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Old January 19th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Feds Say 7 From Megaupload.com Ran Massive Worldwide Piracy Website | Fox News

not sure if anyone else has seen this, but the Feds busted the founders of megaupload.com and have blocked the site.........

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Old January 19th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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not surprised it was a massive source for free mp3 downloads
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Old January 19th, 2012, 03:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've been wondering why some themes linked to Megaupload were not working.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Megaupload - Bye, Bye - Indicted!!

You guys might have heard but interesting after yesterday's "blackout" in protest of new legislation:

File-Sharing Site Megaupload Shut Down Over Piracy, Execs Indicted | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
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good read... "The accused generated more than $175 million and caused more than $1 billion in harm via megaupload.com and other sites, the DOJ said." i wonder what the $1 billion in harm is referring to... lost sales, revenue? reminds me of the "metallica vs. napster" era...
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Not listed on the indictment is rapper Swizz Beatz -- real name Kasseem Dean -- who, according to a report in the New York Post, is the CEO of MegaUpload. Beatz is married to pop singer Alicia Keys.

Rothken said that Beatz had not been running the site but that recently there had been "a transition period going on."

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Has the cyberwar begun? DOJ, FBI, entertainment industry sites attacked after piracy arrests | InSecurity Complex - CNET News

I read these news stories and think this is not a good thing for the android development community. If this keeps up I can only see more and more file sharing sites going down and many devs rely on these sites for providing their roms (and yes many are rampant with piracy as well )
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From above link:

The attacks were affecting Internet traffic patterns overall, according to a real-time Web monitoring site operated by content delivery company Akamai. The site had registered 218 attacks in the last 24 hours and reported that attack-related traffic was up 24 percent over normal, while general network traffic was up 13 percent.

IRC chats show supporters of the Anonymous online activist collective claiming victory over shutting down the DOJ site and talking about other U.S. government sites to target, including the Recording Industry of America (RIAA), the White House, the FBI, BMI.com, Copyright.com, Viacom, Anti-piracy.be/nl, Vivendi.fr, Hadopi.fr, and ChrisDodd.com, the site for the former U.S. senator who now heads up the RIAA. Some of the targeted sites were intermittently down, like the FBI, while others were accessible but opening very slowly. (A list of known targets is here.)
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The government is on a power trip. Imagine what they'll do to the internet if SOPA/PIPA passes. Scary stuff. If you think online censorship in China is bad, just wait until this stuff passes.
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The government is on a power trip. Imagine what they'll do to the internet if SOPA/PIPA passes. Scary stuff. If you think online censorship in China is bad, just wait until this stuff passes.
Yeah I am hoping it doesn't pass, it would be a major setback in the evolution of the internet if it does.
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Has the cyberwar begun? DOJ, FBI, entertainment industry sites attacked after piracy arrests | InSecurity Complex - CNET News

I read these news stories and think this is not a good thing for the android development community. If this keeps up I can only see more and more file sharing sites going down and many devs rely on these sites for providing their roms (and yes many are rampant with piracy as well )
I think something has to be done with some of these issue (as you said above Yeahha with the rampant piracy). But these proposed laws SOPA/PIPA in their current form are just WAY TOO BROAD with unintended, sweeping consequences...
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As for the site's employees, they were paid lavishly and they spent lavishly. Even the graphic designer, 35-year-old Slovakian resident Julius Bencko, made more than $1 million in 2010 alone.

The indictment goes after six individuals, who between them owned 14 Mercedes-Benz automobiles with license plates such as "POLICE," "MAFIA," "V," "STONED," "CEO," "HACKER," GOOD," "EVIL," and—perhaps presciently —"GUILTY." The group also had a 2010 Maserati, a 2008 Rolls-Royce, and a 1989 Lamborghini. They had not one but three Samsung 83" TVs, and two Sharp 108" TVs. Someone owned a "Predator statue." Motor bikes, jet skis, artwork, and even 60 Dell servers could all be forfeit to the government if it can prove its case against the members of the "Mega Conspiracy."

