So, after starting this thread and getting pretty annoyed at my battery life, I called HTC. The guy wasn't that helpful. I jumped through all the hoops, just to show that I hadn't got anything running that was going to kill the battery. I understand that he had to check a lot of things. When I got nowhere, he told me to run down my battery to zero, wait until the phone switched itself off, then charge it again. I hadn't done this since after its first charge. I agreed to do that, but got a case number, because I was sure I'd be calling back to try to get a better battery.
So, I turned on GPS navigation and Pandora and killed the battery over the course of around an hour (from 22%). I took the battery out, left it sitting out for maybe 20 mins, and recharged it overnight. I was shocked to see that it actually helped a lot - now I'm able to use my phone throughout the day (8-5) and have around 50% battery at the end of it. Nothing like the first day, when I tried to show it to some friends at 2.30PM, just to have the battery die in mid Google Goggles demonstration.
How much do you use it though? I sms and gtalk all day with a couple phone calls and I get about the same. I don't hit 30% or 40% until 9 or so with mobile network on all day, gps off, wifi off. I'm just curious because I've never had a phone with battery life that is so bad. My friend, who owns an iPhone, said he gets about the same as I do. I am probably looking too much into it since I came from a BB.
I'm able to get a full day's use moderate use. Since moderate use can mean different things to different people, here's what I do:
Taking a few phone calls (20 - 30 minutes/day), using the web (about 30 - 60 minutes/day), auto syncing Google services, polling for other email once every 15 minutes, polling for Tweets, polling for Facebook updates. Bluetooth and Wifi on, GPS off.
At the end of the day, I usually have 20 - 30% battery life left.
I did condition the battery for the first 2 days (let the battery completely discharge then charge completely) but I'm not sure if that helped.
The battery life is on par with the Moto Droid and IPhone 3GS so I'm happy with it, but it's not shockingly better than the average smart phone....sorry, SuperPhone
Screen: first level of backlight on power widget.
Wi-Fi: on all day
Mobile network: on all day
Sync: all Facebook, Twitter, Gmail on all day
Have been texting, couple of calls, internet and playing games.
Just dropped to below 30% at 9.30 pm.
that power widget is handy... for me, it's turning out to be better than using auto-brightness... the first level from no backlight is about 25% (you can go check in the brightness settings...)... off is well, 0%... and full is 100%... so the 25% level is still bright to be useful in lit rooms, but not sucking down juice as much...
WiFi - interesting... although i guess if a solid wifi signal is present, the cell data doesn't have to constantly be searching and/or swithching between edge and 3G if the signal is a bit weak...
with your usage, doesn't all that stingy, and about how i use mine... i'm wondering if various batches have shittier batteries... or if there is just one small variable that either makes or breaks battery life that it's obvious yet at this point...
So, after starting this thread and getting pretty annoyed at my battery life, I called HTC. The guy wasn't that helpful. I jumped through all the hoops, just to show that I hadn't got anything running that was going to kill the battery. I understand that he had to check a lot of things. When I got nowhere, he told me to run down my battery to zero, wait until the phone switched itself off, then charge it again. I hadn't done this since after its first charge. I agreed to do that, but got a case number, because I was sure I'd be calling back to try to get a better battery.
So, I turned on GPS navigation and Pandora and killed the battery over the course of around an hour (from 22%). I took the battery out, left it sitting out for maybe 20 mins, and recharged it overnight. I was shocked to see that it actually helped a lot - now I'm able to use my phone throughout the day (8-5) and have around 50% battery at the end of it. Nothing like the first day, when I tried to show it to some friends at 2.30PM, just to have the battery die in mid Google Goggles demonstration.
hmmmm..... i may have to try this myself...
when you first got it, did you start using it right away out of the box? or perhaps just charge it for a few min then use it?
when i got mine, i didn't give it a full charge right away... i just started using it because, well, I was stoked to finally get it!
anyways... i'll try running it down to dead later today and then give it a full overnight charge with the wall charger...
