And apparently you have not spent much time in Mexico nor been to a Mexican celebration!
Uh... I was at Columbus day! Close enough
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Flags and banners are all over the place! The Mexican people, as an example, are VERY NATIONALISTIC! Before elections in Mexico, you see banners running across boulevards and giant images of the candidates displayed on the sides of buildings. So based on your assessment Mexicans most must be racists!
Ah god I certainly dont think nationalists in general are racists, just unfettered nationalism is dangerous.
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Good thing you live over on the other side of the pond EN... cause those words would get you in serious trouble with many proud Mexican people. They will be the first to tell you that they are not, by any means, racist. They are, on the other hand, proud of their heritage... and their nation!
Ah to be fair, I have Norn Iron on one side and the English on the other.
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Oh, and according to the Internet (which we know MUST be right), only caucasian people can be racist!
A lot of East Asians clearly did not get that memo
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Anyway, I found the constant American flag barrage a bit nauseating. I can easily see tourists not realising that America has states.
Americans don't think of themselves as residents of XYZ state so much. Sure we tend to bash people from the state next door at times and we sometimes mock residents of particular states, but in general we think of ourselves as residents of the US first and residents of XYZ state way, way, way down near the bottom. It would be extremely unusual for one to fly a state flag just by itself, but not unusual at all to fly a US flag solo.
Americans don't think of themselves as residents of XYZ state so much. Sure we tend to bash people from the state next door at times and we sometimes mock residents of particular states, but in general we think of ourselves as residents of the US first and residents of XYZ state way, way, way down near the bottom. It would be extremely unusual for one to fly a state flag just by itself, but not unusual at all to fly a US flag solo.
Hopefully you are excluding Texas from that statement.
just watched all of those and I gotta say thank you for my laugh of the day hahaha
Heres a laugh# this one said he would get rid of E D U C A T I O N if he was elected president.......(THERE I S A GOD! ....this one got knocked out early in the game!
Slick-Trick-Dick-Rick Perry!
WHEW! the L O R D heard my PRAYERS "YAW"!
I think politics is just another way to cause division, separation, even breakup families over the notion that what "the people" vote these (cough....) "humble public servants" into office for, that they will honor their pledges. I aint pckin on sides here but ROMNEY is NOT humble and is NOT for the common citizen good...i would say that about him if he was a dem, conserv, tea-p or a scallion ,,,,that man is not the right one!
There I go, justmade some divisions....see what I mean?
I think politics is just another way to cause division, separation, even breakup families over the notion that what "the people" vote these (cough....) "humble public servants" into office for, that they will honor their pledges. I aint pckin on sides here but ROMNEY is NOT humble and is NOT for the common citizen good...i would say that about him if he was a dem, conserv, tea-p or a scallion ,,,,that man is not the right one!
There I go, justmade some divisions....see what I mean?
Politics is not about division, it's about governing.
Politics is not about division, it's about governing.
.....and division. Show me one day when repubs and dems were chums and agreed on everything..... Takenit to the community level. Locally there are repubs here who would be your best friend, then when they find that you are a dem, you're on a hate list literally.
And I KNOW it aint just in my neck of the woods. The whole system need to get washed out and start over with "we the people" governing an fb not these GLORIFIED "public servants" who have lost the reality or never had a common bond with everyday citizens
.....and division. Show me one day when repubs and dems were chums and agreed on everything..... Takenit to the community level. Locally there are repubs here who would be your best friend, then when they find that you are a dem, you're on a hate list literally.
And I KNOW it aint just in my neck of the woods. The whole system need to get washed out and start over with "we the people" governing an fb not these GLORIFIED "public servants" who have lost the reality or never had a common bond with everyday citizens
Sure, politics causes division, but that's not its purpose.
Democrats and Republicans agree on lots of things; spending lots of money on the military, avoiding a welfare state, keeping healthcare private, the invasion of Iraq, intervensionism, socialism is bad, etc.
Now, the two party system has created far more divide than there is elsewhere in the world, but yeah.
Sure, politics causes division, but that's not its purpose.
Democrats and Republicans agree on lots of things; spending lots of money on the military, avoiding a welfare state, keeping healthcare private, the invasion of Iraq, intervensionism, socialism is bad, etc.
Now, the two party system has created far more divide than there is elsewhere in the world, but yeah.
Oh, Ninja, I totally agree with you! Believe me, if only they would stick to the purpose and theyd get much much more done instead of being bullheaded just because they dont want to support the administration (when what they really are rebelling is they dont like a certain president) the bickering and arguing thst goes on up till the midnight hour is wasted time rebelling instead of what is their purpose, to work for the people.
