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Old July 31st, 2012, 01:36 PM   #51 (permalink)
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small group of elitist ..the powerful 1% elite families who select their presidents and their media tell the majority who to elect...The u.s. is a corporate company..it can be bought by any who have power or money and influence to do so...Rothschild, Rockefeller,schiffs, jp Morgans...etc..etc..
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small group of elitist ..the powerful 1% elite families who select their presidents and their media tell the majority who to elect...
Tell me more about this. People do have a choice when they vote you know.
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Tell me more about this. People do have a choice when they vote you know.
Would the elite 1% settle for a president that nationalizes industry, wants to raise taxes even more, not follow the constitution . . .?
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Would the elite 1% settle for a president that nationalizes industry
I'd imagine that if there ever was a Mitterand style candidate for president in the US corporations would use their massive political leverage to assault him and his credibility. Even still the people would have a vote.
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I'd imagine that if there ever was a Mitterand style candidate for president in the US corporations would use their massive political leverage to assault him and his credibility. Even still the people would have a vote.
You, sir, are confused, and you only look at part of the picture. To say '.........the people still have a vote' shows a certain level of understanding that does not jive with 'corporations would use their leverage to ....' The whole point of your statement about corporations is to show that (average) citizens are spoon fed candidates and thus their vote is, to an extent, predetermined. Is that not your contention?
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You, sir, are confused, and you only look at part of the picture. To say '.........the people still have a vote' shows a certain level of understanding that does not jive with 'corporations would use their leverage to ....' The whole point of your statement about corporations is to show that (average) citizens are spoon fed candidates and thus their vote is, to an extent, predetermined. Is that not your contention?
I dont think anything is predetermined or destiny. People have "free will" and can vote for the candidate of their choice. People are easily influenced of course, especially when they fail to think things through, and many voters vote without informing themselves.
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I dont think anything is predetermined or destiny. People have "free will" and can vote for the candidate of their choice. People are easily influenced of course, especially when they fail to think things through, and many voters vote without informing themselves.
Garbage-In Garbage-Out.

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small group of elitist ..the powerful 1% elite families who select their presidents and their media tell the majority who to elect...The u.s. is a corporate company..it can be bought by any who have power or money and influence to do so...Rothschild, Rockefeller,schiffs, jp Morgans...etc..etc..
Nothing new, those that have the gold, make the rules. Many companies spend a lot of money on marketing to sell their products/services because it works. Many companies spend a lot of money on politicians for the same reason.
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While I would agree with those who watch Fox or read crap tabloids are far less informed, that survey seems to bull.
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"The most scandalous recent example of the FCC’s cozy relationship with the companies it ostensibly regulates took place in January 2011. Just a few weeks after the agency approved Comcast’s acquisition of NBC-Universal, a deal worth $30 billion, Commissioner Meredith Attwell Baker left to take a senior position at Comcast. One unanswered question is whether Baker was negotiating her compensation package while the agency deliberated the acquisition."

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While I would agree with those who watch Fox or read crap tabloids are far less informed, that survey seems to bull.
Funny, Fox agrees, but I don't find any difficulties in the methodology. MSNBC came 2nd to last.

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I wonder what the numbers show for people who watch cable news versus those who don't.
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I wonder what the numbers show for people who watch cable news versus those who don't.
The key is to read between the lines, as the saying goes.

There are subliminal messages between the lines.
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The key is to read between the lines, as the saying goes.

There are subliminal messages between the lines.
please continue to make a statements and not support them with anything. This is fun.
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Hey, elastic, remember how you said the people always have a vote? You were right, but the votes we have don't matter.

