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Old November 5th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question America - The Falling Empire

I hope you read every sentence. I did not mean to write so much but I do hope you get the larger intent of my observations.

Whether you are an R or D you fail to remember that you are ALL Citizens first but you are no longer working to build and further the country. You are too busy trying to feel that you won a R or D for a limited time of maybe 2 to 4 years that you fail to realize that you are so far behind and still falling. STOP FIGHTING with each other. STOP falling for the bullshit from the CEO's.

America was SOLD OUT, Pillaged and RAPED by it's own so called citizens that have a badge of CEO. It is WRONG to USE America to make your $$$ but then ship the jobs overseas and the technology. I guess it was okay for them to use America for the freedoms it provides, use it for schools, use it for the safety, but when it came time to payback for the luxuries that America provided due to the efforts put forth by it's Citizens it's all of a sudden too much to ask of those CEO's to payback the country that ALLOWED them in EVERY ASPECT to get rich and live in larger than life mansions without fear. In short they shitted on the people that gave them the opportunity but yet those people can't seem to smell or see the shit on their face.

I am all for people getting rich. I believe that now, Government and Business need to work together for the BEST INTEREST of the COUNTRY. China and India along with the rest of the world is doing this.

The complaint against job growth is "funny". The last 8 years was an economy built on sand or a big shell game therefore the "jobs" it created were not real but part of the game so why do you think that after 8 years and the brink of utter collapse do you think you would recover in 6 months. The jobs were never real therefore how can you just recreate them in 2 years. That is some crazy stuff someone is smoking if they think it will be done. It takes a factory with sophisticated equipment to build a car within a day and hundreds of people yet it takes 1 person 5 seconds to smash that car to pieces, how long do you think it will take you to fix that car back. That is the problem that everyone seems to think you can just hit a switch and fix it now.


America should have OWNED the green revolution but you are too busy fighting each other and getting smoke and mirrors from the CEO's that just want their $$$ at yours and the countries expense.

America should dominate in every kind of green energy equipment BUT NO China and Germany are at the front while America is still in the locker room trying to agree on wearing red shoes or blue shoes for the race...hello, the gun fired, the race started.

It is sad that your own leaders get you to vote AGAINST your own financial interests. EVERY HOUSE in the SOUTH and WEST of the US should have a solar panel as part of the building code BUT NO, Big Oil controls your energy policy.

Do you not see how these business or rather CEO's are not AMERICAN CITIZENS but instead are just greedy and "treasonous" people?

A NEW STANDARD is NEEDED. Measure a CEO by how many people they hired (not fired). Measure by the quality of life they brought to the workers and the community/country. There is something wrong when someone get MILLION$ when they get fired but if you the worker gets fired maybe you get $5.


It has amazed me how Americans overlook some basic and startling facts. Let's rewind for a moment and keep it simple.
Clinton left and there was a surplus but after 8 years of Bush and Republican rules there is Trillion dollar deficits, you borrowed money from China to fight wars...btw, where are the WMD's in Iraq.
The massive deregulation that occurred allowed the banks to control the country. It was a clever scam. The banks made their money on the way up, in the middle, and on the way down, oh and on the way up again. They made profits 3 times because they had George Bush and Hank Paulson along with Dick Cheney backing their shell game.

GET the FACTS straight, it was Henry Paulson that setup that bailout of the banks. What did they care, the party was over as it was Bush's last term.

Please do not get into the pissing match of it was the Democrats in 2006 etc...Just look at who deregulated, borrowed from China, and who backed the banks.


If I gave or sold the Military information to another country even if it were something simple as a "paperclip"...I could be charged for treason yet if a US company takes knowledge and equipment to another country it's called capitalism. The country was sold out by the so called CEO's or "Capitalists".
Where is the outrage over that?
Remember those old sayings, don't forget where you came from, remember your family and friends, loyalty...I guess greed trumps all of that. America gave them the base and opportunity to make the money but they do not see that they owe the country from which they came.

They outsourced your jobs and technology.
Bare with me as I try to explain it as I see it.
America was the leader in every aspect but pretty soon some people were driven by GREED and took or RAPED from the lands that provided them the wealth they found and took it to another country to get even richer.

America had all of the technology and made almost all the good the world wanted/needed. Not anymore. Those so called "great" CEO's took your NATIONS INTELLECTUAL WEALTH and gave it to another country. Those countries now have the ability to MAKE EVERYTHING and do it cheaper (better is subjective).
China now has the fastest computer.
India has all of the steel mills.
China and India are now in space and into making cars.
NASA will be no longer.
They now have the same or better technology.
They do NOT need America. America is only 350 million people in total. China is about 1.4 Billion people and India is 1.1 Billion people.
You see they pretty much have an endless market to supply within.
China does not recognize copyright or any legal trademarks. So you build it and they will copy it and sell it back to you cheaper or sell it back to their own people. Yes, you may say they make junk, right now but remember the same was said about Japanese cars yet within 30 years Toyota and Honda are #1 and #2.

WHAT DOES AMERICA HAVE TO OFFER THE WORLD NOW?
What new technology do you have that ONLY America can provide to the world? I don't see it. The world does not "need" America. Try to answer that question and I think you will realize quite a few things.


btw- Why in the hell would anyone vote for Carly Fiorina?
She is one of the worst CEO's ever and she moved good paying jobs to India and other places just so she could get a fatter salary.
That was amazing to see the lack of shame and the absolute slap in the face and insult especially to the people in California. I know she did not win but wow, it was close enough.

I hope that my observations get you to stop fighting and realize that the R and D's NEED to work together to advance the nation.
You got bigger problems besides Gays in the Military. That issue is a distraction from real issues. It is meant to appease you.

You are a CITIZEN before ANYTHING else. Begin with that thought because that is how America was created and became #1.

