and works with 1tb NTFS HDs with a patch). Not seeing how whatever Android does with Honeycomb will impact anything, since will be a similar solution (internal sd, external sd, etc). The reason is Honeycomb must have apps and data installed with the internal storage and any other storage is for media only.

The fact is Motorola has had a broken feature on their device for months and other OEMs have it working. How hard is it for Moto to add the card path to their firmware? My guess is the 4g port and sd card update are the same update plan, so the card will not work until 4G is ready to work.

This means folks that have wifi only versions are waiting and should not have to (along with losing sales). Motorola should have taken the effort to add the card path and release a patch. It will not impact the apps or OS, since it is for media only. Moto are simply screwing customers over by waiting on a one fix solution, rather than fixing something broken (out of box) now.

Motorola seems out of touch, since the device is becoming overpriced to the competition, yet STILL has a broken feature that some consumers want.

That said, the wifi on the Xoom seems much better than on the A500. I also prefer the Xoom's smaller size. The Transformer is even wider than the A500 (due to keyboard fit).
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Android 3.1 still isnít intended, at the operating system level, for managing external storage devices. This detail, which came out in conversations I had with Google engineers today, explains why the Android file system organization is, well, a mess, and why Iíve had such inconsistent experiences with Android and removable storage across the various Honeycomb tablets Iíve tried (and Iíve tried all of them that are available so far).

ďWe donít want to expose the user to file locations,Ē explained Hiroshi Lockheimer, director of engineering at Google. ďHow do you manage that as a user? The not-good answer is with the file browser.Ē Lockheimer says that many of the experiences Iíve seen so far are what individual hardware manufacturers have enabled, as opposed to what Google has provided natively. The good thing is that Lockheimer says Google is looking at ways to do this; but the problem hasnít been solved yet.
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I'm a little confused though- if they're saying, in the article marctronixx posted, that they're still working on the problem, how do we have new tablets with working SD card slots?
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I'm a little confused though- if they're saying, in the article marctronixx posted, that they're still working on the problem, how do we have new tablets with working SD card slots?
If you are referring to the ASUS and Samsung Honeycomb tablets it's because the hardware manufacturer developed their own interim solution to make the SD card slot work...
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If you are referring to the ASUS and Samsung Honeycomb tablets it's because the hardware manufacturer developed their own interim solution to make the SD card slot work...
Yes and both work very well with microsd (not seen the new Galaxy, but testers say it does) out of the box and so does the A500. Moto waiting for an Android Team solution when Android Team does NOT want it there in the first place seems counter-productive.

Do folks not think it not working this long is a tad absurd? It is not like the function will be any different, since the mapping will be the same as the A500 and Transformer.

I guess this thread answers my question I ask if the 3.1 update fixed the microsd. People making excuses for Motorola now seems too lenient at this point. You have paid for an advertised feature that STILL does not work.

Seems insane, especially since sales have been impacted and returns caused by it.
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This is fancy side-talk for "Honeycomb was intended to only have internal storage and no external".

The fact is OEMs know better what customers want and pushed REAL hard for external storage and basically said "screw U Google", we will make our own. Motorola's near naive complacency in this is only screwing customers and sales.

The A500 works fantastic with 32gb microsd, 64gb TDs, 500gb FAT HDs and 1tb NTFS HDs and powers them all using the tablet & battery power. I play 700mb PlayStation roms and movies with no issues.
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Yes and both work very well with microsd (not seen the new Galaxy, but testers say it does) out of the box and so does the A500. Moto waiting for an Android Team solution when Android Team does NOT want it there in the first place seems counter-productive.

Do folks not think it not working this long is a tad absurd? It is not like the function will be any different, since the mapping will be the same as the A500 and Transformer.

I guess this thread answers my question I ask if the 3.1 update fixed the microsd. People making excuses for Motorola now seems too lenient at this point. You have paid for an advertised feature that STILL does not work.

Seems insane, especially since sales have been impacted and returns caused by it.
Personally it's not that big of a deal to me at this time! I've got my entire music library sync'd to the internal memory on the Xoom and have several video's sync'd too. While I may not have 32 gig of MP3's to load on the Xoom, I've got several gig and they work just fine.

Would I like to have the external SD card support? Abso-freaken-lutely! Is the lack of SD card support impacting me today? Nope!
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I'm really pissed about lack of microsd support. I bought a 32g card when I bought my xoom to get that out of the way. If they never enable it I wasted $80 because they made a promise they wont deliver on.

