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Old July 10th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just found out va is one of 8 states that its legal for parents to give their kids alcohol in their own home. Not saying a little SIP. I mean stinking drunk. I even asked my cousin who is a cop on this and he said its true. So why even have an age limit if parents can give it to them at very young age?

 
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Evidently we do. I never heard of it lol.
 
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I just found out va is one of 8 states that its legal for parents to give their kids alcohol in their own home. Not saying a little SIP. I mean stinking drunk. I even asked my cousin who is a cop on this and he said its true. So why even have an age limit if parents can give it to them at very young age?
I think your cousin is wrong about it. And that is a whole other thread. Here is a short form review of the current VA drinking laws that apply to minors:



Virginia's Alcohol Beverage Control Act contains laws governing possession, use and consumption of alcoholic beverages. Pertinent laws are summarized below:
  • It is illegal for anyone under age 21 to purchase, posses, or consume any alcoholic beverage.
  • It is illegal for any person to sell alcoholic beverages to persons under the age of 21 years.
  • It is illegal for any persons to purchase or provide alcohol beverages for another when, at the time of the purchase, he/she knows or has reason to know that the person for whom the alcohol is purchased is under 21 years of age.
  • It is illegal for any underage person to use a forged or otherwise deceptive driver's license to obtain beer or other alcoholic beverage.
Correct me if you think this is wrong. I cannot see any reason why the state would make it legal for kids to drink. It would surely make the news. It is a bad law if true because the parents are responsible for the damage a drunk child causes.
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as far as I know, its technically illegal in any state to give your kid or anyone under 21 alcohol.
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Here's a site that breaks it down by state:

42 States That Allow Underage (under 21) Alcohol Consumption - Drinking Age - ProCon.org

According to the site Virginia is a state where underage drinking is allowed "on private non alcohol selling premises, with parental consent"

They provide a link to this pdf concerning Virginia:

http://drinkingage.procon.org/sourcefiles/VirginiaUnderAgeAlcConsumpLaw.pdf

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7. Any person who keeps and possesses lawfully acquired alcoholic beverages in his residence for his personal use or
that of his family. However, such alcoholic beverages may be served or given to guests in such residence by such
person, his family or servants when (i) such guests are 21 years of age or older or are accompanied by a parent,
guardian, or spouse who is 21 years of age or older and (ii) such service or gift is in no way a shift or device to evade
the provisions of this title.
Edit: Another link specific to Virginia's underage drinking laws:

http://www.alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/apis_state_profile.html?state=va
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Well damn you learn something everyday.

I still am a little bit unsure of what the medical reason for giving booze. I will ask my doctor next time I see him. I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those old things still on the books.

I did lol when I saw the work related one.
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I dont think many knows of this law in Va. I know I sure didnt until my wife showed me. I think its a law that needs to be taken out. I will never give my child alcohol as he has no reason to have it.

I also think the legal drinking age should be 18. If you can die for your country you should be able to slam a few back prior to doing so.
 
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If I had to guess, these laws probably date back to when it was popular to give your kid a hit of bourbon when he was teething to take the edge off. Just a guess though.

This is one of those things where I don't think parents that want to give their kids alcohol really care about the law. They will do it regardless. Changing the law probably isn't going to stop little Timmy from getting drunk if his parents give him the OK.

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Until it deals with a child safety and well being. Then your rules no longer applies.
 
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Until it deals with a child safety and well being. Then your rules no longer applies.
Honestly, how is a child getting drunk any worse than another person getting drunk. If the kid died of alcohol poisoning, even under this "free to drink in your own home" law, you can bet the parents would be liable. Right now, I think we should make laws more about how your kids are being fed. All this high sugar high fat BS is causing kids to grow up eating trash and become obese throughout their lives. Far more Americans are ruining their kids daily by teaching them poor eating habits than those that are getting their kids drunk.

Furthermore, even where kids grow up in alcoholic families yet are not offered alcohol are at much higher risk of abuse later in life. And who is going to report daddy giving Timmy alcohol behind closed doors? After that, who is going to believe who? Mommy is mad at daddy and says Timmy was being fed beer. Timmy loves daddy more so Timmy says he stole the beer without daddy knowing? See? I just don't think there is evidence of this being a big enough problem to really change the law about it. People are outraged that the law is this way, but do you know of kids getting plastered and destroying their lives because they were allowed to drink in the confines of their own home?
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I remember reading something on why some parents would allow their underage kids to drink. One of the woman interviewed said that her kids will drink with or without her knowledge, she would prefer it with her knowledge and in a control environment. When her kids (and friends) party at her house, she knows that none of them will be drinking and driving (they are required to be sleeping over).