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History has taught us 1 thing as well, EVERY EMPIRE has fallen it was just a matter of time. I will say China are some patients mofos

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Health Care - STOP believeing the BULL and buying the SCAM

Government Banking REGULATIONS- Proof that it works

Do you want to educate us on why milk in a bag is superior while your at it?
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Health Care - STOP believeing the BULL and buying the SCAM

Government Banking REGULATIONS- Proof that it works

Do you want to educate us on why milk in a bag is superior while your at it?
I guess FACTS and REALITY are meaningless in your world.
Enjoy your kool aid

Why don't you educate us on what is presented instead of DEFLECTING?
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Life as with politics is about balance,too far right or left gets you nowhere,gridlock.We've heard a lot about ultra conserve's,tea party etc.and those few that got elected on that idea, may very well sound good at the time but who will vote with them when they get to office.They are a very small % in the scheme of Washington.It's like a bald snow tire on an icy road,they make a lot of noise but accomplish nothing.
The people who can actually accomplish the task at hand are those that are willing to work towards whats best for the masses and not just for a few.It always amazes me when people fall for people like Rand Paul who spew utter nonsense and people are naive enough to think he can convince the majority what is best for a few.
Sorry if this prob.should have been in another topic area.
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wow, sounds like another poster that's been pretty controversial on here here lately. hmm?
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Well, maybe we can export the Tea Party movement and bring the rest of the world down to where we are now.

What's wrong with a world run by Tea Party candidates like Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, et cetera?

You don't like the Dark Ages Redux?

Tough.
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the more liberals hate the teapartiers, the more I think the teapartiers may be onto something.
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If you are a student of history you will find that the fall of any great civilization begins with the weakening of the family unit. It's the basic structure upon which a civilization is built.

Yeah, America is screwed.
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the more liberals hate the teapartiers, the more I think the teapartiers may be onto something.
If by Liberals you mean Educated people or people able to have rational thoughts vs. Tea Party which Education is not of importance but more of skin color.

Think about this, America has NOT advanced in the last 8 years essentially. After the IT bubble what do you have to offer the world...oh right pillaging your home values to generate wealth.

China and India have grown leaps and bounds.
Here is some HARD PROOF for you.
1. America owes China TRILLIONS of dollars (charged up by Bush and Cheney). Guess who is calling the behind the scene shots now.
2. NASA is shutting down BUT CASA and IASA are on their way UP.
3. China now has the worlds FASTEST computer.
What do you have...Iphone4?
4. China and Germany lead the world on Green energy manufacturing such as wind turbines and solar panels, uhm solar panels were invented in the US in late 1970's iirc.

Tell me what America's next big thing is? What is the new job creator? What will you be dominant in?

You have a President that is brilliant (he has a very high IQ int he genius range). He speaks of long term solutions for America's success but about 25% of you are stuck on the fact that he is HALF WHITE or is it HALF BLACK and got nothing better to do but try to say he is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Communist Socialist in disguise. Way to support your country and make yourselves looks like JACKASSESS to the rest of the world.


Yes, there are a few HANDFUL of reasonable Tea Party people but non of them are in office. That movement is a GIANT BOAT ANCHOR on the Nation and other countries love it...like China.
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He speaks of long term solutions for America's success but about 25% of you are stuck on the fact that he is HALF WHITE or is it HALF BLACK and got nothing better to do but try to say he is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Communist Socialist in disguise. Way to support your country and make yourselves looks like JACKASSESS to the rest of the world.
LOL too true

BTW your obsession with India is kinda silly
I am on a forum with thats like 30% Indian and I can tell you its one fcked up country
The difference between rich, middle class and poor is massive there
It has a massive obesity problem while 40% of its population are malnourished.
It has loads of billionaires yet it has 30% of the worlds poorest people iirc
China was way poorer than it in the 40's/50's yet now will soon have triple the GDP per capita
About the onlu Indian succes story I can think of is Kerela
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LOL too true

BTW your obsession with India is kinda silly
I am on a forum with thats like 30% Indian and I can tell you its one fcked up country
The difference between rich, middle class and poor is massive there
It has a massive obesity problem while 40% of its population are malnourished.
It has loads of billionaires yet it has 30% of the worlds poorest people iirc
China was way poorer than it in the 40's/50's yet now will soon have triple the GDP per capita
About the onlu Indian succes story I can think of is Kerela
Pardon. I have no obsession with India.
So greed is in full swing in India. This sounds like a rocky ride on the way considering the Mumbai tragedy already.
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If by Liberals you mean Educated people or people able to have rational thoughts vs. Tea Party which Education is not of importance but more of skin color.

Think about this, America has NOT advanced in the last 8 years essentially. After the IT bubble what do you have to offer the world...oh right pillaging your home values to generate wealth.

China and India have grown leaps and bounds.
Here is some HARD PROOF for you.
1. America owes China TRILLIONS of dollars (charged up by Bush and Cheney). Guess who is calling the behind the scene shots now.
2. NASA is shutting down BUT CASA and IASA are on their way UP.
3. China now has the worlds FASTEST computer.
What do you have...Iphone4?
4. China and Germany lead the world on Green energy manufacturing such as wind turbines and solar panels, uhm solar panels were invented in the US in late 1970's iirc.

Tell me what America's next big thing is? What is the new job creator? What will you be dominant in?

You have a President that is brilliant (he has a very high IQ int he genius range). He speaks of long term solutions for America's success but about 25% of you are stuck on the fact that he is HALF WHITE or is it HALF BLACK and got nothing better to do but try to say he is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Communist Socialist in disguise. Way to support your country and make yourselves looks like JACKASSESS to the rest of the world.


Yes, there are a few HANDFUL of reasonable Tea Party people but non of them are in office. That movement is a GIANT BOAT ANCHOR on the Nation and other countries love it...like China.
so, to be clear, if you aren't liberal, you're dumb....

great argument, you changed my vote
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so, to be clear, if you aren't liberal, you're dumb....

great argument, you changed my vote
Perhaps you should reread everything I posted and try to keep thing in CONTEXT.

I don't need to change a damn thing but I think you need to.
I live in a country with free Healthcare and the BEST BANKING SYSTEM in the WORLD.

Instead of trivializing and trying to marginalize anyone offering suggestions perhaps you can provide some by answering the questions below.

Take our country back= NO JOBS
Cut Spending= NO JOBS
Ban Gays in the Military= NO JOBS

The BIGGEST spending is on DEFENSE budget but nobody talks about cutting that welfare program? How come?

What is America's next "thing"? What do you have to offer that will create jobs for the future IN AMERICA? What do you have to offer that the world can only buy from you?
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so, to be clear, if you aren't liberal, you're dumb....

great argument, you changed my vote
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What is America's next "thing"? What do you have to offer that will create jobs for the future IN AMERICA? What do you have to offer that the world can only buy from you?
Interesting little tidbit: most of our defense spending in the past few decades has been used to keep aggressor nations in check.

The Cold War? The Soviets would have taken a HUGE chunk of (if not all of) Western Europe if it wasn't for a massive US presence.

