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Old September 26th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I’m going to vote Republican in every available box and there is nothing and nobody that can change my mind.

I expect Democrats feel exactly the opposite and I see no point in trying to convince them they’re wrong – I can’t argue with a sick mind.

I just hope that this time, Republicans that didn’t bother last time will get off their sofas and vote this time, because there are more of them – they’re just quieter.
There are more Democrats according to statistics.

Anyway, don't see how one could vote Romney considering his positions on climate change, his foreign policy, his history, etc, but whatever.

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Baby Bush=A total economy mess
Everybody seems to forget that the economy was one of the strongest we've ever had under Bush until the big crash and the main culprits for this were Barney Frank(D) and Chris Dodd(D) as well as the newly elected Democratic Congress who repeatedly ignored Bush's requests especially the ones about bringing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under control.

The Democrats are real quick to play the blame game because they just want to cover their butts instead of being responsible for the mess they created and working to fix it.

The Republicans aren't totally without blame, but the major player in the economic collapse was the Democrats policies and actions.
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Anyway, don't see how one could vote Romney considering his positions on climate change, his foreign policy, his history, etc, but whatever.
Anyway, don't see how one could vote Obama considering his positions on climate change, his foreign policy, his history, etc, but whatever.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Anyway, don't see how one could vote Obama considering his positions on climate change, his foreign policy, his history, etc, but whatever.
Well, Obama's action on climate change has been terribly limited, I agree, but Romney claims to not believe in the science, and even if he did, I believe he would do absolutely nothing, and not only fail to drastically decrease US greenhouse gas emissions, but actually cause them to increase, putting the world in even greater danger.

I have pointed out Obama's foreign policy failings, but on the whole his foreign policy has been a remarkable success considering the circumstances.
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Indeed. The ball's in their court now. Let's hope they can do more than just hurl rhetoric until 2012.
That's all they have done.
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This election is a lot closer than last time and your help is needed, so...

Don’t forget to vote November Seventh!!!
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Wrong date printed in Spanish on voter documents

In an area that shows upcoming election dates, the Spanish translation incorrectly indicated a general-election date of Nov. 8 instead of Nov. 6.
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NY Observer Switches Sides: Backs Romney

With 19 days to go before voters pick the next president, Mitt Romney has picked an early newspaper endorsement from the New York Observer.

The weekly paper ”which in 2008 backed Barack Obama against John McCain” made no bones about why it has changed parties, calling the Republican nominee not a demagogue but a manager, a candidate whose experience is rooted in the pragmatism of the business world rather than the ideology of partisan politics.
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blindly encouraging others to vote without guiding or explaining about who/what to vote for , or, at least, stating outright what they believe is one of the stupidest things people can do in any form of democracy. ... And..the premise that one doesn't have the right to complain if one doesn't vote is ridiculous. the lesser of two evils is a horrid way to vote or live your life. I'll never vote or publicly support someone I don't agree with.
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then you will never vote or publicly support anyone

youll never find a person who is in 100% agreement with you on everything

and any thing less than 100% is simply the lesser of 2 evils
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then you will never vote or publicly support anyone

youll never find a person who is in 100% agreement with you on everything
Both of your premises are incorrect. I assume you're a democrat..or equally likely, a republican. and, anyway, voting (the act itself) isn't the end-all-be-all of human activity that you've been lead to believe.
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then you will never vote or publicly support anyone

youll never find a person who is in 100% agreement with you on everything

and any thing less than 100% is simply the lesser of 2 evils
If you vote for the lesser of two evils you will always, by definition, get evil. So you are telling people to vote for evil and then you're going to complain because you got evil? Logically that makes no sense. There is almost always a 3rd party candidate somewhere that you can agree with or at least live with. No, there's no one out there who agrees with me 100%. I don't agree with me 100% all the time. But I'd rather vote for a 3rd party candidate who I agree with philosophically even if our view differ on the actual day to day stuff than a major party candidate if both of them are dead wrong philosophically.