I do believe that the US has a really high age for the drinking limit. Seriously 21? You can legally vote, smoke, marry, have kids at 18 but you can't drink?
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But why would you give a child alcohol? Borderline pedophilish to me.
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I remember reading something on why some parents would allow their underage kids to drink. One of the woman interviewed said that her kids will drink with or without her knowledge, she would prefer it with her knowledge and in a control environment. When her kids (and friends) party at her house, she knows that none of them will be drinking and driving (they are required to be sleeping over).

I do believe that the US has a really high age for the drinking limit. Seriously 21? You can legally vote, smoke, marry, have kids at 18 but you can't drink?
What happens when the woman goes to sleep, the kids get out, and perhaps become involved in an accident? Certainly, you are liable and she will likely face a pissed off jury that has her swinging from a rope before the jury is fully seated.
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But why would you give a child alcohol? Borderline pedophilish to me.
To me someone that is 20 years old is nowhere near being seen as a child, yet he/she still can't drink?

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What happens when the woman goes to sleep, the kids get out, and perhaps become involved in an accident? Certainly, you are liable and she will likely face a pissed off jury that has her swinging from a rope before the jury is fully seated.
Can't seem to find the article It might have been on the tv.

But found this debate on WSJ: The Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition
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I agree with your concern about the whole "waiting to be 21" thing. 18-21, what's gonna make you ready for alcohol in that three year time span? yadayada.

But i was really referring to allowing/giving children(young) alcohol.
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To me someone that is 20 years old is nowhere near being seen as a child, yet he/she still can't drink?
So where is the line drawn? Some say 18, what about 17.5 or 17? Some people are very mature at 16, so should that be the age? Why not 15, if you are like an old friend of mine that was very sensible and mature?

21 is the age in most places and when you decide that is too old, you have to pick an age. I think 21 is fine because it gives most people a chance to mature and that is important.
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So where is the line drawn? Some say 18, what about 17.5 or 17? Some people are very mature at 16, so should that be the age? Why not 15, if you are like an old friend of mine that was very sensible and mature?

21 is the age in most places and when you decide that is too old, you have to pick an age. I think 21 is fine because it gives most people a chance to mature and that is important.
Well historically the the drawing of the line coincided with the 'age of majority' which used to be 21 in the US. The age of majority is now 18 so it seems drawing the line at 21 is quite arbitrary at this point. If you want to talk about maturity from what I recall reading not long ago the brain doesn't fully mature until sometime around the late twenties...
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So where is the line drawn? Some say 18, what about 17.5 or 17? Some people are very mature at 16, so should that be the age? Why not 15, if you are like an old friend of mine that was very sensible and mature?

21 is the age in most places and when you decide that is too old, you have to pick an age. I think 21 is fine because it gives most people a chance to mature and that is important.
If a person isn't mature by 18. Then 3more years isn't going to make a difference.
 
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But why would you give a child alcohol? Borderline pedophilish to me.
I have to ask, do you know what being a pedophile means? I don't mean to offend, but I just don't think giving kids alcohol is in the same league as pedophilia.
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If a person isn't mature by 18. Then 3more years isn't going to make a difference.
I don't know if I agree with this. A lot of things happen to a person between the time they generally graduate high school (18) and by the time they reach 21. A lot of kids get out of the house at this time, start living their own lives, making largely their own decisions, etc.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't me advocating to keep the drinking age 21 (or lowering it), but there is a whole lot that happens to teens between 18 and 21. To be fair, a whole lot more happens further along as well, possibly up to the age of 30, or more.
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I don't know if I agree with this. A lot of things happen to a person between the time they generally graduate high school (18) and by the time they reach 21. A lot of kids get out of the house at this time, start living their own lives, making largely their own decisions, etc.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't me advocating to keep the drinking age 21 (or lowering it), but there is a whole lot that happens to teens between 18 and 21. To be fair, a whole lot more happens further along as well, possibly up to the age of 30, or more.
Look at a lot of your college students between 18 to 25. How many shows maturity and how many doesnt. You seem to be thinking when a person reaches a certain age something goes click in their brain and boom they are mature. It dont work that way and I have seen more people reach 21 act the same as they did at 18. 21 isnt a magic number and I think if the courts and gov acknowledge you being an adult at 18. Then you should be able to drink at 18.
 