Korea? If we didn't keep soldiers there "on welfare", do you honestly think the North wouldn't have overrun the South already? You think Kim Jong would let them peacefully exist?

Kuwait: think Saddam would've pulled back and behaved himself if we hadn't forced him to?

The current Iraqi Conflict: think Saddam would have stopped killing his own citizens, and abided by UN sanctions eventually?

I wonder what the world would be like today if, at the end of WWII, the US had simply told the rest of the world "There: the rest is up to y'all. We're going home"...
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Any more disrespectful posts or personal attacks and this thread will be closed with a generous helping of infractions.
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Perhaps you should reread everything I posted and try to keep thing in CONTEXT.

I don't need to change a damn thing but I think you need to.
I live in a country with free Healthcare and the BEST BANKING SYSTEM in the WORLD.

Instead of trivializing and trying to marginalize anyone offering suggestions perhaps you can provide some by answering the questions below.

Take our country back= NO JOBS
Cut Spending= NO JOBS
Ban Gays in the Military= NO JOBS

The BIGGEST spending is on DEFENSE budget but nobody talks about cutting that welfare program? How come?

What is America's next "thing"? What do you have to offer that will create jobs for the future IN AMERICA? What do you have to offer that the world can only buy from you?
more people in other countries worrying about the US's problems rather then their own. Your "ours is the best xxxxx" is highly subjective. Free healthcare is only free to the poor and hardly should be considered your stellar achievement.

The only thing I can say to end this silly debate (well, my participation in it) is.....

I promise not to vote in any of your elections, and you stay out of mine....
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more people in other countries worrying about the US's problems rather then their own. Your "ours is the best xxxxx" is highly subjective. Free healthcare is only free to the poor and hardly should be considered your stellar achievement.

The only thing I can say to end this silly debate (well, my participation in it) is.....

I promise not to vote in any of your elections, and you stay out of mine....
WRONG! Everyone Rich and Poor walks into the same hospital.
We don't have the "county hospital" here where you dump the poor off. The person making $20k a year has access to the same quality care and hospital as the person making $1 million. Yes, if you have the extra benefits from your job you can get a private room if not you share a room with 1 other person...no big deal.

The rest of the world is PISSED because of the BANKING FRAUD PERPETRATED ON US by the US. Your lack of regulation and deregulation caused this cluster F#ck. If you are paying attention just as the world moved away from the British Pound as the monetary standard towards the US $ they are now shifting to the EURO as the standard and away from the US$. Part of invading Iraq was to keep OPEC from dropping the US$ as the pricing for oil and move to the EURO $. When that currency switch occurs that there will be the final nail in the coffin as it was for England. You will no longer be viewed as the Super Nation so I suggest that you put your pride aside to avoid the fall.

Does it not surprise you that more people OUTSIDE the US seem to have a better understanding of your history and your Political system than the majority of your own Citizens?

This small nation and young nation has MANY STELLAR achievements NASA is one of them that benefited.
Google the Avril Aero.
btw---that thing you call a telephone...Canadian
The Global TIME ZONES System- Canadian invention too.
UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms - written by a Canadian
Insulin - Canadian
Basketball - Canadian
Canada was established- July 1st, 1867

This is not a pissing contest. Put your pride aside and stop the infighting and most of ALL STOP being sheeps and falling for stupid leaders like Sarah Palin and John Boehner.

I actually like some of the things Mike Huckaby says but I guess he would now be considered a Liberal. You are destroying yourself and being divided by your own so called leaders.

Obama wants Education to be a priority for but Rand Paul and his types want to abolish the Department of Education. Ya got a major problem there with those extremes. How the hell can someone take issue for wanting to provide a better level of education to the CITIZENS?

You went from 1st to 23rd in Math and Science.
Less than 30 years America went from producing the most amount of College Educated people to #10 and slipping. THAT IS A PROBLEM that is not RED or BLUE. That is a NATIONAL PROBLEM that effects the CITIZENS whether you are a Capitalist or a Pinko Commie Socialist
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Ummm... minor point? That whole thing of "the most college educated people" really did nothing but devalue a college degree.

Used to be, a bachelors degree meant something. Now, it's nothing more than a merit badge.

Seriously man: give up attacking our country, and worry about some of the abuses and fraud in your own.
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Well say what you want but IMO Canada is a good type of conservatively economic economy.
No sudden hikes/cuts in spending, mantain a slight but sustainable surplus, keep all your population healthy and educated.

"Consrvervative" means to preserve for the future.

In the US many "conservatives" probably just like the "bad" parts of conservatism, its backwardness strand, "keeping things the way they were" (Gays in the military, gun laws, etc) and perhaps they then just decide to agree with what so-called conservatives say as its easier than thinking things through.
America's two-party system probably worsens this phenomena.
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America- The NEW Monkey?

These threads need merged. Same America bashing spread over two threads.
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WRONG! Everyone Rich and Poor walks into the same hospital.
We don't have the "county hospital" here where you dump the poor off. The person making $20k a year has access to the same quality care and hospital as the person making $1 million. Yes, if you have the extra benefits from your job you can get a private room if not you share a room with 1 other person...no big deal.

The rest of the world is PISSED because of the BANKING FRAUD PERPETRATED ON US by the US. Your lack of regulation and deregulation caused this cluster F#ck. If you are paying attention just as the world moved away from the British Pound as the monetary standard towards the US $ they are now shifting to the EURO as the standard and away from the US$. Part of invading Iraq was to keep OPEC from dropping the US$ as the pricing for oil and move to the EURO $. When that currency switch occurs that there will be the final nail in the coffin as it was for England. You will no longer be viewed as the Super Nation so I suggest that you put your pride aside to avoid the fall.

Does it not surprise you that more people OUTSIDE the US seem to have a better understanding of your history and your Political system than the majority of your own Citizens?

This small nation and young nation has MANY STELLAR achievements NASA is one of them that benefited.
Google the Avril Aero.
btw---that thing you call a telephone...Canadian
The Global TIME ZONES System- Canadian invention too.
UN Charter of Rights and Freedoms - written by a Canadian
Insulin - Canadian
Basketball - Canadian
Canada was established- July 1st, 1867

This is not a pissing contest. Put your pride aside and stop the infighting and most of ALL STOP being sheeps and falling for stupid leaders like Sarah Palin and John Boehner.

