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Old December 17th, 2010, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Unhappy No LED Indicators AT ALL

Wow, I just picked up my brand spanking new Nexus S and it seems I'm heavily dependent on the voice alerts to be alerted about anything.

It has no whatsoever LED indicators for charging, notifications or anything else.

Basically if I put my phone on silent and turn Vibrate off, there is no way in knowing I have something waiting on my phone until & unless I check it. Basically the push notifications become useless.

I am just amazed of how Google & Samsung could miss such a huge feature. Okay I understand the trackball was useless and not needed (even though now I'm noticing how helpful it was in editing text) but c'mon they could have included a SMALL LED just to let know if the phone was on charge or made that same LED for multiple purposes so it would blink if I had any notification on my phone.

I'm on a 30 day period right now and I might be returning this. I am still giving it time so maybe I get used to it because Im sure all the Google Executives using this phone need PUSH notification too and if they hadnt noticed it, maybe ill stop noticing it too now.

Not sure, but it wouldnt have hurt having this feature. Such a small feature which is even included in dumbphones. Just bummed out a little.

3G seems to work very fast though, not sure how. It zooms compared to the Nexus One.

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Old December 17th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree the lack of led is a really big issue
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Have you tried NoLed in the market????
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I thnk noLED is actually cooler...
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This is something that is pretty prevalent in the "S" line, Vibrants don't have one either. In fact, if I'm not mistaken no "S" does except the Fascinate. One poster over on the Vibrant forums speculates it is the carriers doing more than Samsung's. You kind of get used to it, and if I really need to, I just turn down the ringer volume but keep notification volume up (get Quick Settings to easily modify this setting).
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fascinate doesn't either...I think the Epic does.
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maybe that's the one, I thought at least one "S" had it.
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Im not going to deny it.. I do miss it, but the noled app helps a lil bit
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How do you know when the phone is done charging if there is no LED indicator?
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The N1 didn't have a led indicator it had a strobe light. I will miss it, but its a small issue.
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How do you know when the phone is done charging if there is no LED indicator?
Exactly. You can't lol. That's what's been bugging me.
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Old December 18th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
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When I get mine, I'm going to work on an app to flash the capacitive buttons as a notification light.
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Since the Nexus was meant for developers to develop apps for Android, it's not going to be easy to develop a notification app without one isn't it?
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How do you know when the phone is done charging if there is no LED indicator?
If the phone is powered down just touch the volume button, if it is on just look at the meter LOl.
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The no LED complaint to me, IN MY OPINION is a bit silly. Your Nexus S will vibrate and have a notification sound as well as these 2 things happening for reminders. As one poster mentioned there are even apps on the market to remedy this.

With Handscent (Which I use on all of my Android phones) You can set the screen to turn on with an incoming message or reminder.
Seriously I do not miss the LED at all, it is nice to have but not a necessity. Besides now there is one less thing to malfunction.
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How do you know when the phone is done charging if there is no LED indicator?
My Girlfriend's Vibrant makes an annoying beep and the screen lights up. It's a nice touch, considering most people charge their phones at night while sleeping. I'm not sure what I'd do if my phone didn't rudely wake me up to let me know it was done charging...

Oh, and if you use it at all while it's plugged in after it has charged completely, it thinks the battery has drained slightly and charges it back up, causing the annoying notification to sound.
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Have you tried NoLed in the market????
Thanks. Although it is not as cool as my LED was on my N1 it has has been a big help.
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My Girlfriend's Vibrant makes an annoying beep and the screen lights up. It's a nice touch, considering most people charge their phones at night while sleeping. I'm not sure what I'd do if my phone didn't rudely wake me up to let me know it was done charging...

Oh, and if you use it at all while it's plugged in after it has charged completely, it thinks the battery has drained slightly and charges it back up, causing the annoying notification to sound.
I see, I'll have to pay attention, I think I was sleeping when that happened and didn't hear it. The trackball notification was nice but not necessary as I've noticed the sound notifications are more than adequate. I think when you have the phone plugged in and you push the power button, it shows you the % it is charged.
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How do you know when the phone is done charging if there is no LED indicator?
You check to see if your phone displays 100%.
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Um...I just tried out NoLED. Does anyone else have the issue of the screen turning off a second after NoLED shows the notification? I've gone through the settings and don't see a way to prolong this. The Timeout is already set to never in the app, so I'm assuming this is an Android OS issue.