Megaupload may be trying to get back online under new domain name

http://m.technewstube.com/view/56/

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I think something has to be done with some of these issue (as you said above Yeahha with the rampant piracy). But these proposed laws SOPA/PIPA in their current form are just WAY TOO BROAD with unintended, sweeping consequences...
But the supporters of SOPA/PIPA say the power that is given won't be abused
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The indictment goes after six individuals, who between them owned 14 Mercedes-Benz automobiles with license plates such as "POLICE," "MAFIA," "V," "STONED," "CEO," "HACKER," GOOD," "EVIL," and—perhaps presciently —"GUILTY." The group also had a 2010 Maserati, a 2008 Rolls-Royce, and a 1989 Lamborghini.
If the Lambo is a 1989 25th Anniversary Countach, I would like to buy it at auction

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View Item (56) - Tech News Tube Mobile

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...and THAT is some balls huh?? LOL!
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Yea I heard about that. A shame really. But there are alternatives that are popping up daily.
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Guys,

I've merged the three (or four?) posts from the "Megaupload.com Gone" thread into this one and moved it to The Lounge.

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This biggest problem with all of this is if we allow a "Group" the kind of power where they can just shutdown a site do to the thought that they are "Pirating" then where will we allow them to take it next. Problem as it stands for them (Government) is that we are a community of Hope. Hope gives us more power than the Government has so their for they will do anything to crush that power.

How many of you remember copying Records over to cassettes? Or recording movies from places like HBO or Showtime on to the VCR. This kind of Piracy is something that has been going on ever since the ability has been there. Who has never made a "Love Tape" and given it to their Girlfriend / Boyfriend? Was that Piracy? And where was the Government stand on this issue back then.

I find it interesting that if a Police officer is hurt on the job (has been shot) the officer cannot sue the city in which they work for. I'ts a clause called on the job danager. Meaning that if the danger is a part of your job then you cannot sue. So why is it that Record companies and Movie companies are getting to change the rules? I mean is not the fact that someone is going to copy the owners material a "Danger of the Job"

At another extreme think about what windows is doing in the name of "Anti-Piracy" by creating a activation disc. You have 30 days to activate the product. REALLY you mean to tell me I spent 200.00 dollars for your crap ware and now I can't use it at my own leisure? Why can I only install it on one computer I have 5 computers why would I pay 1000.00 just to access the internet, do some emails, Listen to music, and watch movies. And if I have to install it on the same computer more than four times i have to call you to get some long cryptic number that takes ten minutes to punch in? What happend to the day's when you purchased something legally it was yours. Now it's just on loan! This is the real piracy. They are rapping us, stealing from us, and beating us with the legal bullcrap. So when will the Government shut those sites down? If the Music / Movie organizations went this route and said that you could only play the disc in one player would you not take the thing back and get a refund. Or just ignore them and play it one every cd/dvd player you have?

We have let our Government go to far in protecting the Rights of these Companies and not protecting the rights of the consumer. I do not have a problem purchasing something I find some value in but is it not my right to make a copy for my Dad. Or to put a copy on my wifes computer? Whats next I buy a shirt and decide its a bit big so I give it to someone and bamm we go to jail because of a shirt? Or a 12 pack and I'm only allowed to drink it in the state which I bought it during the hours of 3 - 3:30 am

Anyway once we give an agency that much power its like rolling black out just no way to stop it and all the lines blur.
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This biggest problem with all of this is if we allow a "Group" the kind of power where they can just shutdown a site do to the thought that they are "Pirating" then where will we allow them to take it next. Problem as it stands for them (Government) is that we are a community of Hope. Hope gives us more power than the Government has so their for they will do anything to crush that power.

How many of you remember copying Records over to cassettes? Or recording movies from places like HBO or Showtime on to the VCR. This kind of Piracy is something that has been going on ever since the ability has been there. Who has never made a "Love Tape" and given it to their Girlfriend / Boyfriend? Was that Piracy? And where was the Government stand on this issue back then.
The music industry considered it piracy back in the day...
...anyone remember this?


I think there is a difference between giving a mixtape to a friend and uploading copyrighted MP3s to MegaDownload or whatever, making them available to the whole world.
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I think there is a difference between giving a mixtape to a friend and uploading copyrighted MP3s to MegaDownload or whatever, making them available to the whole world.
Not according to Sony. They put files on their CDs that would only allow you to play it on one device. If you played it in your computer, it wouldn't play elsewhere. They got sued and lost.