I actually like some of the things Mike Huckaby says but I guess he would now be considered a Liberal. You are destroying yourself and being divided by your own so called leaders.

Obama wants Education to be a priority for but Rand Paul and his types want to abolish the Department of Education. Ya got a major problem there with those extremes. How the hell can someone take issue for wanting to provide a better level of education to the CITIZENS?

You went from 1st to 23rd in Math and Science.
Less than 30 years America went from producing the most amount of College Educated people to #10 and slipping. THAT IS A PROBLEM that is not RED or BLUE. That is a NATIONAL PROBLEM that effects the CITIZENS whether you are a Capitalist or a Pinko Commie Socialist

Ididn't say they weren't recieving care... I said it wasn't free for the rich, only the poor.

your lack of understanding of how economics works is amusing. please continue
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Well say what you want but IMO Canada is a good type of conservatively economic economy.
No sudden hikes/cuts in spending, mantain a slight but sustainable surplus, keep all your population healthy and educated.

"Consrvervative" means to preserve for the future.

In the US many "conservatives" probably just like the "bad" parts of conservatism, its backwardness strand, "keeping things the way they were" (Gays in the military, gun laws, etc) and perhaps they then just decide to agree with what so-called conservatives say as its easier than thinking things through.
America's two-party system probably worsens this phenomena.
Very well said and a good understanding of Canada. I will give this political system credit for basically cherry picking the best things from other nations and doing it. We do not have that type of infighting within. Canadians tend to vote for the person and not the party. It is interesting to see a Conservative vote for a Liberal and a Liberal vote for a Conservative. This occurs because the voters will elect the person that has a SOLID plan and the ability to lead.

We have essentially 4 parties. If the party in power is doing soemthing the rest of the country does not agree with then when that bill comes up the other parties can ban together can call for a NON CONFIDENCE vote, this basically triggers and election and it's back over to the people to elect the same or a new party. You would think the other side pulls the trigger every second BUT they do NOT. It is to be used wisely and ONLY when you KNOW the Citizens will vote them out or do not support their policies anymore.

Conservatives and Liberals amazingly share the same values.
See, they operate with how do we advance the country globally.
Their mindset is not about pillaging the country but instead evolving it. We are a smaller version of you. This country has fought in all the wars and did some big things along the way in those wars therefore as a Nation no matter the party they promote and remember the SACRIFICES made by previous generations and as such they act in the present day manner NOT to tarnish that pride.

It's normal to see a Conservative (cowboy hat wearing (from the west) Alberta) having a beer with a Liberal as they watch hockey.
They listen to each other and respect each other because they both want the best for the country and as such try to take the better part from the other side. Try telling that conservative cowboy that you are taking away his "free healthcare"...he and the Liberal will "punch you out"...lol.
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canada is not the picture of democratic excellence that you guys think. Their borderline socialism system works only because they have a population less than California. They rely on the US on most things (military protection, etc) since obviously if someone invades Canada, the US will be right there protecting them.
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canada is not the picture of democratic excellence that you guys think. Their borderline socialism system works only because they have a population less than California. They rely on the US on most things (military protection, etc) since obviously if someone invades Canada, the US will be right there protecting them.
AND right there is some rhetoric straight out of the 1950's.
WOW, you sir are full of crap.

What Canadian cities have you lived in?

Stop watching Fox "news" and travel outside of your zip code to start. Who would invade Canada? This is a WELL RESPECTED COUNTRY around the planet. Even American kids put a Canadian flag on their backpacks when traveling abroad..why is that?

If Sarah Palin could see Russia from her back window, do you realize that we can too, yet Russia never tried to move against Canada. What is Alaska connected to?

Man you really are full of crap. Keep spewing that bs and you soon realize why your Government is won and lost with bumper sticker slogans.

btw- The US tried to invade Canada, but that did not work out. The rest of the world would say we need protection against YOU...lol

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The U.S. Army had done poorly, on the whole, in several attempts to invade Canada, and the Canadians had shown that they would fight bravely to defend their country.
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Care to elaborate on that one a bit? Examples of what things consevatives are "backwards" on, and how?
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AND right there is some rhetoric straight out of the 1950's.
WOW, you sir are full of crap.

What Canadian cities have you lived in?

Stop watching Fox "news" and travel outside of your zip code to start. Who would invade Canada? This is a WELL RESPECTED COUNTRY around the planet. Even American kids put a Canadian flag on their backpacks when traveling abroad..why is that?

If Sarah Palin could see Russia from her back window, do you realize that we can too, yet Russia never tried to move against Canada. What is Alaska connected to?

Man you really are full of crap. Keep spewing that bs and you soon realize why your Government is won and lost with bumper sticker slogans.

btw- The US tried to invade Canada, but that did not work out. The rest of the world would say we need protection against YOU...lol

PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
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The U.S. Army had done poorly, on the whole, in several attempts to invade Canada, and the Canadians had shown that they would fight bravely to defend their country.
Your getting your wires crossed so badly it's downright humorous.
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canada is not the picture of democratic excellence that you guys think. Their borderline socialism system works only because they have a population less than California. They rely on the US on most things (military protection, etc) since obviously if someone invades Canada, the US will be right there protecting them.
Tell us how long have YOU lived in Canada since you seem to know how the country operates?
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I used to live in a town in southwestern Arizona that gets invaded by Canadian senior citizens each and every winter...
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I used to live in a town in southwestern Arizona that gets invaded by Canadian senior citizens each and every winter...
I think we still got Florida on lock down, well the parts with ice rinks
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And how long have you lived in the US?
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And how long have you lived in the US?
I grew up there. My Family is still there. My Brother is in the Military.
I lived there for 20 years then I tried moving back in my late 20's but I realized Canada was a better choice for myself and future kids.

So you see, my threads and posts are based on my experience and observations between to the two Nations and "systems".

Let me put it to you this way. Buffalo (Niagara Falls area) is a 1.5 hour drive from downtown Toronto and man let me tell you that you would HONESTLY think you stepped into the twilight zone.

Upstate NY is like the land before time. Building falling down, caved in, just sitting there and this is along the highway section that takes you through downtown Buffalo.

If I lived in Buffalo and came to Toronto, I would never go back. I do NOT exaggerate one bit when I tell you it is as different as the Sun and the moon. Detroit is the same too. Detroit has some really cool old buildings but the gutting of the state has left that place in a mess too. Both Buffalo and Detroit, you just literally have to walk across a bridge to experience a GIANT difference. Our drinking age is 19 so we get a lot of kids crossing over to party.