EDIT: Okay, oddly if I turned the Blink function off, it doesn't turn the screen off after a second.
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The no LED complaint to me, IN MY OPINION is a bit silly. Your Nexus S will vibrate and have a notification sound as well as these 2 things happening for reminders. As one poster mentioned there are even apps on the market to remedy this.

With Handscent (Which I use on all of my Android phones) You can set the screen to turn on with an incoming message or reminder.
Seriously I do not miss the LED at all, it is nice to have but not a necessity. Besides now there is one less thing to malfunction.
I rely on LED, when you're in a noisy area and can't hear the chime and don't always feel the vibration then you could just look at the device to see if the light is flashing or such, that's what I do without having to turn the display on I can tell if I have a message waiting.
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I actually generally hit the power button to turn the screen on with my N1 anyway regardless of what the trackball does.

I don't think this will be an issue for me when the NS arrives.
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what i really miss is using the led button for the camera!
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what i really miss is using the led button for the camera!
Yeah no dedicated camera button is an annoyance but a minor one specially when taking self portraits.

I typically just press the virtual button and turn the phone around and let it go once I'm ready for the shot.

Didnt even know I could have used the trackball on my N1 as a camera key. Oh well...
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what i really miss is using the led button for the camera!
I didnt know you could do that. Oh well, it is a minor annoyance too. Not as big as not having any LED indicators.

I just think the Nexus S is too similar to the iPhones. Which isnt exactly the best thing.

Very slick phone though but should have kept some Android originalities I believe like the original G1 and then the N1
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You check to see if your phone displays 100%.
Thats the whole point.. not to have to check the phone display. A quick look at the LED should be enough if its still charging or fully charged like on the N1 (Orange and Green LED lights on the top)
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I rely on LED, when you're in a noisy area and can't hear the chime and don't always feel the vibration then you could just look at the device to see if the light is flashing or such, that's what I do without having to turn the display on I can tell if I have a message waiting.
I really don't get this. You are saying that you don't feel the vibration, but yet you do 'feel' the notification-LED? You look, apparently at random, at your phone to see if the notification-LED is on, and then come to the conclusion that you have to do that one tiny handling more, or not if you see that you don't have a new message. That's, sorry to say, stupid.

It does make sense if you have your phone lying on a table, but that way you can't feel the vibration anyway.

I think a notification-LED is for lazy people (that's my opinion). If you have time to turn your head and focus your eyes on the LED to see if you have a new message (you have to do even more proceedings to actually read the message, my GOD!), you should have time to press the power button, see if you have a new message and read it (something you have to do anyway).

Of course the notification-LED is useful at some points, for example you know what KIND of message you have, and even from who, so you know if you should check or not. But I will not miss the notification-LED on the Nexus S at all. I just don't care.
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Been using this phone for a week. The lack of an LED indicator is not a deal breaker IMO. like any new phone, you adjust to it. The screen on this phone turns on and off almost instantaneously anyway
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I really don't get this. You are saying that you don't feel the vibration, but yet you do 'feel' the notification-LED? You look, apparently at random, at your phone to see if the notification-LED is on, and then come to the conclusion that you have to do that one tiny handling more, or not if you see that you don't have a new message. That's, sorry to say, stupid.
^ wow @ this response... facepalm.

I'm not going to explain myself.
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^ wow @ this response... facepalm.

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I rely on LED, when you're in a noisy area and can't hear the chime and don't always feel the vibration then you could just look at the device to see if the light is flashing or such, that's what I do without having to turn the display on I can tell if I have a message waiting.
Assuming that you have it in your pocket (otherwise you can not 'can't feel the vibration'), you can't see the LED. So you have to get it out of your pocket. Which I said. Sorry if I'm to stupid to get this, but maybe it's because of my english.

Anyway, that's what I made of it.
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anyone using SMSpopup with the no led app and having issues?
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I really don't get this. You are saying that you don't feel the vibration, but yet you do 'feel' the notification-LED? You look, apparently at random, at your phone to see if the notification-LED is on, and then come to the conclusion that you have to do that one tiny handling more, or not if you see that you don't have a new message. That's, sorry to say, stupid.

It does make sense if you have your phone lying on a table, but that way you can't feel the vibration anyway.

I think a notification-LED is for lazy people (that's my opinion). If you have time to turn your head and focus your eyes on the LED to see if you have a new message (you have to do even more proceedings to actually read the message, my GOD!), you should have time to press the power button, see if you have a new message and read it (something you have to do anyway).

