ap3604

In a few months the iPad is coming out. This would scare me if I buy a ATT compatible N1.

You already have alot of complaints about ATT's 3g network just due to the iPhone use, I wonder whats going to happen if you add in a bunch of iPad 3g users as well...

Seems like the safest thing to do is to wait for a verizon/sprint or stick with t-mo no? Let me know what you guys think.

Last edited by ap3604; March 18th, 2010 at 08:38 PM.

Air Force One

I think this was a really stupid thread to start. So everyone on ATT should leave because the iPad is coming and it's going to kill the network? You sound like an idiot.

ap3604

Hey dumbass, it was a question about which N1 to get/wait for.

I didnt ask for some childish response from some idiot like you that gets all defensive about protecting the image of ATT. If you dont have a good response then leave the thread alone moron...

Air Force One

You asked what folks think so I told you. Quit being so touchy....if you cannot have a thicker skin, maybe the internet is not for you...

I'm sorry but the premise of your question was/is stupid

ap3604

I asked which N1 to get... I didnt ask what you opinion was of me or the thread.

Since you don't seem to understand how the basic english system of a question and an answer for the question works, just leave the thread alone tard.

Air Force One

Man, you're as touchy as my little sister. Don't wet your pants like she does tho!!

And once more, your premise that the IPad will affect Nexus users is a stupid one. I;m sorry that hurts your feelings but it's the way it is...

All I did was say you sounded like an idiot. Thank you for confirming!!

ap3604

Sigh moving on... forgot idiots are a waste of my time

I guess if anyone can actually make an response to the question without name calling to start out with it would be appreciated...

Outatime

Agreed. The biggest problem N1 AT&T people will experience is.. well.. AT&T. If AT&T didn't suck I'd have an iPhone already.

Air Force One

The only one to name call was you...if you want to move on then let it go...

ap3604

Thanks Outatime I appreciate the intelligent response.

Air Force One

Just cannot let it go, huh?

tonygeno

When my iPhone was on ATT it was the worst. Dropped calls galore even with full bars. I finally fired them off the roof, unlocked the iPhone and went with T-Mobile. I miss having 3G but don't miss the dropped calls. The concern over whether the iPad is going to further damage an overtaxed network is a valid one, unless you don't need to make calls.

Air Force One

IMO, you are wrong.

There is nothing unique about the iPhone to cause issues for ATT. Thre problem is the numbers of new and current users coming to ATT for the iPhone that causes for issues.

The ONLY way the iPad is going to have any effect on Nexus one users on ATT(lets not forget that was the premise of this thread) is if they sell AS MANY AN THEY DID of the iPHONES.

I can promise you there will never be even close to the number of iPads on ATT as there are iPhones. Not even remotely.

And you can quote me on that for future pwning. Hell the iPad cannot even make calls or multitask! How the heck is it going to clog ATT so bad Nexus users will feel it???? It won't!

ap3604

Thanks tonygeno I appreciate the intelligent response.

Air Force One

You only think intelligent responses are those you want to hear.

I'm sorry but you are both not only wrong, but badly so. I usually don't flat out tell someone they are wrong, but this is a unique case of idiocy or apparent bias against a network.

I don't have issues with folks having legit issues with ATT or any other network, I have my own issues with ATT.

But this thread is stupid and so was your question...either stupid or biased.

ap3604

Just cannot let it go, huh?

Air Force One

Not really

I've just been giving you a hard time man but you gotta admit there will never be enough iPads to hurt the network or Nexus users?

I guess I could be wrong,... and every iPhone user is going to buy one... and carry it around with their iPhone and use it darn near as much as their iPhone?

I just don't see it.

ap3604

Thanks for the hard time brotha

Your probably right though. The $630 price tag for the 3g version might not sell as well as the $200 iPhone so probably not a big deal... just was a thought that crossed my mind.

tonygeno

Exactly. Whether the iPad causes sufficient increase in traffic to further affect the ATT network is beyond my purview. That said, those of us with iPhones and very poor reception on the ATT Network can only wonder if another device with lots of web traffic will further clog the network.

