Boy Genius is obviously drinking some spiked Apple branded cool-aid. While this article has some validity to it, he's taking the minor annoyances of Android and taking them to the extreme. Normally I'd brush off articles like these, but Boy Genius has some pull around the tech blog community.And readers who believe every word of a blog who might have been thinking about adopting Android will most likely think Android is a POS, which is completely untrue. I've noticed some more credit going to Engadget these days, and articles like these are exactly why.
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This is an add-on to the Google Nexus One review…
I have issues with Android and Google’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Google has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.
Part of my main issue with Android, and this applies slightly less to HTC Sense UI handsets, is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology. Everything is statistical and analytical. While you could argue that being this way is way superior to “feeling” and “emotion”– it might be 95% of the time — you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment. The closest example would be Palm’s webOS. A great concept, besides Apple’s iPhone OS, it’s the most polished, the most friendly, and the most human. Do you see that?
Hello. ****ing. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense. Plus, isn’t the point of all this technology to make everything feel more natural and more human? I mean, that’s why we have robotic dogs that learn (shout out to Just Blaze and I for having Sony AIBOs), that’s why our car remembers our personal settings when we enter the cockpit, that’s why our TiVos know exactly what program we want to watch. And yet, with everything moving forward in the technology space, Android continues to feel systematic and clinical.
Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But Android still feels half baked even after two years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.
There are so many fundamental issues with Android’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon. The fact that the Clock and Camera icons have different touch areas than the Facebook and Email icons is mind blowing. It’s not like you’ll always end up not triggering a touch event if you go to hit the Camera icon instead of the Maps icon real fast, but more than once I’ve had touch events not register due to icons not being uniform in size or at least in touch. It’s a small, but very important point that really reflects how poorly Android is designed in some areas.
Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years — a joke — it’s the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Google’s approach is almost as bad as RIM’s with the Storm-series.
Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.
For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense Android makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away (Apple will up their screen resolution on the iPhone to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Apple is going to come out swinging. Android isn’t a game changer. It’s a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access. That’s why even in Android 2.1, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.
I apologize for comparing this to the iPhone so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an iPhone every day of my life since it first came out in addition to every BlackBerry ever available simultaneously, and I actually had an open mind about the Nexus One possibly replacing my iPhone. I felt like maybe I wanted more “freedom” and “flexibility” and not have to deal with Apple’s ridiculous train of thought sometimes. I wasn’t too plugged into the Apple ecosystem. I already paid out the ass to upgrade my entire library to non-DRM status, I use Exchange and Gmail, both are supported on the Nexus One — nothing was really holding me back.
But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform that’s better than the iPhone counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.
Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, you’re already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Apple’s web browser is flawless. But there’s not a single application on Android that doesn’t have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)
Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android won’t be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders aren’t designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Apple’s entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. That’s entirely different from someone who’s the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you won’t see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.
If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then I’ll write another review."
Oh yeah, let's not forget Boy Genius has his own Twitter app (a paid one, nonetheless) made for iPhone that he HEAVILY marketed throughout its development on his blog. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, I'd take some of his words as truth if he had a Twitter app for Android and not just iPhone. No credibility there whatsoever.
This is an add-on to the Google Nexus One review…
I have issues with Android and Google’s approach to it. I think it’s an amazing concept — people holding hands, skipping down sugar-encrusted roads with pink ponies and colorful rainbows — but the execution falls flat in many ways if you’re a hardcore phone user, and Google has constantly missed the mark in almost every area.
Part of my main issue with Android, and this applies slightly less to HTC Sense UI handsets, is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology. Everything is statistical and analytical. While you could argue that being this way is way superior to “feeling” and “emotion”– it might be 95% of the time — you still will almost always lose that charm and that amazing feeling of connecting to something. People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment. The closest example would be Palm’s webOS. A great concept, besides Apple’s iPhone OS, it’s the most polished, the most friendly, and the most human. Do you see that?
Hello. ****ing. Humans. If you’re going to use that line, at least have the sense to actually make it make sense. Plus, isn’t the point of all this technology to make everything feel more natural and more human? I mean, that’s why we have robotic dogs that learn (shout out to Just Blaze and I for having Sony AIBOs), that’s why our car remembers our personal settings when we enter the cockpit, that’s why our TiVos know exactly what program we want to watch. And yet, with everything moving forward in the technology space, Android continues to feel systematic and clinical.
Andy Rubin is brilliant. To this day, I still compare things to the Sidekick OS because it was so ahead of its time in every way, and it made sense. But Android still feels half baked even after two years. And you can’t prance around smiling without raising the bar. You can take your non-multi-touch device and shove it — it’s inexcusable.
There are so many fundamental issues with Android’s OS that still haven’t been addressed and it really makes my head spin. Uniformity is not a word you’ll find in Android’s dictionary. How about the fact that the application icons aren’t the same size. Uh, why? Since there’s no transparent padding around the icons — you know, something that might be smart — there’s no uniformity in the touch areas when you go to tap on an icon. The fact that the Clock and Camera icons have different touch areas than the Facebook and Email icons is mind blowing. It’s not like you’ll always end up not triggering a touch event if you go to hit the Camera icon instead of the Maps icon real fast, but more than once I’ve had touch events not register due to icons not being uniform in size or at least in touch. It’s a small, but very important point that really reflects how poorly Android is designed in some areas.
Other issues that I can’t live with day to day? How do I copy text from non-editable field like an email, webpage, or SMS, or even a 3rd party application? Oh, I can’t. Say what you want about the iPhone not having copy and paste for two years — a joke — it’s the single best implementation on the planet for a smartphone and Google’s approach is almost as bad as RIM’s with the Storm-series.
Android doesn’t make sense as a whole. It’s fragmented, poorly executed, the Android Market for apps is a mess, and developers still don’t care about it. There’s not one single good IM program that I could rely on day to day (I don’t use Google Talk), the browser is decent at best. It’s faster now, sure, there’s a 1GHz CPU under its ass, but it’s not intuitive, and there’s always erroneous touch events; when I want to hit something I hit another link, button or app by accident.
For a company that’s so smart, and makes so much sense, it’s unbelievable how little sense Android makes in most places. I just can’t see why you’d want to run Android over the iPhone OS? Multitasking? Ok, we’ll have that with iPhone 4.0. What else? App Store limitations? Come on. Plus there’s a chance iPhone 4.0 will be announced in literally weeks away (Apple will up their screen resolution on the iPhone to probably double, and have a new resolution for their “slate”) — you can be sure Apple is going to come out swinging. Android isn’t a game changer. It’s a decent OS, dreamed up by an incredibly smart man, with unlimited resources and unlimited access. That’s why even in Android 2.1, it’s so disheartening to see an operating system that I can’t use daily.