Of course the notification-LED is useful at some points, for example you know what KIND of message you have, and even from who, so you know if you should check or not. But I will not miss the notification-LED on the Nexus S at all. I just don't care.
I don't see how LED is for lazy people, it's just more convenient. I don't carry my phone with me at all times when i'm at home. My last phone had a LED and when i would walk by it i would notice a blinking light notifying me of something. I don't want to have to check my phone constantly just to see if i have a message or missed call. When i'm driving i would have my phone out of my pocket in my cup holder and somewhere that i can't feel the vibration or when my car radio is turned up i can't hear the ring tone but if i see a blinking light coming from my phone i know someone is trying to contact me, with my nexus S i have to keep unlocking it just to see if someone is trying to reach me or not which is pretty annoying. I didn't want to get the nexus S. I had a Epic 4G and had no reception in my house so i had to cancel the service leaving me without a phone for a month and it was kinda of annoying since people were complaining about having trouble reaching me so i decided to get the Nexus S, I will say this if you don't need a phone at this moment don't get the Nexus S!! dual cores are coming out in 2-3 months, i should've waited but it was hell not having a phone.
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I don't see how LED is for lazy people, it's just more convenient. I don't carry my phone with me at all times when i'm at home. My last phone had a LED and when i would walk by it i would notice a blinking light notifying me of something. I don't want to have to check my phone constantly just to see if i have a message or missed call. When i'm driving i would have my phone out of my pocket in my cup holder and somewhere that i can't feel the vibration or when my car radio is turned up i can't hear the ring tone but if i see a blinking light coming from my phone i know someone is trying to contact me, with my nexus S i have to keep unlocking it just to see if someone is trying to reach me or not which is pretty annoying. I didn't want to get the nexus S. I had a Epic 4G and had no reception in my house so i had to cancel the service leaving me without a phone for a month and it was kinda of annoying since people were complaining about having trouble reaching me so i decided to get the Nexus S, I will say this if you don't need a phone at this moment don't get the Nexus S!! dual cores are coming out in 2-3 months, i should've waited but it was hell not having a phone.
I realise now that a LED is useful when you have your phone lying somewhere, but in most cases, although you can't feel the vibration, you can however hear the ringtone. It has never been a problem on my normal candybar phone. If I would get a message, I would 'hear' the vibration when it was on silence, or just hear the ringtone. Besides, unless I'm at home, I have my phone always in my pocket, where I can feel the vibration. And at home (or in someone else's home) it's quiet, so I can hear the vibration or ringtone.

But I do get your point, and I now understand the buzz around the LED. I still think however that it isn't THAT big of a deal, that you should not buy the Nexus S because of the lack of it.

About the dual-core thingie, I think dual-core is cool when it comes to battery improvements and better multi-tasking, but if you phone is fast, it's fast, right? The Nexus S is super fast (you can deny that, but it's true), and faster than that, Android doesn't need at the moment (that's my opinion at least). Sure, you would be able to play a lot more games then, but that's the problem: games. Computers only became faster because of games. As I earlier said: you don't need a quad-core to surf on the internet or send an email. Games are fun on Android, but games like Angry Birds are OK. I don't want to play Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto on my smartphone. First, it sucks on a small touchscreen, and second, I have a Xbox 360 at home.

For me, the Nexus S is fast enough, untill they release an app/new version of android that's super cool, and that definitely needs dual-core. 'Till then I can just charge my phone everyday (because of the battery).

Offtopic: you now what WOULD be cool for gaming on Android? Being able to play ALL the games on the internet. When that's possible, I really don't need game-apps anymore (except for fun ones like Angry Birds).

Edit: Happy Wheels, THAT would be cool on my Nexus S. But if my computer can't handle it already.... maybe I need dual-core after all!
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When you work in a noisy environment or are in a busy place like the shopping mall, office building, airport or subway you'd want a notification LED. That's one thing RIM has going good for their Blackberries. On my Desire I have a blue LED for SMS or Yahoo msg and amber LED for missed phone calls, etc. :P

I carry my phone in a holster, I don't always feel the vibration.
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For two years i have been able to walk into my office, my house, wherever and glance from 20 feet away to see if i have missed anything on my phone (email, text, call, calendar event). If i see a little red light then i know that i need to get to the phone and check out what i missed. If no little red light, then i can go on with whatever other tasks i may have-and like all of us (including the designers of phones, executives of manufacturing, test market people, etc), there are many things i have going on in my life that DO NOT including playing with my phone all day long!
Now i have this phone that i talk to and it will turn into a GPS instantly and take me to Kalamazoo if ask it to. It will tell me if there is a good sushi restaurant in Kalamazoo when i get there and it will tell me what exactly the weather is in the most remote area of India. It is AMAZING! But it can't tell me if i have a text when i am sitting next to it! As so many before me have asked, "How did Samsung miss this? How did the designers, execs and the test market all miss this? If we all miss it with in hours of falling in love with our new devices, how didn't they? I would really like Samsung or Android to chime in on this for all of us!!

