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I've been playing guitar for about 3 years now. I prefer acoustic guitars over the electric ones but both are different and nice. If you are not sure what to do, you should get an acoustic guitar (for about $100 you can get a cheap "real" one). Stick with it for a while and if you want to buy a better instrument (acoustic, electric, classical, whatever), you'll be able to pick a guitar you really like and you won't regret spending so much on it. You can then use your first guitar to play outside or stuff like that.
You can become quite good if you teach yourself and it's much cheaper than lessons. In my opinion, it varies greatly from person to person. Also the more your practice the better you will get, it's that simple. With internet you can learn pretty much everything you want.
As for good guitars, I seriously don't know. I own a cheap acoustic (about $100), a not-so-cheap acoustic (a little more than $400) and a cheap electric (Epiphone Les Paul Special II, I don't remember the price but it's not good at all, it was about $200 if I recall correctly).
There isn't that much of a difference between the two acoustics (well, besides the look). But for the electric, you should get an instrument of quality (I'd suggest at least 300-400 for an average guitar).
Plus a lot of people start playing and give up, so you should start with something simple. Also with an acoustic guitar you'll get the "classic guitar sound", but with an electric you'll need a quality amp and you probably won't get all the sounds you want from it.
I've been playing guitar for about 3 years now. I prefer acoustic guitars over the electric ones but both are different and nice. If you are not sure what to do, you should get an acoustic guitar (for about $100 you can get a cheap "real" one). Stick with it for a while and if you want to buy a better instrument (acoustic, electric, classical, whatever), you'll be able to pick a guitar you really like and you won't regret spending so much on it. You can then use your first guitar to play outside or stuff like that.
Yeah.. someone recomended Yamaha Pacifica saying its about 150$ which seems ok.
I think I would prefer an acoustic to start with for quite a few reasons.. I am not an audiophile or I don't consider myself one.. but, I suppose I can still be picky.. Going electric would take too much time/energy for me.
If I get really into it down the road.. maybe.. till I am really in want of an electric specifically I'm sticking to acoustic.. which I am a metal head.. but, kinda like the sound of just an acoustic guitar.
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You can become quite good if you teach yourself and it's much cheaper than lessons. In my opinion, it varies greatly from person to person. Also the more your practice the better you will get, it's that simple. With internet you can learn pretty much everything you want.
Yeah, the idea of practicing something that isn't as much critical thinking as writing a program is very nice. I was hoping to avoid lessons seeing as my bet is that I would pay for lessons, end up going, then still practicing 30 minutes to an hour or more every day.. I mean you can pay for all the lessons in the world but, at the end of the day, its all in your drive to practice and get better..
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As for good guitars, I seriously don't know. I own a cheap acoustic (about $100), a not-so-cheap acoustic (a little more than $400) and a cheap electric (Epiphone Les Paul Special II, I don't remember the price but it's not good at all, it was about $200 if I recall correctly).
Eh.. def wanna stay under 200$ or 150$ I want something that sounds good, and something that as soon as I get semi decent I am not going to say "well.. time for a new guitar!"
On the flipside, I don't need anything super high end..
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There isn't that much of a difference between the two acoustics (well, besides the look). But for the electric, you should get an instrument of quality (I'd suggest at least 300-400 for an average guitar).
Plus a lot of people start playing and give up, so you should start with something simple. Also with an acoustic guitar you'll get the "classic guitar sound", but with an electric you'll need a quality amp and you probably won't get all the sounds you want from it.
Yeah, I figured electric would be a lot more expensive.. Like I said, if I ever have need for one or I feel comfortable enough with the acoustic that I really wanna hop on an electric, I can cross that bridge later.
Acoustic is fine with me. Hell, could be fun to try and learn some of my fav songs on acoustic.
Songs your use to hearing on electric always have a new flavor on acoustic.
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For brands, well, avoid anything like "First Act Guitars" or things like that. What you want is probably the cheap guitars in a music shop, not the guitars in a Toys'r'us or a Wal-Mart.