Since Sony is so obnoxious I won't buy their products.
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What happend to the day's when you purchased something legally it was yours. Now it's just on loan!
Software licenses have ALWAYS made it clear that purchasers do not own the product, only the right to use it. Copyright for the code remains with the author.
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I think something has to be done with some of these issue (as you said above Yeahha with the rampant piracy). But these proposed laws SOPA/PIPA in their current form are just WAY TOO BROAD with unintended, sweeping consequences...
Who says its unintended?
You know someone intends something they may just be biding their time
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Software licenses have ALWAYS made it clear that purchasers do not own the product, only the right to use it. Copyright for the code remains with the author.
honestly that does not make any difference to the point he made.

before software licenses you bought something it was yours to modify or destroy as you wanted to.

where would the auto industry be if you could not modify your car?
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How many of you remember copying Records over to cassettes? Or recording movies from places like HBO or Showtime on to the VCR. This kind of Piracy is something that has been going on ever since the ability has been there. Who has never made a "Love Tape" and given it to their Girlfriend / Boyfriend? Was that Piracy? And where was the Government stand on this issue back then.

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The music industry considered it piracy back in the day...
...anyone remember this?


I think there is a difference between giving a mixtape to a friend and uploading copyrighted MP3s to MegaDownload or whatever, making them available to the whole world.

Just to give a little legal background (from waaaay back in my "previous life" as an attorney and trying to remember Copyright lectures...) the Government, as well as Sony was there "back then" in the early days of VCR. Actually, the BIG case involved BETAMAX...remember that!!?? The focus regarding Betamax and VCRs came down to an issue of "time shifting" where the Court ruled that the personal, non-infringing use of a copy of a program to watch at a later time was considered "fair use."

Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As an aside, I also remember in studying this case (and this was brought up in the above Wiki article) that in hindsight, after alllllll the bitching that Sony did in the Betamax case look how much they have profited from Betamax and VHS players and VHS and DVD movies!! Bastards!!

The "fair use" doctrine has also been invoked with regard to CDs and music, where one "personal" copy is permitted for personal use as was suggested in the examples of making a copy of a CD to put in your car as a cassette. The creation of a "love tape" shared with a boyfriend or girlfriend however, I believe, actually violates copyright law because it is NOT "one copy for personal use"!!

The "fair use" doctrine has actually been broadened in years since that Betamax case in situations involving dissemination of copyrighted work for non-profit, educational purposes.

The key in the "love tape" example above is the distribution of the content. You have the right to make a single copy for personal use but you do not have the right to distribute, whether for "love" and for free (or for FREE LOVE if that is what you were hoping for in using your "love tape" !! ) or for profit. You can make a copy of a movie for your own "personal use" but if you broadcast it or show the movie to a group of friends at a block party outside, even if for free, that is illegal!! I recall reading cases of lawsuits for copyright infringement where people were sued for showing a movie in their own home !! but those cases did not succeed. However, if your "broadcast" the movie showing it outside on a pulldown screen for a summer nights' party then THAT was illegal.

But the "love tape" scenario, albeit "illegal," is not the scenario that is sought to be controlled...it is the widespread distribution and facilitation of that distribution of the materials that is sought to be controlled. And Megaupload was arguably the biggest distributor of said material and did so for enormous profit.

As to the reasons for the legal existence of software licenses as "single use" and only licensed for installation on ONE computer as compared to the "fair use" doctrine applicable to making a copy of a music CD for personal use, I do not have an answer...that issue is post-law-school/practice for me and above my current pay grade!

So, that my two legal cents...probably not even worth that much!

And by the way, my legal advice is free...free to use, free to distribute. Just know that you assume the risk associated with the use of my bullsh%$...um, I mean "advice"
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True However I was not necessarily talking about software just anything we buy. But while we are at it how is it that Software can be give a "Copyright" but a mathematical formula cannot? After all Software is Math Formulas! Functions and Routines are recognized as part of the math family

thankfully however there are alternatives to this madness. I use Fedora and I have only Free software (Please donate to these causes) I do have windows 7 it came with my computer when I bought it. I use it on an occassion Only because I paid for it. Which really I had no choice because thats how they sell the computer. They don't give us an alternative to choose the OS. So again Corporate America shoves crap down your throat that you really don't want.
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The music industry considered it piracy back in the day...
...anyone remember this?