That , for the majority of their services, they do not. Very disgusted in not just the current but all prior admins.. Its all a big mess that needs a total overhaul.
Hi Ninja, sorry if I came off argumentative... I should be ok moving forward with good discussions....i guess I had to get some things off the ole chesr.... I do like your discussion here...
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Democrats and Republicans agree on lots of things; spending lots of money on the military, avoiding a welfare state, keeping healthcare private, the invasion of Iraq, intervensionism, socialism is bad, etc.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree on this. The parties don't agree on these things. Dems want to cut military spending, GOP doesn't. Dems favor a welfare state, GOP does not. GOP wants healthcare to be private, Dems do not. GOP tends to favor the Iraq war, Dems don't (though they voted for it at the time but now were apparently against it all along). They do agree that interventionism is good, at least in general. Dems seem to think there are good things about socialism, while GOP does not.
I do agree that politics is not about causing division. It is about power though at the end of the day.
Democrats
Protects US from foreign attacks (Cuba missile crisis)
Able to win wars (WWII)
People are social animals and fair play strengths society
Oppose military/industrial complex
Support providing for the general welfare (education, infrastructure, environment, etc)
Oppose invading countries that do not threaten US interests
Fix financial collapses caused by Republicans (1929, 2008)
Supports female choice in reproductive health
Advocates government is of and for the people
Supports the science of evolution
Supports separation of church and state
Supports restrictions on buying public elections
Supports progressive taxation
Supports worker rights
Supports progress
Supports individual freedom and responsibility within the context of a just society
Republicans
Unable to defend deadliest attack by foreign nationals, after being warned (World Trade Center)
Unable to win wars (Vietnam, Korea)
Believes some people are more equal than others and those less equal are meant to be exploited
Support military/industrial complex
Support providing for corporate welfare (monopolies, tax cheating, lax corporate criminal enforcement, etc.)
Support lying as a propaganda tool to invade countries that are not a threat to US interest
Cause financial collapses (1929, 2008)
Supports government control of female reproductive health
Advocates government is of and for plutocracy
Supports the superstition of creationism
Supports theocracy
Believes public elections should go to the highest bidder
Opposes taxing their patrons
Supports serfdom
Supports stagnation
Supports feudalism and the doctrine of Master and Servant
I am going to have to respectfully disagree on this. The parties don't agree on these things. Dems want to cut military spending, GOP doesn't. Dems favor a welfare state, GOP does not. GOP wants healthcare to be private, Dems do not. GOP tends to favor the Iraq war, Dems don't (though they voted for it at the time but now were apparently against it all along). They do agree that interventionism is good, at least in general. Dems seem to think there are good things about socialism, while GOP does not.
I do agree that politics is not about causing division. It is about power though at the end of the day.
Democrats are not really trying to cut military spending, the Republicans want to spend more than the military even wants.
Just because the Democrats are in favor of a safety net for the poor does not mean they want America toto be a welfare state. That is a ridiculous statement.
At this point, any sensible person of any party should be able to agree that the Iraq war was a colossal waste of life and treasure, and since Cowboy Bush didn't bother to fund it, one of the main reasons for our massive national debt.
Won't waste my time with the Socialism comment.
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Depends how you look at it. One could argue that the Democratic position on issues like gay marriage and abortion are actually more conservative since they keep the government out of peoples business on both counts.
But I do agree the Republicans are more conservative in general, just extremely hypocritical.
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Democrats are not really trying to cut military spending, the Republicans want to spend more than the military even wants.
Just because the Democrats are in favor of a safety net for the poor does not mean they want America toto be a welfare state. That is a ridiculous statement.
At this point, any sensible person of any party should be able to agree that the Iraq war was a colossal waste of life and treasure, and since Cowboy Bush didn't bother to fund it, one of the main reasons for our massive national debt.
Won't waste my time with the Socialism comment.
Well, any time you talk about an entire party you've got to use broad strokes by necessity. I think the Dems would be more likely to support a true welfare state than the GOP would. You're right about Iraq, but it is interesting that the same people who voted for it are now running around acting like they were opposed to it the entire time. The Iraq ware isn't one of the main reasons for the national debt though. I don't think that's a fair statement. It hasn't helped things, but the national debt was massive and growing before 9/11 happened. Both parties do seem to agree that we need to spend more and more money we don't have.
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Depends how you look at it. One could argue that the Democratic position on issues like gay marriage and abortion are actually more conservative since they keep the government out of peoples business on both counts.
But I do agree the Republicans are more conservative in general, just extremely hypocritical.
Both of those stances are considered socially liberal though. The hypocrisy by both sides is appalling. I swear there is no one in politics who is real. At least not on the national level.