PS-what (on the Fascinate) are the two or three little circles to the left of the ear piece (on my phone anyway)? They are under the glass, very faint-they look like sensors or something. I was hoping they were led lights.
Meanwhile, my daughter's HTC (which was $100 less than my phone!) has a little tiny pin head sized green light on the right side of the word 'verizon' which blinks when there is a text or whatever! Seriously???
And as for the LAZY comments above: the problem is that i am NOT lazy. "We" that miss the LED, are so busy being human, working, playing, etc that we don't have the desire or time to HAVE to interact with our phones to know if we need to attend to something on the phone!!!!!!
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And as for the LAZY comments above: the problem is that i am NOT lazy. "We" that miss the LED, are so busy being human, working, playing, etc that we don't have the desire or time to HAVE to interact with our phones to know if we need to attend to something on the phone!!!!!!
Well, lazy was maybe a bit rude, sorry for that. It's just, I don't know, I just can't understand it. I don't understand that there are people who don't want to buy a beautiful phone, just because of the lack of a LED. I mean, come on! Of course a LED makes your life easier, but I don't get how you can depend on a LED. How was your life when you didn't have LED and before you even heard of a LED? Did it suck? I don't think so. I think the LED does make your life easier (thus the 'lazy' comment), but I also think you can perfectly live without it.
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a little off topic but for those with the noled app when the app is showing your notification does your nexus s capacitive buttons stay lit? im trying to conserve battery as much as possible since the app has to have my screen on for it to work? thanks
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no it doesn't stay lit. but it seems it doesn't go into full sleep mode as in pressing the power button.
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The noLed app is OK but I find it's more if a hinderance than useful. The whole power button to disable scenario is a pain.
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I think noLED is cooler.

Literally just installed it though, can anyone comment on the long term effects on battery life and do the func keys stay illuminated constantly?
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I think noLED is cooler.

Literally just installed it though, can anyone comment on the long term effects on battery life and do the func keys stay illuminated constantly?
Yeah mine does that 2 the lights stay let and that ain't no good for the battery life. I think its because he hasn't updated for the 2.3 phones I don't know though.
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If the SAMOLED screen is anything like the AMOLED on the N1, then I would be concerned about screen burn with an app like Noled.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 04:46 PM   #44 (permalink)
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If the SAMOLED screen is anything like the AMOLED on the N1, then I would be concerned about screen burn with an app like Noled.
Well its only one pixel and I have mine jumping around the screen so I don't think burn in would be an issue
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Well its only one pixel and I have mine jumping around the screen so I don't think burn in would be an issue
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And yes, all four of the capacitive buttons do light up once you get a noticification for an email, text, missed call or voicemessage.

There are parameter settings for the blinking rate, time out (mine is set to 5 mins) and eventually should turn off/go to sleep mode.

I'm going to play around with it further more.
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So ok, I ran a quick little test on the NoLED.
Set my notification to the min of 5 mins (for it to stay on the screen).
It did stay in that duration, then wakes up the phone for a second, then it goes to "Full Sleep" mode right after.
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So ok, I ran a quick little test on the NoLED.
Set my notification to the min of 5 mins (for it to stay on the screen).
It did stay in that duration, then wakes up the phone for a second, then it goes to "Full Sleep" mode right after.
Assuming you set the notifications to remain on until the user woke the phone the capacitive buttons would still stay illuminated indefinitely?
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Assuming you set the notifications to remain on until the user woke the phone the capacitive buttons would still stay illuminated indefinitely?
Correct I have mine set for 3 hours and the capacitive lights are on the whole time
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Correct I have mine set for 3 hours and the capacitive lights are on the whole time
Thanks. That's a bummer, hopefully the dev will update. Apart from that I think it works pretty well, lots of settings/customisation for a free app too.
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Thanks. That's a bummer, hopefully the dev will update. Apart from that I think it works pretty well, lots of settings/customisation for a free app too.
any update on this? I just got my NS and I don't want my capacitive buttons staying lit the entire time
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