Toronto is a city that is pretty much made up of the world. There are about 150 languages spoken here but everyone gets along and pulls int he same direction. If a Southern State Republican type came here they would be dazed.

The media filtering that is put on you guys is insane. The US school system teaches you nothing outside your borders. People still think we live in Igloos...lol

The sad part is, 2 months ago I was catching up with some US school friends from Jr. High. I was speaking to a software engineer, she a smart woman from what I remember of her too. I told her Toronto is next to Buffalo, she said yeah...I hear you guys have great coffee since you are next to Seattle uhm wrong coast.

So you see, if you truly take the time to read my threads you will see that I actually giving you guys answers as to what works and to avoid the bullshit you are being fed there.

I noticed this tonight. The Republicans keep saying they want off of foreign oil that it's bad but on the other hand they don't want EPA regulations to get the car companies to make more fuel efficient vehicles thus using LESS FOREIGN OIL. So which one is it then, or are they just talking points to appease the "base". I really don't care about a party as much as I care about the person that will be leading and what their LONG TERM PLAN is.

America was bad ass because it made cool shit and had cool technology and always making new cool shit but unfortunately your so called citizens aka CEO's and Politicians sold your country out by allowing your technology and jobs to leave the country. You gave your global competitors the keys to the house and the code to the alarm along with the blue prints and equipment to make the locks and alarm systems. I am ALL for people making money BUT as a Citizen you OWE the country that provided you that ability to get ahead. Tax payers seeded the ground. US workers got the job done BUT because some CEO felt they wanted MORE $$$ they shipped your National interests overseas.

China now has the fastest computer.
How will you up that and why would the chip makers stay in the US when they know the Chinese are now smart enough and can provide workers and the equipment needed. That is the sad dilemma that you now face. What is America's new cool shit to sell to the world? What does the world need from you that they can note make themselves now?

btw- India is the largest steel producer in the world. The US Military relies on India to provide you the steel you need to make your own tanks and ships. Does that sound like you control your own security/defense? A ranking Navy Admiral made that point.

Your CEO's made you an internal service based economy, in a nutshell you all will work for Walmart... speaking of which after the US Military Walmart employees the MOST people globally...scary shit huh?

Anyways feel free to challenge my "rantings" or ask questions.

Another tidbit for you
China has 1.3 Billion people or more.
GM is BIG in China and growing. They love the Buick name there hence why GM did not drop that old badge for a car line in the US.
If you were a business, wouldn't be better to move GM to China and make cars and sell them back to America as well. The US is at best 350 million people. China has you beat by 1 Billion for a customer base. India is right next door to China with another 1.1 Billion plus people. India has produced the worlds cheapest car right now...the Nano I think they call it. Do you see where this is heading? Think of it this way for the new super powers...USA is now China and India is now Russia. Those are the emerging powers. China and India now have space flight. The US is scrapping theirs. Russia is getting by by selling seats to private citizens.
What does America have to offer? What technology do you have left that the world NEEDS to buy from you? That is the answer as to why you will not see your job market firing up and steaming ahead. It will be a slow burn to get back to 7% I say. The lifestyle the US middle class had is over. The gap from middle to rich is growing as fast as the interest on the debt. The middle is slipping down with the poor. Sure the Tea Party says take the country back...but back to what...1950's...that ship has sailed, burned, and sunk to the bottom of the ocean. What is your competitor doing and what can you do to match or surpass them?


What does America have to offer? What technology do you have left that the world NEEDS to buy from you?

That is the answer as to why you will not see your job market firing up and steaming ahead. China and Germany are the Green Leaders in technology and Manufacturing where was the US in that race, still fighting with each other and stuck in the locker room. The race already started and you don't have your running shoes on because you are being trained to fight each other over the red shoes or blue shoes to wear to the race.

You actually do have a great President. He is a brilliant person.
If you stop and listen to his plans, then listen to Nobel prize winners in Economics from around the world you will see they agree he is on the right path but sadly Beck and Limbaugh are your other leaders and economic geniuses. Fyi, Rush makes over $100 million a year and has I think 2 jets 1 for sure. You really think he cares about you...he just needs some of you to keep listening.

Try to google and use foreign media analsysis of Obama and where he fits into the global strategy. I think you will quickly learn why the rest of the world respects and likes the guy. It's too bad his own Nation and Citizens don't see it.

The fastest and largest growing US business is...the PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (Prison-industrial complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
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your so called citizens aka CEO's and Politicians sold your country out by allowing your technology and jobs to leave the country.
You keep accusing the CEOs for "selling us out". But have you actually studied WHY so many companies leave US shores?

First off is the "labor issue". We have some VERY high wages, some mandated by government (minimum wage is now at $7 something an hour), some forced by unions.

Then there are "regulation issues". EPA, OSHA, IRS, etc... ALL have their set of rules and regs that companies HAVE to follow. Most of which are non-existant overseas...

There's another workforce issue: it's getting harder to find people willing to actually work. I can't count the number of people I see every day leaching off the system. Or, if they have a job, being nothing more then a mediocre worker...

I think Reagan said it best: "Government isn't the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem"...
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You keep accusing the CEOs for "selling us out". But have you actually studied WHY so many companies leave US shores?

First off is the "labor issue". We have some VERY high wages, some mandated by government (minimum wage is now at $7 something an hour), some forced by unions.

Then there are "regulation issues". EPA, OSHA, IRS, etc... ALL have their set of rules and regs that companies HAVE to follow. Most of which are non-existant overseas...

There's another workforce issue: it's getting harder to find people willing to actually work. I can't count the number of people I see every day leaching off the system. Or, if they have a job, being nothing more then a mediocre worker...

I think Reagan said it best: "Government isn't the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem"...
Who gave China the technology to build their own computers?
CEO's pillaged your country. Reagan was a puppet for the Banks.
He deregulated your country. The problem is people that USE AMERICA and think and feel they don't have to give back to the country that gave them that opportunity.

Think about it like this. Is it okay for the US Military to have Russia make high tech equipment for them or to share your technology with them. No, that's considered treason.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you.
If Government IS the problem then get rid of the Military.
Why do you need to Government to defend you, buy your own protection?


Government is supposed to be by the people of the people and for the people. If you do not have a central organization to manage your Nations resources and act as a unified force then what do you have. The reason your Government is overspending is because you got life long Politicians lining their pockets and being the puppets for big business that is removing the Nations resources 1 brick at a time. Why not have 10 year term limits for ALL Politicians?