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Look at a lot of your college students between 18 to 25. How many shows maturity and how many doesnt. You seem to be thinking when a person reaches a certain age something goes click in their brain and boom they are mature. It dont work that way and I have seen more people reach 21 act the same as they did at 18. 21 isnt a magic number and I think if the courts and gov acknowledge you being an adult at 18. Then you should be able to drink at 18.
Actually, there are plenty of college students that learn maturity through their "trial by fire" (aka mom and dad gave you the boot and you get to learn how to live on your own). And no, I don't think something magical happens in your head at ANY age. The difference is the potential life experiences that a human being can have under his/her belt at those given ages. The average 18 year old hasn't lived a day away from home. They are less likely to be responsible than a 21 year old, statistically speaking.
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i know people in their 40s and 50s that shouldn't be allowed to drink. i know people in their 40s and 50s that aren't as mature as some of the 16-mid 20yo that i know.
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I have to ask, do you know what being a pedophile means? I don't mean to offend, but I just don't think giving kids alcohol is in the same league as pedophilia.
I will admit, i may have stretched that a bit.... but i also did say borderline. yes i'm aware to its definition. But you can easily make a connection between giving children alcohol and pedophilia. You can make a connection between alcohol(usually an over consumption) and sex period. Pedophilia does have to with sex, therefore can be connected to alcohol. If you get an adult drunk enough, you can take advantage of them. No different than a child.
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Sure, if you are doing it with the intent of taking advantage of them. But that intent sort of has to be there. Calling a person a pedo because he gives a kid a beer is calling that same person a rapist when he gives it to a woman. It's not that act of giving the person the alcohol that makes you the sex offender. JMO
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Well historically the the drawing of the line coincided with the 'age of majority' which used to be 21 in the US. The age of majority is now 18 so it seems drawing the line at 21 is quite arbitrary at this point. If you want to talk about maturity from what I recall reading not long ago the brain doesn't fully mature until sometime around the late twenties...
I remember an article (can never find these damn articles again) that shows that the brain doesn't reach developmental maturity until you are 25 years old (car rental got this spot on in the US).

I found a forum that cited the paper, lol.

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Look at a lot of your college students between 18 to 25. How many shows maturity and how many doesnt. You seem to be thinking when a person reaches a certain age something goes click in their brain and boom they are mature. It dont work that way and I have seen more people reach 21 act the same as they did at 18. 21 isnt a magic number and I think if the courts and gov acknowledge you being an adult at 18. Then you should be able to drink at 18.
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Different areas of the brain develop in differing rates into early adulthood. Certainly the pruning and shaping of Corina's brain during her early months as a learning machine were critical. But according to recent imaging studies of children...a second growth spurt in gray matter occurs just before puberty.

Assuming she was a typical girl, Corina's cortex was thickest at the age of 11 (boys peak a year and a half later). This wave of growth was following by anotyher thinning of gray matter that lasted throughout her teen years, and indeed has only recently been completed. This first areas of her brain to finish the process were those involved in basic functions, such as sensory processing and mnovement, in the extreme front of the brain. Next came regions governing spatial orientation and language in the parietal lobes on the sides of the brain.

The last area of the brain to reach maturity is the prefontal cortex where the so called executive brain resides - where we make social judgements, weigh alternatives, plan for the future and hold our behaviour in check.

"The executive brain doesnt hit adult levels until the age of 25" -Jay Giedd, National insitute of Mental Health". "At puberty you have adult passions, sex drive, energy and emotion but the reining in doesnt happen until much later"

It is no wonder perhaps that teenagers seem to lack good judgement of the ability to restrain impulses.

"We can vote at 18 and drive a car. But you can't rent a car until you are 25. In terms of brain anatomy, the only people who have it right are the car rental people!".
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Actually, there are plenty of college students that learn maturity through their "trial by fire" (aka mom and dad gave you the boot and you get to learn how to live on your own). And no, I don't think something magical happens in your head at ANY age. The difference is the potential life experiences that a human being can have under his/her belt at those given ages. The average 18 year old hasn't lived a day away from home. They are less likely to be responsible than a 21 year old, statistically speaking.
Yet that 18 year old, can move out of the house...enlist in the army, get married, have kids or buy a house of their own. Those things would show them to require A LOT of responsibility (especially the kids part).

Alcohol to little kids = big no no

I didn't drink until I was 20 even though I could legally drink at 19 and had a fake ID at 18
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Yet that 18 year old, can move out of the house...enlist in the army, get married, have kids or buy a house of their own. Those things would show them to require A LOT of responsibility (especially the kids part).

Alcohol to little kids = big no no

I didn't drink until I was 20 even though I could legally drink at 19 and had a fake ID at 18
I agree with you. That said, we have to provide a definition of adulthood for legal reasons. Perhaps we just don't want to give kids all of their adult freedoms at once? Or maybe the age of legal adulthood should be 21 (although there are many reasons it would be damn near impossible getting something like this to pass).