I apologize for comparing this to the iPhone so much, I really didn’t set out to. But I’ve used an iPhone every day of my life since it first came out in addition to every BlackBerry ever available simultaneously, and I actually had an open mind about the Nexus One possibly replacing my iPhone. I felt like maybe I wanted more “freedom” and “flexibility” and not have to deal with Apple’s ridiculous train of thought sometimes. I wasn’t too plugged into the Apple ecosystem. I already paid out the ass to upgrade my entire library to non-DRM status, I use Exchange and Gmail, both are supported on the Nexus One — nothing was really holding me back.
But in the end, I found that the lack of any meaningful applications for Android really made it a no go from the beginning. I’m talking about quality — re-read the word quality — applications, here. The best VNC and RDP applications on Android are a joke. There’s not a single enjoyable Twitter application, and any application that’s on Android that is available on the iPhone pales in comparison. If you can find an application on the Android platform that’s better than the iPhone counterpart, I’ll send you a BGR Ninja hat.
Seriously Google, you take no responsibility for the actual “experience” of this phone, yet you tout it as your tag line. Applications in Android Market don’t work for all devices. They have to be updated, they might not work with a new resolution, or all touch screen display — try using one of those NES/SNES emulators on the Nexus One — the comments and “reviews” on apps are worse than Sidekick user’s AIM screen names, there’s no authority and no accountability in Market, and outside of people that know what they’re doing, you’re basically leading the rest into a forest with wolves in the dark, while they’re bleeding and blindfolded. Why does the VNC application I bought and paid for crash on the Nexus One with a Java.IO error? Because your entire OS is fragmented, poorly driven, poorly policed, and because in typical Google fashion, you’re already on to the next thing before making this an absolutely flawless experience for users. What happened to ferociously making sure the absolute core applications in your package were 100% perfect before shipping? BlackBerry’s email application is flawless. Apple’s web browser is flawless. But there’s not a single application on Android that doesn’t have carbon spots in it. (Look it up)
Here’s another issue on why for the foreseeable future Android won’t be anything like what Apple or another company can offer: coders aren’t designers. It’s really as simple as that and anyone in the business will know exactly what I’m talking about. That’s why Apple’s entire developer ecosystem is different, because believe it or not, Apple’s developers are amazing designers that make beautiful things, and they happen to know how to code. That’s entirely different from someone who’s the best coder in the world and trying to create something that looks, works, and feels great. And so, this is my issue with Android and why you won’t see applications of iPhone-quality on Android aside from any SDK and programming hurdles.
If an app like Tweetie 2 existed on Android, I think the Android Market would literally crash, die, burn, and hang itself by how natural, beautiful, and thoughtful that application is. Now, multiply something like that 5,000 times and you’ll have an idea of why all this Android hype amounts to very little. We have the best Android device ever made in the history of the world, finally! Oh wait, Apple’s event is in 2 weeks and no one will remember this. Until Android 2.2 launches with a new device. Then I’ll write another review.
BoyGenius needs to stick to getting inside scoops and quit posting his "thoughts" on anything.
2-3 good points surrounded by a bunch of anger filled garbage.
Engadget rigging there browser test.
PC world guys trashing the thing before it comes out only referencing Engadget reviews.
WTH is up ? This really is as bad as when EGM and Gamepro were in EA and Sonys pockets.
Meh! Just another iPhone fanboy rant. How do those idiots have pull in the tech industry anyway? I'd rather print out that crap and wipe my as* with it.
Last edited by darreno1; January 9th, 2010 at 04:04 PM.
The guy does actually make a large number of good points in his review an even within his biased follow-up drivel, but jeez... what a tool. Phones with feeling and emotion? Wtf? If I ever hear anybody say that they'd die for their phone... I'm gonna rip it out of their hands and kill them with it.
It's called an opinion. He's entitled to it and he used his site to voice it.
No its a review. Big difference.
This isnt an editorial.
This is why so many people are upset that print is dying. That kind of anger filled fluff covers up anything valid you have to say. The guy has the kind of traffic and "scoops" that lead other places to quote or get information from him. You have to have some kind of responsibility for how you package information. If that's what passes for a review from a reputable website nowadays consumers looking for fair reviews are ****ed.
I agree... apple fanboy... I was reading some other guys review of why the iphone was better than the nexus a week back and it seemed like the a**hole wanted to ride the coat tails of all the other apple products to help prove the Iphone is so much better... my thoughts were "if the Iphone is so much better than why is this guy tryin to use other products to make me believe it? shouldnt he be tryin to sell the iphone and its amazingness instead of the amazingness of the imac? or apples tablet or whatever?"
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Yes, it is. You're the one who posted the article on this forum. You would know. Actually, you should know.
BG has plenty of good points. I hope Google listens and fixes things. The applications on Android pale in comparison to iPhone apps. I'm glad he mentioned Tweetie 2 because that is a very polished application. Nothing on Android comes close to it. Every Android app I've downloaded has no polish whatsoever.
The market is a joke. It's poorly organized. Android OSes are too fragmented. iPhone's App Store can afford to be a little less organized. Why? Because everything on there works with every iPhone. This is not the case for Android phones considering the hardware varies. That is Google's problem to solve.
Copy and paste is horrible.
The only reason I bought my N1 is because I've grown tired of the iPhone. If I owned a RAZR for years and were new to both iPhone and N1, I would likely go with the iPhone today.
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Last edited by Esquire1; January 9th, 2010 at 04:52 PM.
I love Android. I loved it when the service was at 1.0 and I was using the G1... I love it just as much at 2.1 on my brand new N1. But I will never, ever die for my phone.
I can't believe this guy is honestly ranting about people's devotion to their phone as if "willing to die" for it was a good thing.
This idiot (who honestly is so conceited and arrogant as to call himself "Boy Genius") is just ranting about his own love affair with Apple. Allow me to drop a message to him and all other biased tech journa... errr I mean bloggers:
Hey tech bloggers! We get it... you all have a serious love-crush on Apple. They make shiny gadgets that have lots of swooshes and look pretty. But give it a rest, there's no secret amongst your readers about your bias. The least you could do is not further reinforce those bias' with inane driveling rants like this.
I love Android. I loved it when the service was at 1.0 and I was using the G1... I love it just as much at 2.1 on my brand new N1. But I will never, ever die for my phone.
I can't believe this guy is honestly ranting about people's devotion to their phone as if "willing to die" for it was a good thing.
This idiot (who honestly is so conceited and arrogant as to call himself "Boy Genius") is just ranting about his own love affair with Apple. Allow me to drop a message to him and all other biased tech journa... errr I mean bloggers:
Hey tech bloggers! We get it... you all have a serious love-crush on Apple. They make shiny gadgets that have lots of swooshes and look pretty. But give it a rest, there's no secret amongst your readers about your bias. The least you could do is not further reinforce those bias' with inane driveling rants like this.
This post is dribble and makes no substantial contribution to the discussion. This post makes no arguments against BG's complaints. It is a fine example of how not to post.
This post is dribble and makes no substantial contribution to the discussion. This post makes no arguments against BG's complaints. It is a fine example of how not to post.
Please take more care to contribute properly.