There are things that Obama and Romney agree on. They both agree that more government is the answer. They both agree that more spending is the way to go. They differ on how to expand government and they differ on what to spend the money on and how to get that money. I have huge philosophical differences with both of them. Yet you would encourage me to vote for someone who I disagree with both philosophically and on the details?
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With only two candidates remaining as electable, voting for the lesser of two evils is still necessary, even if it is only to cast a vote against the greater evil. And to not vote is the equivalent of voting for the other side. Always imperfect, voting is what has kept America alive longer than any other free country thus far.
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With only two candidates remaining as electable, voting for the lesser of two evils is still necessary, even if it is only to cast a vote against the greater evil. And to not vote is the equivalent of voting for the other side. Always imperfect, voting is what has kept America alive longer than any other free country thus far.
I'm not sure that you can have it both ways. You can't complain about the quality of the two major party candidates and then argue that people should not vote for a third party. That logic ensures that only those two parties stay in power and doesn't encourage either party to actually provide a decent candidate.
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With only two candidates remaining as electable, voting for the lesser of two evils is still necessary, even if it is only to cast a vote against the greater evil. And to not vote is the equivalent of voting for the other side. Always imperfect, voting is what has kept America alive longer than any other free country thus far.
Actually any of these candidates are still eligible and can be elected should they get the necessary votes.

2012 Presidential Candidates (P2012)

You are not limited to the choice of Democrat or Republican however unless enough people get behind one of the other party's candidate they will just end up siphoning votes off and affecting the outcome by reducing the potential for one of the main candidates to win.

I might actually vote for Gary Johnson if he had a chance of actually winning, while not the perfect candidate either I could live with him much better than the other two choices we face!
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Actually any of these candidates are still eligible and can be elected should they get the necessary votes.

2012 Presidential Candidates (P2012)

You are not limited to the choice of Democrat or Republican however unless enough people get behind one of the other party's candidate they will just end up siphoning votes off and affecting the outcome by reducing the potential for one of the main candidates to win.

I might actually vote for Gary Johnson if he had a chance of actually winning, while not the perfect candidate either I could live with him much better than the other two choices we face!
Honest question. How does someone like Gary Johnson get your vote? You mention you like him better than the other choices on the ballot. What would he (or any other 3rd party) have to do to get you to vote for him?
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His stance on the 2nd amendment & the Fair Tax Proposal are the two biggest for me, plus I tend towards Libertarian anyway. Our government should be the absolute minimum necessary to do it's job and should never even consider anything that infringes on our civil liberties much less constitutional rights.
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Whether you or anyone thinks I can or I can’t, that’s exactly what I’m doing, exactly what most are doing, in fact. That’s the one thing almost every voter on either side has in common – neither thinks their candidate is the perfect choice to represent themselves.

To either not vote or to vote for a third-party candidate at this point is not only pointless, it’s pretty much the same as voting for the other candidate, the one you certainly don’t want elected.

The candidate(s) you and I really wanted had their chance and lost it last spring. So even if you’re not in lockstep agreement with the one you feel is the lesser of two evils, you still have to vote for him just to vote against the other side.

I’m sure George Bush Sr, Ross Perot or Bill Clinton can explain all this more eloquently...
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His stance on the 2nd amendment & the Fair Tax Proposal are the two biggest for me, plus I tend towards Libertarian anyway. Our government should be the absolute minimum necessary to do it's job and should never even consider anything that infringes on our civil liberties much less constitutional rights.
Right, but what would he have to do to actually get you to pull the lever for him? Him or any other third party candidate for that matter. What does a third party candidate have to do to get you to vote for him/her?
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Whether you or anyone thinks I can or I can’t, that’s exactly what I’m doing, exactly what most are doing, in fact. That’s the one thing almost every voter on either side has in common – neither thinks their candidate is the perfect choice to represent themselves.

To either not vote or to vote for a third-party candidate at this point is not only pointless, it’s pretty much the same as voting for the other candidate, the one you certainly don’t want elected.

The candidate(s) you and I really wanted had their chance and lost it last spring. So even if you’re not in lockstep agreement with the one you feel is the lesser of two evils, you still have to vote for him just to vote against the other side.

I’m sure George Bush Sr, Ross Perot or Bill Clinton can explain all this more eloquently...
I disagree with that completely. Let's lay aside the philosophical argument that you're voting for evil or that you're selling out or whatever. Let's look at this just from a practical standpoint.

Let's say a third party forms tomorrow and their platform is that they support tables and chairs made out of wood. No metal furniture 'cuz that's bad. This is their sole platform. But it resonates with the American people. They get behind this 100% Metal furniture sucks. They suck up 20% of the vote for instance. This is enough to cause Party A to lose the election because their fringe who strongly believes that metal furniture is evil jumps ship. What will happen next year? One of two things really. Either the chair party is now so popular that they build on their momentum and become the other half of the two party system or Party A puts a huge emphasis on wood furniture in their next campaign and essentially co-opts the most popular platform pieces of the 3rd party. In either case the wood chair part of the populace has their view represented and maybe even adopted at the national level.

