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Old April 18th, 2011, 03:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been pondering on the HTC Sensation since its announcement but the more I read, the more doubts I'm having.

Since, by their very nature, phones are not "future proof" and are constantly evolving it seems to make sense to me to get the handset that has most under the hood so to speak. That way I figure that it will be up for Android firmware updates for awhile (unlike the SE X10) and also Cyanogen Mod's.

I have been comparing the HTC Sensation side-by-side with the Samsung Galaxy S 2 here:-

HTC Sensation vs. Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II - GSMArena.com

and notice that the Galaxy seems to have the edge on the Sensation in several areas...

Weight: Galaxy 116g Sensation 148g

Display: Galaxy Super AMOLED Sensation S-LCD

RAM: Galaxy 1Gb Sensation 768Mb

Phone Storage: Galaxy 16/32Gb Sensation 1Gb

HSDPA: Galaxy 21 Mbps Sensation 14.4 Mbps

Secondary camera: Galaxy 2MP Sensation VGA

CPU: Galaxy Mali-400MP GPU Sensation Adreno 220 GPU

Battery: Galaxy 1650 mAh Sensation 1520 mAh

In fairness, the Sensation does seem to have a better (more solid) build quality and more screen pixels as well as the Sense3 UI eye candy.

My question is, owning the HTC Nexus One, modded with CM7, which I am over the moon about and having experienced Samsung phones on symbian, some years ago (not in a good way), I wondered if any of the above differentials in spec's would, or should, sway anyone to either handset and why?

Alternatively, is there something now, or in the near future, that eclipses both of these. For instance... a new Nexus?

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I think I may have discovered the answer, in part, to my question in these threads:-

Samsung Galaxy S 2 vs HTC Sensation: Battle of the dual core beasts. - xda-developers

[Q] HTC sensation or Galaxy s 2?? - xda-developers

I think I'm more confused than ever.
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It is a tough choice. I would have to see both of them in person, specially the screen on the HTC Sensation. But knowing the build quality of both companies I would go with HTC right now. There products should be the standard of build quality. What also might come into play is that Samsung said they are releasing their phones with the bootloader unlocked and it seems like you like to run custom roms.

Someone, somewhere on the internet said the N3 will be released around xmas time by LG, but I think it's way to early to tell.
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An unlocked bootloader would be a biggy for me MostlyHarmless. I'm addicted to the CM Nightly's.
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Not sure I like the shape of the Samsung. One of the things I like about the nexus is no-one mistakes it for an i thingy
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I use a black, silicon, case... so unfortunately, they sometimes do!
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I also really don't mind Sense 3.0. From the demo HTC did when they annouced the HTC Sensation it looked pretty good (although I still would like the option to run stock android). I don't know how bad you want a new phone (I am just getting over the new phone bug, couple of people on this forum talked me out of getting a NS and waiting a bit) but I would be curious to see what happens with Ice Cream. I am going to go ahead and place a bet that a new Nexus phone will be released when Ice Cream comes out. If it's the major UI overhaul that GB was suppose to be I think the hardware for the Nexus line will need to be stepped up.
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To be honest, Mostly Harmless, I love my Nexus One.

So much so that I put my 20 week old Nokia N8 on eBay last week and only got £188 nett for it (after fees etc.).

I am given to understand that the full Sense3 will not be available to a lot of the HTC devices, including the Desire HD, running below 1.5 GHz single core processors:-

Sorry older devices, HTC's Sense 3.0 is picky - AfterDawn

Also, Samsung has now released Gingerbread for the Galaxy S whilst HTC owners of Desire HD are still waiting.

Another rumour flying around is that the next Nexus will be released just prior to Christmas and be manufactured by, and based on, the dual core LG Optimus!!!

LG Nexus 3D?: Who will make Google’s next Nexus handset? | Technology Blogged
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What about the LG G2X? Dual Cores, Stock 2.2....
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What about the LG G2X? Dual Cores, Stock 2.2....
Just ordered one of them (well, the O2X)

It's not 'stock' 2.2 exactly, but it sure looks like it. Unlocked bootloader and has Team Douche's support. Win.
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Just ordered one of them (well, the O2X)

It's not 'stock' 2.2 exactly, but it sure looks like it. Unlocked bootloader and has Team Douche's support. Win.
Wow, rusty you are finally giving up the N1.
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Yeah, the crappy digitizer caused me to rage once too often. I actually bought an NS last week, and used it for a few days before getting my cash back and plumping for this.

The N1 is on eBay and doing quite well. Think it being a monumentally rare S-OFF model is helping with that.
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I have seen two different specs saying this may or maynot work on at&TS 3g bands?
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They're trying to officially figure it out at the moment. It has the hardware for them, but they may not be enable is a possibility.
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They're trying to officially figure it out at the moment. It has the hardware for them, but they may not be enable is a possibility.