And who are you to be making statements like this?
It's obvious that this thread was started to discuss BGR's inane ranting on Android and I shared my thoughts about that rant.
Perhaps you should get off your high horse and discuss what's happening instead of critiquing other people's posts on a forum. Just a thought...
I did as well... forums are for opinions and opinions are fun. Somebody who supposedly goes to Princeton and Yale should know the very basic definition of both a forum and an opinion.
Anyway, do enjoy the rest of the forum, I'm sure you'll make lot of friends here and be well accepted.
No its a review. Big difference.
This isnt an editorial.
This is why so many people are upset that print is dying. That kind of anger filled fluff covers up anything valid you have to say. The guy has the kind of traffic and "scoops" that lead other places to quote or get information from him. You have to have some kind of responsibility for how you package information. If that's what passes for a review from a reputable website nowadays consumers looking for fair reviews are ****ed.
Well I did give up my Iphone for Android, but I have to say Im not offended in the least by that article. Thats exactly the sort of thing that needs to be said of this phone/os.
Meh! Just another iPhone fanboy rant. How do those idiots have pull in the tech industry anyway? I'd rather print out that crap and wipe my as* with it.
if people keep claiming that every android critic is a "fanboy" , then i have some bad news for you: android will never improve. people like you make voicing one's opinions very difficult.
I didn't read the whole thing because it's clearly a ranting diatribe of gloom but his statement about vanilla android being a generally "hallow" experience is not uncommon and like he says, Sense UI, is a different story. I think this is why HTC has so many followers lately (my self included). They put some special sauce into Android. But yeah, not a fan of two page long editorials from a rumor blog.
if people keep claiming that every android critic is a "fanboy" , then i have some bad news for you: android will never improve. people like you make voicing one's opinions very difficult.
No OS is perfect and Android does have some faults that need to be addressed, like being able to store apps completely on the SD card or play mov files out of the box etc. No one's going to argue that. However what he wrote was just fanboyish drivel and yes while it was the opinion of a well-known reviewer, it doesn't mean it's gospel and therefore can't be challenged. Most of what he wrote about Android aren't issues shared many users and seem to be based on pure emotion, the emotion of someone who feels threatened by another phone / OS.
I've used an iPhone 3g for a year (played extensively with the 3gs)and can pick apart that OS like no tomorrow. It's definitely not God's gift to man. So when I see fanboys like that douchebag heaping praise on it like it has no faults, it irks me a little.
No, Android does NOT have to be like the iPhone. If I wanted an POS iPhone, I'd have gotten the 3GS. The last thing Android needs is to be like the iPhone.
Last edited by darreno1; January 9th, 2010 at 07:01 PM.
i agree 100% with every point that BGR made. it's like he took the words out of my mouth. i have a feeling that a lot of people on this forum are in denial over the shortcomings of android. maybe they are in denial for the same reason why i have a mt3g as opposed to an iphone; i want android to win. i want the underdog to win. i want freedom and customisability to win. i want to walk into a house party and be the maverick who sports an android device as opposed to following the crowds sheepishly by getting an iphone. unfortunately, android, at least so far, is not winning in any category. 1-stock android is ugly and the colors are ugly. 2-nothing in android is 100% polished. everything is missing one thing or the other. 3-too many android updates too soon and too many app updates for too many different phones with different ROMs. 4-system replacement apps are not a valid option because they slow the phone and their colors are not congruent with native android's colors. 5-android as an OS is still designed for the geek, and not the average person. the whole OS is amateurish and seems like it was designed by some anti-establishment super-smart high-school drop out. 6-the app store is a farce. it is deplorable that the best apps on the store are those made by google itself, like maps, sky....etc. the rest have either ugly UI, poor functionality, or the app won't work on certain phones. it is sad. consider an app like RINGDROID! this app is nothing short of amazing in terms of function, but it's ugly! it's just not sleek. same thing for jetflick's: great app, ghastly UI. phonebook......great app, but colors don't match android! timmeriffic is also amazing but again, unimaginative UI. IMHO, the only app that combines UI with functionality is the little humble TIPPER. the other day i spent an hour looking for a decent timer app but ended up with none. i have astopwatch and it's decent but i needed a timer. so i downloaded the one with the best reviews and guess what? the timer does not wake the phone when time is up so what's the point? it's really sad and frankly, i don't know why this is the case; i guess BGR is right: it's not just about coding. it's about designing and having an eye for aesthetics. 7-media player is just too pedestrian, lacking functionality and polish. given its importance, you'd think that google would tackle it before the gallery. oh well, maybe in the next android. for anyone who does not know what BGR is talking about in terms of APPs, go play with your friend's iphone and you'll understand. it is true that the iphone's app store is full of lame apps, but it still has a LARGE NUMBER OF QUALITY APPS! and what's even worse is what BGR mentioned, regarding the better version of the same app being on the iphone. why does our maps app lack the pins that iphone has? call me trivial or childish for caring about pins but why dont we have them? why?
vexing, it's like android is always second rate, not up to par, rough around the edges and struggling to be understood by the average user. i am downgrading my mt3g to save money and because i am just not happy with android. i am waiting for apple's 4th iphone with great anticipation and make no mistake, if android wins the race, i will be among the first ones to dance to its beats, just not now.
the last thing i have to say is this: not every iphone user is a "fanboy"; not every web techie who criticizes android is a "fanboy"...perhaps users and techies are favoring the iphone simply because it's a better experience, period.
Last edited by anotherfandroid; January 9th, 2010 at 07:03 PM.
What makes absolutely no sense to me is the comment that android has no emotion or feeling like the iphone. WHAT? The nazi grid of apps and zero customization on iphone is more human that location aware apps that can modify the look by about any event you can think of on andorid? IN other words, a phone that works the way you want is less "human" that an iphone that only works one specific way? Thats silly.
The other thing is; the reviewer recognizes that nexus 1 has significantly better phone call ability with the noise cancellation. Compared to an iphone that has trouble even making calls. That point alone puts nexus in a different class than iphone. A class where its actually a good phone.
That is exactly what I was talking about - in essence you want Android to be like the iPhone. I say that because that's the benchmark it seems every review is set against including yours. If those are the attributes one desire, then just get a freaking iPhone and be done with it. I'm GLAD Android isn't like the iPhone. All I want from it, is for me to customize it like I see fit, install whatever I want on it and for it to work with most if not all the file formats I may use. Sure it would be nice for it to be a little smoother or maybe to have beautiful looking apps, but that's not a deal breaker although with every version those aspects will be improved.
I don't need the icons to be bigger, have borders or look like the iPhone's. I don't need Google, Verizon or Motorola locking down the phone, trying to dictate what each user should like (like Apple). That's why I got away from the iPhone to begin with.
It seems the people that complain the most about the superficial stuff (like the guy in the article and some posters on here) are former or current iPhone users.
Last edited by darreno1; January 9th, 2010 at 07:17 PM.