WiFi - interesting... although i guess if a solid wifi signal is present, the cell data doesn't have to constantly be searching and/or swithching between edge and 3G if the signal is a bit weak...
That depends whether you Wi-Fi switches off when the screen is off. On Android 1.5 it did so by default, dunno about 2.0+
Just to add my own two cents, I think the 'drain and recharge once' trick does work. Yes, I read the literature on how it shouldn't matter for that type of battery. I don't know how or why, but it helped me!
Yesterday: Phone unplugged at 100% at 6am - WiFi/GPS/Sync on Gmail and Exchange/Music played/Browsing/General playing around with my baby - Battery 50% at 1pm and dead by 4pm.
I let the battery expire, got home, put the phone to charge and left it alone (very hard to do!).
Today: Unplugged it at 100% again at 6am today, same use if not a little more, and my battery is only just getting below 50% at 5pm.
I don't know how significant it is, but I also noticed that Dolphin browser keeps running in the background forever after you use it.
OK - drained the Nexus last night until it shut off by itself. Charged it from about 10p to 7a. I left it completely turned off during the whole charging duration. Unplugged at 7a... Will use like I normally do. WiFi will be on while at my office. Brightness set to 25% (second "position" on power widget).
Will be using a mix of email, web, pandora, sms, voice. Yesterday I was at ~50% by 1pm, and about 15% by 5p. I'm HOPING for much better results today after having done the whole drain down and full charge cycle.
My experience: unplugged yesterday at 7 AM (at 100%, charged thru the night)
Normal use, which includes two email accounts (GMail and Google Apps), maybe a dozen texts, snapped a few pics, a little over an hour on the phone, some browsing and other apps.
Around 10:30 PM I was at 11%, at which point I plugged it in again. So I am making it through a day, but definitely need to charge daily. Slightly worse than the Droid, much worse than my old iPhone (where I could go two or sometimes even three days without a charge).
well.... battery life continues to suck badly... at almost 12:45p I'm down to 41%. Unplugged since about 7a (under Battery Use, have 5h 47m usage). Screen is responsible for 60% - according to that panel. Screen has not been constantly in use. I'm at about 25% brightness. Had a couple of 10-15min phone calls. Listened to Pandora for maybe 30-45 min max. A bit of emailing and web access. That's about it. WiFi has been on maybe 50% of the time. My cell signal is somewhat weak where I sit in my building, although still 1-3 bars - it varies.
At this point, I'm at a loss.... A FAR cry from what other users have posted above, with nothing standing out as far as usage to me. So ???
Either my battery is defective.... or when at the office, and having a weak signal, the phone is searching for a signal more often than not and causing rundown... could that be the culprit???
Last edited by mi_canuck; January 15th, 2010 at 12:53 PM.
well.... battery life continues to suck badly... at almost 12:45p I'm down to 41%. Unplugged since about 7a (under Battery Use, have 5h 47m usage). Screen is responsible for 60% - according to that panel. Screen has not been constantly in use. I'm at about 25% brightness. Had a couple of 10-15min phone calls. Listened to Pandora for maybe 30-45 min max. A bit of emailing and web access. That's about it. WiFi has been on maybe 50% of the time. My cell signal is somewhat weak where I sit in my building, although still 1-3 bars - it varies.
At this point, I'm at a loss.... A FAR cry from what other users have posted above, with nothing standing out as far as usage to me. So ???
streaming anything will eat battery. I have bluetooth and wifi on all day and dont stream at all (but still take calls, email, gtalk, sms) and im only at 40-45% come 10PM after unplugging at 615AM
check your screen brightness, make sure your FB, twitter, news apps arent syncing every hour and gps is off...
my brightness is at 25% (the second "click" on the brightness power widget... i've double and triple checked the setting... i mean... do i need to drop down to 10% brightness??
what are your settings?
i have my FB syncing every 30min.... Twidroid not syncing at all (notifications are OFF)... the bundle weather/news app every 1hr...
i also have weather channel which doesn't appear to have a sync interval... weather bug is set at 1 hr intervals...
Under the Acounts & Sync panel in the phone settings, Background data and Auto-sync are both on (I think these were set as default... I don't remember changing these....)