Air Force One

My apologies for being an ass about it.

I hope you get a Nexus regardless of network. I think you'd really enjoy it and it would be nice to have you around the forum.

Air Force One

Truth be told we have more to worry about regarding all the new Android phones getting ready to hit ATT than any iPads, imo.

IMO, those have the potential to bring in enough new users to at least discuss the possibility it could cause problems. I still don't think it will. Hopefully ATT learned something from the iPhone but you never know I guess.

Covert_Death

it's a valid concern i think, i meen the iphone did crash their network, it's BARELY stabalized since then and another round of "3g onlyness devices" is going to suck it dry in my opinion. the price is HIGH, but i think there are enough mac boys out there to do SOME harm to the network

briany

refresh button much?

The iPad is not going to do much for AT&T. It definitely will add more usage to the network, and it's barely capable now. If I were hopeful, I'd trust AT&T to be anticipating this and working to upgrade their network. Fortunately I don't need to be hopeful because I don't have a data plan anyway, and I can only to connect to 2G, which despite its slow speed is actually quite stable in my area, unlike the 3G network. You could see about switching to Sprint/Verizon, and it may turn out to be worthwhile, but their networks could start to bottleneck like AT&T's. Ideally they'd learn from AT&T, but we'll see.

cwrig

The N1 is a more capable web browser than the ipad. I would be more concerned on what all the new android devices will do to ATT's congested network more than the crippled ipad.

Covert_Death

i think the app downloading is what will kill it.. so android ontop of ipad users are gonna suck it dry

clutchy

i still can't figure out why people are bagging on ATT's network. In southern/central california it's superb. I've used it in phoenix/mesa AZ as well and have never had any issues. It worked well in D.C. and boston when i was there last year as well as vermont and new hampshire; it was a vacation though.

It's blazing fast and i always have 3g.

The only problem i had was crappy voice reception but that was the iphone. The nexus sounds much better and people can hear me better as well.

ATT just has bad PR and for some reason people dig verizon's smug commercials.

tonygeno

Because the small sample size I know (people in Boston and DC) drop calls all the time. My daughter who uses her phone for business in the DC suburbs (northern VA) brought her iPhone to the Apple store, they put it on their machine and told her she was dropping 60% of her calls! And that was after replacing numerous sim cards and one phone. No refund was forthcoming, she paid $115 to get out of the contract, bought an Eris and her dropped calls are now essentially zero. In NYC Apple says 30% dropped calls are acceptable. I have friends that have other phones on ATT in the affected areas and have similar problems. My running joke with ATT customer support was "I thought you guys had more bars in more places? I guess just not my places..." as I suffered from the same "quality" service. Unlocking the phone and switching to T-Mobile has cut my dropped calls by 90%. And ATT has better coverage in my area! It's the network that's the problem.

Last edited by tonygeno; March 19th, 2010 at 08:15 AM.

th0r615

I have an iPhone on AT&T and I have not had more then 2 or 3 dropped calls since June last year. No more then I had with Verizon in the same period of time. And there is only 1 small area around here that I dont get service and its a rural area (which happens to be where my church is, so its probably a good thing).

I live in Baltimore county btw

jpasint

Agreed, S. Florida has kick butt 3G with ATT. I have a 3GS and now the N1 and both get about 2.5 Mb download consistently and no dropped calls.

A few coworkers that have the Tmo N1 are only getting about 600 kb.

Joe

deel

i thought the initial question is totally valid. ipad users will slow down the att network. now i'm actually glad i'm sticking with tmobile

tonygeno

Are you on the phone for hours during the day, driving around going from appointment to appointment? That's where the majority of dropped calls occur, for me and the others I know.

My son-in-law works in Silver Spring, does not travel for business and makes the occasional call. He loves the phone.

Last edited by tonygeno; March 19th, 2010 at 10:37 AM.

tamanaco

Always between a rock and a hard place. I believe not all the questions are answered yet. I'm a NYC AT&T Voice + Data customer with an expired contract and was a Verizon customer (work phone) for a few years until a few month ago. A victim of the downturn.