Haha wow, i love how he starts it off with "is that there’s practically no human emotion with Google when it comes to technology". What is this even supposed to mean? Our Android phones are supposed to have feelings and talk to us, and not function properly if we're mean?( Which i hope no one is!) And who is he to say that no Android phone user would die for their phone, just because he wouldnt die for an Android phone? I most certainly love my Droid and take better care of it than i do my little brother haha. Webloon is right!!
if people keep claiming that every android critic is a "fanboy" , then i have some bad news for you: android will never improve. people like you make voicing one's opinions very difficult.
Thank you. I've seen this happen in several phone forums. It always starts out this way. Criticism of the "new phone" is attacked in the beginning. Later on, everyone calms down and starts to see the shortcomings and accepting them - this seems to be a common cycle. Folks tend to protect their precious new toys ferociously until some of the shine wears off.
OK i mistakenly started another thread about this, but i'll post my thoughts here...
I like BGR. He usually makes good points and he's one of my top 3 sites for mobile news... And I Partially agree with him on this... Not with all of it but just some of it.. I agree that the iPhone OS and appstore are just far more polished than Android and the Nexus one..
I'm a huge texter.. My iPhone was the best for that, by far... And so far with the Nexus one i'm having MAJOR frustrations because of the lack of accuracy of the keyboard... i can't tell you how many times I have put in smiley faces in my texts (up to 4 in a row at times) because the keyboard/screen thinks i am pressing the smiley button. Tell me how am I pressing the smiley button when i'm trying to touch the P? I mean my thumbs aren't THAT fat! The overall accuracy of the keyboard is very disappointing...
Another thing.. the facebook app... on iPhone it was great. Easy to use. Fast. on android? It's frustrating.. It takes me to a web browser everytime i was to do something like view a picture or comment on someones status... And I still haven't gotten notifications to work properly. Am i Missing something?
Don't get me wrong I love my phone.. Theres just some drawbacks which I hope can be fixed by cooked ROMS. But the keyboard... MAN... It's frustrating. I hope THAT can be fixed by a software update. I just wish more time was put into this to make this a more polished device. With time i guess, huh?
Oh and don't get me started on T-Mobile! I'm thinking of waiting the 120 days, selling my device on ebay, and going to big red when this device comes out. Just don't know how much more expensive the plan will be monthly.
I love you Nexus One... But i'm not afraid to say that I miss my iPhone. Could be that i've had it for nearly two years and was used to everything on the phone. I hope I get that same "feeling' with the Nexus. I guess that's what BGR was talking about.
I didn't think that BGR's review went over the top on any of its points. Folks in here are just way too sensitive right now to any mention of shortcomings or problems with their new phone.
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OK i mistakenly started another thread about this, but i'll post my thoughts here...
I like BGR. He usually makes good points and he's one of my top 3 sites for mobile news... And I Partially agree with him on this... Not with all of it but just some of it.. I agree that the iPhone OS and appstore are just far more polished than Android and the Nexus one..
I'm a huge texter.. My iPhone was the best for that, by far... And so far with the Nexus one i'm having MAJOR frustrations because of the lack of accuracy of the keyboard... i can't tell you how many times I have put in smiley faces in my texts (up to 4 in a row at times) because the keyboard/screen thinks i am pressing the smiley button. Tell me how am I pressing the smiley button when i'm trying to touch the P? I mean my thumbs aren't THAT fat! The overall accuracy of the keyboard is very disappointing...
Another thing.. the facebook app... on iPhone it was great. Easy to use. Fast. on android? It's frustrating.. It takes me to a web browser everytime i was to do something like view a picture or comment on someones status... And I still haven't gotten notifications to work properly. Am i Missing something?
Don't get me wrong I love my phone.. Theres just some drawbacks which I hope can be fixed by cooked ROMS. But the keyboard... MAN... It's frustrating. I hope THAT can be fixed by a software update. I just wish more time was put into this to make this a more polished device. With time i guess, huh?
Oh and don't get me started on T-Mobile! I'm thinking of waiting the 120 days, selling my device on ebay, and going to big red when this device comes out. Just don't know how much more expensive the plan will be monthly.
I love you Nexus One... But i'm not afraid to say that I miss my iPhone. Could be that i've had it for nearly two years and was used to everything on the phone. I hope I get that same "feeling' with the Nexus. I guess that's what BGR was talking about.
I agree. I loved my iphone, and also love my N1, but the inaccuracy of the keyboard is annoying. I can't believe how much nicer the FB app is on the iphone either. I wasn't really dissatisfied with my iphone, but I wanted something that I could do what I want with. Android offers this, but it still has a ways to go. I don't want my N1 to be like my iphone, but I DO want it to do it's operations just as good or better than the iphone.
I didn't think that BGR's review went over the top on any of its points. Folks in here are just way too sensitive right now to any mention of shortcomings or problems with their new phone.
There are definitely some shortcomings... But there usually is with a new phone. Remember the first iphone? so many things wrong with it when it first came out.
There are definitely some shortcomings... But there usually is with a new phone. Remember the first iphone? so many things wrong with it when it first came out.
I do, and articles were published pointing out those shortcomings. The articles were for the most part pretty accurate. I guarantee that, in a few months' time (if the problems mentioned in BGR's review aren't corrected) the same people who took offense at his review will be whining about those very same shortcomings. It's the nature of the beast.
I didn't think that BGR's review went over the top on any of its points. Folks in here are just way too sensitive right now to any mention of shortcomings or problems with their new phone.
It has nothing to do with it.
Having legit gripes are one thing. Ranting on like a moron about emotional connections to a device and spewing out several things that arent accurate makes him look like a biased fool.
Theres ALOT that Android needs to improve upon but this is just another example of the blind bashing going on this week.
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Originally Posted by Esquire1
Yes, it is.
No. First sentence "add on to my review".
Id love to see him his ass torn in half trying to get that past a real editor in any reputable print publication.
Hes another angry web schlub who makes a habit of trying to pose as a a savvy industry insider. Ive followed him for awhile this isnt the first of his mindless dribblings , but this anger filled rant was just filled with wtf moments. Hes great at getting scoops i.e he knows people. His delivery while making some valid points is comical at best.
I also referenced Engadgets test rigging and a mindless rant by PCWorld bashing N1 based solely on Engadgets review.
Get a clue.
The guy does actually make a large number of good points in his review an even within his biased follow-up drivel, but jeez... what a tool. Phones with feeling and emotion? Wtf? If I ever hear anybody say that they'd die for their phone... I'm gonna rip it out of their hands and kill them with it.
I have more respect for your take on this as a user of a variety of phones. We all get so worked up about phones and which is the best and the new iPhone Killer etc etc but it really is totally subjective!
