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Did Sprint fix problems with the original Nexus S
Like the poor camera, lack of microSD card slot and lack of 720p. They fixed the lack of 4G, obviously. A notification light, and a dedicated camera button as well would compel to upgrade from my EPIC.
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No notification light (at least not stock... see THIS), MicroSD card or dedicated camera button to my knowledge.
Camera is likely firmware related so I can't comment.
I think I saw something on XDA mentioning 720+ video recording but threads just blend together at that point. Don't quote me for sure on that.
I played with the original Nexus S at Best Buy, and I was shocked to discover that it didn't have 720p video recording nor a microSD card slot. Those are my two biggest gripes about the Nexus S. Android is about freedom, and that includes not being limited in your storage space and swapping SD cards with different stuff stored on them. The lack of HSPA+ doesn't matter since Sprint corrected that problem on their version with Sprint's WiMax.
The notification light and dedicated camera button are the least important factors on my list of gripes with this phone, but they're still negatives to me nonetheless. I'm just shocked at Google limiting what is supposed to be the flagship Android phone.
16gb of internal storage is more than i (as well as 90% of consumers) will ever need. Also, recording in 720p will obviously make the file very large meaning you wont be able to send in an email or message and would have to sync to your computer anyways...
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16gb of internal storage is more than i (as well as 90% of consumers) will ever need. Also, recording in 720p will obviously make the file very large meaning you wont be able to send in an email or message and would have to sync to your computer anyways...
Seriously...those are things A LOT of people look for in a phone. It's 2011, and IMO a micro SD card slot should be present on a flagship phone, as well as the ability to record in 720p, especially when we have phones coming to market that record in 1080p. Indeed your entitled to your opinion, however like I said a lot of users (including myself) look for those things in a device.
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I don't see the NS4G as a Flagship phone. It's just another 4g phone.
The EVO 3D will be the Flagship phone for the next year. I got the EVO because I'm skipping v2 of the EVO and wanted something slimmer with 4g.
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I don't see the NS4G as a Flagship phone. It's just another 4g phone.
The EVO 3D will be the Flagship phone for the next year. I got the EVO because I'm skipping v2 of the EVO and wanted something slimmer with 4g.
The Nexus series are Google's flagship Android phones.
Seriously...those are things A LOT of people look for in a phone. It's 2011, and IMO a micro SD card slot should be present on a flagship phone, as well as the ability to record in 720p, especially when we have phones coming to market that record in 1080p. Indeed your entitled to your opinion, however like I said a lot of users (including myself) look for those things in a device.
In case you havent noticed, mobile devices are moving towards cloud storage. Expect to see less and less onboard storage. What are you going to do with a 1080 video? it will be far too big to send. If you are going to load it on to your computer or TV, why not just use a real video camera instead of a PHONE? People who expect their PHONES to do everything but cook them dinner are just plain ridiculous IMO.
People who expect their PHONES to do everything but cook them dinner are just plain ridiculous IMO.
Please attack issues and not people.
Takes all kinds to make up the world, one man's meat is another's poison.
As the digital content delivery moves forward, with HDMI, MHL and DLNA output, it's easy to see how many people on a budget could use their Android device as a media fusion center and then stream content to their TVs.
Takes all kinds to make up the world, one man's meat is another's poison.
As the digital content delivery moves forward, with HDMI, MHL and DLNA output, it's easy to see how many people on a budget could use their Android device as a media fusion center and then stream content to their TVs.
Why not?
Android is about choice.
Why is someone who owns a Thunderbolt coming into the Nexus S 4G forum to stir stuff up? Might want to keep an eye on that.
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You guys really need to watch people more closely. This guy owns a THUNDERBOLT! Whats he doing trolling in the NEXUS S 4G forum? There is zero excuse for that.
He has as much right to ask questions and questions as anybody - just like you did in the Evo forum when posting about the Nexus.
It's not trolling, there was no ranting, it was expressing an opinion.
You know - people often do that because they're often free to change their minds - along with their carriers and phones - and rather prefer to engage with current device owners.
And as I've said before - you have a complaint that someone is trolling, you !Report it next to the post in question - you don't attack that person in public, because you might be wrong.
The posts here will stand as they are.
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Why is someone who owns a Thunderbolt coming into the Nexus S 4G forum to stir stuff up? Might want to keep an eye on that.
Lmaooo...Seriously? Stir things up? I won't even go there with you, as EarlyMon has already answered that question for you.