Now substitute chair for taxes, foreign policy, or any other political issue that's important to you. If the two parties don't represent your views on those issues how are they going to change if you continue to vote for them and not the candidates who do represent your views?
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You’re just animating the story of 1992 with furniture; where ‘they’ is Ross Perot, ‘Party A’ is George Bush Sr and ‘Party B’ is Bill Clinton.

I have nothing against third-party inclinations, as long as they realize – before it’s too late – that eventually, they’ll just be in the way. A good example of assimilating the closest existing party, thereby strengthening it rather than weakening, is the Tea Party, which just seems to have disappeared.
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Right, but what would he have to do to actually get you to pull the lever for him? Him or any other third party candidate for that matter. What does a third party candidate have to do to get you to vote for him/her?
Sadly, have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. Other than that, the same reasons you would vote for any candidate.

If the American sheeple could get together enough to send a clear message by voting a third party candidate into office, or even close enough to make the powers that be wake up and realize what is going on things would likely improve, at least for the immediate future. Unfortunately the people are too brainwashed to actually believe they could make such a difference so most of them vote "the lesser of two evils" instead of the other option(s) or even worse don't vote at all. It is sad that the only logical choice is to vote in this manner...
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You’re just animating the story of 1992 with furniture; where ‘they’ is Ross Perot, ‘Party A’ is George Bush Sr and ‘Party B’ is Bill Clinton.

I have nothing against third-party inclinations, as long as they realize – before it’s too late – that eventually, they’ll just be in the way. A good example of assimilating the closest existing party, thereby strengthening it rather than weakening, is the Tea Party, which just seems to have disappeared.
Well the tea party simply latched on to the mainstream GOP like some sort of virus. It would be better for all if they just made their own party.
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the tea party simply latched on to the mainstream GOP like some sort of virus. It would be better for all if they just made their own party.
I agree with the first part, disagree with the second. They realized the futility in trying to make a third party create strength that matched the existing two and decided it was more practical to assimilate with the party that most closely resembled their visions.
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They realized the futility in trying to make a third party create strength that matched the existing two and decided it was more practical to assimilate with the party that most closely resembled their visions.
I guess this again proves my point of the issues with a first past the post system where parties don't need to maintain any sort of strict policy platform.

Personally I find it shocking how successful they were at their semi-takeover of the Republican Party.
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You’re just animating the story of 1992 with furniture; where ‘they’ is Ross Perot, ‘Party A’ is George Bush Sr and ‘Party B’ is Bill Clinton.

I have nothing against third-party inclinations, as long as they realize – before it’s too late – that eventually, they’ll just be in the way. A good example of assimilating the closest existing party, thereby strengthening it rather than weakening, is the Tea Party, which just seems to have disappeared.
I don't think the Tea Party really strengthened the Republicans at all. Did their agenda get pushed? No. Not really. Any momentum they had got co-opted and sucked up. The total impact of their movement was electing a handful (literally less than 10) people to Congress. That's it. Trying to work within the party doesn't work. Ron Paul proved that this year as well.

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Sadly, have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. Other than that, the same reasons you would vote for any candidate.
How are they going to have a snowballs chance if no one votes for them? Again, I go back to my previous argument that you can't say the two major parties suck and refuse to vote for an alternative at the same time.
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How are they going to have a snowballs chance if no one votes for them? Again, I go back to my previous argument that you can't say the two major parties suck and refuse to vote for an alternative at the same time.
A fact I am not arguing, just pointing out the reality. I ask people why not vote for candidate "X" and the answer is invariably "they have no chance of winning so I am not going to throw my vote away". Add to this many of the people I talk to have no idea who Gary Johnson is it is disheartening so few actually pay attention to what is going on.

I may not like either party but I damn sure don't want Obama back in office so I am stuck playing the safe bet and putting my vote where it will count.
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A fact I am not arguing, just pointing out the reality. I ask people why not vote for candidate "X" and the answer is invariably "they have no chance of winning so I am not going to throw my vote away". Add to this many of the people I talk to have no idea who Gary Johnson is it is disheartening so few actually pay attention to what is going on.

I may not like either party but I damn sure don't want Obama back in office so I am stuck playing the safe bet and putting my vote where it will count.
I agree that a lot of people have no idea who Johnson is. I place a lot of that blame on his campaign honestly. Either he's not getting his message out or his message isn't resonating. That fact that so many people have no clue who he is would seem to indicate the former.