I am curious though about one thing. For those of you who identify with one party or the other are there things about the other party you like?
Democrats
Protects US from foreign attacks (Cuba missile crisis)
Able to win wars (WWII)
People are social animals and fair play strengths society
Oppose military/industrial complex
Support providing for the general welfare (education, infrastructure, environment, etc)
Oppose invading countries that do not threaten US interests
Fix financial collapses caused by Republicans (1929, 2008)
Supports female choice in reproductive health
Advocates government is of and for the people
Supports the science of evolution
Supports separation of church and state
Supports restrictions on buying public elections
Supports progressive taxation
Supports worker rights
Supports progress
Supports individual freedom and responsibility within the context of a just society
Republicans
Unable to defend deadliest attack by foreign nationals, after being warned (World Trade Center)
Unable to win wars (Vietnam, Korea)
Believes some people are more equal than others and those less equal are meant to be exploited
Support military/industrial complex
Support providing for corporate welfare (monopolies, tax cheating, lax corporate criminal enforcement, etc.)
Support lying as a propaganda tool to invade countries that are not a threat to US interest
Cause financial collapses (1929, 2008)
Supports government control of female reproductive health
Advocates government is of and for plutocracy
Supports the superstition of creationism
Supports theocracy
Believes public elections should go to the highest bidder
Opposes taxing their patrons
Supports serfdom
Supports stagnation
Supports feudalism and the doctrine of Master and Servant
Well, any time you talk about an entire party you've got to use broad strokes by necessity. I think the Dems would be more likely to support a true welfare state than the GOP would.
So? That doesn't make them something.
Let's say, we have party A and party B.
Party A is a new party based on Islamaphobia and anti-immigration and anti-federalist sentiment.
Party B is an establishment party, supported by landowners, large business, etc.
Now Party A might get more upset over people not having adequate access to social housing and healthcare (because imgrints!!), but that does not make them socialist, or pro-welfare-state
"Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) tore into scientists as tools of the devil in a speech at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet last month.
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell,” Broun said. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
According to Broun, the scientific plot was primarily concerned with hiding the true age of the Earth. Broun serves on the House Science Committee, which came under scrutiny recently after another one of its Republican members, Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), suggested that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses against pregnancy. "
"Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) tore into scientists as tools of the devil in a speech at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet last month.
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell,” Broun said. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
According to Broun, the scientific plot was primarily concerned with hiding the true age of the Earth. Broun serves on the House Science Committee, which came under scrutiny recently after another one of its Republican members, Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), suggested that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses against pregnancy. "
All these Republicans seem to have so many interesting theories! They should really enter the world of science and work with other trendsetters.
With Al Gore's comments on why Obama seemed distracted during the first debate proves we (The United States) dodged a bullet when he lost his bid for president. You could fill this thread with the gaffs from our current VP.
This thread could go both ways. Just sayin' .
Q. What do you get when you put a Democratic politician and a Republican politician in a barrel and roll it down a hill?
With Al Gore's comments on why Obama seemed distracted during the first debate proves we (The United States) dodged a bullet when he lost his bid for president.
I'm pretty sure Al Gore's loss to Bush equated to a few dozen rounds of machine gun fire to the world's metaphorical chest.
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I'm pretty sure Al Gore's loss to Bush equated to a few dozen rounds of machine gun fire to the world's metaphorical chest.
You thought Gore's comment that Obama lost the debate because of the altitude made sense?
And there's a Republican in Maine attacking his opponent because she (gasp) plays Warcraft. The horrors!! Think of the children!! Who will think of the children!!
You thought Gore's comment that Obama lost the debate because of the altitude made sense?
No I don't, but the man making silly partisan comments hardly makes him a worse President than Bush.
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And there's a Republican in Maine attacking his opponent because she (gasp) plays Warcraft. The horrors!! Think of the children!! Who will think of the children!!
And there's a Republican in Maine attacking his opponent because she (gasp) plays Warcraft. The horrors!! Think of the children!! Who will think of the children!!
well the beauty of this country is we all get to have our own opinion and vote for who we like
in the grand scheme of things does it really matter?
we have a story about a republican criticizing someone because she not only plays warcraft..... but she participates in rather raunchy discussions online among other things and this is frowned upon as non news by the democrats...... yet we had the exact same situation when the democrats criticized a woman republican because she participated in witchcraft
during both stories the one side condemned the other for making it an issue
then we have a story about a democrat having gay sex in a public restroom.... the story is condemned by democrats because this shouldnt be an issue....... yet not long ago the exact same thing happened with a republican 'toe tapping' in a public restroom and the democrats were all over it........ same situation..... one is news the other isnt?