The best thing would be to go with a friend to have him/her pick a good acoustic guitar. Trying all the frets, looking for "buzzing" sounds, stuff like that.
Also the "action" is really important. It's the distance between the strings and the neck. The higher it is, the harder it is for your fingers (it's probably going to be rough at first, until some small calluses build up). The lower it is, the easier it will be, but if you play too loud the string will touch the neck when vibrating creating a "buzzing sound", something you really don't want when playing.
I don't really know what else to tell you, are there any other guitarists here?
I play acoustic, piano, and ukulele. Been on the acoustic for about 5 years. I've never owned an electric, so i'll steer clear of any advice giving in that dept.
takamine and washburn are two great starter brands, you can usually find a decent guitar for around $150-350. Washburns have good "action" like daschmarotzer was talking about.
As far as lessons, I started out buy looking up all the major chords online and learning those. Once you learn all your majors, minors, and maybe even a couple 7th chords, you can start looking up chords to songs and messing around with them. My brother is a really good guitarist, so I can attribute fast learning to his help, so it's always good to know someone who can help you out a bit.
I always tell people the key to learning an instrument is to WANT TO PLAY IT CONSTANTLY!!!!
tommy_ed is exactly right. You won't be able to get thru the "really sore fingertip period" unless you really want to play. I've been playing guitar for about 40 yr.
My sister & I put in $10 ea. and bought a guitar from a pawn shop. I still can't believe I learned to play on it - the strings must have been 1/2" off the fret board.
This was in '64 & I got books of Beatles songs and just learned to play. One sister was taking piano lessons then and her teacher wrote out lots of popular songs including the guitar chords so I learned to play lots of them too. I had a couple of friends learning at the same time so we could get together & learn from each other. Played rock & roll for a few years - learned a lot from our lead guy.
Bottom line is - just get a guitar & start playing - don't worry about the model at this point. You can get a better one if you find that you really like playing. Also when starting, electric or acoustic doesn't really matter - a guitar is a guitar from a new learner POV. In 6 mo. you might have learned enough to know which style you really like to play.
One caution - learn to play the whole song, not just a riff here & there. I've met many good pickers that just don't know any songs all the way thru. You can't get girls to sit down with you if all you know is the beginning of "Stairway To Heaven". Learn some funny songs to get them laughing and then start slipping in the love songs.
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tommy_ed is exactly right. You won't be able to get thru the "really sore fingertip period" unless you really want to play. I've been playing guitar for about 40 yr.
My sister & I put in $10 ea. and bought a guitar from a pawn shop. I still can't believe I learned to play on it - the strings must have been 1/2" off the fret board.
This was in '64 & I got books of Beatles songs and just learned to play. One sister was taking piano lessons then and her teacher wrote out lots of popular songs including the guitar chords so I learned to play lots of them too. I had a couple of friends learning at the same time so we could get together & learn from each other. Played rock & roll for a few years - learned a lot from our lead guy.
Bottom line is - just get a guitar & start playing - don't worry about the model at this point. You can get a better one if you find that you really like playing. Also when starting, electric or acoustic doesn't really matter - a guitar is a guitar from a new learner POV. In 6 mo. you might have learned enough to know which style you really like to play.
One caution - learn to play the whole song, not just a riff here & there. I've met many good pickers that just don't know any songs all the way thru. You can't get girls to sit down with you if all you know is the beginning of "Stairway To Heaven". Learn some funny songs to get them laughing and then start slipping in the love songs.
exactly,
I have been playing for 25 years, and have been in working bands for most of them.
GO TO THE PAWN SHOP! Musicians are notoriously broke, hence the joke: what's the difference between a guitarist and a pizza? the pizza can feed a family of 4.. They are ALWAYS in and out of pawn shops, there are lots of good find there for beginners.