Otherwise, no IM running, or anything else. I have no updating widgets on my home screen.
my brightness is at 25% (the second "click" on the brightness power widget... i've double and triple checked the setting... i mean... do i need to drop down to 10% brightness??
what are your settings?
i have my FB syncing every 30min.... Twidroid not syncing at all (notifications are OFF)... the bundle weather/news app every 1hr...
i also have weather channel which doesn't appear to have a sync interval... weather bug is set at 1 hr intervals...
Under the Acounts & Sync panel in the phone settings, Background data and Auto-sync are both on (I think these were set as default... I don't remember changing these....)
Otherwise, no IM running, or anything else. I have no updating widgets on my home screen.
my brightness is at the first click above 0 in the settings (only thing i dont use the power control widget for)
gps off
wifi on
bluetooth on/off as needed
twdroid sync off - no notifications
fb - no sync - manually refresh when i log in
background data and auto sync on
gtalk logged in and running
news/weather widget sync each hour
only thing i can see you have is weather channel and weather bug. those are known battery eaters too
only thing i can see you have is weather channel and weather bug. those are known battery eaters too
I don't even have an IM running, but you do.....
I like weather bug due to the temp up in the status bar... i haven't found another app that does that...
so maybe i need to remove weather channel altogether (as it doesn't even have an interval option to even set...) although it has the better radar map....
the % reported in the status and the battery gauge in the status also aren't synced very well... dunno that's a normal Android quirk (this is my first Android device... so i don't know all the tricks yet...)... Battery in status bar shows about half... yet in the status panel, it's at 31%.... arrrghh
I like weather bug due to the temp up in the status bar... i haven't found another app that does that...
so maybe i need to remove weather channel altogether (as it doesn't even have an interval option to even set...) although it has the better radar map....
i just hit the web for my radar... m.accuweather.com and m.weatherchannel.com both have radar maps...
the temp in the status bar is nice, but its updating every so often...
deleted weather bug and weather channel... will see what happens... they weren't optimised for the higher resolution anyways... i'll use the built in one for now...
deleted weather bug and weather channel... will see what happens... they weren't optimised for the higher resolution anyways... i'll use the built in one for now...
i suggest to anyone trying out "automatic task killer" from the android store, its free and you can set it to kill any apps once the screen blacks out, you choose the apps to kill or kill them all. i just installed it and it has seemed to make a difference already over the last 3 hours.
is there a way to see which apps are running in the background on an Android device? is there a process panel? i haven't found one... thought maybe a specific key sequence on the dialpad (like how you enter field test mode on an iphone... for example)...
I have a quick question... under About Phone -> Battery Use, what is Cell Standby? It says battery used by cell radio 63%, but I have been in aeroplane mode near enough the entire time the phone has been off as my new sim card with data allowance has yet to arrive.
is there a way to see which apps are running in the background on an Android device? is there a process panel? i haven't found one... thought maybe a specific key sequence on the dialpad (like how you enter field test mode on an iphone... for example)...
I downloaded Advanced Task Killer (Free) from the marketplace. Seems to do the job. The icon is the little android robot with a blue cross on his chest (to help you find it more easily)
ok... just D/L'd this... had a TON of apps running... is this normal??? How would one otherwise see and/or know which apps are running, and subsequently kill them?? seems like there should be a native way to do this, no?
So, after starting this thread and getting pretty annoyed at my battery life, I called HTC. The guy wasn't that helpful. I jumped through all the hoops, just to show that I hadn't got anything running that was going to kill the battery. I understand that he had to check a lot of things. When I got nowhere, he told me to run down my battery to zero, wait until the phone switched itself off, then charge it again. I hadn't done this since after its first charge. I agreed to do that, but got a case number, because I was sure I'd be calling back to try to get a better battery.
So, I turned on GPS navigation and Pandora and killed the battery over the course of around an hour (from 22%). I took the battery out, left it sitting out for maybe 20 mins, and recharged it overnight. I was shocked to see that it actually helped a lot - now I'm able to use my phone throughout the day (8-5) and have around 50% battery at the end of it. Nothing like the first day, when I tried to show it to some friends at 2.30PM, just to have the battery die in mid Google Goggles demonstration.