then we have someone criticizing republican figures as drug addicts or alchoholics ...... while Obama freely bragged about his addiction to marijuana and cocaine
one is news the other isnt?
hypocrisy comes from both directions.... and idiots participate on both sides
the only real morons are those who cannot discern that and drink the koolaid...... spout off the talking points and relinquish any real ability to think for themselves
if you dont have the ability to look beyond a partisan talking point or headline then you have no business pretending to be able to vote for either direction
given that..... as I said the beauty of this country is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and even stupid people get to vote
personally I would be in favor of some election law changes:
establish a truely bipartisan commision each election.... have them come to an agreement on the true facts about each candidate..... then create a 50 question test and attach it to each ballot....... if you cant pass the test your ballot is thown in the trash... youre too stupid to vote
but what about the stupid people wha wha...... dont they need representation too blah blah
yes the smart ones will represent them..... stupid people voting got us to where we are today
You thought Gore's comment that Obama lost the debate because of the altitude made sense?
And there's a Republican in Maine attacking his opponent because she (gasp) plays Warcraft. The horrors!! Think of the children!! Who will think of the children!!
From the link: "Santiaga commented that she “may have to go and hunt down Grover Norquist and drown him in my bath tub.”
Here in Utah, we are building one huge fracking data center, where storage is measured in exa bytes or more. The goal is to monitor and record almost everything. If you say what she apprently said about a president, you might have a visitor.
I would think that in this day and age, where even innocent comments are blown out of proportion, people would learn to keep their fat mouth shut. Lest an off the cuff remark comes back to bite you.
And in this day and age, where loggers, bloggers, sloggers and YouTube can help or damage a person, remaining silent should be lesson number one.
I would not hire anyone who is not smart enough to curtail the comments like she (apparently) said. I have worked for organizations that will not tolerate such things. Even saying in jest that you want to drown someone in your bath tub is reason enough to get fired or ignored if you are a job candidate.
Odd that some people do not learn how today works.
If her problems are about her love of WOW, I think it is a non-issue, at least as far as I am concerned. That said, many people might view her differently for her comment(s) rather than her WOW addiction.
AND . . .
A few old farts might think gamers are not to be trusted or they are lay abouts not worth hiring.
Comparing Warcraft to witchcraft? Um, ok. But feel free to start a thread about Dumb Democrats instead of whining here. Its titled Dumb Republicans, did anyone expect to find an unbiased discussion going on? Lol
Comparing Warcraft to witchcraft? Um, ok. But feel free to start a thread about Dumb Democrats instead of whining here. Its titled Dumb Republicans, did anyone expect to find an unbiased discussion going on? Lol
did you see me whining about something? if you did then maybe you just started the dumb democrat section
I was pointing out the hypocrisy on BOTH sides...... something you should familiarize yourself with...... koolaid rots your teeth.... stop drinking it
I know realizing the truth can hurt ones feelings....... have a pity party
and no not comparing warcraft to witchcraft.... theres no comparison
one is a game where she lives out her fantasies of being a demon and then she goes on blogs threatening peoples lives....... the other is a religion...... we shouldnt compare the 2...... unless you are implying we should restrict religious beliefs now... it was simply pointing out how both sides find mundane things to criticize the other for
The reason I posted that story was more of an indictment of all politicians on both sides of the fence. Many get elected and go into office with the best of intentions, but that gets corrected by the establishment. The good ol' boys get them in line and make sure they don't make any waves.
I personally am a fence sitter. I try to vote for who I feel will get the job done. I gave the Recovery Act the eye test and noticed that the big signs put up stating that this project was funded by Obama's Recovery Act, it always seemed to be on high traffic roads that really did not need to be repaired while several roads that were less traveled and really needed to get fixed remained untouched.
Now we are getting into political ad season and those have more twists and turns than an episode of House and are as valid as a Glenn Beck rant.
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I think the world would be better off if there were more fence sitters. At least politicians would then be forced to appeal to rational people instead of the nutjobs in both parties. There are too many people who are blinded by rhetoric and haven't just drank the Koolaid, they've dove in head first and are swimming in it. If the question is, "Should we support Proposition X?", then the first thing they do is find out what their party's official position is on the subject. Nothing else matters. If they find out that Joe Smith is running for Congress the first thing they want to know is what party he belongs to. If he is part of Party A then he is evil. Now comes the hard part. We have to find out WHY he is evil. We already know that he is since he's part of Party A. We just have to figure out exactly why he's evil.
I think the world would be better off if there were more fence sitters. At least politicians would then be forced to appeal to rational people instead of the nutjobs in both parties.