I'm fascinated by the mobile phone space now as it's so much like the games console space a generation or so ago. It's all about fanboi(y)s and blinkered attitudes toward mobile technology. Now, this is more a slight on the so called casual consumer which is the polar opposite of what the games console situation was all about. I think most people on these forums, or maybe any forums to be fair, are just geeks and huge tech junkies and are not indicative of what the random less savvy public consumer is. I think we are better equipped to see through the marketing spin on a new piece of tech and can see the pros and cons of each device and can weigh that up against what our needs and desires are. I have an iPod Touch 1G and was very much an early adopter of that device without having bought any other Apple product before that. I could see what the product had to offer ME and understood the downfalls compared to my other devices, owned a Sony NW-A3000 which has much much better sound quality than any recent iPod Touch/iPhone product. I have now grown tired of the iPod Touch/iPhone interface and of my Nokia products (devoted for many years) so feel the Android based phones will fill a gap. I would hold my hand up and say, this device is better than this device or some other device but not to the detriment of any one specific piece of technology. No one will ever bring out a perfect device. The whole Jesus Phone moniker placed on the iPhone was totally comical to me as it failed in so many areas compared to other phones at the time. Things like multi-tasking, replaceable battery and competitive standard of camera were plainly overlooked in favour of other revolutionary changes - touchscreen/interface/music application. I'm sure we could all sit down for an hour and put together our ideal dream phone but there are so many factors to juggle with these things that such a device may never be released or would cost so much that the market penetration would cripple the manufacturer.
Anyway, I've rambled too much and basically all I wanted to say was that every device out there is going to be subjected to personal preference assessment which will no doubt throw up some harmonious or repelling views. Try to be happy with your choice and justify why the product you have is right for you.
"I'm rubber, you're like glue - whatever you say, rubs off me sticks to you"
My Motorola Droid is literally a part of me, never leaves my side. I always have it ready to use. I think the applications are focusing on reliability, cost, quality first then when that is done polish it up. All will improve over time, Google's working things right I believe.
I have more respect for your take on this as a user of a variety of phones. We all get so worked up about phones and which is the best and the new iPhone Killer etc etc but it really is totally subjective!
I'm fascinated by the mobile phone space now as it's so much like the games console space a generation or so ago. It's all about fanboi(y)s and blinkered attitudes toward mobile technology. Now, this is more a slight on the so called casual consumer which is the polar opposite of what the games console situation was all about. I think most people on these forums, or maybe any forums to be fair, are just geeks and huge tech junkies and are not indicative of what the random less savvy public consumer is. I think we are better equipped to see through the marketing spin on a new piece of tech and can see the pros and cons of each device and can weigh that up against what our needs and desires are. I have an iPod Touch 1G and was very much an early adopter of that device without having bought any other Apple product before that. I could see what the product had to offer ME and understood the downfalls compared to my other devices, owned a Sony NW-A3000 which has much much better sound quality than any recent iPod Touch/iPhone product. I have now grown tired of the iPod Touch/iPhone interface and of my Nokia products (devoted for many years) so feel the Android based phones will fill a gap. I would hold my hand up and say, this device is better than this device or some other device but not to the detriment of any one specific piece of technology. No one will ever bring out a perfect device. The whole Jesus Phone moniker placed on the iPhone was totally comical to me as it failed in so many areas compared to other phones at the time. Things like multi-tasking, replaceable battery and competitive standard of camera were plainly overlooked in favour of other revolutionary changes - touchscreen/interface/music application. I'm sure we could all sit down for an hour and put together our ideal dream phone but there are so many factors to juggle with these things that such a device may never be released or would cost so much that the market penetration would cripple the manufacturer.
Anyway, I've rambled too much and basically all I wanted to say was that every device out there is going to be subjected to personal preference assessment which will no doubt throw up some harmonious or repelling views. Try to be happy with your choice and justify why the product you have is right for you.
"I'm rubber, you're like glue - whatever you say, rubs off me sticks to you"
I wish you were an early adaptor of paragraphs!
jk!
Have to totally agree with the console assessment.
I feel exactly like I did when the xbox 1 was out with Halo/Splintercel as b2b goty and ps2 guys were still moaning about how powerful there system was and how sony will always rule and graphics shmaphics.
Then and now I went with xbox and android as a "well lemme just see if its any good" with intentions to buy the big guy and was floored both times.
In both cases I have little patience with people who bash with such stupid bias. All OS and HW have imperfections.
But the keyboard... MAN... It's frustrating. I hope THAT can be fixed by a software update.
I hear you man but touchpal and better keyboard saved a lot of android users from committing suicid. I recommend touchpal. Its costlier than better keyboard but once you get used to it, it becomes a godsend.
I hear you man but touchpal and better keyboard saved a lot of android users from committing suicid. I recommend touchpal. Its costlier than better keyboard but once you get used to it, it becomes a godsend.
People would die for their iPhones, people would die for their BlackBerrys – and they feel like their lives are in there. People feel connected to their BlackBerrys. Some sleep with them next to their pillow. No one gives a crap about their Android phone, there’s zero emotional attachment.
How can someone write anything like this? Did he go around and ask new 4 day owners of the N1 if they sleep with their phone next to their pillow? When he says 'no one gives a crap about their Android phone' who did he talk to?
After reading this line I basically skipped the rest of the article, the author wrote a biased N1 review and reinforced it even more with the crap he wrote in this separate piece of junk.
Having said that, I will now go make a phone call using GV (or any other application that Apple forces out of its market), use background applications on my Android, I will take a photo with an N1 in the dark using the Led Flash before I go to sleep, positioning my Android phone next to my pillow before permanently I delete the Boy Genius Bookmark from my multitouch Dolphin browser.
I don't even know what to say. Perhaps I think like a machine but I prefer function over fashion. Notice its the people who really can't think for themselves praise the iphone. They like being told what to like. Most of the bgr rant is moot to boot. He just didn't know how to use it. Probably spent 5 minutes with a device and gave up. And I'm not going to mention who, but someone telling someone not to post their opinion that actually is adding to the thread is just wrong. I don't care what school you go to. I love how people are all critics when they have very little knowledge of the subject. Android was designed to be open source, so everyone can chip in and customize what they like. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Bgr also loves to blast winmo, when it still outshines every mobile os out there with pure functionality. I seriously miss my winmo but manufactures just aren't putting out modern hardware with winmo. If they loaded winmo 7 on the nexus hardware people would really be amazed. Flawless LOCAL syncing, and it offers cloud syncing. True push email, true copy and paste anything. Amazing live messenger. I can go on and on. I went with android, and I do like it, but it is lacking. It will grow.
I think the next few years are going to amazingly exciting. Its going to boil down to android, webos, and winmo. Unless rim innovates big time, and apple dumps their archaic business model, they will be left in the dust. I've seen the winmo 7 ui and it truley will Amaze people again.
For winmo and webos to succeed, however, they will need companies like htc to really make a good hardware device. The tp2 is nothing short of amazing on the outside, but the chipset blows and it needs to be upgraded. If they took the tp2 design with n1 or better hardware, at the current time, winmo would blow every other os out of the water. Winmo can emulate any ui, iphone and android, and do it well, with more features. Better put... what can't you do on winmo that you can do on other mobile os. I really can't think of one thing.