Do you normally leave GPS off ?
I'm starting to wonder if GPS on is the culprit...
Drained the battery all the way last night and charged it fully overnight - about 12hrs. Status gave "battery full", % was 100, all signs showing it was completely charged.
I'm going to try something today... since I'm in the office today (where I get a weak indoor sign - the building is brick/concrete with steel structure) I've decided to put the phone on Airplane mode, but left WiFi on. Brightness at 25%. GPS *ON* (I don't want to add too many variables). The few apps that have notifications on, like the native news/weather app, FB and weather channel, are set to update no sooner than 1hr or 2hr (if available). I'm going to use Pandora a bit as well, as that's what I'd normally do in a normal workday.
My gut feel is the radio while I'm inside my building, is getting a week signal, and constantly trying to locate a network and/or switch from 3G to E because the signal is so weak (this doesn't happen when I get near the exterior of the building, or outdoors - I don't have the blatant 3G problem others report).
So I'm going to try leaving the radio off completely (airplane mode), but leave WiFi on. If this proves successful in improving battery life, early signs are showing it actually might, I'll try leaving on 2G only while inside my building, and see what happens. Since there is no native 3G only, I can't really try that (as I'd rather have 3G only than 2G only as an option). Will then see how that fares. If positive, I'll go back to radio on (3G & 2G), and try with GPS OFF.
Will report back.
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Last edited by mi_canuck; January 16th, 2010 at 11:46 AM.
Hi everyone. I have my Nexus One since the day after launch and I'm having some sort of battery issue. The iPhone (my previous phone) has taught me alot about battery conservation, so I know to turn off GPS, Wifi, and even Google Sync when not in use. So...my issue...
I notice that after my battery hits 100% after a full charge and I start using it, the next percentage that it goes to is 98%, or even straight to 97% sometimes. The usage really is minimal. Besides turning off all the aforementioned antennas, I have calibrated the battery about 5 times thus far (charging to 100% and letting it run down till shutoff). I have had the unit replaced by HTC due to a faulty speaker and am getting the same issues on this second one, so it's either software or battery.
I installed Spare Parts app and followed the steps to see what app was sucking up most juice, nothing happening though. No crazy blue bars depicting anything out of the ordinary, and I even disabled the default Messaging app and installed Handcent (which is way better anyway). Because HTC has no accessories yet (read spare batteries), they have instructed me to send back this unit as DOA, get a refund, and order a brand new phone. Truthfully I'm getting tired of this online crap, sending back and forth. Waste of time.
Is anyone else experiencing what I have? Thanks much for your replies!
Allen
Last edited by allen099; January 17th, 2010 at 04:53 AM.
@allen099.... man, it's sounds like you and I both have similar battery struggles... otherwise, my Nexus is solid and I'm reluctant to send it back...
I was on a roll yesterday with my "experiment" (ie. turning on airplane mode, ie. turning off cell radio which in a weak signal area to avoid hunting and switching)... but seems like if I make any amount of phone calls, even if just 30min worth, battery life take a dive...
as it stands, i can only get about 12hrs of life at most.... I'm wondering those getting 1full day or more on a charge even make one phone call to get the battery to last that long...
i also noticed that using the music player uses more battery than using Pandora... at least that's how it seemed... is that possible??!! all I can think of is streaming is in a format that requires less processing than the .m4a files I've got on my SD card...
I've cycled yet again last night (full drain).... I'll try again today... leave GPS off entirely.... i might even just keep plugged in day and try to keep plugged in as much as possible over the next 24hrs... i have charger at home, in car and at work... so should be able to keep it plugged most of the time today...
HTC should consider opening up local repair centers in the larger cities, at least to avoid the shipping back and forth crap...
Last edited by mi_canuck; January 17th, 2010 at 10:28 AM.