Personally, I would argue that if you vote for a candidate you don't like then that is throwing away your vote regardless of whether that candidate has a chance to win or not. Additionally, if you are going to use that logic, then you could argue that no one should've voted for McCain last time around. It was fairly obvious that Obama was going to win. So if McCain isn't going to win should anyone vote for him? If the polls today showed that Obama had a 60/40 advantage over Romney would you say that a vote for Romney was throwing away your vote given that he had no chance of winning?
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I agree that a lot of people have no idea who Johnson is. I place a lot of that blame on his campaign honestly. Either he's not getting his message out or his message isn't resonating. That fact that so many people have no clue who he is would seem to indicate the former.
Johnson hasn't had very much luck raising funds, his site shows only having raised $500,000.00 of the $1M needed for TV ads. This can be attributed to a number of factors including those you mentioned.

Sadly it takes money to win an election these days. I personally feel equal time should be donated by the networks for all candidates as a public service.

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Personally, I would argue that if you vote for a candidate you don't like then that is throwing away your vote regardless of whether that candidate has a chance to win or not. Additionally, if you are going to use that logic, then you could argue that no one should've voted for McCain last time around. It was fairly obvious that Obama was going to win. So if McCain isn't going to win should anyone vote for him? If the polls today showed that Obama had a 60/40 advantage over Romney would you say that a vote for Romney was throwing away your vote given that he had no chance of winning?
So by your logic giving the person you don't want in office because he has the better chance of winning, this is in total opposition to the whole voting process. The idea is not to vote for who you think is going to win but who you want to win but I will add the argument that voting for a third party candidate who really has no chance of winning is not only wasting a vote, it is giving the vote to the candidate you don't want in office. As seen with Perot it was not Clinton supporters who voted for him, Bush lost those votes. It is always going to swing to one side in this situation, whichever candidate has policies that most closely resemble those of the third party is the one who will lose the votes.

I understand the point you are trying to make but in our current system it does not work because the American people are total sheep. If we had even 70% voter turnout and people voted their hearts and minds then things would be different but a very large portion vote what they are told to by the media or don't vote at all.

To clarify my position one of the biggest issues is Constitutional rights, specifically the 2nd Amendment. Obama is trying to fill the Supreme Court with anti-gun justices who believe the 2nd Amendment does not apply to individuals. I know the anti-gun crowd agree with this but if this comes to pass then which of our rights will be next? Free Speech would be my guess. Once the precedent is set that rights granted by the constitution can be revoked by the Supreme Court instead of having to be amended and ratified by Congress and the Senate then we are heading down a truly dark path that only a successful revolution will be able to end. To this end I can not do anything that would give my vote to Obama.
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Any basis for this claim ?
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Sotomayor and Kagan are both confirmed and actively anti-gun, one of whom made the statement (can't remember which at the moment) publicly that the 2nd amendment does not apply to individuals and Obama just announced he wants to re-instate the assault weapons ban.

Obama has hidden his anti-gun agenda quite well and has actually enacted programs to affect his end, most notably The Fast and Furious scandal which he claimed executive privilege on to conceal evidence.

Also as a result of this program the Obama administration ordered an illegal arms reporting (thinly veiled registration scheme) program in the border states where any purchase of more than one "long gun" (not "assault weapon") must be reported to the ATF at the time of purchase. It is not at all uncommon for the average law abiding citizen to purchase more than one rifle or shotgun at a time, but those individuals are now entered into a federal "watch list" database.

As the Obama administration is fond to remind us, he killed Bin Laden...by the logic used there he also killed Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata!
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Sadly it takes money to win an election these days. I personally feel equal time should be donated by the networks for all candidates as a public service.
I can't entirely agree with you just because of the practicality of it. There are at least 20-30 candidates who are on the ballot in at least one state. Do you give all of them the same time? Then you're just going to attract nutjobs who just want the air time. There's one ticket out there where neither candidate is actually constitutionally eligible to serve. So the execution of it gets iffy.

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So by your logic giving the person you don't want in office because he has the better chance of winning, this is in total opposition to the whole voting process. The idea is not to vote for who you think is going to win but who you want to win but I will add the argument that voting for a third party candidate who really has no chance of winning is not only wasting a vote, it is giving the vote to the candidate you don't want in office. As seen with Perot it was not Clinton supporters who voted for him, Bush lost those votes. It is always going to swing to one side in this situation, whichever candidate has policies that most closely resemble those of the third party is the one who will lose the votes.
No, I'm saying you vote for the candidate you think should win. Whether that candidate is a 3rd party candidate or not is irrelevant. One thing is certain. You will never, ever, ever, ever, ever see the policies you want implemented if you never ever vote for the candidate(s) who support them.