Sorry for turning this into a winmo superiority thread... but it had to be said. Bgr is 110 percent biased towards the iphone, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was on apples payroll. He blasted winmo before android came out and winmo is clearly superior. Sure it didn't have a button row, but it was called a pocket pc for a reason. After owning several it was truley like have a pc in the palm of your hand.
Now I love my android phone, and it works great. Even with vanilla android. Android does have a long way to go, but it will be an instersting ride.
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lol wow this guys really got it out for the N1. geez guy its only been like what 5 days since it came out. give it some time. everyone knows that tech devices are gonna have problems, its gonna take a few tries to get it right.
For those defending these and engadget goons. There little "be careful what you wish for" comments about Flash are just another in this weeks line of stupid commentary.
I have more respect for your take on this as a user of a variety of phones. We all get so worked up about phones and which is the best and the new iPhone Killer etc etc but it really is totally subjective!
I'm fascinated by the mobile phone space now as it's so much like the games console space a generation or so ago. It's all about fanboi(y)s and blinkered attitudes toward mobile technology. Now, this is more a slight on the so called casual consumer which is the polar opposite of what the games console situation was all about. I think most people on these forums, or maybe any forums to be fair, are just geeks and huge tech junkies and are not indicative of what the random less savvy public consumer is. I think we are better equipped to see through the marketing spin on a new piece of tech and can see the pros and cons of each device and can weigh that up against what our needs and desires are. I have an iPod Touch 1G and was very much an early adopter of that device without having bought any other Apple product before that. I could see what the product had to offer ME and understood the downfalls compared to my other devices, owned a Sony NW-A3000 which has much much better sound quality than any recent iPod Touch/iPhone product. I have now grown tired of the iPod Touch/iPhone interface and of my Nokia products (devoted for many years) so feel the Android based phones will fill a gap. I would hold my hand up and say, this device is better than this device or some other device but not to the detriment of any one specific piece of technology. No one will ever bring out a perfect device. The whole Jesus Phone moniker placed on the iPhone was totally comical to me as it failed in so many areas compared to other phones at the time. Things like multi-tasking, replaceable battery and competitive standard of camera were plainly overlooked in favour of other revolutionary changes - touchscreen/interface/music application. I'm sure we could all sit down for an hour and put together our ideal dream phone but there are so many factors to juggle with these things that such a device may never be released or would cost so much that the market penetration would cripple the manufacturer.
Anyway, I've rambled too much and basically all I wanted to say was that every device out there is going to be subjected to personal preference assessment which will no doubt throw up some harmonious or repelling views. Try to be happy with your choice and justify why the product you have is right for you.
"I'm rubber, you're like glue - whatever you say, rubs off me sticks to you"
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Originally Posted by IOWA
I don't even know what to say. Perhaps I think like a machine but I prefer function over fashion. Notice its the people who really can't think for themselves praise the iphone. They like being told what to like. Most of the bgr rant is moot to boot. He just didn't know how to use it. Probably spent 5 minutes with a device and gave up. And I'm not going to mention who, but someone telling someone not to post their opinion that actually is adding to the thread is just wrong. I don't care what school you go to. I love how people are all critics when they have very little knowledge of the subject. Android was designed to be open source, so everyone can chip in and customize what they like. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Bgr also loves to blast winmo, when it still outshines every mobile os out there with pure functionality. I seriously miss my winmo but manufactures just aren't putting out modern hardware with winmo. If they loaded winmo 7 on the nexus hardware people would really be amazed. Flawless LOCAL syncing, and it offers cloud syncing. True push email, true copy and paste anything. Amazing live messenger. I can go on and on. I went with android, and I do like it, but it is lacking. It will grow.
I think the next few years are going to amazingly exciting. Its going to boil down to android, webos, and winmo. Unless rim innovates big time, and apple dumps their archaic business model, they will be left in the dust. I've seen the winmo 7 ui and it truley will Amaze people again.
For winmo and webos to succeed, however, they will need companies like htc to really make a good hardware device. The tp2 is nothing short of amazing on the outside, but the chipset blows and it needs to be upgraded. If they took the tp2 design with n1 or better hardware, at the current time, winmo would blow every other os out of the water. Winmo can emulate any ui, iphone and android, and do it well, with more features. Better put... what can't you do on winmo that you can do on other mobile os. I really can't think of one thing.
Sorry for turning this into a winmo superiority thread... but it had to be said. Bgr is 110 percent biased towards the iphone, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was on apples payroll. He blasted winmo before android came out and winmo is clearly superior. Sure it didn't have a button row, but it was called a pocket pc for a reason. After owning several it was truley like have a pc in the palm of your hand.
Now I love my android phone, and it works great. Even with vanilla android. Android does have a long way to go, but it will be an instersting ride.
Both of these posts are very well written in that they capture the true essence of this whole argument. The biggest point in this whole mess that people seem to forget is that it all comes down to personal preference. Everyone has different views on what they want and what is important to them, and it's all so subjective that when people start getting nasty and insulting about it, it's just not logical (aka - nobody wants / likes exactly what you do, so relax).
What seems to have been forgotten is how new this damn phone is. It only just was released to the public 5 days ago, of course it has glitches and shit that needs to be fixed. You have to give it some time, just like I'm sure the Iphone and any other phone takes when it's new, ESPECIALLY a phone with a lot more to it (smart phones). I understand that the argument is also with Android, which has had more time to grow than the phone itself, but it's still growing and I'm sure it will improve if they focus on user feedback and keep plugging away.
I like that the second quoted post by IOWA points out the sheep like mentality of Iphone users. I'm not even trying to hate, but I've seen this type of thought process in basically any Iphone owner I've met. I'm sure this isn't the case for all Iphone owners, but seriously the large majority of owners are what have turned me off to the phone more than anything else. I do think it's a very functional piece of work aside from the phone calls aspect (which is AT&T, not Apple, to blame). However, I guess I fall into that other side of people who want to feel like they aren't just jumping on the big band wagon.
I know almost nothing about most of the internals and little glitches etc... that contribute to most of these complaints about various phones that are being compared. I'm mostly probably more of that average consumer that has been referred to earlier, who may not notice many of these issues. I've got a little bit of the "geek" side in me, and it's also a combination of being meticulous about researching something before I buy it. That's mostly why I read and participate in forums like this. I think the truth is that the average consumer will love it, but it also needs to be given a chance. Half the problem is how much hype it received as the next HUGE phone and being called the "Google Phone" etc, which just instantly pitted it against the Iphone in everyones eyes.
It's a new phone, still a pretty new OS, and yes it has issues. Hopefully this will all be worked out or addressed with some time on the market, and just time to grow.
Honestly my biggest concern right now is the huge complaints about difficult user support, customer service, etc... I know it's brand new and so they are getting the big wave of crap right now, but I hope this stuff starts improving as they get settled a bit. I really wish the phone had an in store aspect, because it seems that removing that has made getting help with issues such as returns, defects, or whatever MUCH harder.