However, there are plenty of us on the Forums that follow a larger scale of the mobile/tech world besides just one particular phone. Just because I own a Thunderbolt doesn't mean I don't follow the rest of what's going on in the tech world. Ease up on attacking members like EarlyMon said, its not cool at all man. For the most part a lot of us are cool with eachother in here...
Just ordered my Nexus and can't wait to get it. I only had a 16GB card on my EVO, so storage is not an issue. The only thing I am going to miss is the notification light. I have to keep turning my phone on just to see if I have a missed call, email, or text.I'm running Cyanogen and I don't think it recorded at 720P anyway so I wont miss that either. Can't believe it doesn't have one.
As has been mentioned, there are kernels with BLN (backlight notification) and possibly a market app that also does it. You can get notification lights on your Nexus S!
I just put my order in through Studentrate. I had to call Sprint twice to get them to give me the upgrade early, since I'm a silver premiere member. The first time I called was in March, and I was told I could upgrade in June (at the time I wasn't sure if I wanted the Nexus S or the EVO 3D). Called again today and asked really nicely if they could bump my date so I could order the Nexus S now. The guy was super helpful but finally told me I had to wait till June 1st. I thanked him for this time and hung up, then about 40 minutes later got a text saying my full upgrade was currently available.
Now, I won't have another full upgrade for two years, but I knew that going in. I know a lot of people complain about Sprint customer service, but I've dealt with all the mobile companies and so far Sprint has been the most helpful.
Yeah I know its been mentioned but I thought it was an app that makes a pixel blink, and thats not the same thing or something I want. I also had a good experience with sprint. They removed my yearly upgrade in april so I called them and asked them to add it back and they did, no issues, no problems, and ordered my phone all in one call.
Well, the Nexus S has no LED light for notifications, so you have to use BLN to get a notification light. Personally, I prefer BLN because in theory you could have it blink in different spots and in different colors for different notifications. On my EVO, I could have my LED flash green or yellow. And considering I used regular text messaging, Google Voice text messaging, GMail, and apps with notifications, two colors didn't cut it.
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on my EVO, i record with h.264 instead of the 720p anyways. seems smoother and not that much different quality wise. my understanding is the nexus s has h.264, so that should be good enough i hope.
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on my EVO, i record with h.264 instead of the 720p anyways. seems smoother and not that much different quality wise. my understanding is the nexus s has h.264, so that should be good enough i hope.
Well, the Nexus S has no LED light for notifications, so you have to use BLN to get a notification light. Personally, I prefer BLN because in theory you could have it blink in different spots and in different colors for different notifications. On my EVO, I could have my LED flash green or yellow. And considering I used regular text messaging, Google Voice text messaging, GMail, and apps with notifications, two colors didn't cut it.
Decided to try noLED and glad I did. It's sweet. It has different icon for different notifications that float around your blank screen, then you can set it to vibrate or make a sound every so often. Very good app. Glad you kind of talked me into it.
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Got mine today. I didn't expect it to be so light and thin. It's very responsive, and was so easy to root! I've rooted/jailbroke six phones since the first gen iPhone, and I never waited long enough for one click roots, so all of them were done manually. This one was such a breeze! Fantastic.
I've got netarchy's kernel installed, and NoLED since I couldn't figure out how to get the BLN working through the kernel. This phone takes forever to charge, I've noticed. I've already ordered the 1750 mAh battery from Seidio, so that should be here in a few days.
Unfortunately, these are the two big issues with this phone (camera quality and lack of MicroSD slot). I can live without the MicroSD slot, but I really, really wish the camera performed better. To those saying 720p is an excessive or unreasonable request, keep it real! 720P recording is becoming a standard feature in most all high (and even mid) tier phones, regardless of operating system.
Further confirmation of the NS4G's camera quality issues:
Unfortunately, these are the two big issues with this phone (camera quality and lack of MicroSD slot). I can live without the MicroSD slot, but I really, really wish the camera performed better. To those saying 720p is an excessive or unreasonable request, keep it real! 720P recording is becoming a standard feature in most all high (and even mid) tier phones, regardless of operating system.
Further confirmation of the NS4G's camera quality issues:
720P would be nice provided the quality was there. Resolution alone is only part of the story, just like megapixals for still photos.
Thus far, all cell cameras are crap in my opinion. They work great for taking photos of yourself in the bathroom for facebook, but beyond that, not one is fit to replace my personal camera for capturing the moments I want captured.
Not to start a flame war (really) - I think am going to be purchasing a NS4G tonight - but the iPhone 4 has a stellar camera (for a phone), it takes beautiful photos and video.
It's definitely possible for Sammy to put a much higher quality camera in the phone. I suppose it was a cost-cutting measure. Shame.