@dennisburton - That's exactly what I did when I opened the box. The good thing about these batteries is the technology inside is the same, therefore following the same procedure with various phones is that much easier.
Hi mi_canuck. Regarding the music player, i thought it was just me! I didn't see anyone else post about it, so I convinced myself there was no problem...but you're noticing it too? Ok..I don't think this phone is working out for Google the way they initially thought. The one queue they need to take from Apple is seeing how easy it is to get support for the iPhone, because support is one of the main things I look at when buying a product. They must have the Nexus One in a store, be it HTC or T-Mobile branded, but I don't want to wait an entire week to send my phone back, for them to refund me, and then order another phone.
But anyway, I want to love this phone. This is my first Android device, and I LOVE it...the openness is unparalleled. For a geek, being able to do anything with a mobile device is so cool...but it looks like we're not getting $530-worth of hardware. Google's making a nice buck on this phone. It got the teardown treatment and was valued at $175 to be manufactured!
My experience with he droid and laptops is that you need to FULLY charge and kill a lithium battery a few times when you get it to get the full charge cycle out of the battery. My droid rarely runs out now.
i kno this might sound noobish but what do u mean by "kill a lithium battery"
@dennisburton - That's exactly what I did when I opened the box. The good thing about these batteries is the technology inside is the same, therefore following the same procedure with various phones is that much easier.
Hi mi_canuck. Regarding the music player, i thought it was just me! I didn't see anyone else post about it, so I convinced myself there was no problem...but you're noticing it too? Ok..I don't think this phone is working out for Google the way they initially thought. The one queue they need to take from Apple is seeing how easy it is to get support for the iPhone, because support is one of the main things I look at when buying a product. They must have the Nexus One in a store, be it HTC or T-Mobile branded, but I don't want to wait an entire week to send my phone back, for them to refund me, and then order another phone.
But anyway, I want to love this phone. This is my first Android device, and I LOVE it...the openness is unparalleled. For a geek, being able to do anything with a mobile device is so cool...but it looks like we're not getting $530-worth of hardware. Google's making a nice buck on this phone. It got the teardown treatment and was valued at $175 to be manufactured!
before i send mine back, i'll wait for a the first software update to see how that improves battery life... i'm not convinced it's a hardware thing... i'm thinking software, or just some freak usage pattern i'm doing that isn't obvious, but is killing the battery sooner... i mean, it's not great, but still about even with the 3GS i had after about 6months (battery life was getting worse on it even after 6mos vs when new).
i'll keep experimenting to figure out what I AM doing to get the battery to go down... it's either a radio thing when i'm inside my building at work... or a software bug (maybe the processor isn't throttling like it's supposed to, i dunno... maybe it is afterall a hardware issue, but i can't be without it at this point .... i still love it
anyone know if/when we can buy a replacement HTC battery? i emailed them to ask if they could just send me a replacement battery and i'd send them my original one back... We'll see what they respond with.... til then, i'll continue my battery sleuthing and trying to condition the battery...
you know... when i got it, it was a really cold period for here in MI, and the box and everything it in were quite cold from having sat in the FedEx truck... I'm wondering if the battery might have suffered some sort of cold induced damage while in transit ???
anyone know if/when we can buy a replacement HTC battery? i emailed them to ask if they could just send me a replacement battery and i'd send them my original one back... We'll see what they respond with.... til then, i'll continue my battery sleuthing and trying to condition the battery...
I hear ya...I love the phone too. But keep in mind there's only a 14-day return period. Otherwise you're stuck with it.
As far as the battery goes, the managers at HTC told me there aren't any batteries yet to do exchanges with. This is why they want me to send my ENTIRE phone back as DOA, leaving me with nothing to use :-/
The cold can definitely impact battery life, but it's only very short-term. Once it thaws out and warms up, and especially after a few calibration cycles, it gets back to normal.
"Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need priming as nickel-based batteries do. The 1st charge is no different to the 5th or the 50th charge. Stickers instructing to charge the battery for 8 hours or more for the first time may be a leftover from the nickel battery days. "
This is partially true. To further qutoe the same article "However, a full discharge/charge will reset the digital circuit of a 'smart' battery to improve the state-of-charge estimation".