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My favorite quote:
"Many Democrats in Tennessee knew nothing about any of the candidates in the race, so they voted for the person at the top of the ticket," ....and since we don't like the winner, and you're uneducated and unsophisticated, your votes have no value Lol. Classic.
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was reading that story earlier.....and the 1 thought kept running through my mind

they refuse to support this candidate in any way shape or form..... including monetarily......... but I bet they will continue to raise funds in Tenn. under the premise of winning that senate seat

theyll just use that money for junkets and other purposes not related to the election

if I were this candidate I would make it perfectly clear to the people of Tenn. that they should make all donations directly to his campaign fund and not to the Dem party
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My favorite quote:
"Many Democrats in Tennessee knew nothing about any of the candidates in the race, so they voted for the person at the top of the ticket," ....and since we don't like the winner, and you're uneducated and unsophisticated, your votes have no value Lol. Classic.
Well when the Democratic party pushes rhetoric that can only appeal to low information voters, I suppose you reap what you sow.
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Well when the Democratic party pushes rhetoric that can only appeal to low information voters, I suppose you reap what you sow.
Tennessee has an open primary. Republican was an incumbent with no real opposition, received 85% of Republican vote. Perfect opportunity for Republicans to vote for the weakest Democrat.
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Banks rule America, nowhere banks can print dollars.
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Tennessee has an open primary. Republican was an incumbent with no real opposition, received 85% of Republican vote. Perfect opportunity for Republicans to vote for the weakest Democrat.
Hmm, should I take your word for it or that of the Tennessee Democratic Party itself, that stated "Many Democrats in Tennessee knew nothing about any of the candidates in the race, so they voted for the person at the top of the ticket."
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Guess Who's Profiting Most From Super PACs? | Politics News | Rolling Stone

"In essence, broadcasters are now profiteering from a vicious circle of corruption: Politicians are beholden to big donors because campaigns are so expensive, and campaigns are so expensive because they're fought through television ads. The more cash that chases limited airtime, the more the ads will cost, and the more politicians must lean on deep-pocketed patrons. In short, the dirtier the system, the better for the bottom line at TV stations and cable systems. According to an analysis by Moody's, political ads are expected to account for as much as seven cents of every dollar broadcasters earn over the full two-year election cycle for 2012.

The influx of political cash also means that TV news divisions have what Allison calls a "huge conflict of interest" when it comes to reporting on campaign finance. The profit motive stifles critical coverage of top donors and meaningful reforms, such as public financing of elections.

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I read a article that in Japan, if a child is born in a area near Tokyo with parent that earn more than 10000 USD annually, they have a significantly higher chance of becoming powerful/ successful than others.

So my guess is the same for the U.S. too.
It is all about where you are and how much you earn.
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I wonder what the numbers show for people who watch cable news versus those who don't.
Or the numbers concerning those that get their "news" from the Internet. Any silly idea you have can be supported with "evidence" from the Internet.
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Is the Republican Party now controlled by Karl Rowe ?

The Rise of Karl Rove | Politics | Vanity Fair


"Not long ago, Karl Rove seemed toxic: the brains of a disastrous presidency, tarred by scandal. Today, as the mastermind of a billion-dollar war chest—and with surrogates in place in the Romney campaign—he’s the de facto leader of the Republican Party. But in Rove’s long game, 2012 may be just the beginning."
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please make up your mind......... is it Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers, the Tea Party, blahblahblahblah.........

are you just grasping at straws? you blame someone new every day for controlling the Republican Party
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please make up your mind......... is it Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers, the Tea Party, blahblahblahblah.........

are you just grasping at straws? you blame someone new every day for controlling the Republican Party
What now seems like the disparate ravings of a fanatic, in time, I'm certain will all make sense. He's most likely putting the finishing touches on his Manifesto as we speak. If I may be so bold as to suggest the title: 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party'.
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"After the two biggest political scandals of the dec*ade, the Valerie Plame affair and the outcry following the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, Rove resigned in 2007 under a cloud of suspicion, barely escaping indictment."

"WABC Radio talk-show host John Batchelor, a Republican, put it in perspective. “America is a two-party state,” he says. “There are the Democrats. Then, there’s Karl Rove.”"
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"After the two biggest political scandals of the dec*ade, the Valerie Plame affair and the outcry following the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, Rove resigned in 2007 under a cloud of suspicion, barely escaping indictment."