I think there is a difference between giving a mixtape to a friend and uploading copyrighted MP3s to MegaDownload or whatever, making them available to the whole world.
Hey miketd...I noticed your writing here from CHINA!! I bit off topic but was wondering if you can comment on what YOU see over there with suggestions of China's disregard for the US and other country's intellectual property. We hear all the time in the US stories of BLATANT, uncontrolled copying of copyrighted intellectual and other property in China but what is your experience??
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Yeah I am hoping it doesn't pass, it would be a major setback in the evolution of the internet if it does.
My question is this: If the Feds have the authority/laws in place to have begun an investigation two years ago on MegaUpload, and now arrest and prosecute, why is this new law needed and being put out there, beyond the "Patriot Act" type of fascist head space of U.S. politics these days?
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My question is this: If the Feds have the authority/laws in place to have begun an investigation two years ago on MegaUpload, and now arrest and prosecute, why is this new law needed and being put out there, beyond the "Patriot Act" type of fascist head space of U.S. politics these days?
Frisco, what kind of question is that!!?? How the else do you expect the Senators and Representatives who author and sponsor such bills to keep getting HUGE contributions from the industry these laws seek to "protect"??
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Well yeah (and there's a thread on that SOPA non-sense already.. don't want to thread jack, but the Mega bust was a part of my spiel as an example.. etc), the money does move the legislation in the U.S. .. true.

It seems to me, though, that corporate money should be spent on security measures for their products. The kind that disable functionality when not licensed, etc, rather than on creepy laws whittling away at the internet in general.
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Yes it does. because it was made regarding Windows 7 licensing.

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I believe the general rule is that an 'idea' can't be patented or copyrighted, but someone with actual experience in this area will need to confirm.
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I believe the general rule is that an 'idea' can't be patented or copyrighted, but someone with actual experience in this area will need to confirm.
You're pretty much correct there Slug. The "idea" of the formula cannot be protected in the same way that one cannot protect the "idea" of a chord of music or a super-special scrub brush. But if you take that formula/idea and incorporate it into a process and/or a device, then you can protect the device that was invented (via patent). If you take a series of chords and arrange it in a certain order to produce an "expression" within the hook/verse/chorus of a song, that arrangement can be copyrighted. If you take the "idea" of a super-special-scrub brush and merely describe a physical item in a way that you can lay claim to the incorporated ideas within the physical item, then you can get a patent for the device.
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yeah i believe you are correct. I was really just making a point. Actually for a Mathematical formula the reason it is not copyrightable is because its a natural process from what I understand meaning that because 2+2=4 is just a fact of life we all understand that if we add 2+2 we will end up with 4. This is UN-copyrightable because its a natural Law. And even if we don't know a particular formula now doesn't mean that nature will not reveal it to us one day.

At least that was my understanding of it.

I just get a tad fired up when I see Corporate America shoving their stuff down our throats. We have people who have entirely more than they need and we have children starving. I really just don't understand the priorities of our Government. I do believe that what belongs to someone belongs to them I also believe that there are "Dangers" that we all take as a part of our Lively hood. If I cannot sue the people I work for because I go hurt on the job during my everyday routines then why are they allowed to sue for a "known Danger" to theirs? In the end it boils down to he who has the most money. The "Laws" are fickle and change. Most follow the path of money.

Should sites like Megaupload be shutdown "hmm maybe" but only after the do process that our country has held so dear for the past two hundred something years. At what point will we be going to jail because someone thinks we have committed a crime? At what point will we be going to jail because someone thinks we might commit a crime? At what point will we be worried less about some law and more about people?

Ok I've rambled long enough but one final thought just for my own understanding:

If I buy a CD and then turn around it give it to someone is that considered illegal distribution of a intellectual product? Or am I just being a smarty pants
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Feds Say 7 From Megaupload.com Ran Massive Worldwide Piracy Website | Fox News

not sure if anyone else has seen this, but the Feds busted the founders of megaupload.com and have blocked the site.........
And so it begins . . .