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Not to start a flame war (really) - I think am going to be purchasing a NS4G tonight - but the iPhone 4 has a stellar camera (for a phone), it takes beautiful photos and video.
It's definitely possible for Sammy to put a much higher quality camera in the phone. I suppose it was a cost-cutting measure. Shame.
The Samsung EPIC 4G's camera is the same quality as the iPhone 4's.
720P would be nice provided the quality was there. Resolution alone is only part of the story, just like megapixals for still photos.
Thus far, all cell cameras are crap in my opinion. They work great for taking photos of yourself in the bathroom for facebook, but beyond that, not one is fit to replace my personal camera for capturing the moments I want captured.
720P would be nice provided the quality was there. Resolution alone is only part of the story, just like megapixals for still photos.
Thus far, all cell cameras are crap in my opinion. They work great for taking photos of yourself in the bathroom for facebook, but beyond that, not one is fit to replace my personal camera for capturing the moments I want captured.
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Not to start a flame war (really) - I think am going to be purchasing a NS4G tonight - but the iPhone 4 has a stellar camera (for a phone), it takes beautiful photos and video.
It's definitely possible for Sammy to put a much higher quality camera in the phone. I suppose it was a cost-cutting measure. Shame.
The thing I learned as the number one rule in amateur photography as a kid was - have a camera with you.
So, whenever possible carry the best you can. If that isn't convenient, carry something anyway, and rely on skill while accepting the constraints - much better than no camera at all.
Based on that philosophy, I am personally all for anyone that wants the best they can get out of their cell phone camera.
And only the photographer themselves should judge what that word best means.
I've told the story here often - when a kid, my buddy (we shared a darkroom) called me to the camera shop whre he had an after-school job. Pro photographer was retiring, trading in all kinds of cool kit.
Then he bought a Kodak Instamatic - to always have a camera. We were trying to suppress our laughter - maybe he was just an old hack, the stuff he had was cool, but we'd never heard of such a thing.
He looked at us and said, tell you what - pointed to the local annual contest poster and said, literally twinkling - let's do it.
I took second place with a great shot from a twin lens Rollei.
He totally blew me away for first with a shot from an Instamatic.
My buddy and I to this day wonder how that shot would have been if he was using his Hasselblad.
So - get the best camera you can find in a cell phone if that's part of your camera-carrying strategy. If that's an iPhone, that's your business. If that's a Sammy or whatever, that's cool, too.
And demand better from these companies - they can do it. There are ways.
And we deserve it.
Imagine if we stopped have scratched lenses and cheap lenses as the limiting factor if they were to offer a bayonet mounted removable lens - or even a snap-in of sensor and lens - all plug and play. End the discussion of who has the best lens and sensor - make it an accessory - get as good or as cheap as you want.
I'd carry two - ultra cheap, always in place, just for something - and one with a motorized optical zoom and quality equal to a decent point-and-shoot for when I knew I wanted to take pictures.
Not sure if this is true or not, but the point is why doesn't the Nexus S have a better camera?!
Why don't all cell phones have better cameras? Cost, size, lens quality, digital processing etc etc etc.
I'm not an "amateur photographer", and have no aspirations of being a photographer period, however, when I take a pic, I want the quality to be good, and not measured in degrees of bad like each and every cell phone on the market.
At the same time, most of the pics and vids I take are meant for sending to other people with phones, not filming Schindlers List 2. The more pixels you add the more impossible that becomes. When I want to send a 10 second vid of my kids in the tub to my mom across the country, it doesn't need to be a 100mb HD file that won't send or take forever to send.
Same for pics. 5 megapixal pics are enough of a pain in the ass to send. 8 is even more demanding.
Maybe in another 5 years the lenses and digital processing in mobile phones will be high enough to replace entry level real cameras. For now, it just isn't there. The first step in the right direction would be for Samsung or whomever to stop pretending they can make a decent lens in-house, and to outsource to a proper camera lens maker, and back it up with digital image processing from someone like Sony or Philips.
Most digital cameras are crap, so cell phones have no prayer at this stage.
He has as much right to ask questions and questions as anybody - just like you did in the Evo forum when posting about the Nexus.
It's not trolling, there was no ranting, it was expressing an opinion.
You know - people often do that because they're often free to change their minds - along with their carriers and phones - and rather prefer to engage with current device owners.
And as I've said before - you have a complaint that someone is trolling, you !Report it next to the post in question - you don't attack that person in public, because you might be wrong.
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Why don't all cell phones have better cameras? Cost, size, lens quality, digital processing etc etc etc.