Bastards.
man just root it i am we now know its gonna be even longer because we just got the 3.1 update and still no SD support so the odds that we get another update soon is i think slim to none
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You know what's funny? Now that this OTG cable is so cool, I think I would prefer to get data from my USB stick. SD cards are smaller and more elegant but I am often saddled with machines that were made before we discovered the wheel but after we discovered fire (the have USB 2.0 ports but no SD/memory stick slots.)
We still suffer the same problems unless we get root access.
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You know what's funny? Now that this OTG cable is so cool, I think I would prefer to get data from my USB stick. SD cards are smaller and more elegant but I am often saddled with machines that were made before we discovered the wheel but after we discovered fire (the have USB 2.0 ports but no SD/memory stick slots.)
We still suffer the same problems unless we get root access.
i mean i have mine rooted and love the sd card and i dont have an OTG cable but i think i need to invest in one soon
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I was at Verizon yesterday and while I was waiting read their spring/summer advertisement magazine and it still says the 4G upgrade will be in spring 2011 - which means they have about a month. Problem is customers are still being told this.
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Interesting, i've been trying to mess with the clock-update thingy but no dice on the update, it seems as if they're trying to integrate the Micro SD into the Xoom on our patch, and if it works good it may get added onto another update for you guys
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Interesting, i've been trying to mess with the clock-update thingy but no dice on the update, it seems as if they're trying to integrate the Micro SD into the Xoom on our patch, and if it works good it may get added onto another update for you guys

We'll see. Things are a bit ambiguous: http://supportforums.motorola.com/message/384377#384377 suggests that this may be a load of crap but part of the discussion speculates that this is still tied to the LTE upgrade which would hint that international and Wi-Fi customers may get it sooner or later than U.S. 3g customers. Who knows?
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We'll see. Things are a bit ambiguous: http://supportforums.motorola.com/message/384377#384377 suggests that this may be a load of crap but part of the discussion speculates that this is still tied to the LTE upgrade which would hint that international and Wi-Fi customers may get it sooner or later than U.S. 3g customers. Who knows?
Yep, looks about as clear as mud!

Im more interested in the Otterbox right now anyways, I have one on Pre-order so HOPEFULLY by the end of the month they'll get shipped out. (not holding my breath tho )
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this is why i am SO glad i waited to get the WIFI only xoom because i dont have to worry about sending it back and 2 weeks after i got it i now have SD card and limited usb hosting working on my tab AND I have a full recovery and restore i could not ask for more out of my xoom at the moment... it seams those who dont have t
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Are you saying the Zoom, Wi-Fi already can use the SD card?
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So if the rumors about the Bionic being delayed because NVIDIA's Tegra 2 wasn't playing nice with Verizon's LTE, then does this mean XOOM owners are out of luck with this promised, yet apparently unattainable 4G/LTE upgrade?
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So if the rumors about the Bionic being delayed because NVIDIA's Tegra 2 wasn't playing nice with Verizon's LTE, then does this mean XOOM owners are out of luck with this promised, yet apparently unattainable 4G/LTE upgrade?
In a long and frustrating holding pattern... yes! Out of luck? Hopefully not!

Verizon and Motorola would both get publically raked over the coals ever worse than they already have if they don't eventually deliver the 4G/LTE update. And their lawyers would be fighting a painful (and expensive) class action suit over the debacle.

My guess is that this explains why the update is still not available. They've been fighting to figure out a work-around to the problem. For all we know Google may also be involved in the development of a fix so three different companies would have to approve the fix before it's finally released.
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In a long and frustrating holding pattern... yes! Out of luck? Hopefully not!

Verizon and Motorola would both get publically raked over the coals ever worse than they already have if they don't eventually deliver the 4G/LTE update. And their lawyers would be fighting a painful (and expensive) class action suit over the debacle.

My guess is that this explains why the update is still not available. They've been fighting to figure out a work-around to the problem. For all we know Google may also be involved in the development of a fix so three different companies would have to approve the fix before it's finally released.