Found this:

"Swizz Beatz, a.k.a Kasseem Dean or Mr. Alicia Keys, was officially listed on Megaupload’s website as its CEO prior to the site’s shutdown, but he hasn’t been implicated in the lawsuit that led to the site’s takedown. In fact, the Atlanta-based rapper’s role in the file-sharing website has come under scrutiny, as its power players seem to be based primarily in New Zealand. The indictment, which was handed down on January 5 and led to the shuttering of Megaupload on January 19, led to seven people being charged and four arrested, including the site’s founder, the oddly-named Kim Dotcom. But why didn’t the feds go after the company’s purported CEO?"

Megaupload's Takedown: How Is Swizz Beatz Involved? | NewsFeed | TIME.com

Then found this . . .

"Hacking group Anonymous retaliated after Megaupload was taken down by launching denial of service attacks on the websites of the U.S. Department of Justice, FBI, Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) and Recording Industry Association of American (RIAA), among others."

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Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins - Tech Talk - CBS News

Seem to me, if we/they/them want to fight SOPA (Dead for now) the last thing most people would want anyone to do is go after web sites run by The U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI. Seems reasonable to assume that things will only get worse and people will go to jail because the FBI/DOJ do not want to look line a bunch of fools that can be forced to bend to the will of a pile of hackers.

Seems to me, when you decide to screw with the FBI/DOJ, they might decide to make an example of you. The word 'spite' comes to mind.

Found this:

"On Jan. 18 websites like Wikipedia and Reddit staged a blackout of their sites to protest SOPA and PIPA. Google joined the protest by blacking out their famous logo for a day."

Wow, way to take one for the team, Mr. Google. You blacked out your logo for not one hour... not three hours, but the full day? Good on ya. Next time you want people to sit up and take notice, take down google dot com for a few hours and take your employees to lunch. You will be the talk of the net. Well, after a few hours.

What say you all? Since SOPA is gone for the time being, will this mean things will get better because we dodged a bullet or will people think it can happen again, so we should start policing our sites just in case?

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Utility Patents, Design Patents, Plant Patents; copyrights, service marks, trade marks . . . lots of protection. Sometimes, something will be protected that should not be protected. The system needs to change. There is fair use which some YouTube posters seems to think means they can post 100% of something, so education is key.

No, generally speaking you cannot protect an idea. This is a good thing, too.

If it were possible, I could "patent" ideas for things I assume will eventually be created, that I have no ability to create or produce.

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good read... "The accused generated more than $175 million and caused more than $1 billion in harm via megaupload.com and other sites, the DOJ said." i wonder what the $1 billion in harm is referring to... lost sales, revenue? reminds me of the "metallica vs. napster" era...
I became a huge Metallica fan because of Metallica Vs. Napster.

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Nope, you are safe.

Give copies to all of your friends, things change. Same thing for books, paintings and movies.
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became a fan because they started suing their fans?
Thats the first time I heard that.
Heard a lot of people moved away from them because of that entire debacle.
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yeah i believe you are correct. I was really just making a point. Actually for a Mathematical formula the reason it is not copyrightable is because its a natural process from what I understand meaning that because 2+2=4 is just a fact of life we all understand that if we add 2+2 we will end up with 4. This is UN-copyrightable because its a natural Law. And even if we don't know a particular formula now doesn't mean that nature will not reveal it to us one day.
How can math be natural? 2 + 2 X 3 is either 12 or 8. Nature knows the truth and when it comes to natural laws, there is only one answer.

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If it were possible, I could "patent" ideas for things I assume will eventually be created, that I have no ability to create or produce.
Yup, like the idea I had for a phone back in 1989...I called it "MiPhone"...where there were no buttons....just a screen where one could swappy swippy swipe their finger around and move stuff and do stuff...

I thought I had a great "idea"...I should have pursued the thing I think...
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Thats the first time I heard that.
Heard a lot of people moved away from them because of that entire debacle.
It was a big deal. Metallica got tired of having their hard work being freely distributed on the web and they took umbrage and went after Napster in Federal Court. I became a fan.

Many fans objected because although the loved the band, they did not want to pay for the music.

Apparently, the song, "Happy Birthday" is owned by AOL Time Warner, so be careful. They might drop the billions of AOL install disks on your head and crack your brain.