Also, in my experiences, if you know other guitarists or musicians, once you get a few chords down start jamming with them.. You will learn much quicker, and it will keep you interested. One of the bands I was in we had a guy who had only been playing for 2 years, after a few months playing his with us he sounded like he had been for 10.
Guitar noodling is an awesome hobby. I've always been a big Ibanez electric fan. They have some low end models that are really high quality for the price. Check out Musician's Friend for some great deals. I've always preferred Ibanez because the fretboard is thinner than most Fenders and seem a bit easier to play in my opinion.
Be sure to learn some scales along with the chords. Minor Pentatonic is the easiest. You'll be terrible for about a month so just accept that and keep practicing.
My vote goes to self-teaching. You need to be able to figure out music on your own if you want to be good at it, and the best was is to teach yourself.
I started playing at 5, my dad showed me some of the basic stuff and by time i was 12 i could solo and stuff lol it probably would've been sooner, but I wasn't all that into it from ages 7-10 but I picked it up again, and I'm glad I did.
Use your ears to find the pitch of a note, then find the note on the guitar. It just takes some practice man
I play the guitar. I only use an acoustic Yamaha but it works well for me. If you plan to be a starter, originally I would've recommended a nylon stringed one. But I think it's best that the ones who are new to playing it should start with metal strings so that it's easier for them to use other guitars as well. Calluses are inevitable, and sometimes even a must. Go for it!
I've been playing guitar for about 30 years I play a Martin d45 mostly classical very few lessons accept for some classical composing all you need is devotion I also play a fender acoustic that I love which was about 300 bucks that's all you need a Martin d45 will run you about 2500 good luck
I've been playing about 15 years, and am self-taught. You can definitely excel if you teach yourself, but I would stress taking lessons from someone. It will save you a lot of time if you don't develop bad habits that someone can help you avoid. It makes figuring things out much easier when you have someone to show you. I would find someone that can teach you general playing habits and help you learn songs that you want to learn (much easier to stay interested than just music theory). Also, ask anyone you see how they do things you want to learn. Some guys are really helpful.
I second the nod for Ibanez guitars (electric and acoustic). They have some decent stuff in a cheap range. Fender has some good acoustics at a cheap price.
I've only been playing guitar for about 7 months (but i have years of experience with other instruments) and imo, you definitely DO NOT want to buy a cheapy to just try it and see. You get what you pay for and no matter how good someone says a cheap guitar is, its still gonna suck to play. It wont sound good, feel good, or play good. You probably dont want to spend any less than say, 300 after tax. Even that guitar isnt gonna be so good, but it is true to a certain extent....why buy an expensive guitar if your not going to play it in the end. So just go to a good music store and take a look around, ask the employees there for advice.
Ive been completely self-taught in music, never had lessons in my life. Youtube, and ultimateguitar.com have been the only things ive used to learn songs.
If you like the sound of electric, go electric and if you like the sound of acoustic, go acoustic. You are not going to play what you don't like.
Make sure the strings are close to the neck, and get light gauge strings to start with.
If you can afford lessons, at least to start with, that would be a good way to go.
I've been playing music all of my life, and guitar is my 7th instrument. When starting out the guitar I got the most out of was a used Epiphone Casino. It's an archtop, full hollow, acoustic/electric guitar. I paid about 400 for it. I can play it plugged in or not, it has a very easy to play fretboard, and it's very light weight. If you go with any used guitar, get it at a reputable music store that has a guitar tech and have him set it up for you (good advice for a new guitar, too).
Taught myself to play when I was a senior in high school, and I'm 52 years old now.... so it's been so long ago I really can't remember how difficult it was to learn. I do know I practiced a lot in the early years, not so much these days.
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Been playing for 5-6 years, taught myself. I wouldn't say it's difficult, it's something to do. Something to learn. A skill to develop, like any other.