I really hope they change this or ease up on it a bit and let the carrier stores get involved a bit more. I'm waiting patiently on Verizon, and I hope once it releases for them, a lot of this has been worked out.
I wish you were an early adaptor of paragraphs!
jk!
Have to totally agree with the console assessment.
I feel exactly like I did when the xbox 1 was out with Halo/Splintercel as b2b goty and ps2 guys were still moaning about how powerful there system was and how sony will always rule and graphics shmaphics.
Then and now I went with xbox and android as a "well lemme just see if its any good" with intentions to buy the big guy and was floored both times.
In both cases I have little patience with people who bash with such stupid bias. All OS and HW have imperfections.
LOL. Apologies about the lack of paragraphs! I didn't preview the post before I submitted.
I don't know if you guys know this, you probably do, but Google Support Forums seems to be the #1 destination where all complains go and also where Android/Nexus haters cite. I urge you people to come to http://www.google.com/support/forum/...a062958c&hl=en and help knock some sense into people.
I hope this is not advertising just trying to help clean up Google's image, afterall all this BS Google is getting is unjustified really, kind of immature on the public's part.
Here are currently posts in defense:
"Over these few days, I noticed many mundane questions and problems being posted up, all pointing fingers at Google. Guys, CHILL, give Google a break! No company is perfect! Remember the early days of the iPhone? No 3G, no copy paste... for about 1 YEAR! It took around a year for Apple to "perfect" their iPhone... Look at Palm, when the Pre debuted, it took them about 6 months to refine webOS to what we see today.
So I say, give Google a break, they're new to this industry, its obvious they can't keep up, but give them some time. I'm confident that Google will improve upon their almost non-existent customer service in the future. It's the Nexus One's big debut, of course they're going to have trouble keeping up with the orders. I know Google promised overnight shipping for the US and 1-3 day shipping notification for international orders, but lets face it, thats a tough promise to keep, especially with the phone's debut, and its likely some people will get unlucky and miss out. But don't fret, it'll come sooner or later.
Just imagine if Google released the Nexus to another few countries, there would probably be so much more chaos! So chill out, the Nexus One will turn into something greater than it already is now, and most problems will be solved by Google and the COMMUNITY, after all thats the power of open source, or why not just try to Google it, chances are people are going to experience the same problems.
This is just my opinion regarding all the problems coming in at the moment, you may choose to disregard it and leave this page a angrier person, or you may choose to respect it and leave as a happy camper. "
"I would also like to point out for those of you who are switching from any other non-android phones (well, if you're an android-user this might apply too) that the switch might take a while. I want you people to understand that the Nexus One is not your previous phone, and in no way should it be expected to work like your previous phone. Its just like when you switch from PC to Mac or the other way around, there are always going to be some nitpicks at first, but after a while, you'll learn to appreciate (hopefully) what each unique system offers.
Whether it works better or for the worst is irrelevant as long as you are a new user. I believe many people form biased views towards the interface before even using it for 2 weeks. If you tell me after around 2 weeks of use, you like X phone's interface/layout (whatever really) better, I'll take your word for it and respect your opinion. As of now, just try to keep it to yourselves in order to reduce clutter in the forums as well as mislead potential customers who might really like the phone.
This applies to all the physical keyboard fanatics, seasoned iPhone users, etc... Hope you all understand. "
I didn't think that BGR's review went over the top on any of its points. Folks in here are just way too sensitive right now to any mention of shortcomings or problems with their new phone.
Agree 100%.
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Originally Posted by ManMythLegend
No. First sentence "add on to my review".
It's an add on in the sense that it's his personal opinion. Notice how he kept all of that out of the actual review. Further, the title of the editorial is "Google Android Personal Thoughts" and it is "Filed under: Android, Handsets, Opinions." Notice how the actual review is not tagged under Opinions. He kept it separate for a reason and I think it would be smart to recognize this.
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For those defending these and engadget goons. There little "be careful what you wish for" comments about Flash are just another in this weeks line of stupid commentary.
Flash is absolute garbage. I don't want my browser being clogged up with weak Flash intros and horrible Flash ads. Apple made the right choice in not including Flash. It is a horrible resource hog. Bring on HTML5 and let's be done with Flash forever. Good riddance.
A lot of people like to take up the "iPhones are for mainstream idiots!" flag but Flash is definitely a mainstream idea. Those in the know are aware of Flash's many, many shortcomings. And what would I use Flash for, anyway? Poorly designed websites with cheap intros? Flash games? Don't waste my time.
At least Android is open source. Hopefully then I will be able to avoid Flash completely.
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Originally Posted by IOWA
Notice its the people who really can't think for themselves praise the iphone. They like being told what to like.
Where do you people come up with this nonsense? How is it that people can't really think for themselves when they like the iPhone? What does that even mean? Anyone who likes anything about the iPhone can't think for him/herself? It is ridiculous how someone liking the iPhone, any aspect of it at all, automatically can't think for him/herself. Have you even used an iPhone for an extended period of time? Or are you just having this attitude because everyone loves the iPhone?
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Originally Posted by IOWA
I love how people are all critics when they have very little knowledge of the subject.
How very relevant. Do you own an iPhone? According to your signature, no, you do not. So who has little knowledge of the subject at hand? A subject that specifically discusses the iPhone?
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Originally Posted by IOWA
Bgr also loves to blast winmo, when it still outshines every mobile os out there with pure functionality. I seriously miss my winmo but manufactures just aren't putting out modern hardware with winmo. If they loaded winmo 7 on the nexus hardware people would really be amazed. Flawless LOCAL syncing, and it offers cloud syncing. True push email, true copy and paste anything. Amazing live messenger. I can go on and on.
That's because winmo is garbage and that is why Microsoft is releasing 7 in very quick succession of 6.5. 6.5 wasn't even meant to be released.
From wiki: Windows Mobile 6.5 was never part of Microsoft's mobile phone roadmap, and has been described by its chief executive, Steve Ballmer, as an unwanted stopgap until the multi-touch enabled Windows Mobile 7 arrives in 2010.[35] Version 6.5 is a minor upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.1 that was released to manufacturers on May 11, 2009, and the first devices running the operating system are expected to debut later during October '09.
You can extol 7 all you want but it's not released. Until then, calm yourself. I am all for 7 being fantastic. And from what I'm hearing and seeing, it is fantastic. That's great. I hope it does well. If it performs better than my Android phone, I assure you I will pick one up. I am just as excited about winmo 7 as anyone else. I really hope MS, with all its experience in OSes, comes out swinging. They have a lot to bring to the table.
Further, this is not directed to you, but to many on this forum: I don't care about loyalty to Apple, Google, or MS. I don't care in the least. All I care about is my experience, not one side "winning." You all should feel the same. What do you benefit when your OS is garbage but it is selling the most? The market will never improve.
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Originally Posted by IOWA
Its going to boil down to android, webos, and winmo. Unless rim innovates big time, and apple dumps their archaic business model, they will be left in the dust.