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So you are going to argue that voters are sheep but you also say that you're going to vote for someone you disagree with. WTF?
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Sotomayor and Kagan are both confirmed and actively anti-gun, one of whom made the statement (can't remember which at the moment) publicly that the 2nd amendment does not apply to individuals and Obama just announced he wants to re-instate the assault weapons ban.

Obama has hidden his anti-gun agenda quite well and has actually enacted programs to affect his end, most notably The Fast and Furious scandal which he claimed executive privilege on to conceal evidence.

Also as a result of this program the Obama administration ordered an illegal arms reporting (thinly veiled registration scheme) program in the border states where any purchase of more than one "long gun" (not "assault weapon") must be reported to the ATF at the time of purchase. It is not at all uncommon for the average law abiding citizen to purchase more than one rifle or shotgun at a time, but those individuals are now entered into a federal "watch list" database.

As the Obama administration is fond to remind us, he killed Bin Laden...by the logic used there he also killed Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jaime Zapata!
Again, any resource to back up your claim, besides faulty memory ? There is this thing called the internet. Goggle is one of those applications on the internet.
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I can't entirely agree with you just because of the practicality of it. There are at least 20-30 candidates who are on the ballot in at least one state. Do you give all of them the same time? Then you're just going to attract nutjobs who just want the air time. There's one ticket out there where neither candidate is actually constitutionally eligible to serve. So the execution of it gets iffy.
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Not exactly, I am voting for the person I most agree with of the choices that are viable.
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I'm not opposed to the theory. It's the application of it that I can't wrap my mind around. If you've got a good application, I'll hear you out.

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Not exactly, I am voting for the person I most agree with of the choices that are viable.
But someone you agree with more might be viable if you voted for him/her. As long as you don't vote for them, they will never be viable.
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I'd love to see a change in the voting process from First Past the Post to the Alternative Vote. Sadly, the UK voted against going to the Alternative Vote. Otherwise, we'd get to see how it works out in practice.





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Alternate Vote isn't a perfect system, but obviously its inherently better than FPTP.

FPTP is usually supported by one or two groups who wish to dominate society and see afraid of people having greater choice (Northern Ireland is a case in point - proportional representation was too fair)
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That's a relief for me, hope those Ohioans' don't crack under the pressure.
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After the past four years, I have a hard time believing there is such thing as an undecided voter. All that’s left is which party can get enough of their voters off the couch within the next two weeks.
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It is true though. Unless you live in a swing state your vote doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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It is true though. Unless you live in a swing state your vote doesn't matter at the end of the day.
Which really highlights the ridiculousness of the archaic confederal nature of the electoral college.
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I know this thread was created in order to encourage people to 'go vote'..but I'd also like to encourage you to go bet: https://sb.ladbrokes.com/Ladbrokes/mobwebapp/entryPoint.html?deepLinkCommandName=mainMenu&local e=en_GB

It makes things much more fun. I despised McCain and Obama last election, but bet $250 on Obama a few days before he actually won the D nomination and parlayed to this 2012 election. I have $500 on him this time around. Betting is much more important than voting.
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Also, if anyone has some good info on who the next arch bishop of Canterbury will be, i'd love to hear it.
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Which really highlights the ridiculousness of the archaic confederal nature of the electoral college.
Yup. There aren't a whole lot of people around who will defend the electoral college. Redoing it would involve re-writing the constitution though and no one has come up with a system that would be significantly better.
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Well since we no longer deliver votes on horseback we could just go with actual votes.
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Did you hear that the constitution can... AND HAS (!) been amended, many times in fact.

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Why the hell is this your answer to everything? Such a backwards mindset.

There are obviously better systems that have been came up with, like the ones used in Brazil or France, christ.
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How does a two-round system work in this country? Either Obama or Romney will get the majority of votes come November. If some 3rd party manages to steal enough so that neither of them gets a majority, then you can be sure that in a second round one or the other will get a majority.
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How does a two-round system work in this country? Either Obama or Romney will get the majority of votes come November. If some 3rd party manages to steal enough so that neither of them gets a majority, then you can be sure that in a second round one or the other will get a majority.
It works as it works anywhere else, 50% or a run off?
So? You are so afraid of fixing things yet never fail to complain about them.
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