A lot of my friends play guitar and I really wanted to learn it but I guess I'm just not musically talented.. it's not that I dont know how to strum or learn chords, i just couldn't really "play" the music.. i was more reciting them and it's boring when you have to follow everythign textbooks style.. I couldn't make it my own.. plus i suck lol
it's not too hard. If you get the hang of it, you can play easy songs as long as you have chords. I bought my first guitar at costco, about $100. for your first guitar you can just buy anything that sounds good and is cheap. Pawn shop sounds good.
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I played (I probably still can), but I've not done it to any great extent since my son was born. I get annoyed when I pick up now though, I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be. I've an Ibanez Artist AR 105, a Gibson SG (very rare model with a Bigsby Tremelo arm) and a Seagull 12 String Accoustic sitting in cases in a cupboard doing nothing .
I've been in a couple of local bands, but nothing recently. I'd probably count my main influences as Pete Townsend, Jimmy Page and John Squire. Peter Green maybe, but that's mainly because he's my dads favourite.
There's a 2 1/2 minute accoustic ditty at the end of the song Overture on Tommy by The Who. That is (was) probably my favourite song I used to play. It's not complicated, but I liked it.
I've been playing about 40 years now (whoa! I'm friggin' OLD dude!)
I'm pretty much self-taught. Started with acoustic in early 70's, got a cheap electric, got a big amp, cops came knockin'...lots of Zep, Aerosmith, Rush...
Then I got folksy, then a bit jazzy and then my blues period. All fun.
My advice in general, not knowing you...
Get a steel-string acoustic. Seagull makes affordable surprisingly playable acoustics. Chinese manufacturers are making some pretty darn good guitars for $150-250. Lot better options out there for inexpensive guitars then there were in the 70's -80's. String with light or medium strings. Sometimes cheaper guitars cannot take the higher string tension of mediums and it might be wiser to go with lights or light-medium bronze wound strings. Your fingers will get sore...both the muscles and the actual finger pads. You gotta get thru it. Like any sport, your going to be frustrated and hurt at first.
If you're up for it, take a few lessons. The instructor should be able to get you reading music a bit, explain a few basics about music theory and help you out in the direction of music you like, whether it be metal, classic rock, jazz or folk. then go off on your own and play, check out YouTube videos (although there are a lot of yahoos on there), and play with other people. Play with people better than you, I should add.
Then move on to electric if you want. Don't try electric right off the bat. There's too much to get distracted with. You don't want to be screwing around with expensive pedals and amps that make you sound like crap when you should be focusing on just learning to play. You need to be able to make clean accurate notes and chords before you muck it all up with distortion and delay. Later, when you have some skills, add a pedal or two as the need arises.
If you eventually get an electric, the "Squire" line Fenders (their economy line) are still surprisingly playable [decent action (height of strings above fretboard), good intonation (stays in tune at the nut and at the top of the neck), halfway decent electrics (pickups, pots and switches)]. Decent Strat or Telecaster Squire for $100-200. Sometimes you can find guitars that guys have "upgraded" stuff on. if it has been done right, so much the better. Epiphone makes good, playable budget" guitars that hold their value reasonably well.
I really recommend having an experienced friend help you evaluate a purchase- especially a used instrument; in the beginning it's impossible to know if someone screwed up their pickups or switching or bridge because they thought they were doing a cool modification. Find a good music store with local guys and have them do an evaluation is another way to go. (not Daddy's or any big chain) Look for the local guys who carry lots of used gear too.
Any new or used guitar is going to need to be "set up" by a pro. They will adjust it, make sure all components are sound and functioning properly, treat the fretboard with appropriate solution/oil, polish it, restring it with appropriate strings, maybe dress the frets, etc. Plan on spending $40-50 anyway to get your guitar set up. It's worth it.
So to wrap up, get a new or used acoustic then graduate to electric if you dig that. Buying used gear (if you are careful) let's you buy after someone else has taken the "hit" for selling their new gear. then the value of the used gear stays pretty stable if you're talking about good brands. For example, some guys buys a new $1000 Stratocaster. then he sells it two years later, in very good shape, for $600. If you buy this, you "save" $400, AND, when YOU re-sell it (and you will), you can sell it for $600, or even more! You won't lose money on a good name brand guitar. You can even make money if you shop and sell right. Avoid ebay unless you REALLY know exactly what you want and how much that exact model/year should be selling for- and exactly what the particulars are. You'll pay a bit more going thru a local music shop but there will be someone there to help you when you have a problem.