A great deal depends on the quality of something called "CHARGE BALANCING" in series connected Li-Ion cells. This process is critical to maximizing the useful charge of a battery PACK consisting of multiple cells. Charge balancing methods vary, with systems widely available from a variety of IC vendors. These systems typically best optimize the pack by seeing full charge cycles, more readily identifying the individual cells that are out of balance from the rest.
So yes, a SINGLE Li-ion cell has no "memory" and requires no conditioning. However, a PACK of cells is a different matter.
Another note- leave the charger connected as long as possible on a full pack. Many battery balancing circuits have limited current carrying capacity for the actual BALANCING current for individual cells. This means it can take hours to fully balance the pack during charging and after full charge.
it looks like we're not getting $530-worth of hardware. Google's making a nice buck on this phone. It got the teardown treatment and was valued at $175 to be manufactured!
There's more to costs than just the parts of the phone. Researching and development costs for features, advertising, marketing, etc., etc.
I am also having battery issues. I cannot go a day without the phone dying. I wake up at 6 AM and the battery is on its way out at about 5 PM or so. I mostly use the web browser, GTalk, and chompSMS. I also have a Twitter widget syncing every 30 minutes. Screen is at 5% brightness. GPS is on. Facebook polled every hour.
It seems like this should all be alright. My iPhone 3GS had no problem lasting a day and I even used music on it. I had email fetched every 30 minutes and Twitter every 15 minutes. That worked just fine and I lasted to about 30% at maybe 11 PM.
I think the difference is that I'm using 3G on my N1 when I only used EDGE on my 3GS. I still don't believe that accounts for the huge difference.
I'm going to substantially reduce my network services, like Twitter (1 hour intervals) and see how it goes. Maybe I'll also stop GPS but that's a shame. I shouldn't have to compromise on something like that. Constant network polling, I can understand compromising. But not GPS.
I also did not fully charge my N1 before using it. But these batteries don't need that nor do they need to be calibrated. That's old school. I might as well give it a try, however. Won't hurt.
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There's more to costs than just the parts of the phone. Researching and development costs for features, advertising, marketing, etc., etc.
I am also having battery issues. I cannot go a day without the phone dying. I wake up at 6 AM and the battery is on its way out at about 5 PM or so. I mostly use the web browser, GTalk, and chompSMS. I also have a Twitter widget syncing every 30 minutes. Screen is at 5% brightness. GPS is on. Facebook polled every hour.
It seems like this should all be alright. My iPhone 3GS had no problem lasting a day and I even used music on it. I had email fetched every 30 minutes and Twitter every 15 minutes. That worked just fine and I lasted to about 30% at maybe 11 PM.
I think the difference is that I'm using 3G on my N1 when I only used EDGE on my 3GS. I still don't believe that accounts for the huge difference.
I'm going to substantially reduce my network services, like Twitter (1 hour intervals) and see how it goes. Maybe I'll also stop GPS but that's a shame. I shouldn't have to compromise on something like that. Constant network polling, I can understand compromising. But not GPS.
I also did not fully charge my N1 before using it. But these batteries don't need that nor do they need to be calibrated. That's old school. I might as well give it a try, however. Won't hurt.
I do understand the costs of R&D for a company, however you're forgetting who the company in this particular case is. Google went to HTC, gave them the specs that they want, saw some HTC prototypes, and that was it. HTC has been doing this for a lonnnnng time already. On the marketing front, it's Google. They put it up on their adsense, pay a little bit for some web banners and that's it. You're not seeing ads on TV or anywhere else. It's meant to be a phone that geeks initially adopt and then spread by word of mouth. For this company and for this phone, not much money was spent. Not even in distribution!