I would love to know what you think about the phone, if you remember try to keep me posted.
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I shall report back, although mine will be marginally different to the G2X software wise, I plan on slapping the MCR vanilla ROM on 'til CM is out there
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I think I'm more confused than ever.
haha, the indecision of phone shopping. I think if we could, we'd just buy 'em all What's the return policy like for you? If you can try one and then try the other for a couple of days to get an idea, that'd be my suggestion!

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Mine was mistaken for an iPhone...and I didn't have a case :/

I think I read somewhere that the Sensation will be the most locked down of the HTC phones. So that should also play into your assessment.
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I think I read somewhere that the Sensation will be the most locked down of the HTC phones. So that should also play into your assessment.
You may have just swayed me Roze.
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I would love to know what you think about the phone, if you remember try to keep me posted.
Well I have it, it's been rooted, Clockworked and mostly de-LG'd.

Brilliant bit of kit! It is blazingly fast. You wouldn't think just zipping about the phone could be much quicker, but it is

Build quality is very good, feels solid, a little weighty, nothing creaks or rattles. The metal strip down the back is going to be a bit Marmite, but it works for me, kinda reminds me of the N1 in a way.

It has 1.5GB(ish) free on /data for apps which is just epic, frankly. Not likely to get the dreaded notification again for a long time.

The screen being LCD (an IPS one, a lŠ iPhone4) doesn't quite have the contrast of the N1's AMOLED, but other than that, it's good. Not being Pentile profiles a sharper image which I think is worth the trade-off.

Down side is I am back on Froyo for now... come on CM!
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I think I am going to make a trip to the store to check it out. I have been wanting ti get away from At&t for a while. Do you think the 512mb of ram is going to affect the phone in the future?
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You may have just swayed me Roze.
Seems like the way the bootloader is locked might not be as bad as how Moto does it. Good thread to read...can't find anything definant through Google...I guess you'll need to prune through XDA
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Alright, going tomorrow to go see it, I haven't switched carriers in 6 years, but it may be coming up.
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Phone looks and feels pretty good, I am tempted to get it but the whole att and tmobile merger has me pretty nervous, I don't know if I should jump ship and give up my unlimited plan.looks like I am stuck on the n1 or ns until I see what happens with the merger
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I'm going for the Galaxy S2 if it has a open bootloader. I'd rather see Samsung truly release open source drivers of the phone, then it would be perfect.

Sensation is a piece of crap phone if you ask me. I hate the aluminum body .. one bad drop and it's all bent up, 1 GB of storage???, qHD display is probably crap compared with SuperAMOLED+, I don't even wanna talk about the battery and encrypted/signed bootloader on the sensation, etc etc....
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I'm going for the Galaxy S2 if it has a open bootloader. I'd rather see Samsung truly release open source drivers of the phone, then it would be perfect.

Sensation is a piece of crap phone if you ask me. I hate the aluminum body .. one bad drop and it's all bent up, 1 GB of storage???, qHD display is probably crap compared with SuperAMOLED+, I don't even wanna talk about the battery and encrypted/signed bootloader on the sensation, etc etc....

The Nexus One has an aluminum body and I never had any issue with it. I will agree that I do like the SAMOLED.
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The Nexus One has an aluminum body and I never had any issue with it. I will agree that I do like the SAMOLED.
If Nexus One falls on the edge it opens up like a flower, and you have to send the phone to replace it because it can't be fixed any other way. it's the same with HTC Desire, and probably more HTC Al phones.
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If Nexus One falls on the edge it opens up like a flower, and you have to send the phone to replace it because it can't be fixed any other way. it's the same with HTC Desire, and probably more HTC Al phones.
Fell from chest height, in it's neoprene pouch, which annoyingly leaves one side unprotected:



Pretty robust really.
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Fell from chest height, in it's neoprene pouch, which annoyingly leaves one side unprotected:

Pretty robust really.
The neoprene pouch probably helps more than we think. I was at a friends yesterday. He has a HTC desire.. and he dropped it once. It's opened like a flower on the edge ... so much you can see the insides of the phone.

I'd rather go with breakable plastic next phone, this bending and stuff isn't for me.
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It's aluminum, a relatively soft and light metal. Any concentrated force is going to cause deformation obviously. But I can't see how in anyone's mind a shattered, or completely mangled or broken phone (plastic) is better than a small dent (aluminum body)?

Not only that, but the aluminum is usually part of the frame, in a uni-body type design, which essentially means that while there might be physical deformation, other than the screen, the phone will most likely continue working.