Without Government you would not have NASA and all the spin off private companies it help to create.
See it's called a mix, you NEED both.

Governments role is to Defend/Educate/Protect/Healthcare/Infrastructure and to seed the grounds for business to grow. Government uses the tax payers $$$ to invest into companies and ideas to get them going in which they will create jobs which brings in more taxes to continue bettering the above core Government deliverables in order to have a STRONG COUNTRY.

At the end of the day, here you are.
What are you going to do?

The lechers are the lifelong Politicians, toss them out and get term limits along with donation limits capped to 10 years as a total lifetime term...oh and get that Citizens United crap repealed asap.
You just opened the door to other countries to undermine you and you won't even see or know who they are.
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Governments role is to Defend/Educate/Protect/Healthcare/Infrastructure and to seed the grounds for business to grow. Government uses the tax payers $$$ to invest into companies and ideas to get them going in which they will create jobs which brings in more taxes to continue bettering the above core Government deliverables in order to have a STRONG COUNTRY.
Ummm... no.

Government's legitimate role is to regulate trade between the states and foreign agencies, defend the borders against aggressors, and defend basic human liberties from infringement.

That last is rather important, and hit "Educate" and "healthcare".

See, no essential liberty requires direct action on the part of another to happen.

Go through the entire Bill of Rights... NONE of them require that anyone do anything. The technical term for this is "negative rights" (the government may NOT do these things)...

What you're talking about is "positive rights": "These things every person is entitled to". Which is a fine way of looking at things like Freedom of Speech and such. however, it falls apart when you talk about education and healthcare. Because SOMEONE has to be a doctor or a teacher for people to enjoy such rights.

Let's take education (just to get off healthcare for a bit). You have to have teachers to educate people. Those teachers have to make SOMETHING for their effort...

What happens if folks decide they're not making enough as teachers, and quit? What then happens to everyone's "right to an education"? Or does the government force folks to BE teachers, so as to guarantee that "right"?

The same goes for doctors, only moreso...
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Ummm... no.

Government's legitimate role is to regulate trade between the states and foreign agencies, defend the borders against aggressors, and defend basic human liberties from infringement.

That last is rather important, and hit "Educate" and "healthcare".

See, no essential liberty requires direct action on the part of another to happen.

Go through the entire Bill of Rights... NONE of them require that anyone do anything. The technical term for this is "negative rights" (the government may NOT do these things)...

What you're talking about is "positive rights": "These things every person is entitled to". Which is a fine way of looking at things like Freedom of Speech and such. however, it falls apart when you talk about education and healthcare. Because SOMEONE has to be a doctor or a teacher for people to enjoy such rights.

Let's take education (just to get off healthcare for a bit). You have to have teachers to educate people. Those teachers have to make SOMETHING for their effort...

What happens if folks decide they're not making enough as teachers, and quit? What then happens to everyone's "right to an education"? Or does the government force folks to BE teachers, so as to guarantee that "right"?

The same goes for doctors, only moreso...
I think you are missing what I meant.
Let me simplify it.
The Government should NOT provide education also (your kids, your problem).

The Constitution is a framework for that time period and base for the future BUT it is a "living" and evolving document imo.

Washington and Jefferson did not have Ipods and Nuclear weapons or hell even ball point pens

If you let go of your current thought pattern and stand back an look at what I offered I think you will see my end results creates a NATION of smart,healthy,and educated people. As you know, without a strong foundation you got squat.

*add Justice to my list of Government Functions
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Ummm... no.

Government's legitimate role is to regulate trade between the states and foreign agencies, defend the borders against aggressors, and defend basic human liberties from infringement.

That last is rather important, and hit "Educate" and "healthcare".

See, no essential liberty requires direct action on the part of another to happen.

Go through the entire Bill of Rights... NONE of them require that anyone do anything. The technical term for this is "negative rights" (the government may NOT do these things)...

What you're talking about is "positive rights": "These things every person is entitled to". Which is a fine way of looking at things like Freedom of Speech and such. however, it falls apart when you talk about education and healthcare. Because SOMEONE has to be a doctor or a teacher for people to enjoy such rights.

Let's take education (just to get off healthcare for a bit). You have to have teachers to educate people. Those teachers have to make SOMETHING for their effort...

What happens if folks decide they're not making enough as teachers, and quit? What then happens to everyone's "right to an education"? Or does the government force folks to BE teachers, so as to guarantee that "right"?

The same goes for doctors, only moreso...
Supply and demand. When teachers think they aren't making enough and quit hire new ones. It's how America works right now. There are waaaaaaaay more workers then jobs and no one should be complaining about their job. This is not the problem as much as it is the result of other problems.
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Supply and demand. When teachers think they aren't making enough and quit hire new ones. It's how America works right now. There are waaaaaaaay more workers then jobs and no one should be complaining about their job. This is not the problem as much as it is the result of other problems.
I read your posts and you are like CAPTAIN OBVIOUS.
You just restate OBVIOUS things. Why don't you TRY to provide SOLUTIONS or ways to IMPROVE things?

When your roof as a small leak, saying NO or look the roof is leaking does not keep it from getting larger.
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If by Liberals you mean Educated people or people able to have rational thoughts vs. Tea Party which Education is not of importance but more of skin color.
Since you seem to be lacking in a bit of education yourself, I'll educate you a bit. Tea Party isn't a racial organization it's a philosophical organization. The organization includes many black members. Granted these are in the minority, but so is black support for conservative movements as a whole.

There are groups within the tea party movement that are composed mainly of racists, but racism is not part of the tea party movement.

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Think about this, America has NOT advanced in the last 8 years essentially. After the IT bubble what do you have to offer the world...oh right pillaging your home values to generate wealth.
Umm... you do realize that we are still leading the world in a great many areas in tech... right?

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China and India have grown leaps and bounds.
Here is some HARD PROOF for you.
1. America owes China TRILLIONS of dollars (charged up by Bush and Cheney). Guess who is calling the behind the scene shots now.
2. NASA is shutting down BUT CASA and IASA are on their way UP.
3. China now has the worlds FASTEST computer.
What do you have...Iphone4?
4. China and Germany lead the world on Green energy manufacturing such as wind turbines and solar panels, uhm solar panels were invented in the US in late 1970's iirc.
And the US still leads on Solar Panel tech... take a look at NanoSolar if you like.