If you ever buy an amp, keep in mind you will want an amp that is a WHOLE LOT less powerful than you or your friends think you need. A good 15 watt amp can have the cops knockin' on the door, sounds great when turned up for blues, rock or metal, costs less than a big amp and is way easier to carry around than a big amp. Hendrix was cool with a Marshall stack at Woodstock. You will not be. Your landlord will call the police and you won't be able to carry it to practice- and your bandmates will hate you for playing so loudly.
Practice and have fun. When you feel stuck, call up and get yourself 2-3 lessons from a pro as a "boost". It helps!
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Taught myself to play when I was a senior in high school, and I'm 52 years old now.... so it's been so long ago I really can't remember how difficult it was to learn. I do know I practiced a lot in the early years, not so much these days.
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tommy_ed is exactly right. You won't be able to get thru the "really sore fingertip period" unless you really want to play. I've been playing guitar for about 40 yr.
My sister & I put in $10 ea. and bought a guitar from a pawn shop. I still can't believe I learned to play on it - the strings must have been 1/2" off the fret board.
This was in '64 & I got books of Beatles songs and just learned to play. One sister was taking piano lessons then and her teacher wrote out lots of popular songs including the guitar chords so I learned to play lots of them too. I had a couple of friends learning at the same time so we could get together & learn from each other. Played rock & roll for a few years - learned a lot from our lead guy.
Bottom line is - just get a guitar & start playing - don't worry about the model at this point. You can get a better one if you find that you really like playing. Also when starting, electric or acoustic doesn't really matter - a guitar is a guitar from a new learner POV. In 6 mo. you might have learned enough to know which style you really like to play.
One caution - learn to play the whole song, not just a riff here & there. I've met many good pickers that just don't know any songs all the way thru. You can't get girls to sit down with you if all you know is the beginning of "Stairway To Heaven". Learn some funny songs to get them laughing and then start slipping in the love songs.
I also started playing in '64 and worked live almost continuously until 2006. I've pretty much retreated into a fairly nice studio in my home. Like you, I started with a $12.95 acoustic with action 1/2" off the fretboard. I played till I bled and then played some more. Most of the rest of this response is directed at the original poster. Acoustic/electric is a hard but important choice. It depends a lot on what you like the sound of, and what kind of music you want to play.
A halfway decent electric with light (.009) gauge strings is going to be easier on the fingers although nothing will stop them from hurting for months if you practice enough. I've always recommended the Fender Squier series to most beginners. They're available in both Stratocaster and Telecaster models. I have one myself but use it primarily for MIDI guitar. I didn't want to put screw holes in a $1500 American made Strat. The neck is comfortable enough for me to play well on. The guitar is also built to be upgradeable as your tastes and needs change.
How hard it is to teach yourself depends entirely on how badly you want to learn. There is a plethora of material available these days that simply wasn't in '64. I always asked students who want me to teach them a single question; "why do you want to learn to play guitar?" Technically there is no "correct" answer and the answers rarely influence my decision to teach. Only one student ever gave me the answer I want to hear which is; "because I love the sound of the guitar." Without that, you will never make it through the years of plinking strings, getting to the point that you are proficient. If you can't sit there and plink an open string and be happy with that sound, you probably won't make it far.
That will help you with learning electric later on, also steel is more diverse when it comes to music.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. Learning one is about the same as learning the other. They play the same. It's not like moving from one to the other requires learning a new instrument, perhaps some different technique. As far as diversity goes, electrics with all the processing possibilities, win hands down. Put a piezo pickup on an electric and most people won't know it's not an acoustic. It's almost impossible to go the other way and make an acoustic wail like an electric.