I have always maintained that the last thing politicians want are educated voters. Forget the blind love and hate for Romney and Obama and consider what would happen if voters actually paid attention, read their history, followed each speech, read the founding documents, ignored the web, paid attention to what the politico said he/she would do and what he/she actually did.
They decide that because this person lied about A, B, and C . . I will not vote for him. They forget party lines, race and flash and they actually did their research, fact checking and knew the bottom line, no spin, no BS, unvarnished truth.
They forget about the spin and the web and bloggers and BS and they actually looked at the facts and what really happened. If Obama says he is the best person to create jobs, rather than just agree, they look at the actual record.
Then they voted based upon the God's honest truth, not some well-spun BS version served up by a liberal press.
This would be the last thing politicians want because they would learn rather quickly that people are no longer sheep or fools or gullible morons; they pay attention to the facts and if I do not do what I said I would do, I am outta here, No Soup for Me!.
What a grand day that would be. When that actually happens, I will move to Narnia, about the only place it will happen.
I have always maintained that the last thing politicians want are educated voters. Forget the blind love and hate for Romney and Obama and consider what would happen if voters actually paid attention, read their history, followed each speech, read the founding documents, ignored the web, paid attention to what the politico said he/she would do and what he/she actually did.
They decide that because this person lied about A, B, and C . . I will not vote for him. They forget party lines, race and flash and they actually did their research, fact checking and knew the bottom line, no spin, no BS, unvarnished truth.
They forget about the spin and the web and bloggers and BS and they actually looked at the facts and what really happened. If Obama says he is the best person to create jobs, rather than just agree, they look at the actual record.
Then they voted based upon the God's honest truth, not some well-spun BS version served up by a liberal press.
This would be the last thing politicians want because they would learn rather quickly that people are no longer sheep or fools or gullible morons; they pay attention to the facts and if I do not do what I said I would do, I am outta here, No Soup for Me!.
What a grand day that would be. When that actually happens, I will move to Narnia, about the only place it will happen.
thats racist and a clear disenfranchisement of the poor
not everyone can afford to pay attention
(and thats sarcasm for the mod who never quite grasps that)
They decide that because this person lied about A, B, and C . . I will not vote for him. They forget party lines, race and flash and they actually did their research, fact checking and knew the bottom line, no spin, no BS, unvarnished truth.
I agree, but who do you trust for information? The candidates are vague in their ads and news outlets almost always have an agenda. Fox News and MSNBC place their own spin on stories and sadly many cannot or don't want to see it.
I am voting for a city councilmen who I went to school with, had coffee and cocktails with. I know him and his agenda, and this is rare for a voter. His party affiliation doesn't matter to me.
I agree, but who do you trust for information? The candidates are vague in their ads and news outlets almost always have an agenda. Fox News and MSNBC place their own spin on stories and sadly many cannot or don't want to see it.
I am voting for a city councilmen who I went to school with, had coffee and cocktails with. I know him and his agenda, and this is rare for a voter. His party affiliation doesn't matter to me.
Take who pays what in taxes for example. I know for a fact that the bottom 50% of the people in this country pay no federal income taxes. This is a fact and the facts come from the IRS. So you look at the actual data rather than listen to the talking heads, spinners and so forth.
When you listen to the left side, the rich need to be taxed more. BS, the rich are hard to define and they create the jobs. The left never says half this country pays zero federal taxes.
Look at what they promised in their campaigns and what they actually did while in office.
Read the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights and learn what our leaders can do and cannot do. Look at what they try to do. Look at their voting records. Look at the people they hire. My God, look at who Obama surrounds himself with. Some scary people to be sure.
As for the man you know. OK, perhaps he is a good man. What are his qualifications? Do not be fooled by the man you had drinks with. I have knows a few local politicos and they are always campaigning. Even over drinks.
Not saying the man you are voting for is a bum, but learn that in politics, people can be much different in private than when they start making decisions that affect you.
It is very hard, I know, but these days, we simply cannot afford to hire bad people.
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I think one of the great things about the Internet is you can vet anything if you spend the time. The problem is most people either don't/won't spend the time or they see the same thing copy/pasted on twelve different sites so they consider it to be fact.
Kool-ade comes in more than one flavor. But anyway, one has to wonder about the people who are still saying they are undecided at this point. I say if you haven't been paying enough attention to know who you like by now, stay home.
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Kool-ade comes in more than one flavor. But anyway, one has to wonder about the people who are still saying they are undecided at this point. I say if you haven't been paying enough attention to know who you like by now, stay home.
I've paid enough attention to know that I don't like either one. Yet people keep telling me I have to pick one of the two.
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