We are talking about dieing for your country here, why can women still not be drafted in desperate times of war? I'd rather see equality in the draft than a lowered drinking age.

Some say giving your kid liquor is bad. I say teaching your kid to shoot a gun is bad, yet that is legal almost everywhere. IMO a kid with a gun is more dangerous than a kid with a single beer in his hand that dad let him have at home. I have no data to substantiate my hypothesis, but I would also venture a guess that the kid that dad let's drink on occasion ends up being more responsible with his liquor later in life than the kid that got his first beer at 21.
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A decent article on drinking age and why it is what it is.

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With evidence that a lower [than 21] drinking age resulted in more traffic injuries and fatalities among youth, citizen advocacy groups pressured states to restore the MLDA to 21. Because of such advocacy campaigns, 16 states increased their MLDAs between September 1976 and January 1983. Resistance from other states, and concern that minors would travel across state lines to purchase and consume alcohol, prompted the federal government in 1984 to enact the Uniform Drinking Age Act, which mandated reduced federal transportation funds to those states that did not raise the MLDA to 21.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 12:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I do believe that the US has a really high age for the drinking limit. Seriously 21? You can legally vote, smoke, marry, have kids at 18 but you can't drink?
Umm.. actually it makes perfect sense. That argument is getting pretty stale.

It is funny because you hear this argument (which doesn't make any sense at all) over and over because it is just what people hear and regurgitate without even know they are doing it.

Studies of the teenage brain show that adolescents and young adults are more vulnerable to the effects of alcohol on learning, memory and judgment. And those who begin drinking in their early teens are at greater risk to become alcoholics.

The drinking age has been lowered before and it doesn't work.

21-year-old drinking age saves many lives.
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Umm.. actually it makes perfect sense. That argument is getting pretty stale.

It is funny because you hear this argument (which doesn't make any sense at all) over and over because it is just what people hear and regurgitate without even know they are doing it.

Studies of the teenage brain show that adolescents and young adults are more vulnerable to the effects of alcohol on learning, memory and judgment. And those who begin drinking in their early teens are at greater risk to become alcoholics.

The drinking age has been lowered before and it doesn't work.

21-year-old drinking age saves many lives.
Then why 21? If studies have shown that brain development/growth to the 'maturity' level is not until your mid 20s. Shouldn't THIS be the ideal age if alcohol has a negative effect on the youth's brain?

I just find it VERY ironic that I am given all these choices as an adult at 18 yet if I want a drink, it's illegal. As an adult, I should be able to make the decision if I want to drink or not with my other choices. My action, my consequences. If the State feels that I am unable to make such a decision, than they should also question my ability to use such judgement for the other rights (voting, legally carrying a gun, smoking).

To save lives, drinking should be ILLEGAL but we know what happens with such prohibition
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Then why 21? If studies have shown that brain development/growth to the 'maturity' level is not until your mid 20s. Shouldn't THIS be the ideal age if alcohol has a negative effect on the youth's brain?

I just find it VERY ironic that I am given all these choices as an adult at 18 yet if I want a drink, it's illegal. As an adult, I should be able to make the decision if I want to drink or not with my other choices. My action, my consequences. If the State feels that I am unable to make such a decision, than they should also question my ability to use such judgement for the other rights (voting, legally carrying a gun, smoking).

To save lives, drinking should be ILLEGAL but we know what happens with such prohibition
Time was, a 14 year old could buy a rifle and shells. Not sure what the age limit is these days in every state, but in Montana it is 14. Guns are serious and kids that have been trained typically have very few problems.

Voting takes knowledge that most kids lack. They are easily influenced and simply not mature enough to make a well reasoned decision. Besides, the age is set by the United States Constitution. This tells you our founders thought it important enough to make it a part of our founding documents.

Smoking is more dangerous than drinking. Sure, kids can have a drink and quite likely, there will be few consequences. But kids are kids and they lack judgment, so the drinking age is higher.

Alcohol, if you believe the studies, (and as you mentioned in your post) causes problems with development in the early stages, so kids cannot drink at an early age.

Interesting that a kid can get a pilot's license at an early age and they can begin classes at any age. Depending on the craft, they can solo at 14 years of age.

Finally, it is not like drinking at an early age is a good thing. Let kids be kids and learn to tell then no.
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Some ethnic groups do give kids a little wine with a special meal or special occasion. We let our daughter have a small sample of wine. She still prefers non-alcoholic Cold Duck.

Along with liquor for teething, you could buy paragoric. (opium derivative)
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Some ethnic groups do give kids a little wine with a special meal or special occasion. We let our daughter have a small sample of wine. She still prefers non-alcoholic Cold Duck.