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Wow, my first songs suck in comparison to all of yours. Mine were Jingle Bells and Yankee Doodle. Of course I was 6 and I was being taught to read music. I think my first song for learning chords was a Beatles tune since my teacher at that time was a huge fan. When I turned 13, he bought me The Beatles Complete Scores and I spent the following months learning every song in that book. Hell, I even played along to Revolution 9 as best I could. To this day it's one of the strangest scores I've ever seen.
If you wanna get the most out of a guitar, it better be really shitty.
I'll explain. A guitar that is shitty is going to be more challenging to play. So when you start getting good, and you get a decent guitar, you'll be even better!
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That one would be cool as hell! Never learned that, wish I had tab for that.
Am-C-D-F
Am-C-D-E
That's pretty much the whole song.
Dylan's version is still in the Am key that The Animals later recorded their version in.
Funny story about this song. After The Animals made the song a big hit in 1964, Dylan was complimented on his cover of the song during his live shows. Of course his version was released in 1962 on his debut album. After a while he just quit performing it.
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^That made me laugh
EVERYONE thinks The Animals did the original. In truth, I don't even think Dylan did the original either, I seem to recall my dad has a Pete Seeger version from the 40's.
If you want to learn guitar, buy a classic acoustic guitar (nylon strings) the fret and neck is wider than folk and electric guitars. It helps you a lot in fingering.
I was no professional, but yes, I have had my fair share of guitars. I'll let you in on a little secret, it has to feel right in your hands.
I had a collectors guiter, the floyd rose edition by kramer. It sounded good and all but it just didn't feel right.
The best guitar I ever owned that sounded great and felt fantastic was a kramer focus. I found it in the trash all beat up re painted with latex house paint and half the hardware missing. I rebuilt it from the ground up!
New schaller tuning pegs, new floyd rose locking tremelo and some Seymour duncan screamin demon pick ups.
Don't assume a more expensive guitar is the best, first, make sure it feels right. There's nothing worse than playing a guitar that doesn't feel right in the hands. I Make sure you get good hardware, depending on your needs.
For learning a quality cheap will go a long way. My first electric was an Ibanez stagestar and my first acoustic was a no name junior size steel string. I'd say look for a starter acoustic because it is a more versatile instrument. Electric is fun but can get more pricey because you'll want pedals, bigger amp, etc. More expensive guitars do tend to be better quality but won't make you a better guitar player, so starting with an inexpensive good quality guitar is best.
Oh I play haha been playing for about 14 years now, have a few guitars in my collection, my favorite is my Gibson SG .. then my next one is actually a cheap first act guitar from walmart, idk what about it haha.. Then would be my first guitar which was my dads first as well, which is a 1960s catalog guitar..
I just purchased a Marshall 1987xl 50 watt head, and it sounds amazing, but playing inside you have to limit the level to 1 haha, compared to my Kustom 100 watt half stack which you can crank to 6 inside
Hey guys, I'm about ready to move up a notch from my squire strat to something a little better, I really like the look and sound of the Les Pauls but unfortunately with two damn kids taking up the majority of my money I'm gonna have to get a lesser model.
I'm stuck between a vintage V100
or a Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Anybody have any experience with either of these, I really like the vintage but epiphone is the same make as Gibson.. does the V100 stack up?
Personally I'd go with Epiphone, because it really is Gibson but with different name. I have played a few of the Standards from Epiphone and some by Gibson. I really couldn't tell the difference in the feel of the guitar.
Though I have never heard of vintage until now. If were to get the vintage, I would most likely invest in a set of Gibson pickups and get away from what looks like the single coil one it has. You'll get that great Gibson sound for much less. It would add to the look and sound of the guitar.
The pickups on the vintage are quite highly rated, been looking through the videos on youtube of the guitar and it does sound good but it doesn't have that gibson sound... the guitars are the same price so probably better to go for the special. Ordered myself a new amp first to go with it
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