With Verizon voice reception is solid almost everywhere, but 3G data connections at their peak are not as fast as AT&T. Unless you get a World Phone like the Verizon HTC Imagio CDMA&GSM. Verizon's phones are basically useless when you travel abroad. Verizon plans are expensive, but we have yet to see if they're going to offer plans that are tailored for the N1. We have yet to see how the N1 (specifically) performs in Verizon's 3G network. We also don't know if the Verizon N1 is going to be a World Phone CDMA&GSM like the Verizon Imagio so that you can use a GSM prepaid SIM outside the US. Another thing that worries me about a Verizon N1 is that xda and pdageeks community might take a lot longer to release a cooked ROM. The Verizon "exclusive" HTC Imagio has been out for a while and there is no cooked ROM for it yet.

With AT&T I get good voice quality with a few voice calls dropped and in many places the signal is not as solid and strong as Verizon's. Data reliability also fluctuates, but when the 3G signal is optimal it beats data throughput of a Verizon phone with optimal 3G signal. AT&T 3G coverage in NYC is improving. The GSM band that they use for voice is popular outside the US (European and Asian countries) All you need is a pre-paid SIM and you can use your N1 in many countries. AT&T "appears" not to have an "official" relationship with Google as it relates to the support of the N1 on their network. AT&T offers 2-year voice contract plans for $60 with a subsidized phone or 2-year without a subsidize phone for the same $60. Their no-contract also cost $60. In other words, none of their contracts are pro-rated to be friendly to "unlocked" phones.

What I hear about t-mobile in NYC is that their 3G data speeds are not so great, but that they're working on improving their network. T-mobile has subsidized plans for the N1 and has no-contract plans that take into account the cost of the N1. In other words, t-mobile has plans that are tailored for the N1.

The main reasons I have not bought my N1 yet is that I'm waiting to see what Verizon is going to do in regards to N1 service plans, is the Verizon N1 going to be a World Phone, and how fast is the N1 going to be on their 3G network. I have Verizon POTS and DSL, so I can also get a break if I bundle my Wireless service with them.

I welcome any positive or negative comments you have in regards to where "I see" my position to be. I know, I know... I should stop looking so much at the pros and cons and get the freaking phone from AT&T without renewing my contract!

Last edited by tamanaco; March 19th, 2010 at 12:32 PM.

clutchy

^ one thing i'd add is that both t-mobile and ATT versions are perfectly fine for voice all around the world they're quad band GSM phones which pretty much covers voice anywhere.

3g really isn't a voice service, it's for data.

tamanaco

I stand corrected... I meant to say GSM. Forgot to mention that traveling to Canada with an AT&T phone is also convenient.

Edit:
Corrected my post above.

Correct me if I'm wrong, t-mobile GSM for voice is fine outside the US, but t-mobile runs its 3G protocols for data on different bands than AT&T. My understanding, again I could be wrong, is that AT&T runs their 3G protocols in a Band that is also commonly used for 3G protocols outside the US. This is the reason why a t-mobile N1 can not reach 3G speed in the AT&T network.

Last edited by tamanaco; March 19th, 2010 at 12:40 PM.

HyperM3

To the OP,
From my understanding of everything Ive read, Apple isnt expecting iPad users to really be using this product on a network. They are expecting iPad users to be utilizing wifi with the device more than 90% of the time. This will hardly affect the ATT network.

Now, that being said, in response to all the other ATT bashing posts. It gets really draining. Anyone ever notice the amount of posts containing "ATT dropped calls" and "with my iPhone"? Its not the network, its the phone. I have YET to really find anyone on a blackberry(self included) to EVER drop a call on ATT. I love ATT and have yet to find anywhere Ive gone where I didnt get service.

I switched from ATT in November to VZW for the droid. That lasted 10 days. I got more dropped calls in one week than I have in 4 yrs on ATT. I had people telling me I sounded like I was talking through a fishbowl. My father even told me not to call him again until I got a proper phone or back on ATT. Well, moved back to ATT with the Bold 9700 and have been happy ever since. Gonna be happier when my N1 arrives tomorrow!