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Tell me what America's next big thing is? What is the new job creator? What will you be dominant in?
Really? What will Canada be dominant in? Nothing?

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You have a President that is brilliant (he has a very high IQ int he genius range). He speaks of long term solutions for America's success but about 25% of you are stuck on the fact that he is HALF WHITE or is it HALF BLACK and got nothing better to do but try to say he is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Communist Socialist in disguise. Way to support your country and make yourselves looks like JACKASSESS to the rest of the world.
Brilliant is a matter of definition. Many people with high IQ's are completely incompetent as Obama has proven himself to be.

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Yes, there are a few HANDFUL of reasonable Tea Party people but non of them are in office. That movement is a GIANT BOAT ANCHOR on the Nation and other countries love it...like China.
Well, thank you for your insight. To be honest, the Tea Party movement serves a purpose. It may not suit what you think the US should be doing. It doesn't push us to create a health care system that we can't pay for. It doesn't push to tax it's citizens at 50+%. It pushes to keep government incompetence from our lives as much as possible.
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Since you seem to be lacking in a bit of education yourself, I'll educate you a bit. Tea Party isn't a racial organization it's a philosophical organization. The organization includes many black members. Granted these are in the minority, but so is black support for conservative movements as a whole.

There are groups within the tea party movement that are composed mainly of racists, but racism is not part of the tea party movement.



Umm... you do realize that we are still leading the world in a great many areas in tech... right?



And the US still leads on Solar Panel tech... take a look at NanoSolar if you like.



Really? What will Canada be dominant in? Nothing?



Brilliant is a matter of definition. Many people with high IQ's are completely incompetent as Obama has proven himself to be.



Well, thank you for your insight. To be honest, the Tea Party movement serves a purpose. It may not suit what you think the US should be doing. It doesn't push us to create a health care system that we can't pay for. It doesn't push to tax it's citizens at 50+%. It pushes to keep government incompetence from our lives as much as possible.

Best of luck to you. The Tea Party suffered a great by not having Sharon Angle or Christine Odonell int he caucus.

Believe what you want but History as proven that EVERY empire falls. China owns your country right now but hey, keep arguing about little things instead of seeing the bigger picture.
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Believe what you want but History as proven that EVERY empire falls. China owns your country right now but hey, keep arguing about little things instead of seeing the bigger picture.
True.

And, if they decided to try actually damaging us with that leverage, they'd be shooting themselves at the same time, as the US is one of their biggest markets...
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STOP falling for the bullshit from the CEO's. wtf are you talking about?

America was SOLD OUT, Pillaged and RAPED by it's own so called citizens that have a badge of CEO. It is WRONG to USE America to make your $$$ but then ship the jobs overseas and the technology. I guess it was okay for them to use America for the freedoms it provides, use it for schools, use it for the safety, but when it came time to payback for the luxuries that America provided due to the efforts put forth by it's Citizens it's all of a sudden too much to ask of those CEO's to payback the country that ALLOWED them in EVERY ASPECT to get rich and live in larger than life mansions without fear. In short they shitted on the people that gave them the opportunity but yet those people can't seem to smell or see the shit on their face.

You might want to talk about the unions and heavy handed government intrusion as well as oppressive taxes. Just saying...

I am all for people getting rich. I believe that now, Government and Business need to work together for the BEST INTEREST of the COUNTRY. China and India along with the rest of the world is doing this.

China uses slave labor, poisons, starves and abuses and neglects its own people.


That is the problem that everyone seems to think you can just hit a switch and fix it now. true things do not happen overnight in the real world.


America should have OWNED the green revolution but you are too busy fighting each other and getting smoke and mirrors from the CEO's that just want their $$$ at yours and the countries expense.

There is no money in owning the green revolution, otherwise private companies would all have jumped on the bandwagon. The gree revolution has to come from people willing to make the changes to buy into the green revolution. Personally, i do not buy into the whole green thing. It's a scam.

America should dominate in every kind of green energy equipment BUT NO China and Germany are at the front while America is still in the locker room trying to agree on wearing red shoes or blue shoes for the race...hello, the gun fired, the race started.

It is sad that your own leaders get you to vote AGAINST your own financial interests. EVERY HOUSE in the SOUTH and WEST of the US should have a solar panel as part of the building code BUT NO, Big Oil controls your energy policy. I do not want a damn solar panel on my house, i own.

Do you not see how these business or rather CEO's are not AMERICAN CITIZENS but instead are just greedy and "treasonous" people?

ceos' are not greedy treasonous people, they are people like u and me who make people lots of money, as well as themselves.

Being wealthy is not being greedy, nor treasonous. Besides, how much money makes one greedy, who decides this standard and why do they get to make this rule?

A NEW STANDARD is NEEDED. Measure a CEO by how many people they hired (not fired). We do count the hires, the government counts them every month



Measure by the quality of life they brought to the workers and the community/country. There is something wrong when someone get MILLION$ when they get fired but if you the worker gets fired maybe you get $5.

I have never been paid to get fired, ( I have never been fired actually)then again I never made a company enough money to have them sign a contract to pay me if I get fired either...but no one is stopping you or anyone else from approaching your employer with a contract with a firing clause in it.


It has amazed me how Americans overlook some basic and startling facts. Let's rewind for a moment and keep it simple.
Clinton left and there was a surplus but after 8 years of Bush and Republican rules there is Trillion dollar deficits, you borrowed money from China to fight wars...btw, where are the WMD's in Iraq.

Some were used on the Kurds when saddam gassed his own people in his own country. Others were moved to other countries, and hidden. We went to war because after 31 post surrender resolutions were broken, and saddam exiled the inspectors as well as many many other atrocities like putting people into industrial chippers feet first, his sons molesting, raping preteen girls on a daily basis, etc etc we went in...sorry if they were not humanitarian reason for you.

The massive deregulation that occurred allowed the banks to control the country. It was a clever scam. The banks made their money on the way up, in the middle, and on the way down, oh and on the way up again. They made profits 3 times because they had George Bush and Hank Paulson along with Dick Cheney backing their shell game.


careful the black helicopters are starting to circle...

GET the FACTS straight, it was Henry Paulson that setup that bailout of the banks. What did they care, the party was over as it was Bush's last term.

Please do not get into the pissing match of it was the Democrats in 2006 etc...Just look at who deregulated, borrowed from China, and who backed the banks.