It would be nice if we could at least get a little information from Verizon or Moto about what is going on with the feature updates. I've had this tablet for over 4 months and am starting to run out of internal memory space. Maybe its time to root...
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Verizon and Motorola would both get publically raked over the coals ever worse than they already have if they don't eventually deliver the 4G/LTE update. And their lawyers would be fighting a painful (and expensive) class action suit over the debacle.
...and they certainly wouldn't still be advertising it as "the only 4G/LTE upgradable tablet".
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so is there sd support or not.. i see on the web people are using it? is it a root thing or is it possible now?
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so is there sd support or not.. i see on the web people are using it? is it a root thing or is it possible now?
as of now...you need to be rooted.
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so is there sd support or not.. i see on the web people are using it? is it a root thing or is it possible now?

Yes you need to be rooted running a modded clockwork recovery and kernel both easy to flash. ...

As for everyone in here who has a us 3g model why have you not rooted? The one click root at xda has a one click unroot and relock.
Root enjoy the SD card and when the 4g update comes out just one click unroot and have 4g and maybe SD card support
Both the root and unroot and relock have been highly tested so the risk is there but it is very very small
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As for everyone in here who has a us 3g model why have you not rooted? ....
Both the root and unroot and relock have been highly tested so the risk is there but it is very very small
Because I don't want to potentially screw it up. See the second sentence. I also want to be running stock for development and testing.
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For those of us who got on contract, if it is determined that the 4G/LTE upgrade isn't coming, you think Verizon will let us off contract seeing as they potentially didn't deliver? I'm ok putting on my angry customer hat.
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For those of us who got on contract, if it is determined that the 4G/LTE upgrade isn't coming, you think Verizon will let us off contract seeing as they potentially didn't deliver? I'm ok putting on my angry customer hat.
On-contract folks aren't alone in growing dissatisfaction. It is a growing sign of disrespect toward the guys who spend alot of money with Verizon for Big Red not to even bother to address it.
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Now that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is going to come out before any info on a XOOM 4G upgrade, people are really starting to point fingers. I've got a note into Verizon asking for more details, but my guess is - like everyone else - there won't be much explanation:
XOOM 4G Delay Limps Past Galaxy Tab 10.1 Launch

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Now that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is going to come out before any info on a XOOM 4G upgrade, people are really starting to point fingers. I've got a note into Verizon asking for more details, but my guess is - like everyone else - there won't be much explanation:
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maybe a good sign?

Motorola Contacting XOOM Owners about 4G LTE, Upgrade Process Underway?
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I spoke w/ customer service at lunch yesterday and there was no info in their database about it other than it would be available in Q2.

Poor Mike@ id#352714 I wasn't mean to him but I asked him for as much information as he had about what the deal is with this thing and when things would be acceptable. I made sure to go over everything with him (I told him that I'd call back for updates, hehe.) I figure if the support line keeps humming, they'll want to reduce that cost somehow... (I'd solve it by no longer accepting calls from Washington DC, but I am a horrible person.)
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Hi, my fellow users. I did the only thing I could do in my situation: I gave Verizon a call to see what we could work out.

1. I explained that I felt that I was not getting the value out of my Xoom for the money I was paying for 3g data.

2. I admitted that I was aware of the tablet's shortcommings but was willing to overlook them for a good deal on 4g data and the 3 of us (VZW, Motorola and I have a different idea of what "soon" is.)

3. I told them that I don't feel that the contract that gives me a bad deal on 3g data is particularly fair.

After we got past the discussions of "soon" and "4g coverage area," the customer service supervisor was willing to suspend my data service so that I don't have to pay for LTE service that they were furiously advertising yet not delivering.

I'm not getting anything for free and am still paying a little bit of an idiot tax for buying the XOOM, but my advice to my fellow XOOM owners is to try to work with someone who understands what customer service is. There might be the side benefit of VZW kicking Motorola in the butt because their customer service has to spend time on the phone with people like me who think that 3g is OK for a phone but not a tablet.

Sure, my buyer's remorse is much stronger than I let on to the representatives because they actually fix (sort of) the problems, they aren't the cause of them(often.)

To add insult to injury, I just got another email from Verizon bragging about their LTE devices and having a picture of the XOOM right in the middle of it. If I were at all significant, I would feel that they were baiting me. lol
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I guess euros are having the last laugh, where the hell is my SD update
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So, I'm wondering if I should just cancel my data. Moto has made no concrete indication on this 4G upgrade, and as a customer I feel liked to and taken advantage of.

Any advice on how likely it is that I will be released from my agreement given that I have yet to hear about some 4G upgrades?
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moto will not release you out of your contract.
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