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honestly that does not make any difference to the point he made.

before software licenses you bought something it was yours to modify or destroy as you wanted to.

where would the auto industry be if you could not modify your car?
Paint it, chop it, channel it, chrome plate the body, remove the carpet or chop it up and sell the pieces, it is yours. Absolutely, no problem.

However, you can't copy it and sell those copies. Forgetting just how much work would be required, you cannot manufacture and sell Fords of Corvettes. Nothing has changed.

You do not own the software you purchase, just the right to use it in accordance with the TOS or licence agreement you signed. You can purchase a DVD, but you are not purchasing the content, just using it. Ditto books.
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Hey miketd...I noticed your writing here from CHINA!! I bit off topic but was wondering if you can comment on what YOU see over there with suggestions of China's disregard for the US and other country's intellectual property. We hear all the time in the US stories of BLATANT, uncontrolled copying of copyrighted intellectual and other property in China but what is your experience??

Yup, that's exactly how it is here, pretty much everything you read and hear about it is true.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but in this case, more than just LOIC was used. They also used a new JS ddos tool... Kinda cool, especially, because from what I read, it could easily be used unknowinly by someone. So, that tool is kinda immune from what I read. At least, for now.

Anyone else really like how these people who don't understand the Internet get to make laws about it... >.>

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Anyone hear about the new bill HR 1981 I believe, meant to "protect children" is supposed to mandate that ISPs keep a boat load of info about everything people do online... even credit cards from what I read, but I'm not sure how that'll work with SSL ...?
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That's true...
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Well since we don't actually own anything maybe we should just quit buying things.

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Worse than that. You can sell your car or parts of your car but you cannot sell body parts like kidneys. You can rent your car for pleasure but not your body. So your car has more "rights."

If one of your genes is patented, there is a suggestion that someone now owns you. If you happen to grow a field of corn next to Monsanto and it is cross-pollinated with Monsanto's corn, they might come a knocking and take your corn. That happened.

In most places, you can't even kill yourself or you are breaking the law, but you can put your cat to sleep. You apparently cannot grow corn to feed your family or you run up against the Depart of Commerce.

We are screwed, apparently.

I read a comment that went something like this: You kill Michael Jackson and you get four years in prison. You point a link on your web site to his music and you get five years.
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Well I just realized megaupload was shutdown by the FBI, when I went there to download a BootAnimation, I saw that big notice the FBI put up. NOTICE

Im not shocked that it happened, but im just surprised that it did because it was probably the #1 upload site to upload warez and other files in general (non-warez) and has been among one of the most popular websites in the world. Im actually surprised to see that it actually took megaupload this long for it to get shutdown.

I'd use either megaupload or mediafire when I would need to upload important files to share. Lately I have been using mediafire to upload my files since it doesn't require a code and you don't have to wait to download a file, so im happy my files didn't go to waste.. for the record they weren't warez files as im not into that kind of stuff but they were files such as BootAnimations, Themes, PRL's, Wallpapers, etc.

Also the owners are in some big trouble too, read more in this article http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-shut-down-120119/


(My apologies if a thread was made on this already, but I haven't seen it as this forum is quite big)

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Hello Kaiser17. I merged your new thread with this one already created on the Megaupload legal issues.

My thoughts about it? They were allowing for public stealing of copyrighted material, so after a 24 month gathering of evidence the authorities moved on it.
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Hello Kaiser17. I merged your new thread with this one already created on the Megaupload legal issues.

My thoughts about it? They were allowing for public stealing of copyrighted material, so after a 24 month gathering of evidence the authorities moved on it.
Thanks Frisco for merging it, if I had seen this thread earlier I would have just replied to it instead of making a new one.
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Old January 22nd, 2012, 09:16 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Anyways by quick glance of the posts in this thread to those of you guys that are saying this is a result of SOPA/PIPA, it is not because both laws haven't been passed yet. This is a result of a long investigation by the FBI which has nothing to do with SOPA/PIPA.

However if I remember correctly PIPA will be voted on by the senate on the 24th (2 days from now) but for SOPA there isn't a confirmed date.
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Thanks Frisco for merging it, if I had seen this thread earlier I would have just replied to it instead of making a new one.
You're welcome, but no apology necessary; the merge was to direct you to the discussion here while using your post as another contribution to it.
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