[B]If I gave or sold the Military information to another country even if it were something simple as a "paperclip"...I could be charged for treason....ummmmm not true.


yet if a US company takes knowledge and equipment to another country it's called capitalism. The country was sold out by the so called CEO's or "Capitalists".

Clinton gave much info to the Chinese you know..
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New World Order anyone? :O jk
If America does crumble from an economic meltdown, then a huge ripple affect will follow. One, we are China and India's number one customer. Without a customer base, the comapnies would either die or recede this many overseas jobs would be lost. Two, we owe China trillions of dollars. Without tax revenue coming from the citizens, we are unable to pay them back and that's where China is relying on a chunk of their income. On the brightside our GDP is still higher than China's. I smell martial law and the patriot act truely coming into play :/
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True.

And, if they decided to try actually damaging us with that leverage, they'd be shooting themselves at the same time, as the US is one of their biggest markets...
biggest markets for the moment
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US- about 350 million people
China - about 1.3 BILLION
India - about 1.1 BILLION
We can leave out Europe/Africa/South America

You are proving my point, you went from a country that MADE and exported things and technology to country that just CONSUMES. You do not really MAKE anything for example:
1. clothes/textiles
2. electronics
3. cars - for the moment but those numbers will fall sharply because you can buy that SAME Volvo and Buick cheaper from China.Remember they used to call Japanese cars junk just less than 40 years ago...but now Honda and Toyota are #1 and 2. China has no copyright laws or patent laws nor do they recognize or abide by any therefore they can just copy the same car, make it, sell it back cheaper to you.
4. steel - India is the largest supplier, your own Military relies on India to build your own ships and tanks...do you not see a problem with that.
5. food - notice the larger imports coming from Mexico and even China of all places.

My point is simple, you HAVE history to look at over the past 30 years. Whatever you think you make, they will copy it, make it, and sell it back to you via Walmart CHEAPER.

Whatever you can make in the USA some CEO will just get it made in India or China because they get a bigger salary and more money for share holders. If 95% of you are losing money, how many of you can be shareholders when you will struggle to barely hold your homes (think of your kids future and see if they get the same or better "deal" than you or your parents had).

My threads are not to bash you. Far from it. It's to get some of you to wake up and STOP fighting and focusing on little shitty things. You would not be in so much DEBT if you did not have to INVADE Iran. The US economy has pretty much been driven by the WAR machine essentially from day 1. The world has CHANGED, Wars is not the new economy. Information and Technology are.
I rail against your CEO's and call them "traitors" because they GAVE your competitors the knowledge and technology to REPLACE or DIRECTLY compete with you. China has the world fastest computer now...they did that in less than 5 years iirc. You gave them the means and knowledge to erase you from the equation and to REPLACE you as the worlds supplier.

This will sound basic and crude but if we were opposing drug dealers, would you give me access to your customers. Would you give me access to your formula? Will you teach me how to make the drugs and how to market it back to your territory. Will you give me the tools to make the drugs? Do you see how basic this is when you look it from that point of view? Will you help me get your customers hooked on my products. Try finding 5 things in your home NOT made in China. The facts are there to demonstrate that the trains tracks run in this direction not away from it.

Think of a pyramid. the richer are at the top.
Now flip it upside down, that small base that feeds up to the rest are the factory workers. If a factory worker can not buy a cheap car or a house then how can the next "feeder" be bale to afford the more expensive care or bigger house. A waterfall STARTS with 1 drop of water. Wealth does not just appear by magic...it is grown from the bottom up that's how you have a top. Everything in nature has a base to support a top/growth. The middles class is that base. You are making less money and that is a FACT.

Your parents in the 50's-60's could afford a nice little home, a car, and 3+ kids with only ONE person working (a basic type job) yet you can't do that today. Is that progress to you when you NEED 2 people to provide the income that essentially has the same or less purchasing power than your ONE parent that worked. Save the inflation bs for someone else. It's called deflation and we are living it. GREED got us into this mess and created this environment and mindset. 2% of the people owns the wealth. That number was higher in your parents days. If you live in a big city this scenario will make sense to you because the price of a home is just crazy.

Work hard and save your money, right. Put it into the market or 401K. You pay your taxes and follow your rules BUT the people in charge of your money don't follow the rules and just look for ways to SCAM YOU i.e. recent Wall Street fiasco and it's STILL going on.
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Ok... after 12+ hours of work, I think I've had enough of this one.

Think what you want, say what you want. I'm done.
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Best of luck to you. The Tea Party suffered a great by not having Sharon Angle or Christine Odonell int he caucus.

Believe what you want but History as proven that EVERY empire falls. China owns your country right now but hey, keep arguing about little things instead of seeing the bigger picture.
Every empire falls? True. Absolutely true.

Think of this, the Entire "Free" World depends upon the US for protection.

Canada doesn't have an army capable of fighting a war on its own, especially against adversaries like Russia or China.

Neither does any other country in NATO. Every country in NATO has been able to limit their military because the US had their back... if the US can no longer do that, then ALL nations are at China's mercy. Canada has an advantage though... there really isn't much worth the effort it would take to conquer Canada.


I can understand why you are concerned. Once the US falls, then Canada will be defenseless, your economy will tank, and you will basically revert back to a third world nation.

It's ok, we've been around for hundreds of years. We aren't going down without a fight.
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Am I the ony one thinking - where are the nukes and blown up bridges?


Anyway regarding the thread title - America has never had a real empire (perhaps for a while in early 1900's) but have partially controlled other countries - often by imposing dictators upon them, but usually through trade, financial lending, and the odd military alliance

China is eating its way into Africa and ASEAN via aid and infrastructure projects, and it has also been lending a lot to the over consuming societies in this world (US esp.), often not directly.

Until the US can turn a surplus (likely at the expense of developing countries , its semi-empire is going to slip away gradually
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If by "America," the United States is the subject here, it is not a true "empire" in the first place.

The U.S. is an amalgamation of little empires, business being the most influential. That particular empire is always in the background, kind of like wallpaper; you don't really notice it unless it begins to peel off, which is happening now and has happened in the past. Once it gets to a certain point, it is not replaced anew so much as taped and patched and glued back into place.

I feel that most of the empires that make up what we call the United States could survive just about anything that's destroyed other empires through history around the world because the U.S. is not a homogeneous society, and is thus diversified enough to find success in dire circumstances, such as what has been going on economically now through three presidential terms.
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