Along with liquor for teething, you could buy paragoric. (opium derivative)
Gosh, I do remember Paregoric. Camphorated Tincture of Opium. Imagine giving that now illegal compound to a kid these days. Or anyone else. As I recall, it was an OTC remedy way back when.

When I moved not too long ago, there was a bottle of the stuff in my grandmother's closet. I thought it might be good to freeze and use in ice tea on a hot summer day. Then again . . .
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Alcohol, if you believe the studies, (and as you mentioned in your post) causes problems with development in the early stages, so kids cannot drink at an early age.
So does caffeine, and at the prevalence that kids are drinking it, it's probably currently a far greater problem than alcohol. I think we should put an age limit on that (seriously), though I am not sure we ever would/could.
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Time was, a 14 year old could buy a rifle and shells. Not sure what the age limit is these days in every state, but in Montana it is 14. Guns are serious and kids that have been trained typically have very few problems.
That's fair, but is there evidence that kids, when allowed by their parents to drink earlier on have more than few problems? I don't know the answer to this, but it seems guns are justified in that statement because kids are taught responsibility and generally don't have issues. What if I taught my kid to drink responsibly when he was 14?
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So does caffeine, and at the prevalence that kids are drinking it, it's probably currently a far greater problem than alcohol. I think we should put an age limit on that (seriously), though I am not sure we ever would/could.

That's fair, but is there evidence that kids, when allowed by their parents to drink earlier on have more than few problems? I don't know the answer to this, but it seems guns are justified in that statement because kids are taught responsibility and generally don't have issues. What if I taught my kid to drink responsibly when he was 14?
I have not thought much about caffeine and its potential danger. Perhaps we should forbid kids from caffeine if there is a potential for damage.

And no . . . do not give your 14 YO alcohol. Bad idea for any number of reasons.
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And no . . . do not give your 14 YO alcohol. Bad idea for any number of reasons.
Either my point was missed, or it was avoided. I was touching on the potential social ramifications of a kid being taught to use a firearm. You said they are taught responsibility, so it is rarely an issue. I posed a question: is there evidence that teaching a kid to drink responsibly in your own home is any more of an issue than teaching a kid to shoot?

Caffeine is a problem, but so are a mess of other things. Kids are being taught to eat like garbage, and that follows them into adulthood with obesity, heart disease, and diabetes. If I had to guess, the parents feeding their kids beer are the same parents teaching their kids terrible eating habits as well. Not justifying, just theorizing. The bottom line is that being permitted to drink alcohol really isn't an adolescent's biggest enemy here in America.
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Hey, I know this is two years old, but I found it and had to reply. In Virginia it is legal to give your kids alcohol in your home, or other children in your home if they are accompanied by their parent. BUT... if there is a problem, there are other laws that kick in, such as those against child abuse and neglect. I'm a lawyer in Virginia and I see plenty of cases where parents are hit with protective orders and even criminal charges for allowing their kids to drink in the home. It makes sense to allow parents to decide its okay for their kids to have a little watered-down wine at Thanksgiving dinner, and some cultures have their rituals with alcohol, but getting the kids drunk will not go over easy if it's found out. And there are judges who believe it is abusive to allow a child to drink alcohol regardless of the legality of it by statute. If it happens in the home it should stay in the home. If the police have reason to be at your house and they find your kid intoxicated, or if he sneaks out and gets in trouble elsewhere, all bets are off.
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Hey, I know this is two years old, but I found it and had to reply. In Virginia it is legal to give your kids alcohol in your home, or other children in your home if they are accompanied by their parent. BUT... if there is a problem, there are other laws that kick in, such as those against child abuse and neglect. I'm a lawyer in Virginia and I see plenty of cases where parents are hit with protective orders and even criminal charges for allowing their kids to drink in the home. It makes sense to allow parents to decide its okay for their kids to have a little watered-down wine at Thanksgiving dinner, and some cultures have their rituals with alcohol, but getting the kids drunk will not go over easy if it's found out. And there are judges who believe it is abusive to allow a child to drink alcohol regardless of the legality of it by statute. If it happens in the home it should stay in the home. If the police have reason to be at your house and they find your kid intoxicated, or if he sneaks out and gets in trouble elsewhere, all bets are off.
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I'm going to pop in here with a couple thoughts

First off: do NOT throw words lie "pedophilia" and "abuse" around lightly. As someone who helps abused kids regularly, what you're doing is devaluing the terms.

As for giving kids alcohol: I had a bottle of blackberry brandy in my rooms from the time I was 12 or so. I would occasionally have a glass while reading or painting miniatures (yes, I was a gamer), never even told any of my friends it was there
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