"WABC Radio talk-show host John Batchelor, a Republican, put it in perspective. “America is a two-party state,” he says. “There are the Democrats. Then, there’s Karl Rove.”"
You REALLY do not know much about the Valerie Palme affair, do ya?
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You REALLY do not know much about the Valerie Palme affair, do ya?
You have just proven you haven't a clue.
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What now seems like the disparate ravings of a fanatic, in time, I'm certain will all make sense. He's most likely putting the finishing touches on his Manifesto as we speak. If I may be so bold as to suggest the title: 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party'.
It has become a truism that Republicans claims that government doesn't work, becomes a reality when they obtain office.

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Tell me more about this. People do have a choice when they vote you know.


people only have the choice of two candidates?out of millions of Americans?
the same two political parties? from many others? they are both flip sides of the same coin. candidates are selected first, both sponsored by the same corporations...then the media news owned by the very same corporations does their job on telling the masses who to elect...like mindless blind sheep. its worked for nearly a century. it is ingenious if you asked me.
there is more to it...you would have to do extensive research.
what I know took me 5 years of obsessive interest.

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What now seems like the disparate ravings of a fanatic, in time, I'm certain will all make sense. He's most likely putting the finishing touches on his Manifesto as we speak. If I may be so bold as to suggest the title: 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party'.
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When one can't attack the content of a post, fools attack the poster.
Wise words that I and the rest of us would do well to heed... Anyhow, far from an attack, I was just showing faith in you against the charge that you are grasping at straws when it comes to who rules the Republican party. Am I a fool to do so?
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What now seems like the disparate ravings of a fanatic, in time, I'm certain will all make sense. He's most likely putting the finishing touches on his Manifesto as we speak. If I may be so bold as to suggest the title: 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party'.
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Wise words that I and the rest of us would do well to heed... Anyhow, far from an attack, I was just showing faith in you against the charge that you are grasping at straws when it comes to who rules the Republican party. Am I a fool to do so?
The author of the article is Craig Unger. Calling someone a fanatic for citing an article or disparaging a posters knowledge based on a cited article without claiming any flaws with said article is foolish.

The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party' is a play on 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Zionist Party' is a not a to subtle allegation of fanaticism for this Manifesto that I'm "most likely" writing as claimed by yourself. The basis of that claim ?
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The author of the article is Craig Unger. Calling someone a fanatic for citing an article or disparaging a posters knowledge based on a cited article without claiming any flaws with said article is foolish.

The Protocols of the Elders of the Grand Old Party' is a play on 'The Protocols of the Elders of the Zionist Party' is a not a to subtle allegation of fanaticism for this Manifesto that I'm "most likely" writing as claimed by yourself. The basis of that claim ?
To be clear I was responding to the post that was questioning if you are grasping at straws as to who is running the Republican Party. I'm sorry that I had faith in you that you are not and that you had it all worked out. But even if you do the expectation that you are writing a 'Manifesto' is a bit much I must admit. Perhaps you could provide us with a simple organizational chart.
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Who wants to lighten up on the personal attacks and snark, and who wants to keep it up and earn an infraction?
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Old August 15th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #90 (permalink)
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What a concept "rule America." I don't know.

Well in my town we have a mayor who everybody trusts and he does normal things like set the volunteer fd equipment budget and the cop's pay (only 4). He got elected by asking for the job on the radio. Didn't say much else but we all know who he is. and he also has a adopted son and daughter from Somalia and his wife is one of the cops.

Maybe America is ruled by local people more than we think? My brother works in Detroit MI and says the different neighborhoods are interesting because the "war zone" ones are the only ones the same and the other ones have their own ways of doing things even parking zones and schools and he mentions the poor ones not in the war zones are some of the best for markets and parks for kids.
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Who wants to lighten up on the personal attacks and snark, and who wants to keep it up and earn an infraction?
Can I get an infraction? Would add to my bad boy image.

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Can I get an infraction? Would add to my bad boy image.

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Sadly, some people think that way. Some brag about it as an accomplishment.
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Sadly, some people think that way. Some brag about it as an accomplishment.
Doing something here bad to get punished accomplishment?