The batteries do need an additional calibration, and then once every 3 or 4 months. Based on your usage specs, it seems normal. If you leave a twitter client on, and especially Gtalk, they will use up a good chunk of battery, especially the former because it's always maintaining a connection via the network. GPS however is the #1 battery killer on smartphones. I'd encourage you to disable that and Wifi when not in use. On the Nexus, we have that power widget which makes those tasks pretty simple to do. Another thing that sucks up battery is the syncing that Google has with its accounts (Google Sync aka push email/contacts/calendar). If you find that you don't change your contacts or calendar too often, perhaps disable those from syncing all the time and just enable when needed. It's in Settings>Accounts & Sync. Maybe this will give you a few more hours throughout the day.
Last edited by allen099; January 17th, 2010 at 04:18 PM.
I get about 14 hour of use from the moment i unplug it. Full brightness, wifi, 3g, web browsing, live wallpaper, etc etc. Really 12-14 may seem bad but its all i need honestly, im hardly away from home for 14 hours and if i am its simple to adjust some things so the battery last for a wayyy long time but if im not going to be away from home for 14 hours then i definitely have full brightness and the works so i can show this phone off.
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I do understand the costs of R&D for a company, however you're forgetting who the company in this particular case is. Google went to HTC, gave them the specs that they want, saw some HTC prototypes, and that was it. HTC has been doing this for a lonnnnng time already. On the marketing front, it's Google. They put it up on their adsense, pay a little bit for some web banners and that's it. You're not seeing ads on TV or anywhere else. It's meant to be a phone that geeks initially adopt and then spread by word of mouth. For this company and for this phone, not much money was spent. Not even in distribution!
Yes but you're letting the few dictate the norm in this case. By few I'm referring to the iPhone and Droid, and the tremendous marketing efforts put forth and quantities made for both phones. This is in fact not the norm and marketing for the Nexus One, while almost non existent, more closely resembles most other smartphones that still carry a full price in excess of $500. Consider as well that this phone, even with a European version, is produced in much smaller quantities than most any other HTC. There should be no foul called for Google charging $530.
Now for their customer service? That's another story... and another (try many) thread.
Yes but you're letting the few dictate the norm in this case. By few I'm referring to the iPhone and Droid, and the tremendous marketing efforts put forth and quantities made for both phones. This is in fact not the norm and marketing for the Nexus One, while almost non existent, more closely resembles most other smartphones that still carry a full price in excess of $500. Consider as well that this phone, even with a European version, is produced in much smaller quantities than most any other HTC. There should be no foul called for Google charging $530.
Now for their customer service? That's another story... and another (try many) thread.
And that's exactly it. You hit the reason why most phones are so expensive. Because companies provide customer service for free, and for at least a year per phone, that itself costs more than the electronic parts. When you pay people $10/hr (if even) x 40hr/wk x 52 weeks, you're gonna get a cost which is much, MUCH higher than the physical product. If Google would provide the support that's needed, my opinion would change. I understand this is their first hardware product to the public, but as a business, they needed to have looked at other businesses and the aspects that make them successful. As of right now, it just looks like Google thought the phone would be completely flawless. (sorry for getting off the battery topic)
I get about 14 hour of use from the moment i unplug it. Full brightness, wifi, 3g, web browsing, live wallpaper, etc etc. Really 12-14 may seem bad but its all i need honestly, im hardly away from home for 14 hours and if i am its simple to adjust some things so the battery last for a wayyy long time but if im not going to be away from home for 14 hours then i definitely have full brightness and the works so i can show this phone off.
If I got 14hrs with FULL screen brightness I'd be jumping for joy! Problem is with everyone's reports... it's totally subjective... it's like gas mileage with a car... so many factors... I wish there was some sort of objective test (maybe through an app) that would assess if a battery is kaput or if it's just usage... I'll be eager to hear back from HTC - I emailed them about my crappy battery life...
hey man I have had a 3gs on tmobile unlocked too and am thinking about making the switch to the nexus.... I value your opinion let me know
I depends what you're looking to get out of the phone. What do you do on your iPhone? Do you feel like you're being restricted from something that the Android has? One thing I can tell you for sure is that in NYC, T-Mobile has some super-fast 3G. When you start moving out of it though, it's a bit spotty.
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I'm wondering those getting 1full day or more on a charge even make one phone call to get the battery to last that long... 