I'm not an "amateur photographer", and have no aspirations of being a photographer period, however, when I take a pic, I want the quality to be good, and not measured in degrees of bad like each and every cell phone on the market.
At the same time, most of the pics and vids I take are meant for sending to other people with phones, not filming Schindlers List 2. The more pixels you add the more impossible that becomes. When I want to send a 10 second vid of my kids in the tub to my mom across the country, it doesn't need to be a 100mb HD file that won't send or take forever to send.
Same for pics. 5 megapixal pics are enough of a pain in the ass to send. 8 is even more demanding.
Maybe in another 5 years the lenses and digital processing in mobile phones will be high enough to replace entry level real cameras. For now, it just isn't there. The first step in the right direction would be for Samsung or whomever to stop pretending they can make a decent lens in-house, and to outsource to a proper camera lens maker, and back it up with digital image processing from someone like Sony or Philips.
Most digital cameras are crap, so cell phones have no prayer at this stage.
We have different needs. I rarely send MMS messages anymore. What I usually do with my photos and videos is upload them to YouTube and social networking sites. Since I have Sprint 4G in my area, uploading 5 megapixel photos doesn't take very long at all. Uploading 720p video is a different story, since the upload speed is 1 Mbps. I'm well aware of the fact that cell phone cameras are not as good as dedicated equipment; but buying separate equipment is both expensive and inconvenient to carry around everywhere. My EPIC has one the best cameras around by cell phone standards.
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I picked up a NS4G tonight. I'm super happy with the phone, camera aside. It's a crying shame the phone doesn't have a better camera (sensor/lens/etc) - it's fantastic in most every other way.
I stopped by a bestbuy today to check it out!! I have to say...
The screen is just.... 'AWWW!!! EUUGHHH!!! WHAT IS THIS CRAP!!?!'
--I was totally taken aback by how OFF the screen's hue is! It's like... been BATHED in green or something. There was some guy who literally just opened it (bought one) and the screen was the same way.
Well to heck with that!! If I want a green-screen for editing, I'll spend $100 on some paper and plaster it on a wall!! (Everything looked off and piss-poor even compared to the limited-color Evo screen. What a shame...)
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Reason: no f-word bombs, thanks.
All of us carrying superphone-class Androids are ready to rock with media - and the makers push it.
They've yet to give us phones with even the most basic adjustments for color or contrast.
And because we all perceive good color the same way and bad color differently, some find the SAMOLED atrocious and some find the LCDs atrocious.
Truth is, if you've held these phones up to a properly adjusted or calibrated HDTV (I have done this often), playing same content at the same time, you'll find that none of the phones out there really get color right.
So - you pick the among the least of the imperfections on color per your eyes and develop your personal favorites.
So - while this comes across as a Nexus issue (or substitute name there - I've seen this kinda complaint all over these forums, regardless of phone model) - it really is an Android issue in general.
In fact - it's a smartphone issue in general.
Would you buy a color TV without adjustments? Of course not.
Screen hate is probably 99.9999% no-adjustments-available hate.
These are my opinions, but in this case, I'm kinda convinced I'm right.
In any case, no reason to argue this issue - it's not a Nexus issue.
I'm leaving foodman's and my post up as on-topic tho, because - why not clarify this confusion for others?
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That's the one thing I miss about cm7. There where some preset screen hue options. I imagine one of those would at least help with the particular issue mentioned
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Another user turned me on to a color adjustment tool, but it was strictly for the Galaxy S, and Korean-language. Clever dev over there in Korea, tweaking his favorite phone and getting it right.
I hunt diligently for something like that VERY often. If I find one for the Nexus S, I'll be sure to post it in this forum.
Totally agree about color calibration. I had my NS4G for about a week and love the screen. I also have IPS LCDs at home and calibrate them using hardware devices. I hate it when i go to stores and look at the Plasmas and LCD TVs that are set in torch mode.
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With tip of the topper to our own NeoteriX, I really like using Big Bunny to do screen compares, especially to my HDTV. Right setup, you can get this on TV and phone, sync playback, put phone between you and TV, try to keep apparent screen sizes same by choosing the right distances - leaving the color image as the primary difference.
Apologies to anyone considering this off-topic, but respectfully, the endless SAMOLED/LCD debate needs this info to finally die gracefully - in my opinion.
Post or PM me if anyone feels this is hijacking - not my intention.
Take Google's second specially made Android Phone (Nexus S) and add a 4G radio on Sprint and what do you have? The Nexus S 4G. The phone officially launched on May 9th, 2011 and gives Sprint customers a great opportunity to enjoy the full Andro... Read More
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