This is hilarious. Yes, Apple, with its archaic business model, sells the most hardware and sets the standard for mobile OSes. If you knew anything, you'd know Apple has a fantastic business model. Look at how iTunes revolutionized the music industry. And look at how the App Store revolutionized the cell phone industry. Small developers can make substantial money whereas they could not have before. Moreover, with Apple's acquisition of Quattro, shows they know where this market is heading.
I understand you love WinMo. And that's fine. You should buy and love whatever OS suits you. But your failure to recognize the good Apple has done to the mobile market is absurd. The entire mobile phone market was turned on its head with the release of the iPhone. It is absolutely ridiculous some people on this forum refuse to believe this. If it weren't for Apple, we would all not be with our N1s in their current state.
I bought my N1 recognizing its shortcomings. But I know Google is going to improve the OS. I like its direction and I know the phone will do what I want it to do. If any of you want your phones to be improved, no matter how great you may think they are, it is in your best interest to recognize its shortcomings and acknowledge what the other companies do better. Until then, enjoy having your head in the sand.
While I appreciate your points and actually agree with most of them Esquire, its the attacking tone of the article/your post that most don't care for (whether its about this phone or anything else that belongs to them).
I have this phone and agree with the theme of the article. Outside looking in, the biggest drawback is this phone doesn't really move the market anywhere, it just makes small improvements here and there. Where the iphone really came in and completely altered the smartphone landscape, I think everyone expected Google to do the same. Whether or not that's fair to Google doesn't really matter. Most of everything is based in some form off of what the iphone started. Homescreens, app store, etc. No, I don't need more "human element." But a prettier interface? Yeah, I'll take that. Its like the live wallpapers are supposed to hide the fact that the home screen is built just like the iphone. I understand liking functionality over features, but I don't agree that they are mutually exclusive.
That said, I bought this phone hoping that an Android community could build on the open system. I'm hoping we can get something going like an xbmc engine that can be skinned. I'm hoping that voice recognition software continues to develop. A lot of how this phone/system will succeed revolves around the community and where we take it. If it has shortcomings, lets get them in the open not just to fix them, but improve the overall design.
News flash: Ask the common consumer who or what the Boy Genius Report is and they couldn't tell you. Yes they have pull but I think their audience is phone enthusiast who know better than to take his word without further research. Now I can say this has some valid points but he is looking at the Nexus One as a threat and was prejudice to it from the beginning. Notice how he says "we" when referring to the iphone? hmm....
This a OS based forum, people here have a higher than average interest/passion for phones, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
At the end of the day, it's still just a phone. And the truth is somewhere between the blind supporters on both sides.
What apple did in 2007 is very hard to repeat because there was quite a difference between iphone and what others offered at the time.
As for users, it all depends what your individual needs are. Give the iphone users credit as well, anybody that jail broke the iphone was thinking outside the box, those folks are allies, in a way.
Being passionate about phones kills the objectiveness. We are critical of android but as soon as someone is critical of android and we know that person is on the other side of the fence, we tend to deprive them of rights to express their opinions.
Yes, there are biased reviews, comparisons and what not out there, why are folks so sensitive about this? Enjoy your phones if you are happy with them, care less about opinions.
Android platform has ways to go yet but at least it's moving.
If you have an inner douche bag, suppress that SOB. It's about what your phone does for you, not if others are waiting in lines to get it.
I'll be happy with a phone that I find fully functional and attractive, even it other phones beat it out in every single category.
But comparisons to the iphone are inevitable as it set the bar high and media is all about that comparison shit.
The term "iphone killer" is laughable, considering how often it's used, just as are those that start crying as soon as someone claims to go 187 on the iphone.
Social networking sites, tech news sites, PDA's, gaming consoles and pc/mac wars are indicators how messed up today's society is.
In a online special Olympics contest, even the winner is still ******ed.
Chill out and let that BS be.
I agree with some of the points. Whilst I have never noticed this so called problem with icon boarders on an Android device, you can't deny that the Market is a mess - unless you know what you are looking for (i.e. doing a search) it is utterly dreadful to use.
Most popular apps are largely the same apps that were there when the G1 came out and that says a lot.
I love Android (as an ex iPhone user), it has a great interface, great customisation, excellent sync with everything web and Google and it's great to mess around with when you're just plain bored. It would take a lot for me to stop being loyal (I've had a G1, Hero and N1 is on the way) but I miss the games and great apps on iPhone.
Flash is absolute garbage. I don't want my browser being clogged up with weak Flash intros and horrible Flash ads. Apple made the right choice in not including Flash. It is a horrible resource hog. Bring on HTML5 and let's be done with Flash forever. Good riddance.
And that's just your opinion. For me, flash is absolutely essential to the workings of many websites, and I will welcome it.
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That's because winmo is garbage and that is why Microsoft is releasing 7 in very quick succession of 6.5. 6.5 wasn't even meant to be released.
The original iPhone OS was primitive and featureless by many phone's standards at the time. It's main attractions were a beautiful screen and good web browser. But once that hyped wore off, Apple had to quickly release the 3g and several updates to bring some fundamental features that were present in other phones, e.g copy and paste to name a few. So I fail to see your point of attacking another OS for having updates when the iPhone has had several and is still not totally stable - tons of crashes are still being reported in the Apple forums.
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I bought my N1 recognizing its shortcomings. But I know Google is going to improve the OS. I like its direction and I know the phone will do what I want it to do. If any of you want your phones to be improved, no matter how great you may think they are, it is in your best interest to recognize its shortcomings and acknowledge what the other companies do better. Until then, enjoy having your head in the sand.
If Apple is so great, why do have an N1? This is something I see a lot: Apple users supposedly sporting Droids, G1s, Hero's yet they feel the need to defend their precious iPhones at every turn. Makes me wonder if they really do have Androids or are not here to just troll.
Look NO os is without faults, but to criticize one because it's not like the other is laughable. Use what works for you. Android's difference is what makes it special. Yeah I want it to improve, but to not necessarily mimick the iphone.
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This is hilarious. Yes, Apple, with its archaic business model, sells the most hardware and sets the standard for mobile OSes. If you knew anything, you'd know Apple has a fantastic business model. Look at how iTunes revolutionized the music industry. And look at how the App Store revolutionized the cell phone industry. Small developers can make substantial money whereas they could not have before. Moreover, with Apple's acquisition of Quattro, shows they know where this market is heading.
You are right, Apple did reinvigorate the smartphone market and their app store is a hit, but iTunes is the biggest POS on the planet, just my opinion. Double twist and some of the alternatives are so much better it's not even funny. Apple wants to tie everyone in for good reason: it's good business, but not everyone is buying into their philosophy and that's part of the reason many technophiles are switching platforms. I'll give them their due, but they're not going to be as relevent any more. As more knowledge trickle down to the regular Joe, there will be more people jumping ship. The pressure is building on all sides and will continue to do so till Android captures a large piece of the market, you watch and see.
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