To all feeling that way: soil your pants instead of ruining good threads here. That way you'll be a "bad boy" and keep it all to yourself and whoever deals with you in your life.
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people only have the choice of two candidates?out of millions of Americans?
the same two political parties? from many others? they are both flip sides of the same coin. candidates are selected first, both sponsored by the same corporations...then the media news owned by the very same corporations does their job on telling the masses who to elect...like mindless blind sheep. its worked for nearly a century. it is ingenious if you asked me.
there is more to it...you would have to do extensive research.
what I know took me 5 years of obsessive interest.g. luck.
Certainly, we only have two choices. We do not want twenty or a thousand. We try to pick the most qualified people for the job and eventually, the list of ten or twenty becomes a list of two and they end up on the ballot.

As soon as you decide to run, your life is over. Your family suffers and your friends are put out because you are investigated. If you kicked a dog one time when you were four, your evil animal abuse will be headlines all across the liberal media, local TV and the net.

Smart people know this and they choose not to run because every little problem in your life is magnified a thousand times and "they" will tear you apart. Smart people who could run and could do a great job setting things right will not run because politics is no longer about the best man or woman for the job.
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Certainly, we only have two choices. We do not want twenty or a thousand. We try to pick the most qualified people for the job and eventually, the list of ten or twenty becomes a list of two and they end up on the ballot.

As soon as you decide to run, your life is over. Your family suffers and your friends are put out because you are investigated. If you kicked a dog one time when you were four, your evil animal abuse will be headlines all across the liberal media, local TV and the net.

Smart people know this and they choose not to run because every little problem in your life is magnified a thousand times and "they" will tear you apart. Smart people who could run and could do a great job setting things right will not run because politics is no longer about the best man or woman for the job.
I think it was Romney (though it could've been one of the other Republican candidates) who caught all kinds of flack a few weeks back because he apparently bullied some kid in high school or maybe in college. He would've been in his early 20s at the time at worst and this was more than 30 years ago but people flamed him for it and how horrible a person he was. There was some discussion about whether you wanted someone who was such a terrible bully to even run for public office. They trotted out the victim from 30 years ago and had him running around saying that he was scarred for life and still can't sleep at night and is still in therapy over the incident or something similar. All of this over an incident done 30 years ago by a guy who was a punk kid at the time.

I'm not a smart guy (and there are many people who will attest to that), but I would not want half of the stuff I did in college and high school brought out and aired in public. Certainly not 30 years after the fact. I think the moral of this story is only idiots run for office.
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How is it different from a state level and national level?
What, never heard of the tenth amendment?
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What, never heard of the tenth amendment?
So it's okay for you to support it at the state level but not the national level?

Who can guarantee they will never get sick or need medical attention on any level?
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I think it was Romney (though it could've been one of the other Republican candidates) who caught all kinds of flack a few weeks back because he apparently bullied some kid in high school or maybe in college. He would've been in his early 20s at the time at worst and this was more than 30 years ago but people flamed him for it and how horrible a person he was. There was some discussion about whether you wanted someone who was such a terrible bully to even run for public office. They trotted out the victim from 30 years ago and had him running around saying that he was scarred for life and still can't sleep at night and is still in therapy over the incident or something similar. All of this over an incident done 30 years ago by a guy who was a punk kid at the time.

I'm not a smart guy (and there are many people who will attest to that), but I would not want half of the stuff I did in college and high school brought out and aired in public. Certainly not 30 years after the fact. I think the moral of this story is only idiots run for office.
Here's the post to refresh your memory. Romney vs. Obama
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Who rules America?... I would say the corporate elitists who slipped the puppet strings off of W and tied em right onto Obama. Ya know, the ones about to kill the 1st, 4th, 5th and maybe 6th Amendments with CISPA. The 1% to those on the left and the NWO to those on the right.

You got to admit they put on a good show of letting us believe its us... but its undeniable they divided and conquered us. Bet the Japanese wish they would have thought of dead babies as a weapon of mass destruction.

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So it's okay for you to support it at the state level but not the national level?

Who can guarantee they will never get sick or need medical attention on any level?
Um, yeah it is.

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To do anything else on the matter is unconstitutional...
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