Push

ATT is currently revamping their network in all major markets and working their way in. I personally have no dropped calls in Columbus GA (3G)

JD914

I'll never go back to Verizon for any reason what so ever and Sprint has one foot in the grave.

clutchy

Most all phones with GSM can be used almost anywhere. It's an international standard. I think the US is the only place that uses CDMA still.

It's really the 3G frequencies that are different b/w ATT and T-mob. The reason the t-mob N1 can't get 3g on ATT is b/c it doesn't support the proper frequences, which are 850mhz and 1900mhz if i'm not mistaken.

jmcgee_jr

Actually China and Taiwan use CDMA heavily still. And no ATT and TMO do use dif freq for 3g. Att is 850 and 1900 as you stated and TMO is 900/1700/2100. TMO matches what most other countries in the world use for 3G. ATT and Rogers are the only ones using the 850/1900.

Tsquare

I just recently switched from Verizon to AT&T. I got the iPhone 3Gs 32GB. I experienced the 3G/Edge switching, and incredibly slow 3g speeds compared to Verizon. 2 days after I started my contract the N1 came out, I have been eyeing it for a while. So I sold my iPhone on eBay and bought the N1. I have less 3g/edge switching with it than the iPhone. I spoke to the rep at the AT&T store (as all of them were drooling over my N1) and was voicing my displeasure with AT&T 3G speed. Apparently they (AT&T) will be upgrading the network VERY soon according to the sales reps. So, heres hoping.

seattleboi1982

actually, your partly right, AT&T uses 850 or 1900 depending on what area in the country they own spectrum, most of the 3g phones that are 3g smart phones come with the required 2100 MHz. when your talking about T-mobile's 3g compared to AT&T, yes they use different Frequency's, they use band IV: 1700 MHz down, 2100 MHz up. AT&T users Band II: 1900; and band V: 850, as i mentioned earlier, depending on the area. No telecom company here in the states uses Band VIII: 900, that band is more prevalent in Asia and Europe.

UMTS frequency bands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Foo (AZ)

That's interesting that ATT believes the iPad will only be used on their network 10% of the time. This is an assumption on their part and we really have to see what apps and services come out for the iPad market. In other words, things can change.

I agree with someone previously (sorry, long thread) that Android phones pose a greater threat to ATT's network. Or to be more specific, Adobe Flash which will be on the Android sets. We all know Apple products will not support it. As I've read, 70% of internet video is delivered using Flash, so I can see it increasing traffic to all the carriers. Will it be significant? I don't know, but just an observation.

Regarding ATT coverage and reliability... We have to understand there are MANY markets out there with their own technical challenges. Not all carriers place the same emphasis in all the same markets. That's why Verizon doesn't drop calls in North Phoenix while ATT does. I say ATT sucks in my neck of the woods based on my experiences. I'm sure they're good in other places. And that's why I feel this whole side discussion is a meaningless pissing match. Respectfully... :-)

jetblast_7

I'm not going to defend any one in this, but i will say that there are tests out there that are saying (some would say proving) that the reason the iPhone drops calls is because of low quality equipment in the iPhone, not because of ATT. Here is the thing in the same place one 3G phone can have full service and the iPhone will have either no service or low service. I have had two iphone models and now the nexus one. It isn't all ATT causing the problem. You can thank Apple for being a large player in the dropped calls market. I know some folks who have gotten iPhones and they have nothing but trouble out of them constant dropped calls and lack of service and other who never have a problem. After comparing all things together i would say that the real culprit is the iPhone. This isn't a slam but it is the truth. So i don't see the iPad causing a problem.

Wide_opeN

Honestly, I'm not worried about the iPad on AT&T.

I'm enjoying EXCELLENT coverage on my N1 on THE best network (AT&T) in America!!!

It's going to be real intersting to see the N1 sales numbers for end of 1st quarter and 2nd quarter with the AT&T version coming on board.