So I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
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It's aluminum, a relatively soft and light metal. Any concentrated force is going to cause deformation obviously. But I can't see how in anyone's mind a shattered, or completely mangled or broken phone (plastic) is better than a small dent (aluminum body)?

Not only that, but the aluminum is usually part of the frame, in a uni-body type design, which essentially means that while there might be physical deformation, other than the screen, the phone will most likely continue working.

So I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.
1. Plastic absorbs shocks better than aluminium, plus the plastic used isn't just ordinary plastic, it's designed to be durable. Samsung has excellent plastic.
2. if a plastic phone has a interior magnesium reinforcement like new Samsung phones, it won't break
3. Aluminium body does not absorb the shocks, it just transfers it on the components next to it, screen, interior of the phone etc.

The thing is that if you want to fix a Aluminium frame phone it costs into hundreds of $$, for a plastic phone it's much much cheaper.
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I have been pondering on the HTC Sensation since its announcement but the more I read, the more doubts I'm having.

Since, by their very nature, phones are not "future proof" and are constantly evolving it seems to make sense to me to get the handset that has most under the hood so to speak. That way I figure that it will be up for Android firmware updates for awhile (unlike the SE X10) and also Cyanogen Mod's.

I have been comparing the HTC Sensation side-by-side with the Samsung Galaxy S 2 here:-

HTC Sensation vs. Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II - GSMArena.com

and notice that the Galaxy seems to have the edge on the Sensation in several areas...

Weight: Galaxy 116g Sensation 148g

Display: Galaxy Super AMOLED Sensation S-LCD

RAM: Galaxy 1Gb Sensation 768Mb

Phone Storage: Galaxy 16/32Gb Sensation 1Gb

HSDPA: Galaxy 21 Mbps Sensation 14.4 Mbps

Secondary camera: Galaxy 2MP Sensation VGA

CPU: Galaxy Mali-400MP GPU Sensation Adreno 220 GPU

Battery: Galaxy 1650 mAh Sensation 1520 mAh

In fairness, the Sensation does seem to have a better (more solid) build quality and more screen pixels as well as the Sense3 UI eye candy.

My question is, owning the HTC Nexus One, modded with CM7, which I am over the moon about and having experienced Samsung phones on symbian, some years ago (not in a good way), I wondered if any of the above differentials in spec's would, or should, sway anyone to either handset and why?

Alternatively, is there something now, or in the near future, that eclipses both of these. For instance... a new Nexus?
The S2 has everything better than Sensation.. EVEN the screen is better with a bit less resolution than Sensation SLCD screen. You can't compare the two displays because SAMOLED+ is just soo much better.

Sensation is just a last year phone with newer software nothing else.

All new HTC phones have encrypted bootloader, counting custom ROMs out, atleast until somebody hacks it, if they are able to do it.

HTC build quality vs Galaxy S2 quality is negligible. If you still think Aluminium is better than plastic, I personally think it's not for more than one reason. HTC build quality isn't that great either, thinking of all those dust victims etc.
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Look at the SoC of the Sensation and tell me what it was used in last year please.
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Look at the SoC of the Sensation and tell me what it was used in last year please.
And that's all the difference besides the screen...

For the price it will sell for it's not enough.
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Wait...you're calling an A9 Cortex 1.2 Ghz dual core Snapdragon processor last year technology
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Wait...you're calling an A9 Cortex 1.2 Ghz dual core Snapdragon processor last year technology
If you think about it, it was designed last year and produced this year

NO I'm not calling it last years tech, I'm saying the phone has nothing really new to offer, only the SoC changed and the screen, other things are the same as phones from last year let's say Desire HD.
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Sorry intoxicated atm but what the bloody hell is SoC?
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Sorry intoxicated atm but what the bloody hell is SoC?

Was beginning to think I was the only one
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Intoxicated or don't know what SoC is?
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Intoxicated or don't know what SoC is?
lol, Ambiguity rules .... or does it?

I confess to not knowing what SoC means, and tho', atm, I'm not playing for Bacchus' team, it's not an unknown occurrence.
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SoC = System on Chip

and it represents all the good stuff in the main chip aka... Snapdragon, Orion, Tegra, etc

You don't "exactly" have a CPU inside your phone, you have a System on Chip inside it. That means the main SoC has CPU+GPU+loads of other things in one chip. It's like having a entire standard motherboard in one chip. inputs and outputs etc.

Get it?
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Oui! Lol
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Drinking and browsing the forums, nice.
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Something wrong with that?
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Not in my book, I do it all the time.

Occasionally I've woken up wondered about performing damage control
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Wait...you're calling an A9 Cortex 1.2 Ghz dual core Snapdragon processor last year technology
The snapdragon is based on a modified Cortex-A8 micro-architecture and not the A9.

The A9 is more efficient clock-for-clock as compared to the snapdragon IMHO.
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